At the MCG on Friday night at 1950. We're going to get flogged.
Closer to the bottom 4 every week. Surely this will be a percentage booster for Melbourne. It would be a surprise if we could be closer than a 10 goal loss.
Melbourne by 50+
Yeah Melb by lots I'm affraid.
There will be 4 forced changes at least:
Hewett -> Fisher
Hollands -> Binns
Newman -> Cincotta
Kennedy -> Fogarty
Cripps -> Dow
Cerra could be suspended ?
Pack it up. Crippps will miss, Durds looked sore. Time to play Lemmey, Binns, Marchbank and host of other newbs. Club has some big list decisions to make. Let's use the remainder of the season to figure out who stays and goes.
Expectations have well and truly plummeted were honourable losses are acceptable
We need a different midfield mix. Walsh, Fish, Boyd, Dow wouldn't mind giving Owies a crack in there as well. Desperately need pace, teams running away from us at the contest and our structure behind the ball is non existent. Have nothing to lose.
Cripps will play next week. They had him running and whilst he got stepped on it was likely precaution. I reckon Newman will play too.
Why bother he's playing like a busted crab
If we could just kick goals from the opportunities we create we would suddenly be a hell of a lot more competitive. That could just shine a light and improve our morale.
If we could just kick goals from the opportunities we create we would suddenly be a hell of a lot more competitive. That could just shine a light and improve our morale.
21.41 in the last 3 games is deplorable. Make that 41.21 and how would our season be looking?
I said it last week, Ill say it again, given season is all but over, time to experiment. Lets have a look at some of Cincotta (extended run), Binns, Cowan, Akuei (Im serious), Dow, Fog, Mirkov, Lemmey (not sure what he did after 1/2 time last night).
21.41 in the last 3 games is deplorable. Make that 41.21 and how would our season be looking?
It's not the only issue, but definitely the biggest one IMO.
I remember Parkin a few years back saying that in his time in football, the skill execution in very facet of the game has improved out of sight, except goal kicking. It's a black art.
It's not the only issue, but definitely the biggest one IMO.
I remember Parkin a few years back saying that in his time in football, the skill execution in very facet of the game has improved out of sight, except goal kicking. It's a black art.
Goal kicking has been an issue at our club for decades. Across the board we are so poor at it that its beyond sad.
I said it last week, Ill say it again, given season is all but over, time to experiment. Lets have a look at some of Cincotta (extended run), Binns, Cowan, Akuei (Im serious), Dow, Fog, Mirkov, Lemmey (not sure what he did after 1/2 time last night).
Akuei is a mile off playing senior footy.
Lemmey has some skills and is a nice kick but doesn't do enough.
Binns looks a player, can kick both feet unlike most of our other players and Cincotta is my type of player for the modern game and should be in the team along with Cowan when fit.
This will be so ugly.
Sadly my son has tickets to go with his Melb supporting friend. :o
I still vividly remember the preseason game last year or the year before when we beat Melbourne and the Carlton crowd chanted VOSSY and it felt like we’d finally found our right fit. 😢
If we're serious MacG and Ed can't play again in 2023.
Bad finishing isn't our only problem. It would only paper over the cracks that are wide open. In our last 3 matches despite the result and scoreline I was already unimpressed with our method by half time.
In fact when we won this season, our wins were only ok IMHO and they covered the ills back then.
We haven't looked good all season and even our West Coast match I remember stating it was the worst dominant performance I had ever seen.
Akuei is a mile off playing senior footy.
Lemmey has some skills and is a nice kick but doesn't do enough.
Binns looks a player, can kick both feet unlike most of our other players and Cincotta is my type of player for the modern game and should be in the team along with Cowan when fit.
Many of those who ran out last night are two miles off, play Akuei, can't be worse.
Bad finishing isn't our only problem. It would only paper over the cracks that are wide open. In our last 3 matches despite the result and scoreline I was already unimpressed with our method by half time.
In fact when we won this season, our wins were only ok IMHO and they covered the ills back then.
We haven't looked good all season and even our West Coast match I remember stating it was the worst dominant performance I had ever seen.
