Weitering should be back. Maybe Pittonet. Won't complain about reinforcements arriving, no matter how well we might be travelling.
Looks like we need all the help we can get after tonight's pathetic performance.
Just kick straight for goal would be a huge improvement.
Just kick straight for goal would be a huge improvement.
After last night, Jack Silvagni, H and Charlie Curnow are going to be spending the entire week kicking at goals.
The guy I go to the games with predicted TDK's miss. The looks he got when it happened lol.
Kicking straight is very important to strive for a top four spot - but creating clear cut chances and defending ground balls are equally as important imo. I think our cupboard is more bare then West Coasts atm
The guy I go to the games with predicted TDK's miss. The looks he got when it happened lol.
I did too.
People told me to be quiet you'll jinx him but he's missed every single gimme all season.
Was more dissatisfied when Hewett missed. He's been very reliable but that was not very Sydney like if you catch my drift
After last night, Jack Silvagni, H and Charlie Curnow are going to be spending the entire week kicking at goals.
Along with TDK, George and every other bloke that couldn't hit the side of a barn.
For what its worth, H does practice a lot (ie extras) after every session.
Along with TDK, George and every other bloke that couldn't hit the side of a barn.
For what its worth, H does practice a lot (ie extras) after every session.
They've interviewed H several times throughout the year with a focus on when/where he pulls out the drop punt and when he does the snap. He's said several times, 40-45 he generally puts the snap away. The one he had was every bit of 45, yet he snapped and got nowhere near it.
He should've known better and to me that was my biggest disappointment.
we owe wce last year they beat us in syd with a WAFL side ,PAYBACK time (i hope)
I hope the guys don’t underestimate the opponent again against the Eagles. Once again a side that has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I wonder if SPS will get a run against us? He's the Medisub today
The Weagles going OK v the Tigers so far. Not brilliant but ok. We will certainly have to have our wits about us.
The Weagles going OK v the Tigers so far. Not brilliant but ok. We will certainly have to have our wits about us.
Cookie, If we cant flog the eagles we wont be much chop in the finals, they are very ordinary and coach Simpson who may be at North next season knows its a long way back for them via the draft and doesnt look real interested Imho.
The old soldiers JK, Darling, Shuey etc are still their best players and if Weitering comes back fit then we should be thinking percentage booster....
The Weagles going OK
Yep, people are too focussed on the past, it's irrelevant, it's not the same team playing now that the Wet Toast started the season with, they are a serious threat to any club on the ladder.
Cookie, If we cant flog the eagles we wont be much chop in the finals, they are very ordinary and coach Simpson who may be at North next season knows its a long way back for them via the draft and doesnt look real interested Imho.
The old soldiers JK, Darling, Shuey etc are still their best players and if Weitering comes back fit then we should be thinking percentage booster....
They faded out a bit in end EB but they can still muster some pretty dangerous talent. Agree that we must win and should win this but we shouldn't be taking anything for granted imho.
There are 2 players we must neutralize: NicNat and Josh Kennedy. NicNat usually plays well against us, and one thing we learnt from the game against St Kilda is that we have to win the centre clearances if we are to win over there.
Weitering will be back, and he often plays well against Kennedy. But even with Tom de Koning's improved form, we really need to nullify Nic Nat. he is their matchwinner.
It's pretty quiet here on the site today, usually that is a sign of dread!
They have 2 wins.
Carlton by 45 points.
It's pretty quiet here on the site today, usually that is a sign of dread!
That's because we have gone from top 4 aspirants to hanging on to the top 8 in the space of one week.
If we don't get a win on Sunday, we will be well and truly under the pump.
It's pretty quiet here on the site today, usually that is a sign of dread!
No comment
They have 2 wins.
Carlton by 45 points.
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Harry and Charlie to kick 5 each...
Complacency kills
They smalls are my main concern. Hold them and we should get the points.
If we want to play finals this is a must win. Apart from the Crows and GWS in melb the rest are harder on the run home and will still need to find 3 more wins to tie up a spot.
Voss will have them wound up for this I reckon. Blues by 30.
i know 1 thing we will kick straight this week ,it is always the case following week and we need to rove to NICK taps ,melb lost the ruck yet won clearances that has to be us.
Harry and Charlie to kick 5 each...
Thats not gonna happen.
Thats not gonna happen.
No J McGovern and their tall defenders vs the Tigers were Barrass, Bazzo and Rotham........if the ball gets down our end often enough it will be carnage. Barrass is a decent enough player but is only 194cm and would probably have to take Harry, Rotham is 193cm and Bazzo is 195cm but is a thin kid playing his second game.
Harry has 10cm and 10kg on Barrass.......
Should be a smacking imho providing we win enough ball from the middle, Kelly had 40 vs the tigers so he should get George for company imo. Nitwit might cause us some problems in the ruck as well as JK and Darling if they get good supply but apart from that I dont see too many winners for WC.
