At one stage this was a key defender / 3rd tall defender depth chart Weitering Jones McDonald McGovern Young Marchbank Parks Plowman Kemp Akieu
To say the cupboard is bare is an understatement.
Take your point that Weiterings loss unbalanced us but I felt Collingwood matched us in the midfield, tackling pressure and we probably got exposed on the wings as well with some awkward individual matchups that we didn't get right, along with missing Harry more and falling into the bomb it to Charlie routine.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: northernblue on May 29, 2022, 06:27:20 pm
We looked good when we chipped short EB. The bomb played into Moore, Murphy and Howes hands
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on May 29, 2022, 06:27:49 pm
Walsh gets paid that free 9 times out of 10. Of course the 1 time he doesn't it costs us the game.
Still, proud of the boys, thought we were due for a 10 goal loss when Wetering went down. Pies should've dominated.
Once we had nothing to lose, we showed how we could've played all game if we had Weiters down back.
A lot to like from a game that we never should've been in.
Siren went. It was common sense lol.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on May 29, 2022, 06:30:51 pm
Hate losing to this mob (of course) BUT … don’t think I’ve ever been so buoyed after a loss.
Weitering gone after 9 minutes. Seriously? But we adapted as best we could and never gave up.
It was just one of those games where little things went their way, although their set shots were terrible.
Not sure what can be done about speeding up the goal review. Whenever a team that’s trailing scores a goal in the first minute of a last quarter it invariably sets up a belief and momentum which rumbles up from nowhere. Instead, we had to stand around for 2 minutes while an obvious goal is scrutinized by substandard technology.
Definitely not blaming the umpires but another “must get out of the centre” moment was stripped away by a block in the ruck against De Koenig? Very, very dubious.
Let the Pies have their moment today. I know who I’d rather be on for this season and next.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on May 29, 2022, 06:43:26 pm
Collingwood only looked to have more structure because we didn't. We were way too short through out the game.
Stats show we won the midfield battle inside and outside it's just that we are missing too many KPP players that straightens up a team
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Post by: Baggers on May 29, 2022, 06:55:51 pm
Hard to imagine the Dagpies playing much better. Us? You bet. Simply down on personnel, but not down on spirit, endeavour and effort. The bye has come at an excellent time for us. Pity the Magoos are also not playing next w/e.
Looking forward to the return of a few key players in the back-end of the season.
Don't think we will have lost any admirers.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on May 29, 2022, 07:00:12 pm
Tough to win 5 in a row. Not a Carlton thing...lol. Loss might re-sharpen the focus. A win may not have done that.
That's my bit of rationalisation to make me feel better...lol.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on May 29, 2022, 07:04:29 pm
We're done.
No Weitering, McGovern, McDonald. Our 3 key defenders in rd 1.
No Pittonet who is our best ruck.
No McKay our best key forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on May 29, 2022, 07:05:32 pm
Melbourne lost May yesterday and they capitulated.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on May 29, 2022, 07:10:15 pm
No Weitering, McGovern, McDonald. Our 3 key defenders in rd 1.
No Pittonet who is our best ruck.
No McKay our best key forward.
Richmond had those bad injury issues in 2019. Freshened up the side and they were flying by September. Actually was a blessing.
That's my positive spin...lol.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 29, 2022, 07:22:08 pm
I hate to say this but we were brave given the personnel out. Losing Weiters sucked ass, but our field kicking was as bad as their goal kicking. The pressured us into TO's in the middle of the ground and opened us up too many times. Hate losing to them but to their credit, they didn't let us get "our" game going. I was at the opposite end of the ground to SOS in the last and my daughter and both thought it went through, I thought we won the game. Not to be, we have a break and start again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on May 29, 2022, 07:23:27 pm
Looks like 4-6 weeks for Weits
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Post by: Gointocarlton on May 29, 2022, 07:32:16 pm
Ive kept my powder dry on him to date but Carroll needs to sharpen up (ie quicken) his decision making, he is as slow as an old mole at the minute (by mind and by foot). And I'm yet to see the raking left peg he supposedly has. I get it, he's young and that was the biggest crowd he would have played in front of, but he has to develop the awareness very quickly or he will fall behind.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 29, 2022, 07:33:02 pm
Ive kept my powder dry on him to date but Carroll needs to sharpen up (ie quicken) his decision making, he is as slow as an old mole at the minute (by mind and by foot). And I'm yet to see the raking left peg he supposedly has. I get it, he's young and that was the biggest crowd he would have played in front of, but he has to develop the awareness very quickly or he will fall behind.
Not up to it at the moment.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 29, 2022, 07:37:43 pm
Ive kept my powder dry on him to date but Carroll needs to sharpen up (ie quicken) his decision making, he is as slow as an old mole at the minute (by mind and by foot). And I'm yet to see the raking left peg he supposedly has. I get it, he's young and that was the biggest crowd he would have played in front of, but he has to develop the awareness very quickly or he will fall behind.
