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Title: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: crashlander on June 15, 2022, 05:09:42 pm
All ready.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 16, 2022, 09:55:54 pm
Cant have goaless qtrs and expect to wim. Cant play dry weather footy when its pissing down. All things considering, the defence was good. H eventually played virtually played a lone hand up fwd, smalls were non existent.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: townsendcalling on June 16, 2022, 09:57:08 pm
See you on a dry track with a reasonably full squad Tigers..... you won today, but you ain't that good!!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on June 16, 2022, 09:58:40 pm
We were always up against it with everything working against us.
Tigers no injuries. Us plenty. Rain helping tigers. More injuries to us in-game. Umpiring was horrible Scoreless first quarter.
.....and still we were in it up to our teeth near the end. Had Newnes' kick not been touched, it would've been 3 points with us having all the momentum.
Ultimately, it wasn't to be.....but we didn't lose many fans from tonight. Hopefully we can get some key defenders back quicksmart, otherwise there will be a few more honourable losses in our near future.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 16, 2022, 10:02:36 pm
Undermanned, we have more lighter bodies that prefer a dry track and that's in part due to our injuries. Bad luck again struck with S. Durdin getting injured too...our luck has to turn soon. Just have to battle on until we get more of our senior troops back on the park...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: laj on June 16, 2022, 10:03:01 pm
That overturned goal and the goal that resulted from that to them was just a mental crusher. From "3pts down" I reckon we win from there with the momentum. Unfortunately it crushed our momentum instead.
Still you can give a side 6 goals to nothing start in 45 minutes and expect to win. Just not switched on enough tonight. To many mistakes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on June 16, 2022, 10:03:31 pm
We did ok but should have done better coaches and players should be disappointed. Didn't play conditions well.. the number of fumbles, turn overs and slipping was comical and still almost won the game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: shawny on June 16, 2022, 10:05:13 pm
Lost the 4 points tonight but never gave up and that score review was an absolute disgrace that fking hurt us badly as it was a 11 point turnaround.
He’s hand was moving before the ball went past us.
Umpiring was tilted there way for the whole night.
All that aside we are a serious team guys and when we have a full list which may not even be this year we will be contending at the pointy end for many years.
Chin up and look at the bigger picture cause we are going to have many years in the flag window gents.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: madbluboy on June 16, 2022, 10:07:12 pm
That overturned goal and the goal that resulted from that to them was just a mental crusher. From "3pts down" I reckon we win from there with the momentum. Unfortunately it crushed our momentum instead.
Still you can give a side 6 goals to nothing start in 45 minutes and expect to win. Just not switched on enough tonight. To many mistakes.
Ran to the dunny thinking we were 3 points down. Came back and we were 14 down lol.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Mav on June 16, 2022, 10:09:39 pm
The overturning of Newnes goal turned the game. We would have been only 3 points behind. Instead we ended up 15 points down soon after. There is NO WAY the decision could have been overturned on that video review. The only hand that was moving was the left hand and it wasn’t in line with the flight of the ball. IMO, the video umpire was influenced by a concerted campaign by the Richmond players to claim it was touched, including signalling touched to the bench and refusing to set up for the bounce. The video umpire obviously decided that they because they were so adamant, it must have been touched and he would be hammered if he didn’t overturn it.
Jason Dunstall went straight to it after the game and noted there was no way on the replays shown that it could be overturned. He said he assumed that what was shown was what the umpire saw and he said that they believed that it was. He noted also that Broad’s hands, both of them, were moving before the ball went past his hands as well as after, so there was no way it could be concluded conclusively that it was touched.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 16, 2022, 10:10:01 pm
We do have to learn to kick the ball long more when the conditions are wet and heavier. Too many short dinky kicks and handballs in traffic just gives easy turnovers in the wet.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on June 16, 2022, 10:11:28 pm
Can't beat 21 with 18.
I called it before the game the afl didn't want us winning today.
Theres 4 points between 10th and top 4.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: laj on June 16, 2022, 10:12:18 pm
That overturned goal and the goal that resulted from that to them was just a mental crusher. From "3pts down" I reckon we win from there with the momentum. Unfortunately it crushed our momentum instead.
Still you can give a side 6 goals to nothing start in 45 minutes and expect to win. Just not switched on enough tonight. To many mistakes.
Simply unable to play in the rain, that's on the coaches. We couldnt beat an egg in the wet, must be addressed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Mav on June 16, 2022, 10:15:27 pm
Oh well, at least Durdin has made $70,000 for 2 weeks work if he ends up being cut at the end of the year without playing again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on June 16, 2022, 10:17:03 pm
Players are getting smart and flicking their fingers during smoother attempts to muddy the waters, it's just another way to cheat!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: laj on June 16, 2022, 10:27:08 pm
Just watched that score review again. Those fingers were seriously wobbling before the ball got to his hand.
Fair chance it cost us the game. How much do those idiots get paid in the Arc again?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: shawny on June 16, 2022, 10:27:58 pm
Injuries have crueled us and we are close to the point where is it worth picking a team that can be competitive or tank for a few weeks by playing a reserve team and resting every one of our A graders and anyone that has any slight niggle and put them in cotton wool till we have soldiers returning. We just can’t take a trick.