Everyone got carried away with that West Coast win but it was a garbage game that meant nothing apart from an easy 4 points but it didnt leave me with with any feeling of assurance or confidence for the future..
Many of those who ran out last night are two miles off, play Akuei, can't be worse.
Thought he was very average vs such an undermanned Swans team...the unlisted ex Collingwood kid McMahon looks a better player and has some tricks. Binns and Cincotta were the standouts for me...
Cripps will play next week. They had him running and whilst he got stepped on it was likely precaution. I reckon Newman will play too.
Newman has a hamstring.
Bad finishing isn't our only problem. It would only paper over the cracks that are wide open. In our last 3 matches despite the result and scoreline I was already unimpressed with our method by half time.
In fact when we won this season, our wins were only ok IMHO and they covered the ills back then.
We haven't looked good all season and even our West Coast match I remember stating it was the worst dominant performance I had ever seen.
Winning ugly is something we were managing today.
You can do that by playing 'OK' and kicking straight.
It releases the pressure, and keeps you ticking along while you work out your other issues.
Now, since we can't kick straight, we are adding to our problems, not solving them.
Its created external noise, giving our players the yips and killing our confidence.
Indirectly, it has become our biggest problem.
21.41 in the last 3 games is deplorable. Make that 41.21 and how would our season be looking?
If only it’s as simplistic as this. Sure bad kicking for goal is bad footy but as the ball returns to the middle after after goal via a kick in when a point is scored to just reverse every point into goals is not correct.
We have far far bigger problems then goal kicking.
If only it’s as simplistic as this. Sure bad kicking for goal is bad footy but as the ball returns to the middle after after goal via a kick in when a point is scored to just reverse every point into goals is not correct.
We have far far bigger problems then goal kicking.
Maybe Shawny but the way I look at, we get in plenty (59 times last night) but we just dont capitalise. Teams in the 8, a quick scan shows them at:
1 Coll 42.30
2 Bris 43.36
3 PA 43.49
4 Mel 39.35
5 Stk 29.39
6 WB 35.40
7 Geel 36.37
8 Adel 35.23
Freo have made a run the last three weeks with 50.26
Goal kicking is important when you get it in as many times as we do.
Footy Wire says we are 3rd in the comp at 574 I50s
We are 18th in the comp for accuracy 46%
We are 15th in the comp for Goals per I50
My little brain says its a big problem.
And just to show the problems have existed for a while, our rank for each of those items in each previous year was:
I50 Accuracy Goals/I50
2023 3 18 15
2022 10 16 13
2021 12 15 9
2020 8 14 15
Wish I knew how to post formatted tables in this bloody thing
Maybe Shawny but the way I look at, we get in plenty (59 times last night) but we just dont capitalise. Teams in the 8, a quick scan shows them at:
1 Coll 42.30
2 Bris 43.36
3 PA 43.49
4 Mel 39.35
5 Stk 29.39
6 WB 35.40
7 Geel 36.37
8 Adel 35.23
Freo have made a run the last three weeks with 50.26
Goal kicking is important when you get it in as many times as we do.
Footy Wire says we are 3rd in the comp at 574 I50s
We are 18th in the comp for accuracy 46%
We are 15th in the comp for Goals per I50
My little brain says its a big problem.
I’m not denying it’s not an issue just think this week and last were really bad on that front so it’s in the focus but our club’s trajectory since mid last year has been downward and it’s deeper then just inaccuracy at goal.
The bulk of the list are out of form and HTF harry goes from a Coleman medalist to an absolute joke with no idea what to do with the ball in his hand is typical of our clubs lack of off field professionism and development. Our list in general is mentally so fickle and weak that I can’t ever see this list being capable of performing under real heat of big finals unless something can be re programmed in their heads.
So where to from here - having said all the negatives I still think the list is better then it’s showing and when you have a 3 time current premiership coach available as depressing as it sounds we have to be asking the question.
The Voss selection was another poor choice imo and despite our history in this area we can’t now just continue on if it’s obvious he is the wrong man. I’m tipping the club will get Voss to resign on personal matters to keep face if we can snare Hardwick.