Got well beat on the wings imo and it wasn't just Carroll, didn't think Newnes, Cottrell or O'Brien looked sharp enough compared to their opponents ie Sidebottom, J Daicos or Lipinski and Carroll needs more games with finals type pressure like this game was.. Paddy Dow also looked like he was struggling with the intensity...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 29, 2022, 07:43:52 pm
3rd to 5th in the blink of an eye.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on May 29, 2022, 07:56:18 pm
Ive kept my powder dry on him to date but Carroll needs to sharpen up (ie quicken) his decision making, he is as slow as an old mole at the minute (by mind and by foot). And I'm yet to see the raking left peg he supposedly has. I get it, he's young and that was the biggest crowd he would have played in front of, but he has to develop the awareness very quickly or he will fall behind.
Had a few weeks up. Now he performances are heading downwards. Back to the VFL for him for a while. He'll be back.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on May 29, 2022, 08:01:03 pm
Got well beat on the wings imo and it wasn't just Carroll, didn't think Newnes, Cottrell or O'Brien looked sharp enough compared to their opponents ie Sidebottom, J Daicos or Lipinski and Carroll needs more games with finals type pressure like this game was.. Paddy Dow also looked like he was struggling with the intensity...
Dow had 22 possessions, which isn't bad, but it wasn't the 30+ we've been getting from Kennedy. He will probably retain his spot. O'Brien still needs work, but he's getting there. 21 possessions wasn't bad, but wasn't match winning. Our 'bottom' cohort didn't have big days, especially our small forwards. But they do better when we move the ball better. They'll be better when H is back and firing. Also, Ed Curnow will be back soon: he offers something a little different.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on May 29, 2022, 08:02:19 pm
As a Liverpool supporter, today was the tale of two games.
I was much happier with the way Liverpool played because the goal was against the grain and it took a massive goalkeeping performance to win the game for the opposition, and it was disappointing because you can't win games without scoring.
Carlton never really looked like winning that match. It was as bad a 4 quarter performance as I've seen with lots of getting caught playing on, kicking into the man on the mark which is basically unforgivable given the stand rule, and a bit of just never really getting going, yet somehow we almost willed our way to 4 points. Jacks kick was 1 metre left at the end and we win despite how badly we missed the ball at times and fluffed about with it in the corridor.
For the first time all year it looked like the players lost belief after weitering broke down. Collingwood did their homework. They saw what hawthorn did and started with that rather than vice versa, and the absence of weitering made that compound.
Dow. Plucky performance and pleased with his application but playing him means cripps has to play less midfield minutes and we ultimately lose out for it. Kennedy is much more versatile and frankly a better player at this stage. Was pleased to see dow putting on size and he showed what he can be capable but its not enough.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on May 29, 2022, 08:05:00 pm
JC will be fine - he's very young and needs reinforcement. Looks fantastic at VFL level - his body will get bigger and will gain more confidence and more tuition will be fine. To me, he is the type of player that refuses to give the ball away when ball is in hand. Game today probably didnt help and in no way is he ready to be a key cog in midfield.. but a game here and game there to understand what he needs to work on is good for him he is in development mode and will be for next 3-4 years.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonDorotich on May 29, 2022, 08:11:56 pm
Got well beat on the wings imo and it wasn't just Carroll, didn't think Newnes, Cottrell or O'Brien looked sharp enough compared to their opponents ie Sidebottom, J Daicos or Lipinski and Carroll needs more games with finals type pressure like this game was.. Paddy Dow also looked like he was struggling with the intensity...
Carroll and Motlop look like they’re going to have a great future, but need a refresh in the twos, whilst Paddy just needs some more time to get the tempo of AFL, which is difficult first up.
OBrien, Newnes, Plowman & Owies were far too reactive today (Owies much better in the last quarter), often waiting for the ball to come to them rather than meeting the ball by attacking it - their collective reactivity cost us a couple of goals. I’d be trying Tom Williamson on the wing after the bye and I’m hoping that Josh Honey starts finding some form soon.
McKay, Weitering, Pittonet & McGovern out is certainly going to make life difficult for the next 6-8 weeks so we need a credible plan to play our way. I’d be trying Dekoning at CHB, Marchbank in place of Plowman, and perhaps deploying Mirkov in the ruck with Silvagni and I’d also consider Cripps at CHF once Kennedy is back. Its certainly not plan A but we need a workable structure until we can get some soldiers back.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on May 29, 2022, 08:28:30 pm
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DJC Reply #86 – May 28, 2022, 11:53:54 pm
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from: Thryleon on May 28, 2022, 09:14:08 pm Just remember its not just sport its entertainment.
If the afl want a tight competition they'll engineer an outcome they want.