Apparently Durden has a knee and Martin re injured his calf so 2 more to the list after tonight’s game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Micky0 on June 16, 2022, 10:29:48 pm
I called it before the game the afl didn't want us winning today.
Theres 4 points between 10th and top 4.
I do not believe there are rigged games
BUT I do believe some teams use dirty tactics to sway the umpiring - Richmond and Cats - every time arms in the air looking at the umpires in disbelief whether it’s a close call or not. Every time complaining to them after every opportunity
That makes a difference! I hate seeing it but they do it all the time
Also the exaggerated throw the head back etc - staging. Bet we won’t see that Prick reiwoldt fined for it tho!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LoveNavy on June 16, 2022, 10:38:23 pm
Very poor start. Fumbles, overuse, and getting late to contests. When H got his mojo, I thought we were a chance against the odds. Our mids did well to take back the CPs.
The 2 touched calls and some bs umping calls put it out of reach.
Great to see some lower lights shining. Hats off to Boyd, tall Durdin, Young, LoB to name a few.
TDK is thriving beyond my expectations. Saad played well for a guy who had his eye poked out.
Doc is the definition of courage. Doc is the definition of commitment.
Disappointing result but buoyed by the performance. Especially after half time. We're almost there.....finally
Our Injuries. Well that's the definition of cruelty. Well wishes to the half of the squad in recovery mode.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: laj on June 16, 2022, 10:44:01 pm
Cant have goaless qtrs and expect to wim. Cant play dry weather footy when its pissing down. All things considering, the defence was good. H eventually played virtually played a lone hand up fwd, smalls were non existent.
Teague was in the opposing box. We thought we'd make him feel right at home with a zero to 6 goal first 45 minutes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on June 16, 2022, 10:56:31 pm
LOB + Fisher - zero tackles Shai Bolton 3
Conditional Players
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Micky0 on June 16, 2022, 11:05:59 pm
IMO, the video umpire was influenced by a concerted campaign by the Richmond players to claim it was touched, including signalling touched to the bench and refusing to set up for the bounce. The video umpire obviously decided that they because they were so adamant, it must have been touched and he would be hammered if he didn’t overturn it.
Interesting take. Reminds me of the West Indies bowlers in the 80’s. They all go up in appeal and run off to the change rooms. Umpire thinks, “oh well, must be out. Game over lads.”
The score review process has improved but that incident shows it still needs refining.
There was no discernible touch on the ball so I’m not sure how they called it a point.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: rocky on June 17, 2022, 02:46:51 am
Disappointed but we didn't play that badly I thought. Richmond played the kamikazee style from the get go and it seemed to me we were slow to react. Seriously some of their hacks forward just found blokes just sitting there. Is that skill or luck? Not unhappy with our form just disappointed. Think we can beat Freo next week under the roof. Postscript: Boyd seems seems to be travelling ok at the moment. Maybe early impressions were premature?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 17, 2022, 06:05:17 am
Very poor start. Fumbles, overuse, and getting late to contests. When H got his mojo, I thought we were a chance against the odds. Our mids did well to take back the CPs.
The 2 touched calls and some bs umping calls put it out of reach.
Great to see some lower lights shining. Hats off to Boyd, tall Durdin, Young, LoB to name a few.
TDK is thriving beyond my expectations. Saad played well for a guy who had his eye poked out.
Doc is the definition of courage. Doc is the definition of commitment.
Disappointing result but buoyed by the performance. Especially after half time. We're almost there.....finally
Our Injuries. Well that's the definition of cruelty. Well wishes to the half of the squad in recovery mode.
Great summation
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 17, 2022, 06:08:06 am
Kennedy had 0 also. They had 4 with zero, so did we, you get that in games. I thought LOB was pretty good int he conditions.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 17, 2022, 06:19:07 am
Seems like the first time in ages (I may be wrong) that we have lost the I50 count, convincingly I might add at 76 to 51. We can pick out umpiring calls if we like but with those sorts of numbers and a goaless 1 qtr and a bit, we were lucky to only lose by 15.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 17, 2022, 06:21:34 am
Disappointed but we didn't play that badly I thought. Richmond played the kamikazee style from the get go and it seemed to me we were slow to react. Seriously some of their hacks forward just found blokes just sitting there. Is that skill or luck? Not unhappy with our form just disappointed. Think we can beat Freo next week under the roof. Postscript: Boyd seems seems to be travelling ok at the moment. Maybe early impressions were premature?
Hack kicks fwd go to the man in front more often than not and they exploited this tactic all night long. Sure some were assy but they kept doing it. I just found it extremely frustrating watching us play in the wet like we did.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on June 17, 2022, 06:35:36 am
Kennedy had 0 also. They had 4 with zero, so did we, you get that in games. I thought LOB was pretty good int he conditions.
Yes, O’Brien’s defensive efforts against much larger opponents saved several goals. He worked hard both ways and you don’t have to tackle to provide defensive pressure.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Lods on June 17, 2022, 07:26:36 am
That was pretty bizarre when you think about it.