This rebuild will be in year 9 next year - prefer to have wasted the last 18 months with the wrong coach then continue on for fear of backlash. This lists time is now and only the next 5 years just have to have the right man leading these men or it will be time to start all over again.
Winning ugly is something we were managing today.
You can do that by playing 'OK' and kicking straight.
It releases the pressure, and keeps you ticking along while you work out your other issues.
Now, since we can't kick straight, we are adding to our problems, not solving them.
Its created external noise, giving our players the yips and killing our confidence.
Indirectly, it has become our biggest problem.
Winning ugly shows character but my post was more for gi2c.
Not sure of scoring efficiency would be good or bad for us. The idea that we have better in us is what I was looking for. We do if we tidy up our execution but thats still about playing ugly and getting a result.
I was looking for more play that makes me look at a player and say wow that was good. Or wow that was smart.
Method is important. Its what you continue with when the chips are down and anchors the team when they aren't going well. We don't really seem to have much method to our play but a hit and hope and our good players will take care of it.
From what I watched of the VFL game last night, Binns should come in for Hollands? He looks okay and looks to use the ball better than most. Ed needs to be phased out unfortunately. He came on and got a bit of the ball but some of his disposal was almost laughable.
Silvagni, Fisher and Dow should all come back in and Cincotta for Newman if he doesn't get up.
I'd stick with TDK in a ruck/forward position even if that means Harry goes back to the VFL for a couple of weeks to just get some confidence back.
Everyone got carried away with that West Coast win but it was a garbage game that meant nothing apart from an easy 4 points but it didnt leave me with with any feeling of assurance or confidence for the future..
I second that.
I for one rated it as a B in the votes. Some struggled to understand why I didn't give an A. ^^^ this is why.
We have so much that needs to be corrected. At training, with the game plan, mc, analysis, and in-game strategy. Get Vossy some quality support before the fans start burning their membership papers.
And just to show the problems have existed for a while, our rank for each of those items in each previous year was:
I50 Accuracy Goals/I50
2023 3 18 15
2022 10 16 13
2021 12 15 9
2020 8 14 15
Wish I knew how to post formatted tables in this bloody thing
Ignoring goalkicking for now.
It's our i50 that gives me a bit of hope. It's how it comes out of i50 that shatters said hope. That puts pressure on our defence that we can't contain. Rinse and repeat. We run ourselves in cicles and our confidence takes a battering.
Cerra Out, 1 match ban
Cerra Out, 1 match ban
Probably the best we could expect based on recent history, but we should still demand our players maintain a more aggressive focus on the opposition, otherwise our size and strength is wasted.
Cerra is desperately unlucky to be banned over a tackle. He should have avoided tackling as his team mates do.
Pack it up. Crippps will miss, Durds looked sore. Time to play Lemmey, Binns, Marchbank and host of other newbs. Club has some big list decisions to make. Let's use the remainder of the season to figure out who stays and goes.
I don't think Lemmey is up to VFL standard yet and it would be cruel to stick him in the AFL team - the big kid needs time to develop.
I said it last week, Ill say it again, given season is all but over, time to experiment. Lets have a look at some of Cincotta (extended run), Binns, Cowan, Akuei (Im serious), Dow, Fog, Mirkov, Lemmey (not sure what he did after 1/2 time last night).
You can't be serious - Akuei wouldn't be getting a game in the VFL if he wasn't on the AFL list.
“There are no words to describe how incredibly disappointed and down right [censored] off I am.
Everyone from the coaches to the players (bar a small few) should be ashamed of this gutless performance. “
“How about we find our b#@_! And start sticking tackles”
“I need a new hobby. I’m thinking something like basket weaving”.
“I think we might just be an average team. Fwd line is non existent
general team connection just not there “
“i can’t help but think we are wasting a list”
“Play the kids. Pick up the phone to Dimma”
“Such an uninspiring team and coaching staff, everyone is down on form, backline couldn’t catch a cold , just continue to bomb into the forward 50, never lower you eyes. Such a waste of talent in this team.”
“It’s one thing losing a game when you have a rubbish list. It’s another to keep losing games with a list capable of so so much more.”