No J McGovern and their tall defenders vs the Tigers were Barrass, Bazzo and Rotham........if the ball gets down our end often enough it will be carnage. Barrass is a decent enough player but is only 194cm and would probably have to take Harry, Rotham is 193cm and Bazzo is 195cm but is a thin kid playing his second game.
Harry has 10cm and 10kg on Barrass.......
Should be a smacking imho providing we win enough ball from the middle, Kelly had 40 vs the tigers so he should get George for company imo. Nitwit might cause us some problems in the ruck as well as JK and Darling if they get good supply but apart from that I dont see too many winners for WC.
Got down plenty vs the Saints as well, undersized defenders killed many contents, we then helped the cause by being inaccurate. This is at Optus which hasn't been the happiest of hunting grounds the few times we have played there. I am nowhere near as confident as you are.
WC without Yeo, Sheed, and of course McG.
Big Nic will be better for the run as will JK after a week's rest. Kelly, pesky Willy, Ryan, and Shuey finding form. Probably related to hit outs to a degree.
I think it will be close. Hopefully we get on top of clearances, kick straight, and get over the line.
WC without Yeo, Sheed, and of course McG.
Big Nic will be better for the run as will JK after a week's rest. Kelly, pesky Willy, Ryan, and Shuey finding form. Probably related to hit outs to a degree.
I think it will be close. Hopefully we get on top of clearances, kick straight, and get over the line.
If you go by ladder position we should win. However, we know WC have been ravaged this year and they are proud club on their home deck who are "better" than their ladder position suggests. Ill take a 1 pt win if we can get one.
According to CFC website
Available for selection:-
Jacob Weitering (AC joint), Sam Durdin (knee), Matt Owies (calf), Lachie Fogarty (back), Ed Curnow (calf)
So if it were up to me
In Weiters Owies Stocker (sub)
Out Newnes Honey (Setterfield)
WOW - ONLY 9 ON THE INJURY LIST
Got a long way to go :'( :'(
No J McGovern and their tall defenders vs the Tigers were Barrass, Bazzo and Rotham........if the ball gets down our end often enough it will be carnage. Barrass is a decent enough player but is only 194cm and would probably have to take Harry, Rotham is 193cm and Bazzo is 195cm but is a thin kid playing his second game.
Harry has 10cm and 10kg on Barrass.......
Should be a smacking imho providing we win enough ball from the middle, Kelly had 40 vs the tigers so he should get George for company imo. Nitwit might cause us some problems in the ruck as well as JK and Darling if they get good supply but apart from that I dont see too many winners for WC.
Height is overvalued imo when considering how effective a forward will be on a given day.
How the ball is moved to the forward is far more important then height difference. Us fans think if you have a decent height advantage it’s a massive bonus but it’s rarely plays out that way.
Last weeks game is an example of how in the last quarter Harry had a massive height advantage and I don’t remember one occasion where we were able to kick it to his advantage.
Having the advantage is one thing but being able to exploit it is not as easy as it appears on paper. Otherwise every ruckman would be a great resting forward yet they rarely kick more then the odd goal.
Is Josh Kennedy even a certain starter? I like a multi and he’s name is not on the list of goal kickers - I’m hoping that means he is still out.
Is Josh Kennedy even a certain starter? I like a multi and he’s name is not on the list of goal kickers - I’m hoping that means he is still out.
Is not on the AFL injury list
If you go by ladder position we should win. However, we know WC have been ravaged this year and they are proud club on their home deck who are "better" than their ladder position suggests. Ill take a 1 pt win if we can get one.
WC v Tigers
This time around they played with 10 changes from previous meeting 😯
Is Josh Kennedy even a certain starter? I like a multi and he’s name is not on the list of goal kickers - I’m hoping that means he is still out.
Simpson reporting he's very likely to play.
It's not the Weagles tall forwards I'm as concerned about as their small forwards.
It's not the Weagles tall forwards I'm as concerned about as their small forwards.
Under the current rules I think it's all about the midfield, even relatively mediocre forwards are scoring goals this season when a team gets enough clean clearances.
If we can't stop the Wet Toast midfield we will have a problem, we either have to dominate the clearances or slow down the Wet Toast run and spread. If we can get enough clearances and kick straight the weakened Wet Toast D50 should be to our advantage.
Bit worried about Charlie's goal kicking, he is developing some real goal kicking ticks, the big swerve is getting bigger and bigger and he's got a case of the heebie jeebies whenever he is forced into a set shot, and there is no reason for it he just needs to go back and do the basics well. He needs to lock out the whoever or whatever that has got into his headspace.
Height is overvalued imo when considering how effective a forward will be on a given day.
How the ball is moved to the forward is far more important then height difference. Us fans think if you have a decent height advantage it’s a massive bonus but it’s rarely plays out that way.
Last weeks game is an example of how in the last quarter Harry had a massive height advantage and I don’t remember one occasion where we were able to kick it to his advantage.