Only if we're all wearing our tinfoil hats :)
I think that the AFL might need some help with their engineering; the results aren't going to plan ...
Well. Look at that. At the end of the round, all of a sudden you have 5 teams vying for top 4, and spots 5 to 10 all with about 2 games separation.
Despite what the free kick count says, we get some inexplicable decisions paid against at key moments and sure enough this won't decide the outcome but it helps. A block in a ruck contest against De koning early in the last quarter giving the pies an easy clearance and they score another goal.
Have a look at how readily we get play on calls against and a few extra holding the ball decisions that just didn't get paid. At least 2 advantage decisions that just weren't to advantage to go with it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: capcom on May 29, 2022, 08:31:12 pm
I was a little disappointed with Motlop and his apparent lapses in concentration. More work on that
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on May 29, 2022, 08:49:52 pm
I just heard Voss's press conference.
Commented on weitering. Suspected its more major than minor. Expecting 5 to 6 weeks with a decision on an operation coming this week.
We should be looking at the conservative option for our rolls Royce defender, and doing whats best for him, and having him out for longer means we find out about the rest and im ok with that. B
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Post by: LP on May 29, 2022, 09:40:27 pm
I was a little disappointed with Motlop and his apparent lapses in concentration. More work on that
Just a kid, but make no mistake he is being carried by the others at the moment, I'd be bringing Honey or moving things around with Philp in to let Fisher spend more time inside F50.
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Post by: LP on May 29, 2022, 09:42:54 pm
Kennedy out had a massive impact today, despite the way the game rolled we may well have won if he was in and fit.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 29, 2022, 09:43:47 pm
Just a kid, but make no mistake he is being carried by the others at the moment, I'd be bringing Honey or moving things around with Philp in to let Fisher spend more time inside F50.
Agree....needs some more VFL time, very promising young player and has had some nice cameo moments but needs some more experience in a few other positions just to learn more about the game and as a few of us discussed needs some more conditioning.
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Post by: LP on May 29, 2022, 09:46:55 pm
Agree....needs some more VFL time, very promising young player and has had some nice cameo moments but needs some more experience in a few other positions just to learn more about the game and as a few of us discussed needs some more conditioning.
Yes, don't get me wrong I like him as a future player but at the moment he is pretty one dimensional, when he's got the footy in time and space he's OK, but being jostled about by the Filth today set him back on his heels and highlighted his shortcomings when we do not have the footy.
Martin will be back next game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 29, 2022, 09:59:01 pm
Kennedy out had a massive impact today, despite the way the game rolled we may well have won if he was in and fit.
We agree again, Kennedy gives us some balance and its a funny thing when you have a deep midfield that if you lose just even one component it has a flow on effect to your other mids and their performance often isnt as good. Thought we won enough ball but didnt have great connection down forward, bombed the ball to Charlie and our skills were down. Collingwood are a decent pressure team, who intercept and tackle well so losing that one component like Kennedy had us just a bit off in the middle as well as not allowing Cripps to spend as much time forward and be a threat to take some pressure of Charlie. Throw losing Weitering into the mix and we were off balance structure wise and forced to play a bit differently. Kennedy back in the team is super important because he makes the system run better..
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Post by: LP on May 29, 2022, 10:04:33 pm
One thing that puzzled me today was why did Weiters try to bump at all, it was a bit of a funny angle to try a bump on from, coming in from that slight angle he could have easily used the fend off and it would have had the same effect by throwing De Goey off balance?
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Post by: LP on May 29, 2022, 10:08:06 pm
I don't get why Cripps isn't being paid many frees for being held, it's like the umpires decide that if he initiates contact then it's his fault, but that is not the rule yet that is the way it seems to be adjudicated!
What is worse, it often costs us a midfield clearance, the opponents often just grab his arm and sling him off the ball or to the ground and it's play on.
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Post by: Gointocarlton on May 29, 2022, 10:21:58 pm
One thing that puzzled me today was why did Weiters try to bump at all, it was a bit of a funny angle to try a bump on from, coming in from that slight angle he could have easily used the fend off and it would have had the same effect by throwing De Goey off balance?