“I haven't been this angry after a loss for quite some time. Today was a [censored] joke, we never ever looked like getting to goal. There are players out there who look like downright garbage right now.”
“maybe some of the apologists here might stop making excuses for how poorly we are travelling? Are we still learning?? Maybe it's ok to follow a team who is not as terrible as we were for so many years? It's ok as long as we can beat up on 16th-18th team.”
“We’re wasting our generational talent. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm certainly angry. That was [censored].”
“We’ve become way too easy to coach against, and have no plan B. Gotta clean out the assistants too.”
“I feel stunned. To look at our team on paper we look so good. Somethings wrong and i think it has to be on the coaches heads.”
Post match on a Carlton forum? ::)
Nope...First couple of post match pages on "Demonland"
Not really looking forward to next week :(
Officially bottom 6 half way point in the season
Fun times.
Therein lies the problem with supporters in general.
This will either be a win for the ages or a 100 point loss.
This will either be a win for the ages or a 100 point loss.
I dont think it will be a smashing but we will fall short...again.
Not good enough I can handle, rubbish selections followed by a gutless effort will create a lot of heat on Voss. "Lost the players" blah blah blah
“There are no words to describe how incredibly disappointed and down right [censored] off I am.
Everyone from the coaches to the players (bar a small few) should be ashamed of this gutless performance. “
“How about we find our b#@_! And start sticking tackles”
“I need a new hobby. I’m thinking something like basket weaving”.
“I think we might just be an average team. Fwd line is non existent
general team connection just not there “
“i can’t help but think we are wasting a list”
“Play the kids. Pick up the phone to Dimma”
“Such an uninspiring team and coaching staff, everyone is down on form, backline couldn’t catch a cold , just continue to bomb into the forward 50, never lower you eyes. Such a waste of talent in this team.”
“It’s one thing losing a game when you have a rubbish list. It’s another to keep losing games with a list capable of so so much more.”
“I haven't been this angry after a loss for quite some time. Today was a [censored] joke, we never ever looked like getting to goal. There are players out there who look like downright garbage right now.”
“maybe some of the apologists here might stop making excuses for how poorly we are travelling? Are we still learning?? Maybe it's ok to follow a team who is not as terrible as we were for so many years? It's ok as long as we can beat up on 16th-18th team.”
“We’re wasting our generational talent. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm certainly angry. That was [censored].”
“We’ve become way too easy to coach against, and have no plan B. Gotta clean out the assistants too.”
“I feel stunned. To look at our team on paper we look so good. Somethings wrong and i think it has to be on the coaches heads.”
Post match on a Carlton forum? ::)
Nope...First couple of post match pages on "Demonland"
Not really looking forward to next week :(
Is this from a Melbourne forum?? 😂
Is this from a Melbourne forum?? 😂
Yep
'Demonland' after the loss to Freo.
You would probably find the same on their BigFooty branch.
Demons by 36
Could be an interesting new-look midfield if we were to be missing, Hewett, Kennedy, Cripps, Cerra and Hollands...along with Newman.
Could be an interesting new-look midfield if we were to be missing, Hewett, Kennedy, Cripps, Cerra and Hollands...along with Newman.
Oliver looks like a chance to get up for Melbourne too which isnt good news for us.....
IN: Fisher, Dow, Binns, Cincotta, Silvagni and maybe Cowan......Docherty would have to play in the midfield and by virtue of all of those going out, Ed would get another game.
IN: Fisher, Dow, Binns, Cincotta, Silvagni and maybe Cowan......Docherty would have to play in the midfield and by virtue of all of those going out, Ed would get another game.
Id use Saad up the ground this game, we need quality delivery and our best players where the action is. If they have their best regulars in the middle we need reinforcements like Docherty as you say but also Saad imo. He will have a player sitting on him down back so we might as well try and break that tag and do something different by using him as an attacking weapon.
IN: Fisher, Dow, Binns, Cincotta, Silvagni and maybe Cowan......Docherty would have to play in the midfield and by virtue of all of those going out, Ed would get another game.
Ed out is almost non negotiable for mine.
Dow has to be selected this week - never seen a player knock (bash) down the door like Paddy Dow.
