The game is at 1935 tonight at Ikon Park.
Interesting to see who plays and who doesn't.
Line ups still not announced - have we given up on this so all clubs dont announce it?
Nah, they're just scrounging up some corpses to field a team.
Anyone going to the game, bring you boots. You might get a gig.
Good to see Honey starting to get his groove back.
Blues by 7pts at half time after conceding the first 3 goals.
Game, thus far, from Stocker, Honey, Setterfield, Fogarty... all pleasing and doing their recall chances no harm at all.
Carroll, Kemp and Hayes doing their bit. Mayer and Trudgeon of the VFL boys doing well. Crocker dangerous as usual and has 2gls.
Is this game on tv at all
I haven’t checked, but yes it should be on afl.com and you can now stream it to your smart tv.
Blues by 25pts at 3/4 time.
3gls each to Crocker and Honey.
Good to see Carroll and Hayes up their output in that qtr. Ditto Kemp.
Gee this Trudgeon bloke has something. Also really liked Cincotta's game. Crocker and JGM also deserve acknowledgement.
Setters, Stocks... outstanding.
Encouraging/good games also from: Fogarty and Mirkov.
Now, not to p1ss our pants in the final qtr like last week and go for broke.
That's what I'm watching, MO... not on free-to-air teev.
Setters 33 disposals and eight tackles on the wing. What a game
Blues by 19.
Loved the games from Setters, Fogarty, Stocks, Honey and Carroll.
Honey 4 gls.
Here are the stats...
https://www.afl.com.au/vfl/matches/4267#player-stats
The only sour note was the poor game from Motlop. Ran around and did SFA... no impact.
Some very decent names in the Dogs team, Ben Crocker again prominent, a nice win from the VFL team and nice to see Josh Honey in the goals. Hayes with good stats vs his old mob, with Martin out it might be Hayes and Honey fighting for his position.
I wouldnt pick Setterfield despite his stats and would stick with LOB and Cottrell on the wings.....
Kemp was solid IMO
Honey building a case for a call up
Dow good again
Yes Baggers, young Motlop didn't look very "engaged" in the quarter & half that I watched. Certainly no second efforts. Also looks to be still carrying plenty of puppy fat! Perhaps time to start the real apprenticeship!
Such as a run with roll (in VFL games) on an opposition's midfielder, or some time in the back pocket guarding their sharp moving small forwards.
He has to become more than the so called "deadly" sharp shooter if he is to play AFL.
cheers Ab
After the disappointment of Thursday night I found watching the Magoos from start to finish a real tonic, especially seeing some important AFL listed players stating a case for recall. There was a real fierce/desperate/tough energy in our senior listed players (except for Motlop) that was palpable.
You mention Crocker... holy cr@p he works hard, in one moment he's snapping for goal in the forward pocket then providing an option off the HBF. Be very surprised if he's not rookied by someone at year's end.
Will's stats were pretty good but he did make some uncharacteristic mistakes. Carroll was clean and really imposed himself on the contest, especially after half time. Stocks was, for moi, clearly bog when you factor in he played down back and didn't have the opportunities that the mids/wings did.
After half time, especially the third and half of the final qtr, the boys were tough and relentless and completely overwhelmed the Dishlickers. Doggies got a couple of late cheapies to improve the scoreboard for them.
He'll come good, he has all the tools.
Confident you're right... one of the reasons he stood out last night, was like a sloth on Valium - clearly not right.
Not worried about Motlopo has shown enough to be a good player - shown more than Durdin has last year. Pre season and confidence will see him improve and possibly quite alot.
I had a post here that seemed to disappear. I'll replace it soon.
Good to see us win with so few tall options.
For me Corey Durdin is miles ahead of Motlop and always is having a crack, Jesse Motlop reminds me of all the other Motlops, great skills but goes missing and looks a tad laconic a bit too often especially when he doesnt have the ball or the odds are against him getting the ball. For me the Durdin, Owies and Fisher trio has served us well this season and you are going to have to expect some down games especially vs teams like Richmond who have a very good strong defense that go at you physically and combine well to cover each other. There wasnt much spare change from our forward entries for our three to go after and it was hard work breaking free on such a wet night. I view that as a learning experience and our blokes will do better next time in the wet.
Jesse needs a spell down back imo to learn a few more defensive skills and what to do when he doesnt have the ball and he will be a better player with that education otherwise he will just be another inconsistent highlight reel player.
I haven't seen the whole VFL game yet - it takes a little while for the AFL website to update things. However, if you see the highlights, you see a couple of absolutely magnificent things done by Kemp in defence. First was a top mark, the first big specky he's managed to hold as yet. The second is a trap of the ball and a kick off the ground unbalanced (while on the ground) that leads to a goal at the other end. Nothing short of brilliant.