What was he doing that far up the ground, that'll learn him ;D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Inboltswetrust on May 29, 2022, 11:22:05 pm
We need to get rid of the spids- Obrien, Dow, Newnes, Carroll, Motlop, Plowman, Newman. None are up to AFL flag level.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Mantis on May 29, 2022, 11:59:59 pm
This is probably a good loss if that ever exists. Our intensity didn’t match theirs. Our cover on the defensive side of a turn over didn’t match theirs. We exposed a few weak areas to improve on. Forget the injuries. Forget the cattle on the field. Forget the effort to bring the game to an almost win. We lost. Not a bad thing if you learn from the mistakes. We turned the ball over so many times trying to be to cute. Lack of concentration. Big crowd pressure. Something we don’t experience to often. Almost a finals pressure situation. We need to learn to stick to a winning strategy with the stock we have available. We need to do more one percenters. The little acts that count. We miss Kennedy more than any other player on the ground. He is an accountable player that executes all over the ground. Tough, hard and ability that he lacks respect for. I hope he is available next game. I am sad we will loose Weitering for a while. He is another loss. The general in defence. Like he controls the back 50m for us. I hope this gets us more block buster games at the G. We need more big crowd high atmosphere situations to win or fail, for the potential finals experience. In a small way I am glad we lost. Surely we will be hungrier next game. Surely we will be more aggressive and bitter for the game we lost next time we meet the Pies again. This will test Voss and what the entire coaching group stand for. Are we contenders or making up the numbers. Shallow sides would fold like a poor deal and loose 4 of their next 5 games and fall out of the top 8. Genuine sides that need a season to fall into place would find at least 4 wins in their next 5 games. Looking at our next 5 games it is up to how much ticker our players have. Not the cattle on the field. With our current injury list, Voss needs to get into the head space of what it takes to get over the line and win. We were close, but no chocolates. Similar to how we have denied other clubs the 4 points so far this season. Close wins. Close losses. The question is how do we respond with what comes next. We didn’t really give it all out there today. We tried to be cute over being brutal. We took risks at the wrong moment. We failed to play hide risk and high reward football when it counts. I can only put that down to a few things.
Not injuries and a lack of top grade players on the field. Not a poor match up of players. Not a game plan that doesn’t work. A simple lack of big stage experience for too many kids trying to play the game of experienced men. Sure they made mistakes. Sure they all failed to get the end result that supporters want. They all rarely get to play big stage football. They all lack finals experience. They are all poorly experienced at winning the close games, when you don’t get it your own way. Learn. Recover. Be ready for the next contest. Just remember to learn and remember from past efforts. Some of the efforts today were weak. Body language showed me this. Poor manning a mark and letting an opponent play on without any effort. Avoiding a tackle because they might break through the lines even if I do something. Not checking small forwards free in their forward 50m.
They didn’t win this game. We unfortunately gave a good effort, but let this slip through our hands. Hence why we had so many holding free kicks paid against us in frustration. It is a small possibility we thought this win was penciled in. Please guys. There is no sure thing but death and taxes. Still happy with the close result and the effort in the last quarter. No ruthless enough yet. Then again you can’t expect that from the kids on the field just yet. Keep developing the cattle you have Voss. I am convinced you are doing well with what you have. It will fall into place eventually.
Imagine Harry, Weitering un-injured, Kennedy, The Gov, and Pits in the ruck. Would we have won? Sure we probably would have. Would it be better for the club? Probably not to be honest. Our depth isn’t the depth that the Melbourne football club has. They loose games with a few key players out and they have high quality and rated talent. We need to develop the kids before the guns are back in the squad. This is what real rebuild is all about. This is where the hard work starts. How do you create serviceable players into genuine players?
Coming up against the Bombers might actually be a challenge. Once again a side that has nothing to loose and everything to gain. We can’t play other sides into form. We need to make their result a contest. Something we lacked today. Not completely but we did look lost at times and no idea what to do next. The pressure was put on our players. The heat was turned up to high. Can we bring the pressure on next game to totally fry the Bombers? We will see next game. Not by available cattle on the field. By a will to step up and get the job done. Before this round, I would have predicted a 40 points loss to the Scum. After this week, we need to get over the line. They are crap. Seriously crap. However even a crap side has the ball bounce their way once in a while. Do what it takes guys. Let me state, what ever it takes please.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: capcom on May 30, 2022, 07:04:40 am
Agree....needs some more VFL time, very promising young player and has had some nice cameo moments but needs some more experience in a few other positions just to learn more about the game and as a few of us discussed needs some more conditioning.
It's where we're placed. Heaps of promise and far off from deserting the kid. I was a strong advocate for recruiting him and nothing has changed. A two game break will do him the world of good as it will for the group.
But, FFS, we could do with a break on the injury side of the ledger. And I'm totally in to tall recruits. We don't need any more smalls
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on May 30, 2022, 07:56:07 am
Motlop will probably go back to the VFL and make way for Martin (If he got through the game OK) He'll have learnt a thing or two playing at that higher level and some things to work on will have been explained to him. He can try out his 'new' tricks with a little less pressure. ;) Long term he'll be fine. He has the skills...and a bit of a 'strut', so he doesn't lack confidence.
One of the things about injuries is that they throw extra pressure on those fringe players. When a side is close to full strength those players can play to their strengths due to the support around them. When that support is lost through injury they then have to step up and take a bit of extra responsibility, sometimes above their capabilities. That's when they're exposed.