Time to get creative and throw the magnets around
Out: Cripps, Newman, Holland, Hewett, Kennedy (inj) Cerra (susp) McGovern (omitted, shirks too many contests)
In Cincotta, Young, Dow, Fisher, Silvagni, Marcbank, Binns.
Cincotta Weitering Kemp
Saad Young Boyd
Acres Dow Doherty
Owies De Koning Fisher
Durdin McKay Silvagni
Pittonet C. Curow Walsh
Inter: Motlop, Marchbank, Binns Cottrell Sub Fogarty
Oliver looks like a chance to get up for Melbourne too which isnt good news for us.....
Goodwin was just on SEN and defintitely ruled him out for this week, will return the following week.
What about leaving Cripps as a permanent forward and taking him out of the middle and only rotate through there.
That would be my first go-to move. Crippa and Charlie could be a good combination
Not sure what to do with H
F: Owies Charlie TDK
HF: Motlop Crippa Fisher
What about leaving Cripps as a permanent forward and taking him out of the middle and only rotate through there.
Applaud you for the lateral thinking, but the Skipper is a worse set-shot for goal than Chris Judd was! ::)
Applaud you for the lateral thinking, but the Skipper is a worse set-shot for goal than Chris Judd was! ::)
True but couldnt be worse than Harry.
What about leaving Cripps as a permanent forward and taking him out of the middle and only rotate through there.
That would be my first go-to move. Crippa and Charlie could be a good combination
Not sure what to do with H
Yes good to move both Harry & Crippa in games when getting monstered As said in an earlier post, Harry could be a sensation at Centre Half Back
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True but couldnt be worse than Harry.
You sure about that?
Crupps was 1.9 this year I think?
Fwiw, I've suggested similar.
Have Kennedy as a forward who swaps with cripps through the middle.
That way we get the one who can kick goals playing forward most.
Yes good to move both Harry & Crippa in games when getting monstered As said in an earlier post, Harry could be a sensation at Centre Half Back
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Give Harry a run in the ruck like Brisbane does with Daniher. Nothing like running around the ground taking marks to help your confidence.
Harry is one straight kick away from a bag full of love, and all will be forgotten!
FFS, fans need to stop listening to the armchair critics, most of them are just lower profile versions of Matheison.
Let Harry get on with being Harry, after all he is a Coleman Medallist!
Harry is one straight kick away from a bag full of love, and all will be forgotten!
FFS, fans need to stop listening to the armchair critics, most of them are just lower profile versions of Matheison.
Let Harry get on with being Harry, after all he is a Coleman Medallist!
Think fans have every right to complain, if we were a Columbian soccer club the playing list would be lacking depth for reasons other than poor development..
Not sure if it's been mentioned but one take from Patrick's smack at Caroline is that he's confident he's ready to go and will be playing Friday.
'We aren't where we want to be as a team right now, but never question my commitment to this team or club.
'I can't wait for Friday night.'
Think fans have ever right to complain, if we were a Columbian soccer club the playing list would be lacking depth for reasons other than poor development..
Seriously, I might not like the plane turbulence but I'm not going to tell the former airforce pilot how to fly the plane.
In fact causing a distraction and keeping him from his job might be the worst thing I could possibly do.
See Matheison ...................... et., al!
btw., Matheison would say sack the pilot, find a better one, but you are just as likely to hire a downgrade as an improvement!
Seriously, I might not like the plane turbulence but I'm not going to tell the former airforce pilot how to fly the plane.
In fact causing a distraction and keeping him from his job might be the worst thing I could possibly do.
See Matheison ...................... et., al!
btw., Matheison would say sack the pilot, find a better one, but you are just as likely to hire a downgrade as an improvement!
Mathieson would sack the pilot mid flight and then realise he has no one to fly the plane.
Both the Mathiesons appear to reside in supporter La La Land, a safe space for those still clinging to the embarrassing view that outbursts, temper tantrums and sprays will yield the desired results.
Both the Mathiesons appear to reside in supporter La La Land, a safe space for those still clinging to the embarrassing view that outbursts, temper tantrums and sprays will yield the desired results.