I'd say that he has booked his ticket to next week's game on those two highlights alone.
No argument from me, Durdin will be a superstar, down abit at the moment but you still play him IMO. Motlop is way further behind in his development even for a small and even though he played some WAFL against men.
Agree, Corey Durdin is over the horizon ahead of the alternatives, does all the hard stuff some of the others do not do, Durdin is a hard worker who is a 24x7 footballer, not flash in the pan 5 minute man!
Agree regarding Kemp. His aerial skills last night were a surprise for me. I think he was playing on Josh Bruce at times. Good signs for him 👏
His marking and kicking were a feature as an U18 player and defense is where he will play his best footy and use those skills imho.
The temptation with such a versatile player is to want to use those skills to bandaid/cheat in other positions as Andrew Walker could tell you but you put players where they play their best footy and find the right players for other positions.
Play them to their strengths you reckon EB? What a novel concept.
Bruce got a hold of Kempy a few times. Was surprised to see on the club's website that Stocker didn't get in the best players or rate a mention! In the heat it was Stocks and Cincotta who repelled a lot of attacks. Kempy's 2nd half was outstanding... really attacked the contest and backed himself, was terrific to see. A few selection headaches for the MC next week.
He looked right at home last night in defense.
Watched the whole game and Bruce towled him up, kicking three on him in the first half. However as has been mentioned his second half was outstandind. The knock on against Bruce while on the groud was the highlight of the night.
Bruce is a beast of a man and Kemp is more of an intercept - running off opponent type player. Probably his first assignment as a lock down defender ever. I thought he did tremendously well
Once Weitering comes back in and Young continues to develop, can Kemp be the 3rd tall defender option? Given the propensity for McGovern and Marchbank to be injured all the time, Kemp probably goes past the likes of Williamson etc? Hopefully it one day becomes a "problem" where we struggle to squeeze guys into the best 22.
I'm probably in the minority but I don't see it (yet) with Motlop EB, doesn't look fast enough, fit enough or intense enough for long enough. It's not just about flashy goals as a high half forward - Durdin, Fisher and Owies offer work rate and where they run to when the opposition try to transition from defence is a huge part of our game plan.
Even LoB and Cottrell play a very important role in this regard, it shapes where the ball goes and allows our D50 to focus on a smaller area. When that run goes missing, like when we had Motlop in, for all that he showed when he has the ball, we lost the work ethic when we didn't have it, and that was or can be very costly.
I thought Carroll was OK when he was in, he certainly worked up and down the ground, he just needs some polish and he will be a player.
Fans tend not to give work ethic much regard, they see what happens when the camera is on the player or when they have the footy and are blind to the rest. One of Owies big pluses is what he does when we do not have the footy, the guy runs goal line to goal line if required to do so, fans do not see it because they watch the footy or it's happening off camera. As a coach when you see that sort of work ethic you know you have something to work with, it's very hard for a coach to work with the opposite type of player, which is a passenger type player.
Motlop is just a kid, he stops and watches when he's not in range to win the footy, which creates space for the opposition to move into. He'll learn that eventually, but playing him now comes with that feature of his game as a cost.
For all our talent in the midfield, it's worthless if they start watching play evolve away from them, Walsh is so good because he's onto the next contest immediately and never stops moving.
I agree Prof he looks a tad slow compared to say Durdin and originally I thought it was just the pace of the AFL senior game compared to U18/WAFL footy but he actually lacks a yard of leg speed and needs to get fitter to get an edge to his game.
Has a bit of swagger about him as well which is fine if you can back it up on the field ala Weightman, Ginnivan, Higgins etc but as I said the Durdin, Owies, Fisher setup is the best we have had for a long while and I dont see any reason to change it other than injury.
The one small forward we probably lack is that high marking player like Liam Ryan, Weightman, Bolton etc who can take contested marks vs bigger players. I watched both Weightman and Rylee West last night and they both took good contested marks vs bigger opponents and if Jesse Motlop wanted to get ahead of one of the incumbent three small forwards then he would need to get that type of skillset as an advantage but at the moment he is a long way off the other three imho.
I liked the look of Tyreece Leiu. He is a big lump of a lad who looks like he means it when he lays a tackle. He was one of our train on players at the start of the year and I think he may be worth another try.
As for Motlop, he may not have got the pill but he certainly covered the ground trying to get to the opposition ball carrier. In fact, the expression 'blue-asked fly' came to mind. I think that his work rate is there but he needs to improve his positioning and reading of the play.
Kemp was on a hiding to nothing but he stuck to his guns and largely nullified Bruce in the second half. Not a bad effort considering he was conceding 5cm, 9kg and 146 AFL games.
I see that as Kemps role going forward if he wants to play senior footy, as I have said before he has the Jeremy Howe skillset as a work in progress and while no one will ever be at Howes level for marking ability I think Kemp can do the same intercept role and give us some long kicking depth out of defense and take those intercept marks.