Having the advantage is one thing but being able to exploit it is not as easy as it appears on paper. Otherwise every ruckman would be a great resting forward yet they rarely kick more then the odd goal.
Many of Harry’s goals have come from undersized defenders panicking and grabbing him in marking contests. That still requires the ball to be kicked to his advantage even if it’s just a high ball to the hot spot.
Harry and Charlie work damn hard to be in good positions, as does Jack. In fact Jack is third for marks on the lead inside 50, well ahead of Harry and Charlie. Their teammates generally work equally hard to get the ball to them … except when we’re a little off our game, as we were against St Kilda.
Maybe a little of ‘Harry’s on a shortarse, just bomb the ball’ creeps in.
like i said in past tall fwds are useless if you haven't got players to deliver the pill (need to recruit quick players ) . My opinion is that wce are confident ,get JK back playing home , set up perfect for us to win .
Many of Harry’s goals have come from undersized defenders panicking and grabbing him in marking contests.
It's not really size that matters the most, it's strength, and usually bigger players have a weight advantage, but if you don't know how to use that advantage it's worthless.
SOS would regularly stitch up KPF's significantly bigger than him, and Serg could better players far far heavier, but none were built stronger. SoJ is a bit similar, which allows him to fair better in the ruck than people predict.
Height is overvalued imo when considering how effective a forward will be on a given day.
How the ball is moved to the forward is far more important then height difference. Us fans think if you have a decent height advantage it’s a massive bonus but it’s rarely plays out that way.
Last weeks game is an example of how in the last quarter Harry had a massive height advantage and I don’t remember one occasion where we were able to kick it to his advantage.
Having the advantage is one thing but being able to exploit it is not as easy as it appears on paper. Otherwise every ruckman would be a great resting forward yet they rarely kick more then the odd goal.
I'd suggest delivery to and intensity from Harry and Charlie wasnt as good as it should have been, Saints lost Howard as well and ended up with Battle on Harry but we were not good enough to exploit that as a team or Harry as an Individual.
Wilkie is an underrated defender and fair to say he probably had the better of Charlie who like Harry looked a bit laconic and I hope Voss smartens them up this week at training because I see plenty of opportunities vs WC if they are switched on.
Charlie doing those around the corner kicks instead of lining up properly is starting to concern me and he needs to balance those approaches out more and be a bit more orthodox as we have some tough games ahead and cant be squandering opportunities.
Charlie doing those around the corner kicks instead of lining up properly is starting to concern me and he needs to balance those approaches out more and be a bit more orthodox as we have some tough games ahead and cant be squandering opportunities.
If Charlie has a set shot, he misses.
If he gets the ball, and runs his arc straight away without thinking, he is a better kick.
Still could improve in both areas, but i think he is susceptible to the yips if he has time to think about things.
I recall Parkin talking about how they addressed The Duke of Earl's goalkicking yips when he crossed from Melbourne and we tried to move him from CHB to CHF. The problem he had was that there'd always be a swing on the ball, but he couldn't allow for it as sometimes it went left and sometimes it went right. Taking time to think about his kicking was hurting rather than helping him. Parkin advised him just to take a set number of steps back and immediately begin his run up. It cured him pretty much overnight.
I recall Parkin talking about how they addressed The Duke of Earl's goalkicking yips when he crossed from Melbourne and we tried to move him from CHB to CHF. The problem he had was that there'd always be a swing on the ball, but he couldn't allow for it as sometimes it went left and sometimes it went right. Taking time to think about his kicking was hurting rather than helping him. Parkin advised him just to take a set number of steps back and immediately begin his run up. It cured him pretty much overnight.
I've thought very much the same about Cripps, who has similar issues to Earl.
A trick we had with kids was getting then to become competitive about their longest kick, because you can't kick your personal best longest kick without kicking straight. It got them focussed on kicking straight without the pressure of kicking straight, everybody just accepts some can kick further than others, so you focus on a PB.
So if it were up to me
In Weiters Owies Stocker (sub)
Out Newnes Honey (Setterfield)
I'd go
In Weiters Owies
Out Plow Honey (leave Setterfield as the Sub)
We went into the Saints game with six defenders and Newnes. Newnes wasn't effective in defence and his absence from the wing rotations affected O'Brien and Cottrell's games (Cerra was next to useless).
Weitering should come in at the expense of a surplus midfielder/forward to provide a more balanced line up.
Plowman was one of our better defenders with 10 intercept possessions and 89% disposal efficiency. His hacked kick to Membrey in the first quarter was his only real blemish. He and his five fellow defenders all deserve to retain their places in the team.
Should be out cerra, Setterfield.
In owies and weitering (kemp to the sub).
Should be out cerra, Setterfield.
In owies and weitering (kemp to the sub).
That still leaves us with only six defenders and Newnes …
^^
Cerra was my weakest link.
Him out and anyone else in, is an immediate victory. We actually had more issue because of what didnt happen up forward rather than what happened on the wings. That and the fact that we turned it over ALOT.