Where do we stand at the moment. We probably need to win four more games to make the finals. We should do that but, but the reality is we're probably in the 6th to 8th range rather than a top 4 side...even at full strength. Next year though.... ;) ;D
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Post by: cookie2 on May 30, 2022, 08:51:24 am
Very disappointed to lose that but cheered by the way we fought back and nearly pinched it. We have developed a very tough professional edge already under Vossy and I now look forward with great optimism. Maybe no flag this year but I'm confident it is now very much on the horizon.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blueboys_1 on May 30, 2022, 09:31:23 am
I hate to say this but we were brave given the personnel out. Losing Weiters sucked ass, but our field kicking was as bad as their goal kicking. The pressured us into TO's in the middle of the ground and opened us up too many times. Hate losing to them but to their credit, they didn't let us get "our" game going. I was at the opposite end of the ground to SOS in the last and my daughter and both thought it went through, I thought we won the game. Not to be, we have a break and start again.
Was on the wing AFL members stand and from my angle and all the other Carlton supporters it was a goal. We went up as one celebrating only for the pies supporters telling us it was a point. In true Maxwell Smart style I said missed it by that much.
And from my vantage point I could see Sidebottom on his own so many times. Cost us at least 2 or 3 goals. Angry about that as even Saad would not go to him as he was moving into out defence line.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blueboys_1 on May 30, 2022, 09:47:34 am
I don't get why Cripps isn't being paid many frees for being held, it's like the umpires decide that if he initiates contact then it's his fault, but that is not the rule yet that is the way it seems to be adjudicated!
What is worse, it often costs us a midfield clearance, the opponents often just grab his arm and sling him off the ball or to the ground and it's play on.
Much like the free kick last week to Mills against Cripps. He ran straight at Cripps without looking at the ball and tackled him and gets a free kick for holding against Cripps. WTF. Swans went on to score a goal from that free kick.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: tonyo on May 30, 2022, 09:59:45 am
Sad we missed out on the 4 points, but in reality, it would have been a steal of a win. However, this may be one of those losses that teaches us many things:
(1) When we play predictable down-the-line football, we have almost no chance of scoring. The two patches of the game where we flipped the lever and ran hard through the middle, we ran all over them. The same thing happened in our fade-outs against WB, Haw and PA. Better off playing some tempo footy rather than bombing it out of there.
(2) We have the ability to get up off the canvas, which I have not seen for many a year. The fighting spirit in the second and fourth quarters was fantastic - it's a pity about the third quarter in between. Take home message is we can now turn things around very quickly and should never consider a game out of reach.
(3) Some of our younger brigade were a bit exposed, but that is not a criticism of them. Over the next 4 weeks while we are down on some big names due to injury, I think we should be going back to more experienced players like Martin, Williamson etc for the outside roles
(4) We need to free up Adam Saad more - his run and carry was the catalyst for the second quarter turnaround, and he did the same thing in the last.
(5) In the short term, I would definitely try Brodie Kemp in the forward 50 just to provide some aerial competition - too many times we found Owies/Durdin/Motlop trying to outmark much bigger competition and losing. It also meant we were pushing De Koning into the forward line for more time than normal, and then we got smashed in the ruck.
(6) I really hope there is a 195cm diamond in the MSD who can start playing straight away. We have Wright, Lynch, Lobb/Tabberner, King over the next 4 games who would be licking their lips about a Weitering-free forward 50..
The next 4 games will be the defining period for our 2022 season. Win 2 of them, and with troops starting to return, we will be well in the hunt.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blueboys_1 on May 30, 2022, 10:42:19 am
From my perspective it was a great game to watch. The atmosphere was electric especially in the last 10 mins or so and when SOS almost kicked that goal I was jumping up and down with excitement only to be told it was a point.
After these last two years with COVID and not been able to see any football live to be at the MCG with a big crowd against the old enemy it was just unbelievable.
We lost but I was so proud of the boys for sticking to it to almost pull off the win.
Pies played well and maybe with Weitering and Harry we could of won it.
Yesterday I was pretty happy with the performance and the tram ride back into the city there was a lot of banter between both supporters groups. You could see that it meant so much to so many people that football was back in a big way at the MCG between two big clubs. The rivalry the passion the stick it up them mentality which I have not felt for so long was there yesterday.
Today I feeling a little flat, we should of won it, so close yet so far. But I'm still proud of out boys and I can see the light at the end of tunnel after 20 years of darkness. We may not make the top 4, finals yes I would say, but boy there are a few teams that will be looking over their shoulder at us, because when we get our full team back look out were coming for you.
GO BLUES
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 30, 2022, 12:40:06 pm
Melbourne lost May yesterday and they capitulated.
Its funny how despite all our injuries last year, it was Teagues fault.
We have next to none at the start of this year, we are top 4.
We start having some more and suddenly standards drop again. What happened to Melbourne should be the gold star example of "its not the coach".
I'm happy with Voss and what he has been able to do. I'm happier that we've had a good run with our perennially injured players Charlie, Doc....and fingers crossed on Marchbank.