McGovern will get the role when he returns but as you suggest he doesnt stay on the park for very long and Marchbank is about the unluckiest player I have seen after Lee Walker and Alex Johnson and both those players tried so hard to make it back but in the end had to give up and I fear Marchbank will be the same so Kemp is one player we should be giving games to so he fasttracks his development.
If they were all fit and firing McGovern and Marchbank have Kemp comfortably covered as intercept defenders.
We are wasting Kemp, he has a set of skills / abilities that rivals most tall mids, it will be very interesting to see what we do with list management at the end of this season. I suspect clubs short of big bodied mids will quite possibly come after Kemp.
Fyfe back perhaps highlights this, the only like for like we've got is Cripps, so they probably run off each other, no point tagging them or rotating others. If we had Kemp in the mid rotation you could double team Fyfe with Cripps and Kemp, I think we did similar for a short time with SoJ a season or two back and it worked quite well, but at the moment SoJ is really needed elsewhere!
Where does this "Kemp as a midfielder" come from LP?
He has never played as a midfielder and I'm not sure that he has the attributes for that role. His strengths are his intercept marking, ability to run out of defence, and occasionally go forward and hit the scoreboard.
The McGovern experiment pushed Kemp a few runs down the ladder but, if we want a long term intercept defender, Kemp is the man.
He'd spent his junior days as an intercept defender, but in the u18s carnival just prior to the draft he rose rapidly up the draft ratings as a result of being moved into the midfield to be a match winner, he also made a name for himself in the same carnival up forward for the first time in his career, drawing parallels between himself and Kouta, but of course he injured himself before being drafted.
I believe if we are lucky to find it our club even used photographs of Kemp with Kouta as part of the marketing spiel just after Kemp was drafted.
All the draft gossip was the kid was the next oversized midfielder in the making.
#8
Brodie Kemp
Height: 192cm
Weight: 82kg
D.O.B: 01-05-2001
DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Bendigo's leading prospect, Kemp can play multiple roles and proved a game winner this year."
Leagues: Under 18s Championships, NAB League Boys
CLUBS looking for a player who can do just about anything need look no further than Brodie Kemp. The Bendigo Pioneers utility has long been touted as a player to watch come his draft year and he delivered in spades throughout 2019, particularly during the National Championships. The Geelong Grammarian spent most of his year plying his trade in school football, but unfortunately had his season cut short by an ACL tear in the same competition just before he was scheduled for a NAB League return. Still, his three-year elite pathway resume is as good as any draft prospect in this year's crop and Kemp's upside will make him even more desirable heading into November. His presence helped Bendigo to their first two wins of the year in the opening rounds, and his season-best 27-disposal game against South Australia was crowned by kicking the winning goal – a feat he very nearly repeated in the very next round. We knew he could make a difference, but Kemp’s true game-turning abilities really came to the fore this year and propelled him into top 10 draft contention post-championships. Injury means recency bias will work against him, as will a lack of recent combine results, but Kemp’s work throughout the year alone makes him a player worthy of such honours. Expect clubs higher up the ladder with the time to be able to wait on or develop high-end picks to roll the dice on the well-built mover if the draft order shuffles.
STRENGTHS:
Versatility
Clean hands
Overhead marking
Hurt factor
Athleticism
IMPROVEMENTS:
Endurance
Kicking at speed
The word on Kemp coming into the season was that he was destined for more midfield minutes after finding a home as a high-marking intercept defender in 2018, but he would end up having an impact just about everywhere. He adapted his kick-dominant game to become a handball-happy midfield extractor, was solid in his usual defensive post for Vic Country, and eventually a game winner for them up forward. Kemp’s success up forward lends to his key strengths of impact and overhead marking. He showed his worth with a huge contested mark in the dying seconds against South Australia to snare the winning goal, while doing the same twice in the last quarter against Western Australia to almost drag his side over the line. All were really game defining moments, and while Kemp does not win crazy amounts of the ball, he has important touches. Add to that a sub-three second 20m sprint and phenomenal agility and you have a prospect that can pull off just about anything. A good size to boot, Kemp would be a top 10 lock if not for his recent injury.
As close as Kemp is to being a complete player and as much as he can do it all on a football field, there remains room for improvement at this stage. Kemp’s disposal average of an even 20 across the NAB League and national carnival is quite impressive given the deep position he often took up either end of the ground, but if he is to play more permanently in the midfield, he can work on having bucket-loads of possessions more often. Perhaps the more pressing question is his kicking on the move, with Kemp’s delivery wavering at times. It seems a matter of consistency as his delivery out of the back half usually assured, but not quite perfect as it stands. When he has time and space he can deliver, but it is ironing out that kick at speed to take the next step. Another area Kemp was keen to improve on at the start of the season was his endurance after an okay 21.4 yo-yo test at the NAB League Fitness Testing Day, which he had made inroads towards improving. But after his knee injury he will need to build that back up and get match fitness in for him to have a real impact in his second season of AFL football. Overall a really talented prospect who has massive upside once he recovers and gets some runs into the legs.