Cerra is one of the reasons we have improved this year. No one delivers the ball inside 50 better than him.
Cerra is one of the reasons we have improved this year. No one delivers the ball inside 50 better than him.
He has to be fit enough to get more than 10 kicks, and he has to get them in the midfield in a manner that let's him open up or use opened up space, not rushed kicks out on the flanks.
Last weekend, he was clearly not right, and because of that everybody around him had a tougher time of it, selecting him half baked was a rookie MC mistake the first of it's type I've seen this season.
If he's fit the right person to bring into the midfield might be Ed, because even though he's not helping a lot on the outside he can stop someone on the inside and that can help guys like Walsh, Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy and Fisher. With Cerra limping around(metaphorically) behind the footy last weekend they were effectively a player down!
I heard he was 100% fit but was not included in the usual midfield rotations.
Cerra had 71% game time, and had 16 disposals with 4 clangers.
He was heavily strapped up and didnt move well at all. Whilst you cross the line you are deemed fit, the stats suggest he was anything but with 14 uncontested possessions and 0 inside 50's.
Was bad enough to be dropped if he was fit.
I recall Parkin talking about how they addressed The Duke of Earl's goalkicking yips when he crossed from Melbourne and we tried to move him from CHB to CHF. The problem he had was that there'd always be a swing on the ball, but he couldn't allow for it as sometimes it went left and sometimes it went right. Taking time to think about his kicking was hurting rather than helping him. Parkin advised him just to take a set number of steps back and immediately begin his run up. It cured him pretty much overnight.
Ah the Duke, never have i seen anyone kick the ground as often as him. Those ones usually went straight, albeit never more than 1m off the ground and lucky if it went 20m....but they were straight!
Cerra had 71% game time, and had 16 disposals with 4 clangers.
He was heavily strapped up and didnt move well at all. Whilst you cross the line you are deemed fit, the stats suggest he was anything but with 14 uncontested possessions and 0 inside 50's.
Was bad enough to be dropped if he was fit.
Give him 1 game grace to get back into the swing of things.
If he does it again, dropped.
Give him 1 game grace to get back into the swing of things.
If he does it again, dropped.
Paddy Dow had a statistically better game than that against Collingwood, and we had lost Weitering in that game causing us a bit of structural damage. Didnt stop him getting dropped after match in the seniors.
To go with Cerra's stats he racked up 1 tackle. Paddy had 5 and he got dropped.
Ill give players graces. Im not one to call for one bloke to be dropped at the drop of a hat, but we lost badly and we have players lining up to get in and blokes under performing. You can drop newnes too if you want, but we cant drop too many outside players without bringing in an outside player.
Forecast wet and very windy here on Sunday so won't be a pretty game and probably nullifies the advantages we have with Charlie and Harry up forward. Agree with other comments on here.....Ryan and Rioli are the 2 that could hurt us in those conditions. If it is wet/windy, not sure Kemp will hold his spot?
For me, Weitering and Owies in for Kemp and Honey.
The thing we need most with our injury issues is a bit of stability.
We don't want players in and out of the side....and there is the dilemma
Players coming back need a few games to get back up to speed.
Guys like Cera and Honey will get a bit of grace.
A player like Weitering comes back in as soon as he's able.
Lesser lights get a few games at the lower level
I suspect there is a bit of an agenda with Dow.
Either we're giving him enough exposure to keep suitor clubs interested.
They'd be aware of his performance in VFL games.
or
He has certain performance indicators that he's just not meeting, and that's not necessarily dependent on statistics such as disposals.
Paddy Dow had a statistically better game than that against Collingwood, and we had lost Weitering in that game causing us a bit of structural damage. Didnt stop him getting dropped after match in the seniors.
To go with Cerra's stats he racked up 1 tackle. Paddy had 5 and he got dropped.
Ill give players graces. Im not one to call for one bloke to be dropped at the drop of a hat, but we lost badly and we have players lining up to get in and blokes under performing. You can drop newnes too if you want, but we cant drop too many outside players without bringing in an outside player.
Paddy played in the centre. The easiest position to get tackles
Forecast wet and very windy here on Sunday so won't be a pretty game and probably nullifies the advantages we have with Charlie and Harry up forward. Agree with other comments on here.....Ryan and Rioli are the 2 that could hurt us in those conditions. If it is wet/windy, not sure Kemp will hold his spot?
For me, Weitering and Owies in for Kemp and Honey.
That still leaves us with only six defenders and that's not sustainable in good conditions. If Kemp goes out - and on form he shouldn't - Stocker has to come in.
With the expected conditions, Wet Toast getting players and form back, and their difficult to match up on forwards, I think we'll be in trouble if we go with six defenders.
That still leaves us with only six defenders and that's not sustainable in good conditions. If Kemp goes out - and on form he shouldn't - Stocker has to come in.