Are we a top 4 side? Depends on our injuries.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: tonyo on May 30, 2022, 01:08:57 pm
You could say the same about any side in the 8 at the moment. In most years, the Premier team has a pretty decent run with injuries, certainly at the business end of the season.
Fingers crossed, we've copped our share, so when we get a few back, the scales of fair/unfair tip a bit back our way and we have a better run in the second half.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 30, 2022, 01:21:38 pm
Not sure about May missing being the reason Melbourne lost, they were due like us and Freo have a very decent defense with size which is underated IMO. Langdon and McDonald missing also messed with their structure and both us and the Dees were ripe to be knocked over...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 30, 2022, 01:32:47 pm
Not sure about May missing being the reason Melbourne lost, they were due like us and Freo have a very decent defense with size which is underated IMO. Langdon and McDonald missing also messed with their structure and both us and the Dees were ripe to be knocked over...
13 of the last 14 goals went to Freo, on the MCG....and its just a coincidence it happened in the same game that May went down?
Please.
Its not simply the goals he stops. Its not simply the structure he provides Its also about the confidence he gives the rest of the time ......and the dent in confidence that goes through the group when he goes down.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 30, 2022, 01:50:03 pm
13 of the last 14 goals went to Freo, on the MCG....and its just a coincidence it happened in the same game that May went down?
Please.
Its not simply the goals he stops. Its not simply the structure he provides Its also about the confidence he gives the rest of the time ......and the dent in confidence that goes through the group when he goes down.
You are under selling Freo a bit and how they matchup, Dees also had key players like Salem and Harmes out plus Freo have a good ruck setup with Darcy and Lobb to match Gawn and Jackson. Darcy beat Gawn and that had nothing to do with May, Aish kept Oliver quiet in the 2nd half after he dominated early, Petracca was held to 10 possies and was putrid. Their defense has real size and strength and they have suitable matchups like Ryan for problem players like Fritsch that we dont. They won by a decent margin and while I take your point May missing unbalanced Melbourne I dont think he is worth 6-7 goals and that Freos' ability to match the Dees strengths won them the game...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 30, 2022, 02:14:11 pm
You are under selling Freo a bit and how they matchup, Dees also had key players like Salem and Harmes out plus Freo have a good ruck setup with Darcy and Lobb to match Gawn and Jackson. Darcy beat Gawn and that had nothing to do with May, Aish kept Oliver quiet in the 2nd half after he dominated early, Petracca was held to 10 possies and was putrid. Their defense has real size and strength and they have suitable matchups like Ryan for problem players like Fritsch that we dont. They won by a decent margin and while I take your point May missing unbalanced Melbourne I dont think he is worth 6-7 goals and that Freos' ability to match the Dees strengths won them the game...
I'm not underselling Freo. You are overselling them.
Sure, good side. Sit in top 4. Not a 13 out of 14 goal better side though. Dees were infront when May went down. Kicked the next 3 or so goals, then fell in a heap.
Gawn and Jackson were voted best ruck duo in the league. So Freo matched, or even beat them. Great. Did they beat them by 7 goals because of it? No.
If freo win by 2 goals, nobody says anything. Its the way freo won, and the inability of the dees to stop them is why this is about May.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on May 30, 2022, 02:30:10 pm
Its funny how despite all our injuries last year, it was Teagues fault.
We have next to none at the start of this year, we are top 4.
We start having some more and suddenly standards drop again. What happened to Melbourne should be the gold star example of "its not the coach".
I'm happy with Voss and what he has been able to do. I'm happier that we've had a good run with our perennially injured players Charlie, Doc....and fingers crossed on Marchbank.
Are we a top 4 side? Depends on our injuries.
Our injuries are worse this year .
Take May, Lever, Gawn and Weiderman out of Melbourne and see how they would go.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 30, 2022, 02:37:21 pm
I'm not underselling Freo. You are overselling them.
Sure, good side. Sit in top 4. Not a 13 out of 14 goal better side though. Dees were infront when May went down. Kicked the next 3 or so goals, then fell in a heap.
Gawn and Jackson were voted best ruck duo in the league. So Freo matched, or even beat them. Great. Did they beat them by 7 goals because of it? No.
If freo win by 2 goals, nobody says anything. Its the way freo won, and the inability of the dees to stop them is why this is about May.
You keep Gawn, Petracca and Oliver(after half time) to fair games only you beat Melbourne imo.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on May 30, 2022, 03:07:57 pm
Fark! Been to two games this year....Freo over here and flew over for yesterday....and we've lost them both. Been to two Freo games this year, including Saturday, and they've won them both.
My first Blues v Pies experience live and despite the result, it was worth the trip. Like most, when Weitering went down I thought we'd be hammered. But we rallied in both the second and last quarters and nearly pinched it. It came of the back of superb games from Walsh, Cerra, Hewett and Saad...and a lift from Crippa in the last quarter and a bit too. Saad was magnificent IMO and just love the way he backs himself in.