DRAFT RANGE: 5-20
I recall the Kemp midfielder conversation pre draft. Pretty sure it was Shifter who touted him as having the goods as a mid but that he'd have to build his endurance. Ditto, Stocker. As an aside, it was terrific to see Kempy turn his impact around v the Dishlickers on Friday night after half time. Injected his customary boldness into his game... loved it.
Yes, folk talked about Kemp as a midfielder but he played as an intercept defender who occasionally went forward and kicked goals.
He showed great promise as a defender in the couple of games he played last season with his marking strength and his ability to run off his opponent. The lack of talls has meant that he has been played out of position as a key forward and key defender in the VFL this season. Hopefully, that will help his development but it’s not doing him any favours in terms of stringing together good performances and demanding a spot in the firsts.
You are talking mostly about his pre-Development junior career, if I applied the same logic to Weitering he should be playing as a CHF, I think he still holds some sort of junior Mt Martha goal kicking record! He was so good as a junior CHF in about u15s/u16s he kicked a dozen of more goals for his team in just a half of football, then swapped sides to play for the opposition and kicked another bag of goals for the opposition after half-time, but we play him at fullback! ;)
The bulk of Kemps pre-draft season, the season that caught everyone's attention, he was played as a utility, he was all over the ground with the majority being on the ball or up forward. Prior to that he was a vanilla intercept defender who was going to be taken late in the draft. When he displayed his wares as a midfielder / forward he became a 1st round draft pick!
I don't see the point of denying this history, everyone can argue whether it is right or wrong as an assessment, but it's a bit ridiculous to somehow assert that it never happened.
No LP, I am talking about his immediate pre-draft footy. The narrative is that Kemp was supposed to be tried in the midfield but his ACL meant that it never happened.
More importantly, he hasn’t shown any midfielder attributes in his time with us.
Of course, Kemp could have a turn in the midfield, much like Jack used to before he became a ruckman, but it would be occasional and probably to create a mismatch or nullify an opposition mid.
Firstly, you might well be the only person who sees that history like that, I've no idea why you are hell bent on dismissing what actually happened and rewriting history.
Secondly, we've not played him there because he arrived injured and from the moment he started rehab we slated him to play behind the footy. We even held discussions on this forum about it, that running in straight lines might be a better option for a kid recovering from a knee, a better option to twisting and turning in the midfield.
Probably the real truth is that it was more due to BB's defensive mindset and our immediate need rather than what might be best for the player, there were even a lot of people still slagging off Weiters as a viable KPD at the time Kemp was began training!
But then again, some people are just stubborn, like those still asserting Ben Silvagni has somehow been maligned as a KPD player!
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=4821.0
A post draft excerpt, accompanied by marketing showing Kemp with Walsh presenting him with the AFL U18 AA guernsey.
(https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6006.0;attach=1278)
I quite like the idea of having Kemp in the midfield, assuming we get a bit of height back. He is mobile and attacks the ball quite well, and very few mids out there could compete with him in the air. He isn't slow either.
I wouldn't mind if we managed to find a young mid with real extreme pace to break out of the centre square: it is probably the only sort of mid we don't really have yet. Fisher is the closest. It just gives us that little bit extra, which I would love.
But we already have issues fitting all out top mids in the centre square. Now that Dow and Setterfield are finally showing something, they can't get a look-in.
I still like the idea of Kemp as a mid, but I don't think we can afford it at the moment.
Later in the year I would be quite amenable to giving him time in there at VFL level to see how he can produce.
To be honest, we don't have a bad bunch of taller players. Their problem as a group is that they can't stay on the field. It means that we'll probably look for a key defender at the draft, someone like Gibcus. Perhaps we can snaffle one on the cheap, but I would like another top defender down there.
Oscar Mac, alas, has had it. back injuries are very difficult to come back from, as he has demonstrated. I know that wasn't specifically why Melbourne flicked him, but he filled the bill for us perfectly. He just wasn't able to stay on the park.
He could well have become our Petty, the third tall defender at Melbourne who get most of the hard jobs. It would be nice if we can aim for someone like that, especially if there is a physical defender out there who is not getting the game time for one reason or another.
I am happy to see Michael Lewis and Tyreece Liu playing in the VFL at the moment. They mightn't be the players to fix the key posts, but I'd like to see them get a chance to show what they can do. Certainly Liu played his best game at the weekend, after Akuei went off with concussion.