We went into the game thinking we'd have real problems in defence and if we won it would be because of a better attack and midfield. What happened was the opposite. Our forwards and midfield were the problem and the defence stood up pretty well. Lynch and Riewoldt got 5 between them which was an OK effort but not the dominance we thought might occur. A lot of that was due to the assistance our tall defenders received from the smaller back...and yes conditions were also a help.
I think we probably saw glimpses of what our selectors see in Boyd. The lad brings effort and when he has time to execute his foot is a bit of a weapon.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: BluePhantom on June 17, 2022, 07:49:22 am
What does it mean to umpire a game? /ˈʌm.paɪr/ uk. /ˈʌm.paɪər/ a person who is present at a sports competition in order to make certain that the rules of that particular game are obeyed and to judge if particular actions are acceptable.
It seems in the AFL the Umpires can adjudge decisions unfairly and have a bias towards a particular team. The AFL builds up these Thursday night blockbuster games so they should select or tell the umpires to be fair and reasonable. Whether this is real or perceived is another thing but umpires should not become the centre of the conversation after a game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: blueday on June 17, 2022, 08:17:12 am
I am still very upset about last night, we got completely screwed. Holding the ball, hanging onto players, if Harry got the free kicks Lynch gets he kick 150 a year. The two goal line decisions were exactly 180 flips Docherty's cannot be overturned as there is not enough evidence, fair enough, then the second one must be the same?
The Tigers time is just about done, they end will likely come fast for them, eight players over 30 to none last night.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: madbluboy on June 17, 2022, 08:59:46 am
If Pittonet was playing they would have had to play Soldo which would have changed the entire match.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Lods on June 17, 2022, 09:13:25 am
So if you're close to an opposition player who is about to snap for goal don't forget your "Jazz hands" ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwCUE9BAU6M
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: shawny on June 17, 2022, 09:14:44 am
I lot on here were adamant after seeing Boyd for a grand total of 2 games that he was a dud and made no sense why he was being picked in any capacity.
I trust those same posters may have changed their mind as this kid can play. He is tough goes hard and has a beautiful field kick on both sides and I would say that's the point of difference why he is getting a game over Stocker who can be a little iffy by foot.
These injuries as bad as they are for us has allowed some of the kids to fast track their development. Blokes like Cottrell, LOB, Boyd, Young TDK to name a few.
Maybe these injuries may be a small blessing in the bigger picture, our list has not appeared this deep for decades.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on June 17, 2022, 09:16:50 am
Umps screwed us a bit but we didn't play to the conditions that well imo and the Tiggers took full advantage. We played out the game well and nearly pinched it and hopefully the lessons were learned.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Lods on June 17, 2022, 09:21:01 am
One of the worst umpiring decisions last night was when one of our players ( I think it was Cripps) was penalsied 50m for not handing the ball back straight away. I'm not sure how he could have done that as the Richmond player was walking back to take his kick with his back turned.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: dodge on June 17, 2022, 09:30:45 am
Nauseating - the in game commentary. I nearly stopped watching because of it. I wonder if it was Doggies v Tigs whether I would have noticed so much (probably not, because I wouldn't be invested and it would be just on in the background).
Blind Freddy could see that we were trying to play dry weather footy when it seemed to be quite heavy rain - probably not the way to go.
As others have mentioned, conditions suited Richmond, particularly when it was raining. We were much better when it wasn't raining.
We held up pretty well considering our 'outs' -maybe our midfield has been worked out by the opposition, so don't have the freedoms that they had earlier in the season.
There is a tough run home - 5 teams in the 8 + Pies, players coming back for WC, we struggle against Giants. If we make the finals, we will definitely deserve it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on June 17, 2022, 09:53:28 am
That first qtr and a half was a real throwback to former years. The toughness at the contest and hunger for the contest was absent. And it cost us the game. This habit of a qtr or two of allowing the opposition to dictate terms and strangle our strengths will undermine success. We should know and be prepared for good oppositions, which are well coached, to come at our strengths/expose our weaknesses, and I have no doubt we are... but it aint working. The first qtr and a half was undisciplined and just not smart in the conditions.
Thank the gods our group has a bona fide 'never surrender' embedded attitude. Great foundations.
Holding the Tiggers to what could have been a losing score (11.15), after 76 inside 50s, talks to the Herculean efforts from our defense... especially Doc, Boyd and Saad. It also says a lot about our midfield, which aint so good. Tall Durds fitted in well and will only get better. Young, also, will only improve and after a wonky start was good. Plow gave us the usual... some really good stuff and some 'gulps'.
Cotterell and LOB worked their @rses off. Cotters continues to grow.
Concerns: small forwards... they work hard but are losing impact. Fisher, after having his legs taken out from under him illegally (really, umpire ::) ::) ::) ) just lied there and pleaded for the free... get up and on with it young fella, while you're lying there protesting the game has continued and you're needed in the contest... seems just a bit too indicative. Is Bam Bam down a bit? Is Jack Martin the new 'Cameo King?'
Not happy seeing JSOS flying the flag against an opponent, quickly joined by a couple of Tiggers but no navy blue support. That's not 'our way.'