Few points from observations at the game:
1. Not sure who was on Sidebottom in the 3rd quarter but nobody would go near him. At one point I saw Cottrell screaming at team mates to man up so could only assume he wasn't on him at that point but might've gone onto him in the last and definitely quelled his influence. But he did all the damage in the 3rd. 2. Jack Carroll had a stinker for sure but it's his 4th game and doubt he's played a game like that before with the speed, pressure and crowd noise. He got caught a couple of times and panicked. He's normally got a good kick on him but just couldn't find it yesterday. 3. Saw a couple of times just off the ball where Motlop just stopped and didn't chase when he could've....it was one of the reasons he was recruited...his offensive pressure....he'll need to get onto that before it becomes a bad habit. 4. Owies was quiet for most of the day but, like Durdin, they bring the forward pressure and chipped in for handy goals. Durdin's pace is fantastic. 5. Sitting behind the goals and saw Stocker give it to Ginnivan quite a few times....love the way he goes about it. His kicking can let him down at times but he's got that mongrel in him that we don't really have from any other small/medium defenders. Ginnivan got one of those soft high tackle frees early on but he looked a bit gun-shy knowing Stocker was trying to line him up. 6. Dow got quite a bit of the footy but there must be a distinct difference between VFL and AFL because he didn't get any time and decision making and kicking were poor. If Kennedy is right in a couple of weeks, I'm not sure he holds his spot.
We are truly cursed on the injury front. As others have suggested, we can only hope to pinch a few games in the next 5-6 weeks to try and shore up a spot in the finals and then hope like hell that the likes of McKay, Weitering, Pittonet, Marchbank/McGovern, Williams etc are back in the last few weeks of the season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on May 30, 2022, 03:12:00 pm
At the G on Saturday and I'd say Longmuir got one up on Goodwin on the day. He shifted players around and it seemed to catch Melbourne off guard after half time. Fremantle's pace looked like it troubled Melbourne a bit. Lobb will likely never play a game like that again so that was a major factor on the day.
But put May, Langon and Salem back in that side and it's probably a loss they needed to have to just reset and go again. Hopefully they can pound Collingwood in a couple of weeks time and bring them back to earth.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: RiverRat on May 30, 2022, 04:31:01 pm
Sitting behind the goals and saw Stocker give it to Ginnivan quite a few times....love the way he goes about it. His kicking can let him down at times but he's got that mongrel in him that we don't really have from any other small/medium defenders.
It's good that Stocker has the confidence to use his left foot but he seems to use it much more often than his current skill level suggests that he should. Also, for a player who can be such a good kick with his right foot, he fails to deliver too often and he needs to execute more consistently.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 30, 2022, 04:43:30 pm
It's good that Stocker has the confidence to use his left foot but he seems to use it much more often than his current skill level suggests that he should. Also, for a player who can be such a good kick with his right foot, he fails to deliver too often and he needs to execute more consistently.
Bit of a lazy left foot at times and misses targets, rest of his game is good but those lazy kicks can be costly.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on May 30, 2022, 04:52:12 pm
Just like Fisher's one in the 3rd quarter.....terrible turnover that cost a goal. His kicking in the last month or so has been a big reason for our wins but that one yesterday was a shocker...and on his natural foot too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 30, 2022, 05:08:36 pm
At one stage last year we could field a team of 18 players who were injured (and maybe even a couple on the bench).
Now we haven't got to that this year, but perhaps a higher calibre of player is injured? Or at least in areas harder to cover....perhaps....but pretty even.
Biggest ones... Mckay this year = Charlie last year Pittonet was injured a bit last year, as was TDK, hence why Jack got a run last year. Just Pittonet this year *touch wood* Docherty last year, but not this year. Cripps last year but not this year. Weitering this year has no parallel last year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 30, 2022, 05:39:48 pm
Fark! Been to two games this year....Freo over here and flew over for yesterday....and we've lost them both. Been to two Freo games this year, including Saturday, and they've won them both.
My first Blues v Pies experience live and despite the result, it was worth the trip. Like most, when Weitering went down I thought we'd be hammered. But we rallied in both the second and last quarters and nearly pinched it. It came of the back of superb games from Walsh, Cerra, Hewett and Saad...and a lift from Crippa in the last quarter and a bit too. Saad was magnificent IMO and just love the way he backs himself in.