With the expected conditions, Wet Toast getting players and form back, and their difficult to match up on forwards, I think we'll be in trouble if we go with six defenders.
Cottrell can play as a half back if required. He's essentially playing a nullifying role most weeks anyway.
Kemp out
Obviously Weitering in
Interchange from....
[32] Jack Newnes,
[5] Adam Cerra,
[25] Zac Fisher,
[19] Corey Durdin,
[36] Josh Honey,
[40] Will Hayes,
[43] Will Setterfield,
[38] Sam Durdin
Pick 4, and a sub.
For mine
Fisher, C. Durdin, Cerra, Newnes - Setterfield sub
Interchange from....
[32] Jack Newnes,
[5] Adam Cerra,
[25] Zac Fisher,
[19] Corey Durdin,
[36] Josh Honey,
[40] Will Hayes,
[43] Will Setterfield,
[38] Sam Durdin
Pick 4, and a sub.
For mine
Fisher, C. Durdin, Cerra, Newnes - Setterfield sub
Agree...I'd probably try Hayes as the sub though just to see if he is any value.
Cottrell can play as a half back if required. He's essentially playing a nullifying role most weeks anyway.
Newnes did that against the Saints … poorly. Cottrell could too, but not as well as Kemp or Stocker, and our wingers would be under strength and under pressure, as they were against the Saints.
Who is the extra defender who rotates off the bench?? Please don't say Newnes!! Should be Stocker!
Newnes did that against the Saints … poorly. Cottrell could too, but not as well as Kemp or Stocker, and our wingers would be under strength and under pressure, as they were against the Saints.
Agreed.
WC have yet another home game advantage. We're permitted from training at OS.
On another note. I hope we get to wear our Indigenous kit to celebrate NAIDOC week. Love our guernsey
Paddy played in the centre. The easiest position to get tackles
He also had less time on ground and played his first match for the season.
No reason why cerra shouldn't build his fitness in the VFL.
He also had less time on ground and played his first match for the season.
No reason why cerra shouldn't build his fitness in the VFL.
Cerra is an AFL player, sadly Dow is a VFL player.
He also had less time on ground and played his first match for the season.
No reason why cerra shouldn't build his fitness in the VFL.
Don't think coaches rate Paddy Dow - I can see why they don't. You don't tackle you don't play.
The MC must be having a laugh!
I had this game down as a definite win but, for the first time this season, I don’t think we will win 🙁
I had this game down as a definite win but, for the first time this season, I don’t think we will win 🙁
Stop making early excuses, and don't disrespect Wet Toast because they are a much better team now than they were just 3 weeks ago.
Stop making early excuses, and don't disrespect Wet Toast because they are a much better team now than they were just 3 weeks ago.
What early excuses?
The MC stuffed up when they picked the team for last round and they did it again this round.
West Coast have gone with a smallish forward line and our six defenders in the 18 match up quite well, but who is our seventh defender? If it's Sam Durdin, who does he play on and how does he walk straight back into the 22? Kemp and Stocker are well ahead of Durdin and both are better suited to playing against the West Coast forwards. If we persist with Newnes as our seventh defender, the West Coast small forwards will have a day out.
Owies coming back into the 18 is a no brainer but how does Hayes get a spot in the extended squad? His form in the magoos has been average at best.
The bench is likely to be Cerra, Corey Durdin, Fisher and Newnes, so no seventh defender. If Sam Durdin is the sub, it can only be that there's doubts about Weitering's fitness. I expect Setterfield to be the sub and that rounds out the weakest and least balanced team we've put on the park all season.
I hope I'm wrong, but West Coast looks stronger on paper and their form is improving ominously.
What early excuses?
The MC stuffed up when they picked the team for last round and they did it again this round.
West Coast have gone with a smallish forward line and our six defenders in the 18 match up quite well, but who is our seventh defender? If it's Sam Durdin, who does he play on and how does he walk straight back into the 22? Kemp and Stocker are well ahead of Durdin and both are better suited to playing against the West Coast forwards. If we persist with Newnes as our seventh defender, the West Coast small forwards will have a day out.
Owies coming back into the 18 is a no brainer but how does Hayes get a spot in the extended squad? His form in the magoos has been average at best.
The bench is likely to be Cerra, Corey Durdin, Fisher and Newnes, so no seventh defender. If Sam Durdin is the sub, it can only be that there's doubts about Weitering's fitness. I expect Setterfield to be the sub and that rounds out the weakest and least balanced team we've put on the park all season.
I hope I'm wrong, but West Coast looks stronger on paper and their form is improving ominously.
x2
One of the aspects of having a number of injuries is that it throws an extra burden on the remaining players.
They not only have to perform their own roles but pick up the extra slack caused by a missing team-mate.
That's not such a difficult task for a week or two.
But if it's an increasing injury list over an extended period that eventually wears a side (and individuals) down.
So we need to look not just at the injury list but how players are coping with the extra responsibilities.
Just as a example, Jack Silvagni is a player who gives 110%.