Not the end of the world, and we know we're a work in progress... and are missing some key personnel. We could well find ourselves in 7th place by the end of the round. Really looking forward to seeing how we respond against the D1ckers.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Inboltswetrust on June 17, 2022, 10:03:20 am
Sorry to dampen all your hopes guys but lets be realistic and take off those rosey color glasses for a minute please. We just lost to a side that is not even in the 8! Those who are pumping up LOB- he had 0 tackles. He's rubbish. Fisher the same. Thats why we conceded 70+ inside 50's. We need tough wingmen, not soft coc@! who run up the wing getting the odd kick and looking good. Cotrell is, was and always will be a spud. You cannot polish a turd. Durden (big one) the same. Also Walsh. We all love him but have you seen his meters gained this year? It's putrid. He is disposal seeking, then giving it off too quick to avoid contact. Needs to get that out of his game because it is costing us. Kennedy very poor in the wet. Went up and down on the Heavy 10 track like the thing I backed at Flemington in the last on Saturday which is still comming. Needs to work on his running, if that is genetically possible. Well Cripps did it so maybe he can otherwise he will be delisted next contract. Martin is a thief and should be delisted also to make way for Amon at the end of the year. My final comment will piss people off, but i am happy to revist and requote at the end of the year for those who are going to abuse me now. Here it is: "We will not make finals in 2022" after losing this pathetic game to Richmond. I'm serious. We need 4 more wins. Where are they comming from ? Maybe WC is one. Maybe. Adelaide? Good luck with that on their ground. Rest of them... doubtful. We had an easy draw and bathed in the glory.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: laj on June 17, 2022, 10:22:48 am
Sorry to dampen all your hopes guys but lets be realistic and take off those rosey color glasses for a minute please. We just lost to a side that is not even in the 8! Those who are pumping up LOB- he had 0 tackles. He's rubbish. Fisher the same. Thats why we conceded 70+ inside 50's. We need tough wingmen, not soft coc@! who run up the wing getting the odd kick and looking good. Cotrell is, was and always will be a spud. You cannot polish a turd. Durden (big one) the same. Also Walsh. We all love him but have you seen his meters gained this year? It's putrid. He is disposal seeking, then giving it off too quick to avoid contact. Needs to get that out of his game because it is costing us. Kennedy very poor in the wet. Went up and down on the Heavy 10 track like the thing I backed at Flemington in the last on Saturday which is still comming. Needs to work on his running, if that is genetically possible. Well Cripps did it so maybe he can otherwise he will be delisted next contract. Martin is a thief and should be delisted also to make way for Amon at the end of the year. My final comment will piss people off, but i am happy to revist and requote at the end of the year for those who are going to abuse me now. Here it is: "We will not make finals in 2022" after losing this pathetic game to Richmond. I'm serious. We need 4 more wins. Where are they comming from ? Maybe WC is one. Maybe. Adelaide? Good luck with that on their ground. Rest of them... doubtful. We had an easy draw and bathed in the glory.
Actually, we lost to a side who are one game off top 4, a good chance of getting there, and a good chance really challenging. They're win/loss ratio is the same as in their last premiership year. We know they build through a season and peak nicely. We didn't even play well, gave them a 6 goal start and still nearly got up with "half the side" out. Stop trying to work out where wins will come from as we'll win a few of those big games, lose a few but will be enough. 4 wins will do.
Not sure you know alot.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: madbluboy on June 17, 2022, 10:37:02 am
Will need 14 wins to make the 8
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on June 17, 2022, 10:53:13 am
BUT I do believe some teams use dirty tactics to sway the umpiring - Richmond and Cats - every time arms in the air looking at the umpires in disbelief whether it’s a close call or not. Every time complaining to them after every opportunity
That makes a difference! I hate seeing it but they do it all the time
Also the exaggerated throw the head back etc - staging. Bet we won’t see that Prick reiwoldt fined for it tho!
It's no accident both teams have miraculously come good after all the off-field whinging kiboshed the umpiring dissent rules.
Dimma and Scott are the King and Prince of the Whingers, every press conference, every door stop, is used to influence officialdom in some way to favour their team or disadvantage the opposition. It's no use people being in denial about it, and taking the higher road just puts your own club at a disadvantage. If you are not working for success on every available attack surface you are not working at all!
When you watch a game like last night, and see continual push in the back infringements going unpunished, just keep in mind Dimma's comments, "FFS, just let them play!" He basically badgered the AFL into ignoring infringements from Dusty, Grimes and others and used the Nthmond success as a platform to tip the playing surface in their favour.
Free kick Dawks or Free Kick Nthmond is not just about free kicks, it's about all the infringements they get away with as well!