Few points from observations at the game:
1. Not sure who was on Sidebottom in the 3rd quarter but nobody would go near him. At one point I saw Cottrell screaming at team mates to man up so could only assume he wasn't on him at that point but might've gone onto him in the last and definitely quelled his influence. But he did all the damage in the 3rd. 2. Jack Carroll had a stinker for sure but it's his 4th game and doubt he's played a game like that before with the speed, pressure and crowd noise. He got caught a couple of times and panicked. He's normally got a good kick on him but just couldn't find it yesterday. 3. Saw a couple of times just off the ball where Motlop just stopped and didn't chase when he could've....it was one of the reasons he was recruited...his offensive pressure....he'll need to get onto that before it becomes a bad habit. 4. Owies was quiet for most of the day but, like Durdin, they bring the forward pressure and chipped in for handy goals. Durdin's pace is fantastic. 5. Sitting behind the goals and saw Stocker give it to Ginnivan quite a few times....love the way he goes about it. His kicking can let him down at times but he's got that mongrel in him that we don't really have from any other small/medium defenders. Ginnivan got one of those soft high tackle frees early on but he looked a bit gun-shy knowing Stocker was trying to line him up. 6. Dow got quite a bit of the footy but there must be a distinct difference between VFL and AFL because he didn't get any time and decision making and kicking were poor. If Kennedy is right in a couple of weeks, I'm not sure he holds his spot.
We are truly cursed on the injury front. As others have suggested, we can only hope to pinch a few games in the next 5-6 weeks to try and shore up a spot in the finals and then hope like hell that the likes of McKay, Weitering, Pittonet, Marchbank/McGovern, Williams etc are back in the last few weeks of the season.
You and me are the jinxs Surfie, yesterday was my first game. Im not going anymore just in case.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BlackRooster on May 30, 2022, 07:37:08 pm
I was at the game yesterday, we seemed to be a little nervous/ star struck at times. Not sure if it was the large crowd or that the players started thinking we cannot afford to lose this game instead of trying to win. we started to look for leadings players in the last (which we did not seem to do for the first 3 qtrs). Anyway, I see this a a positive, last year we would of been rolled by 35 to 40 but we kept coming. A defender, a defender, my membership for a defender :)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on May 30, 2022, 08:01:13 pm
Cottrell was playing on the same wing as sidebottom but he was flooding back into the undermanned defence obviously by instruction.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on May 30, 2022, 08:11:23 pm
Its funny how despite all our injuries last year, it was Teagues fault.
We have next to none at the start of this year, we are top 4.
We start having some more and suddenly standards drop again. What happened to Melbourne should be the gold star example of "its not the coach".
I'm happy with Voss and what he has been able to do. I'm happier that we've had a good run with our perennially injured players Charlie, Doc....and fingers crossed on Marchbank.
Are we a top 4 side? Depends on our injuries.
I dont buy into Teague being a root cause of issues last year, but we are playing much better footy, have had a bout of covid go through the team, and have utilised as many players so far this season, as we have any other year we have been riddled with injuries.
Not sure that its even worth discussing, and Teague had the benefit of Liam Jones in All Australian Form for the whole season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Blue Moon on June 01, 2022, 02:32:21 pm
A disappointing result. Could have won it in the end but probably didn't deserve it. It was a pity the umpires didn't pay the free to Walsh. It would have led to the mass suicide of Collingwood supporters and I would have liked to see that, especially after they went the early crow at the twenty minute mark of the last quarter. While the free kick was probably there I would have thought it was pretty soft and it would have been one of those free kicks that when given frustrates most supporters. I said last week that Collingwood depends on their midfield and when Weitering went down it meant that De Konning had to play down back and meant that Cripps had to move into a followers position rather than his bull at the contest position. Which in turn let Collingwood do better at the contest. The end of the second quarter and the end of the last quarter showed that Carlton at its best is as good as anybody. The lack of key personel means that other players are getting an opportunity. Injuries were a big part of Teagues downfall but I think we have more depth this year and Voss has clearly got the playing group playing with more confidence and belief. While it would be good to have Martin, Kennedy, Williams, McKay, Pittonet, McGovern/Marchbank and Cuningham, and it would be good not to lose Weitering midway through the first quarter, the fact that the players fought it out when in the past they probably would have packed up and we would have lost by five plus goals. I have been watching the tennis and they have a stat called unforced errors. The amount of unforced errors Carlton makes each week is appalling. If you can't pass the ball to your team mate then you don't have a game plan. What you have is a group of individuals trying to win on ability allone. Silvagni playing on when he wasn't clear, Carrol being run down and playing when he was out of bounds, poor kicks, poor decsions and hand passing to team mates when they are under pressure is our biggest problem. It cast us four or five goals against Collingwood plus hundreds of meters gained as well as momentum, particularly in the last quarter when we lost the ball on the wing just as we were getting on top. It is a long time since Carlton improved in the second half of the season. This is the challenge.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LygonStreetLimbo on June 05, 2022, 10:31:02 pm
As good as Charlie is, when he is the only tall forward target and we predictably bomb it long to him he gets 2 or 3 opponents. What if we kick to empty space in the forward line where our speedy small forwards have a chance to run onto it and share it around?