He bleeds Navy Blue.
He can perform multiple roles and as such is a valuable asset.
But he's starting to show signs of a bit of wear and tear, both in his general play and his frustration levels (Opposition players just want to get in blues with him.)
That's probably playing out to some extent across the squad.
It's why games like West Coast will be challenging whatever the repective ladder positions.
Perhaps Tall Durds has been named so he can take up a key tall post down back, releasing Young into the ruck changing with TDK enabling SOJ to focus on his forward game?
I suspect the BlueBaggers who front up against the Weagles will be very different to the group who fckd up against the Aints.
I suspect the BlueBaggers who front up against the Weagles will be very different to the group who fckd up against the Aints.
Speriamo
I suspect the BlueBaggers who front up against the Weagles will be very different to the group who fckd up against the Aints.
They better. Got the Cats 5 days later....
Speriamo
Ripper... learned a new word! Like it.
What early excuses?
The MC stuffed up when they picked the team for last round and they did it again this round.
Curious. What did they stuff up last round?
I'm not sure where your recent obsession with 7 defenders comes from.
There is probably only 4-5 defenders and 'mids' making up the last couple spots anyway.
Saad and Docherty can and have both played on the wing previously to great effect.
So swapping a Cottrel/Lob into that '7' is easy enough to do as well.
Ripper... learned a new word! Like it.
My old man used say you learn something every day, its true you know.
Baggers I had exactly the same thought about Sam Durdin possibly playing down back and allowing Young to ruck in tandem with TDK. Young has been fantastic down back and would be difficult to remove him...and Durdin played one game before being injured. Darling would be a tough match up for him.
Natanui didn't dominate last week in his first game back but he is a huge bloke and represents a big danger. Also not sure who the 3rd tall defender is that goes to Waterman. He looked dangerous early last week. Have seen him dominate in a few WAFL games this year. He's a strong mark for a bloke who's not overly tall.
Natanui didn't dominate last week in his first game back but he is a huge bloke and represents a big danger.
iirc, One of TDK's very early games was against Nic Nat and against the odds, and against the predictions of all the various AFL media, TDK did very well!
Correct LP....that was over here about 3-4 years ago when he rucked on his own.
Correct LP....that was over here about 3-4 years ago when he rucked on his own.
Yep, I think Pitto played but got injured leaving TDK to go solo for the remainder.
I think I even gave TDK some votes for the effort.
Curious. What did they stuff up last round?
I'm not sure where your recent obsession with 7 defenders comes from.
There is probably only 4-5 defenders and 'mids' making up the last couple spots anyway.
Saad and Docherty can and have both played on the wing previously to great effect.
So swapping a Cottrel/Lob into that '7' is easy enough to do as well.
If you were a forward would you prefer Stocker standing you or O'Brien?
If you were a forward would you prefer Stocker standing you or O'Brien?
If you were a forward would you want to chase LoB up and down the ground all game?
If I were a forward I'd expect to see LoB on the wing!
If you were a forward would you prefer Stocker standing you or O'Brien?
Stocker hasn't even been named in the extended squad, so i can't help but think something is not right there, on the field or off.
If i'm a forward it depends on how i get my ball and/or how i influence the game.
If i'm an elite athlete that wants to run my opponent into the ground or get easy ball by him not chasing me, then i'd want stocker.
If i'm more of a stay at home type, then Lob would provide an easier opponent.
If you were a forward would you want to chase LoB up and down the ground all game?
If I were a forward I'd expect to see LoB on the wing!
It was a simple question.
It was a simple question.
Yes I get that, but it's a bit meaningless, you might as well ask who you'd rather ruck against Motlop or Fisher?
WCE have 3 dangerous smalls in Cripps, Rioli and Ryan.....and we know what Ryan can do in the air too.
Was at the game against the Pies and watched closely how hard Stocker worked on Ginnivan. He sprayed a few kicks but he was right on him and physically gave it to him all day. I'm not sure we have anyone else like that in our backline at the moment so I'm surprised that Boyd has continually got games ahead of him.
Agreed though, might be more to it than just form or match ups. From memory he took some time away from the game a year or two back?
I would hate to see him put his hand up and ask to be traded at the end of the year.
WCE have 3 dangerous smalls in Cripps, Rioli and Ryan.....and we know what Ryan can do in the air too.
I suppose the hope is that if our Mids and SFs are switched on they will pressure the ball carrier such that Weitering, Young and others intercept making the ground ball redundant. It's primarily been the way we dominate, ferocious team based pressure.
If our Mids and SFs go missing we are in trouble regardless of the opposition forward setup.
Agreed LP....reckon we've missed Owies a bit in the small forward pressure area and he and Durdin have worked well. Motlop stepped up last week and hit the scoreboard too. Having them allows Fisher to play a bit more up the ground a bit too. If it's wet n windy then it'll be a bit harder for McKay/Charlie so the smalls will be critical.