The AFL tried to kibosh the practise via the dissent rules, and then the whingers won again by effectively complaining the rule out of implementation! Now Riewioldt is back to his begging best, arms out sooking, approaching umpires at the breaks, pestering without remorse or conscience.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on June 17, 2022, 10:55:55 am
Sorry to dampen all your hopes guys but lets be realistic and take off those rosey color glasses for a minute please. We just lost to a side that is not even in the 8! Those who are pumping up LOB- he had 0 tackles. He's rubbish. Fisher the same. Thats why we conceded 70+ inside 50's. We need tough wingmen, not soft coc@! who run up the wing getting the odd kick and looking good. Cotrell is, was and always will be a spud. You cannot polish a turd. Durden (big one) the same. Also Walsh. We all love him but have you seen his meters gained this year? It's putrid. He is disposal seeking, then giving it off too quick to avoid contact. Needs to get that out of his game because it is costing us. Kennedy very poor in the wet. Went up and down on the Heavy 10 track like the thing I backed at Flemington in the last on Saturday which is still comming. Needs to work on his running, if that is genetically possible. Well Cripps did it so maybe he can otherwise he will be delisted next contract. Martin is a thief and should be delisted also to make way for Amon at the end of the year. My final comment will piss people off, but i am happy to revist and requote at the end of the year for those who are going to abuse me now. Here it is: "We will not make finals in 2022" after losing this pathetic game to Richmond. I'm serious. We need 4 more wins. Where are they comming from ? Maybe WC is one. Maybe. Adelaide? Good luck with that on their ground. Rest of them... doubtful. We had an easy draw and bathed in the glory.
Too critical and harsh there IBWT old son. To a man our boys gave their all and I didn't see any who didn't, nor did I see any 'spuds' wearing the navy blue. Errors, departing from 'our way' and some inconsistency from a few were costly and disappointing. I have absolutely no doubt that in previous years we'd have been spanked. We met a very good and experienced side who've hit form and are at near full strength. We'll learn plenty from that outing, especially how to play in the wet and what to do when an opponent clamps your strengths.
I have absolute confidence in this list and our coaching group to address what was lacking in the first qtr and a half, and institute effective measures. Inconsistency is our enemy not talent or endeavour, and that's about adherence to our way and concentration/focus. There is no way our coaching group, especially the Vossmeister, will allow or tolerate us being found out for toughness.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LoveNavy on June 17, 2022, 11:03:32 am
Forgive me Father for I have sinned.
What was your sin my child?
I 🙏 prayed to the Lord That Master Bolton would smack into the goalpost while he was poking his tongue at The Doc. I prayed that he would "knock himself out" In the literal meaning of the phrase. That is my sin confessed and I seek your forgiveness ✨️
What comes next Bluebaggers 😉
PS Not intended to disrespect any person referred to as Father. Interestingly I woke during the night and this was circulating in my wonderful wired web of grey matter 😵💫
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: blueboys_1 on June 17, 2022, 11:10:45 am
Disappointed but we didn't play that badly I thought. Richmond played the kamikazee style from the get go and it seemed to me we were slow to react. Seriously some of their hacks forward just found blokes just sitting there. Is that skill or luck? Not unhappy with our form just disappointed. Think we can beat Freo next week under the roof. Postscript: Boyd seems seems to be travelling ok at the moment. Maybe early impressions were premature?
Re Boyd. A trier with a laser kick. That pass to space to Harry was just unreal. He has done that a few times in the last couple of weeks, so can see what they see in him. At the moment he is a bit light and as was mentioned by the club he has done a power of work on his body to get it up to AFL standard. A couple of pre-seasons in the gym and he could become a very handy player. He and McGovern with thier kicking out of the backline could be a real strength of ours in the future.
Also LOB had the ball on the 50 and Boyd was screaming for it to his left. i'd say Boyd would of kicked if LOB had passed it to him. Instead it went to front of the square and was killed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: madbluboy on June 17, 2022, 11:13:53 am
Small forward is the hardest position to play on the field. Need to stop blaming them after every loss.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on June 17, 2022, 11:16:31 am
Re Boyd. A trier with a laser kick. That pass to space to Harry was just unreal. He has done that a few times in the last couple of weeks, so can see what they see in him. At the moment he is a bit light and as was mentioned by the club he has done a power of work on his body to get it up to AFL standard. A couple of pre-seasons in the gym and he could become a very handy player. He and McGovern with thier kicking out of the backline could be a real strength of ours in the future.
Also LOB had the ball on the 50 and Boyd was screaming for it to his left. i'd say Boyd would of kicked if LOB had passed it to him. Instead it went to front of the square and was killed.
Yep I wrote off Boyd on his first game, but what I have seen since is really changing my mind. Was in our top 5 performers last night, and is a good type of player to have on the cusp of your 22. He is a good size (needs to get a bit stronger in the contest) but takes 0 backwards steps, has pace, and can kick it well. He gets found out contesting at the moment, but not through lack of want (like Lachie O'Brien who seems to avoid physical contact at times). Boyd was one of a few keeping us in it for the first few quarters which is a testament to his mentality. I am now a believer.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LoveNavy on June 17, 2022, 11:19:43 am
@Baggers Articulate thoughtful supporters post as usual 👍
To this I'd add Inconsistency is our enemy not talent or endeavour, and that's about adherence to our way and concentration/focus. There is no way our coaching group, especially the Vossmeister, will allow or tolerate us being found out for toughness.
Inconsistency is our challenge. It's what drives every moment on and off the field
To sustain adherence we must either: A. Rely on luck B. Have consistency
For mine, B will be the main determinant.... aka the team / line playing together regularly. There of ourse needs to be depth to support a degree (not 12 of 40) of flexibility
Let the show go on. Gi Blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on June 17, 2022, 11:56:09 am
Who would have guessed that a team that has had 3 senior coaches in the last 5 years looks a bit inconsisent?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on June 17, 2022, 11:57:28 am
It's no accident both teams have miraculously come good after all the off-field whinging kiboshed the umpiring dissent rules.
Dimma and Scott are the King and Prince of the Whingers, every press conference, every door stop, is used to influence officialdom in some way to favour their team or disadvantage the opposition. It's no use people being in denial about it, and taking the higher road just puts your own club at a disadvantage. If you are not working for success on every available attack surface you are not working at all!
When you watch a game like last night, and see continual push in the back infringements going unpunished, just keep in mind Dimma's comments, "FFS, just let them play!" He basically badgered the AFL into ignoring infringement from Dusty, Grimes and others and used the Nthmond success as a platform to tip the playing surface in their favour.
Free kick Dawks or Free Kick Nthmond is not just about free kicks, it's about all the infringements they get away with as well!
The AFL tried to kibosh the practise via the dissent rules, and then the whingers won again by effectively complaining the rule out of implementation! Now Riewioldt is back to his begging best, arms out sooking, approaching umpires at the breaks, pestering without remorse or conscience.
Normally I'd disagree, but the effect was quite noticeable last night. FWIW, the Tigers played a very unsociable brand, and were called up on it in round 1, and unfortunately the umps went the other way last night.
HOWEVER, come finals time, they will umpire more like they did last night than not. I do wish they would cut out the playing of the man not the ball crap though. I lost count of how many of our players got tackled without the footy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Mav on June 17, 2022, 12:00:55 pm
Re LOB’s 0 tackle count, I’m not sure I’d be basing too many arguments on published stats. What exactly is a tackle according to the statisticians? If it’s any tackle, including where the tackled player is able to dispose of it, then fair enough. If it’s only where the tackled player is caught holding the ball or a ball-up results, then that’s too restrictive in my book. Should a player who tackles once and forces a ball up be rated more highly than a player who tackles 10 times and forces rushed disposals?
Edit: According to Champion Data: “ Tackle: Using physical contact to prevent an opponent getting an effective disposal. Tackle Efficiency: Percentage of physical pressure acts that lead to an effective tackle.”
That seems much narrower than I think it should be. Presumably, a dribbled handball that is picked up by a team mate means no tackle stat is awarded. That’s an issue for wingers as they are mostly called on to attempt open field tackles on players who’ve been fed the ball. Pressuring them is a priority but usually the target will get the ball off in some fashion. On the other hand, inside mids and defenders are much more likely to be able to tackle a player before he’s had much chance to figure out what to do with it. An inside mid will try to make the play by bullocking through tackles while working in a phone box and the forward will risk being caught with the ball in an attempt to get a snap away.
Even small forwards are better placed to be awarded tackles as they’re able to run down defenders from behind as they’re trying to look for an open team mate, for example Durdin who was hardly tackled but the tackle forced the kick to go straight to an opponent who kicked a goal.
Strangely enough, the Champion Data definition seems to extend to a bump which results in an ineffective disposal even when there was no attempt to tackle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on June 17, 2022, 12:02:08 pm
Small forward is the hardest position to play on the field. Need to stop blaming them after every loss.
Agreed.
We got smashed in the center, despite being roughly 50/50 on the taps. because it's not about taps and never was.
It's about management of where the ball falls statistically, you can lose the tap and still control where it goes, half the time TDK was winning the tap and mostly hitting it where Nankervis wanted it to go. It's the difference between an experienced ruck and a beginner.
What was more disappointing, is we are full of experienced midfielders and yet we failed dismally to pick up on this for pretty much 80% of the match.
Charlie needs to do something besides chest marks, he had Grimes locked out of the contest much of the time and left the door open by trying to chest mark. Maybe Charlie needs to do like Riewoldt and wear gloves in the wet to encourage marking some of the footy out front!
BigH is a another level above most others as a KPF.
Dimma wouldn't be taking much out of that game other than a win, as there were some dire signs present in a result against a team limping around on 1/2-rat power.