Stocker would be an automatic selection if fit for me, a spicy backpocket makes for a good defense Imho......good Carlton teams had good backpockets going back to Ian Collins, Des English, Wayne Harmes, Dean Rice, Matty Hogg.
Baggers I had exactly the same thought about Sam Durdin possibly playing down back and allowing Young to ruck in tandem with TDK. Young has been fantastic down back and would be difficult to remove him...and Durdin played one game before being injured. Darling would be a tough match up for him.
Natanui didn't dominate last week in his first game back but he is a huge bloke and represents a big danger. Also not sure who the 3rd tall defender is that goes to Waterman. He looked dangerous early last week. Have seen him dominate in a few WAFL games this year. He's a strong mark for a bloke who's not overly tall.
Great minds, eh, Surfer Dude ;D It was a long shot, though. We know our MC is pretty conservative and probably didn't want to upset the status quo too much (Tall Durds confirmed as an emergency).
That forward line of the Weagles is pretty bloody good. Apart from the obvious abilities of Kennedy and Darling all the rest are more than capable of hitting the scoreboard... Cripps, Ryan and Rioli are all dangerous. Reckon Waterman will get Plowman or Newman. Doc and Saady will have their work cut out for them. Much on the shoulders of the mids and wingers to cut off supply.
iirc, One of TDK's very early games was against Nic Nat and against the odds, and against the predictions of all the various AFL media, TDK did very well!
Good to know. Speriamo (my friends are going to get sick of me using this new addition to the vocab...) ;D ;D
Curious. What did they stuff up last round?
I'm not sure where your recent obsession with 7 defenders comes from.
There is probably only 4-5 defenders and 'mids' making up the last couple spots anyway.
Saad and Docherty can and have both played on the wing previously to great effect.
So swapping a Cottrel/Lob into that '7' is easy enough to do as well.
We have gone into every game this season with seven or eight defenders, until the Saints game.
Cottrell, O'Brien and Newnes are wingers who work from end to end and often help out in defence. They are not defenders in the mould of Williams, Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Stocker, Plowman, Kemp, Parks, Boyd, Weitering, Marchbank, Young and McDonald. With the exception of Young and Weitering, our defenders spend time on the interchange bench. If we don't have a seventh or eighth defender, one opposition forward will have an advantage.
We saw that against the Saints where players like Higgins and Butler were unmarked in their forward 50. Our defensive cohesion, which has been a strength all season, broke down because we had wingers trying to play as defenders. Ryan and Rioli will be relishing the prospect of being picked up by Cottrell, O'Brien or Newnes ::)
I should add that playing seven or eight defenders makes it possible to move Docherty or Williams to the midfield, or Kemp to the forward line.
We have gone into every game this season with seven or eight defenders, until the Saints game.
Cottrell, O'Brien and Newnes are wingers who work from end to end and often help out in defence. They are not defenders in the mould of Williams, Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Stocker, Plowman, Kemp, Parks, Boyd, Weitering, Marchbank, Young and McDonald. With the exception of Young and Weitering, our defenders spend time on the interchange bench. If we don't have a seventh or eighth defender, one opposition forward will have an advantage.
We saw that against the Saints where players like Higgins and Butler were unmarked in their forward 50. Our defensive cohesion, which has been a strength all season, broke down because we had wingers trying to play as defenders. Ryan and Rioli will be relishing the prospect of being picked up by Cottrell, O'Brien or Newnes ::)
OK, so you identified a problem, sure. What was the solution though?
Going into last week, i think there was a full 18 players unavailable. Many of them defenders.
Who would you want coming in?
Setterfield has been the sub, is he good enough? Or is he another midfielder?
Stocker has been injured and for whatever reason hasn't really impressed.
So who else?
Unfortunately, the cupboard is bare.
So blame the match committee if you want, but they can only pick who is available.
It was a simple question.
Simple questions don't necessary lead to simple answers and vice versa.
Stocker would be an automatic selection if fit for me, a spicy backpocket makes for a good defense Imho......good Carlton teams had good backpockets going back to Ian Collins, Des English, Wayne Harmes, Dean Rice, Matty Hogg.
Don't forget Bruce Comben.
Simple questions don't necessary lead to simple answers and vice versa.
I beg to differ: What’s the meaning of life? 42.
I beg to differ: What’s the meaning of life? 42.
I did say vice versa.
Yes I get that, but it's a bit meaningless, you might as well ask who you'd rather ruck against Motlop or Fisher?
Nothing like that at all.
In: Matthew Owies, Jacob Weitering
Out: Josh Honey, Brodie Kemp
MC saw what I saw with Honey, he absolutely stunk. He would have been embarrassed watching his game again. No matter how bad you're playing, if you have speed you can chase and tackle and it can get you back into the game.
OK, so you identified a problem, sure. What was the solution though?
Going into last week, i think there was a full 18 players unavailable. Many of them defenders.
Who would you want coming in?
Setterfield has been the sub, is he good enough? Or is he another midfielder?