Personally, in recent weeks we are seeing the opposition templates to defeat us now, they've had time to digest the Voss game plan. Speed on the spread and lots of physical pressure, it's just basics really but it works against us by preventing our midfield dominance. If we don't win the footy at the stoppages the likes of Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Kennedy, etc, etc., are out of the contest and we suffer accordingly!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: townsendcalling on June 17, 2022, 12:47:56 pm
Sorry to dampen all your hopes guys but lets be realistic and take off those rosey color glasses for a minute please. We just lost to a side that is not even in the 8! Those who are pumping up LOB- he had 0 tackles. He's rubbish. Fisher the same. Thats why we conceded 70+ inside 50's. We need tough wingmen, not soft coc@! who run up the wing getting the odd kick and looking good. Cotrell is, was and always will be a spud. You cannot polish a turd. Durden (big one) the same. Also Walsh. We all love him but have you seen his meters gained this year? It's putrid. He is disposal seeking, then giving it off too quick to avoid contact. Needs to get that out of his game because it is costing us. Kennedy very poor in the wet. Went up and down on the Heavy 10 track like the thing I backed at Flemington in the last on Saturday which is still comming. Needs to work on his running, if that is genetically possible. Well Cripps did it so maybe he can otherwise he will be delisted next contract. Martin is a thief and should be delisted also to make way for Amon at the end of the year. My final comment will piss people off, but i am happy to revist and requote at the end of the year for those who are going to abuse me now. Here it is: "We will not make finals in 2022" after losing this pathetic game to Richmond. I'm serious. We need 4 more wins. Where are they comming from ? Maybe WC is one. Maybe. Adelaide? Good luck with that on their ground. Rest of them... doubtful. We had an easy draw and bathed in the glory.
Where's the delete button??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on June 17, 2022, 01:23:08 pm
One of the worst umpiring decisions last night was when one of our players ( I think it was Cripps) was penalsied 50m for not handing the ball back straight away. I'm not sure how he could have done that as the Richmond player was walking back to take his kick with his back turned.
It was Curnow and Grimes and Grimes had his back to Curnow right up until the umpire paid the 50.
I’m normally pretty calm when watching the footy on TV but I scared the dogs at that moment.
Curnow should have piffed the ball at the back of Grimes’s head 😡
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on June 17, 2022, 01:37:27 pm
Well, that was disappointing; another game that we should have won, and probably would have if we hadn’t had the wind taken out of our sails by a goal umpiring decision.
We can take some comfort from the fact were almost at full strength and we were missing some key personnel.
I can now see what the MC must have seen in Jordan Boyd. He played a great game and his endeavour, energy and application couldn’t be faulted. Well done young man!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on June 17, 2022, 01:47:08 pm
Big credit to the recruiters for finding AFL quality players like Young, Hewett and Boyd over past year at close to no cost. Please keep this up and shows money bag recruitment has no place other than top tiers like Cerra and Saad or work hard to find hidden gems. I am sorry but LOB is far too weak in the contest and need a replacement. Fisher is up and down alot probably the most inconsistent player on the list. But encouraged that Vossy said our list isn't complete yet and bring in his type of players that are relentlessly hard at the contest
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on June 17, 2022, 02:03:42 pm
I won’t fear Richmond come finals time
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 17, 2022, 02:21:58 pm
Umps screwed us a bit but we didn't play to the conditions that well imo and the Tiggers took full advantage. We played out the game well and nearly pinched it and hopefully the lessons were learned.
No questioning the fight in our guys to the end, Voss said as much in his presser. We just never give which I love. If not for the bad technique in the rain and losing CP and territory early, we could have matched and beaten them even with players missing and supposed bad ump calls.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 17, 2022, 02:33:02 pm
I thought LOB went ok and his tackle count, physicality wont ever be top shelf because he isnt that style of player much like I wouldnt judge Craig Bradley on those criteria, not that I am comparing LOB to Braddles either. We dont have A grade wingers on the list and like a few teams we run a few different players through that part of the ground during different stages of the game as do most opposition. As I said I thought LOB went ok as did Cottrell as did Newnes and Richmond had their moments with Pickett, Mcintosh, Edwards, Clarke all handy at times. If we break even like we did IMO thats a win for us...... I see InBolts wants to trade Martin out and get Amon as a free agent......most of us have seen Amon play and its very much in the same style as LOB and you wont be seeing high tackle counts or physicality from Amon either and to be honest I dont see the point given Amon will want probably 3 times what LOB will cost.... I'd rather a free agent where we need it like a tall defender or ruckman.... I agree Martin has been a failure and was poor again last night all be it he came down with another calf injury but he does draw a decent defender based on his over hyped reputation and until his contract expires we are stuck with him. A slick mobile marking half forward who kicks straight like a Bayley Fritsch would be on my shopping list at draft time....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on June 17, 2022, 02:36:37 pm
I still won’t if it’s raining. We took a while to adapt this time another lesson learned Still only lost by 15 when they had no injuries and more than their share of the rub of the green with decisions and lucky bounces. Pitonet in on bully nank the wank huge difference
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: madbluboy on June 17, 2022, 03:00:46 pm
They were missing Dustin Martin.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Mav on June 17, 2022, 03:30:46 pm
And we were missing Adam Cerra, Marchbank, the Gov, Parks, Pittonet, Weitering & Zac Williams.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on June 17, 2022, 04:13:37 pm
I 🙏 prayed to the Lord That Master Bolton would smack into the goalpost while he was poking his tongue at The Doc. I prayed that he would "knock himself out" In the literal meaning of the phrase. That is my sin confessed and I seek your forgiveness ✨️
What comes next Bluebaggers 😉
PS Not intended to disrespect any person referred to as Father. Interestingly I woke during the night and this was circulating in my wonderful wired web of grey matter 😵💫
:)) :)) :)) Love your work, LN. ;D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 17, 2022, 05:29:25 pm
I 🙏 prayed to the Lord That Master Bolton would smack into the goalpost while he was poking his tongue at The Doc. I prayed that he would "knock himself out" In the literal meaning of the phrase. That is my sin confessed and I seek your forgiveness ✨️
What comes next Bluebaggers 😉
PS Not intended to disrespect any person referred to as Father. Interestingly I woke during the night and this was circulating in my wonderful wired web of grey matter 😵💫
Pity Stocker wasnt playing, he might have knocked that stupid grin off his face.....top player but he has his head so far up his Ar$e he can see his tonsils....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on June 17, 2022, 05:31:10 pm
And we were missing Adam Cerra, Marchbank, the Gov, Parks, Pittonet, Weitering & Zac Williams.
Yep. I'd add an in form Stocker and Honey. Parks is a wait and see, IMHO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Slowhand on June 17, 2022, 05:45:18 pm
I cannot believe our injury curse. We usually have a bad run but this is ridiculous. I'm an optimist and like Vossy have that next man up mindset but this is crazy.
We just heed to win a couple until we get Pitto and Weits back. Maybe Freeo next Sat arvo and the Eagles. IF we can limp to Round 16 with a coupe of wins and get a few back we will go alright.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on June 17, 2022, 05:47:02 pm
Pity Stocker wasnt playing, he might have knocked that stupid grin off his face.....top player but he has his head so far up his Ar$e he can see his tonsils....
He certainly has a very punchable face. Not a bad player though when he stops being a d1ckhead.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on June 17, 2022, 07:11:25 pm
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, regardless of how silly it may be 🙄
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Lods on June 17, 2022, 07:36:41 pm
Docherty and Bolton had an extended conversation at the end of the game. You would like to think Bolton was saying something along the lines of "I'm sorry I was a stupid, dickhead showpony" Docherty looked like he was acknowledging what we hope was an apology of sorts.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 17, 2022, 07:45:00 pm
Docherty and Bolton had an extended conversation at the end of the game. You would like to think Bolton was saying something along the lines of "I'm sorry I was a stupid, dickhead showpony" Docherty looked like he was acknowledging what we hope was an apology of sorts.
Jack Riewoldt went to Bolton not long after the goal and had a stern conversation with him over it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on June 17, 2022, 07:54:33 pm
.....and he was literally the only one from the entire list....and he's been very much out of form.
Alternatively our Key defender depth chart looks like this.... Starters.... Weitering McDonald McGovern - all 3 were our first picked in R1, all 3 injured now.
Backups... Young Marchbank Parks Durdin
In case of emergency.... Williamson Kemp Akieu ? ? ? ?
....and of course we lost Liam Jones last year.
...but yes, they were missing Dusty.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Lods on June 17, 2022, 08:57:12 pm
.....and he was literally the only one from the entire list....and he's been very much out of form.
Alternatively our Key defender depth chart looks like this.... Starters.... Weitering McDonald McGovern - all 3 were our first picked in R1, all 3 injured now.
Backups... Young Marchbank Durdin
In case of emergency.... Williamson Kemp Akieu ? ? ? ?
....and of course we lost Liam Jones last year.
...but yes, they were missing Dusty.
EFA- 8.50pm 17/06/2022
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on June 17, 2022, 09:43:13 pm
.....and he was literally the only one from the entire list....and he's been very much out of form.
Alternatively our Key defender depth chart looks like this.... Starters.... Weitering McDonald McGovern - all 3 were our first picked in R1, all 3 injured now.
Backups... Young Marchbank Parks Durdin
In case of emergency.... Williamson Kemp Akieu ? ? ? ?
....and of course we lost Liam Jones last year.
...but yes, they were missing Dusty.
Yes, lost Jones, and even Levi would be most useful. Could have rucked after losing Pitto, forward after we lost McKay, or back after we lost nearly everyone.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on June 17, 2022, 10:57:45 pm
.....and he was literally the only one from the entire list....and he's been very much out of form.
Alternatively our Key defender depth chart looks like this.... Starters.... Weitering McDonald McGovern - all 3 were our first picked in R1, all 3 injured now.
Backups... Young Marchbank Parks Durdin
In case of emergency.... Williamson Kemp Akieu ? ? ? ?
....and of course we lost Liam Jones last year.
...but yes, they were missing Dusty.
I'm well aware of our injuries. Imagine our 95 side without Silvagni, Sexton and Dean.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 18, 2022, 08:25:23 am
I'm well aware of our injuries. Imagine our 95 side without Silvagni, Sexton and Dean.
Sigh!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: tonyo on June 18, 2022, 09:54:11 am
I have to say, although we didn't get the 4 points on Thursday night, we managed to get off the floor twice with a seriously undermanned side. IMO, if Newnes' snap wasn't touched, we would have won - had all the momentum.
It does seem there is significant belief among this group, something that hasn't been in Navy Blue for a long time. If we hang in there for a win or two over the next month, and then get some troops back, anything could happen.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: madbluboy on June 18, 2022, 04:19:36 pm
Dermott Brereton is a believer you finish games the way you want to start the next week.
Our last quarter against the Bombers stunk and that continued into the first quarter against the tigers.