Stocker has been injured and for whatever reason hasn't really impressed.
So who else?
Unfortunately, the cupboard is bare.
So blame the match committee if you want, but they can only pick who is available.
The simple solution is replace like with like. That is, rather than bringing Cerra in for Boyd, Stocker should have come in.
If Cerra really deserved a spot in the 22, he should have replaced a mid/small forward.
Weitering coming straight back into the team is a no brainer but he should have replaced a mid/small forward to restore the balance last week’s selections upset. Any of Cerra, Newnes, O’Brien, Cottrell and Honey could justifiably be omitted.
If Kemp had to be dropped (I’m not sure why), Stocker should have come in. As it is, we could be setting Ryan, Rioli, Petrevski-Seton and their Cripps up for easy games.
Yes I get that, but it's a bit meaningless, you might as well ask who you'd rather ruck against Motlop or Fisher?
Reminds me of questions the kids used to ask. Would you rather lose your R or L leg? Would you rather get diarrhoea or vomiting? 😂 tough questions.
The simple solution is replace like with like. That is, rather than bringing Cerra in for Boyd, Stocker should have come in.
If Cerra really deserved a spot in the 22, he should have replaced a mid/small forward.
Weitering coming straight back into the team is a no brainer but he should have replaced a mid/small forward to restore the balance last week’s selections upset. Any of Cerra, Newnes, O’Brien, Cottrell and Honey could justifiably be omitted.
If Kemp had to be dropped (I’m not sure why), Stocker should have come in. As it is, we could be setting Ryan, Rioli, Petrevski-Seton and their Cripps up for easy games.
So in both examples, you wanted Stocker in.
As mentioned, i'm not sure all is right with Stocker at present.
I'm not sure if its on-field or off, but he isn't really in the frame for selection for one reason or another.
Take him out of it and there is nobody left.
Didn't realise we haven't beaten WC in 8 years (rnd 6 2014).
Cripps to miss...Their Cripps.
https://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/1168020/cripps-to-miss-blues-clash
Rumour is Owies has re injured his calf and is out.
Honey likely replacement.
Rumour is Owies has re injured his calf and is out.
Honey likely replacement.
easy come, easy go
Cripps to miss...Their Cripps.
https://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/1168020/cripps-to-miss-blues-clash
Had a micro panic then. Whew... Cripps of the Jamie type.
Rumour is Owies has re injured his calf and is out.
Honey likely replacement.
Of our 4 emergencies only Tall Durds has fronted up for the Magoos. Edwardo Curnow looking good. What has happened to Jack Carroll... hardly touched it in the first qtr. Painters and Dockers (Port Mel) 3 gls up at the 30 minute mark of the 1st.
IF we 'bring it,' we should win well, perhaps even build some %.
So in both examples, you wanted Stocker in.
As mentioned, i'm not sure all is right with Stocker at present.
I'm not sure if its on-field or off, but he isn't really in the frame for selection for one reason or another.
Take him out of it and there is nobody left.
Actually, I wanted Kemp but it seems that he is injured (he missed the magoos game).
I’m not sure what’s going on with Stocker. He has been in good form and would have made a better balanced 22 🤔
Actually, I wanted Kemp but it seems that he is injured (he missed the magoos game).
I’m not sure what’s going on with Stocker. He has been in good form and would have made a better balanced 22 🤔
Kemp could be the travelling emergency (or the actual sub)
Rain has eased a bit today but howling westerly winds....won't be a pretty game but hopefully our midfield is up for it like we were against Freo and can dominate them.
Kemp could be the travelling emergency (or the actual sub)
Setterfield, Hayes and Honey are the emergencies.
Owies is out - Honey in(?) with Setterfield the likely sub.
Kemp is injured ... and Akuei looked pretty sore last night ::)
Team photo at the ground on IG with a young supporter and Owies not in it....Honey was...safe to assume he's playing.
Rain has eased a bit today but howling westerly winds....won't be a pretty game but hopefully our midfield is up for it like we were against Freo and can dominate them.
Reckon Ed Curnow might have been handy in these not so friendly conditions.....
Agreed EB but reckon we've got the workhorses needed.....Hewett etc.
We owe them one after that abysmal effort at the SCG...think it was last year.....WCE had about half a dozen of their best players out and still towelled us up.
Would love to see Motlop fire up in front of his home crowd and family.
Apart from Barass and Hurn they look pretty light on and inexperienced down back.
Other results have gone our way and with Brisbane losing to Essendon and Tigers and Saints losing.... we can move back up to 5th with a win. Then you could throw a blanket over the top 7 or 8 teams.
Voss is good with the one-liner. When the Fox Footy crew interviewed him just now, he said sth like,
“We’ve been big on ‘the next man in’ but I’m happy that the next man in is Weitering!”
x2
Harry and Charlie to kick 5 each...
Thats not gonna happen.
You got my cheque in the mail.?.. ;)