I doubt they've gone away.
...and they probably have some strong support for their views in La la land.
Hopefully they don't spill out into the real world at the end of the year.
Friday 7:50pm, .............. you keep what you kill!
I think a good tactic for all this criticism might be for the coaches and Cripps especially to turn all this into
US versus Them attitude. Backs to the wall type stuff everyone’s against us but we’ll show em etc.
Don’t know if that works anymore but I know Cripps will have a photo of that uninformed bitch Wilson on his locker!
If you look at our team we will field this week compared to the one that lost by under a kick later last year i think its stronger this time around even allowing for our new injuries. This time we have Kennedy, Acres in the middle which both didn't play. Cerra and Hewitt both missed the last time as well and we still pushed them. TDK will need to play a blinder against the twin towers or they will smash us at every ball up.
They have Oliver Petty and Brown missing this time so if mentally we are up for this we may push them.
And then after being in front for most of the night we will lose it in dying minutes. Nothing surer.
Young will need to come into the team as relieving ruck/KPP for TDK
Have Kennedy as a forward who swaps with cripps through the middle.
Much better than playing him at HB
Much better than playing him at HB
He's doing well there, but i think he'd be more useful up forward.
Hewitt and Cerra would be better at HB IMO.....as well as Ed.
Given our accuracy in front of goal, i'd prefer to put blokes there who can kick......and we seem to have a shortage of them at the moment.
Young will need to come into the team as relieving ruck/KPP for TDK
Depends on how Melbourne lineup as we may need Young down back too, we didnt really have a matchup for Mclean last week and that cost us...I could see both Young and Jack back in the team.
Based on "like for like" and assuming Cripps plays
Hewett->Dow
Newman->Cinchona
Hollands->Binns
Durdin->Fogarty
Pittonet->Young
Unfortunately Ed survives due to injury toll
Based on "like for like" and assuming Cripps plays
Hewett->Dow
Newman->Cinchona
Hollands->Binns
Durdin->Fogarty
Pittonet->Young
Unfortunately Ed survives due to injury toll
Fisher is a Monty to return....reckon Fogarty who deserves a go and who I would pick may miss out.
Young will need to come into the team as relieving ruck/KPP for TDK
I'd be happy to use Harry as a relieving ruck. Get him out of the confines of the goalsquare and run around taking marks. Brisbane ruck Daniher, no reason we can't ruck Harry.
Injuries are getting worse. No Pitt or Durdin now. Fogarty gets a go EB?
A busted collar bone is probably a better result for Hollands than an AC...blown shoulder can be a career killer.
Injuries are getting worse. No Pitt or Durdin now. Fogarty gets a go EB?
A busted collar bone is probably a better result for Hollands than an AC...blown shoulder can be a career killer.
Like to see Fogarty get a chance Prof but I think Fisher will return and Ed will keep his place in the team.
Pittonet will be a loss and we might be doing the ruck Jack Silvagni experiment again. I'd run McKay on the ball for a little bit this game and see how he handles it...
Pittonet will be a loss and we might be doing the ruck Jack Silvagni experiment again. I'd run McKay on the ball for a little bit this game and see how he handles it...
Taking on 2 AA ruckmen needs someone more than JSOS. Young or McKay.
Taking on 2 AA ruckmen needs someone more than JSOS. Young or McKay.
Probably right but having Jack as that extra tall mid/follower might also be a theory that might be used. Also depends on how Melbourne want to setup and if they play an extra tall down forward and we need Young down back. I'm not a massive fan of Young's ruckwork when he was at the Dogs or what I have seen with us either.
I'd be happy to use Harry as a relieving ruck. Get him out of the confines of the goalsquare and run around taking marks. Brisbane ruck Daniher, no reason we can't ruck Harry.
That sounds good to me, also keep Young down back to take some intercepts marks, and Silvagni up forward for a goal or 2 or 3.
Id be conceding the ruck and hoping to halve those contests and roving to a losing ruck.
A bigger concern is outside run as the Melbourne have a lot of pace off the wings in Langdon and Brayshaw. Id be bringing in LOB to help Cotters and Acres there as Hollands has a big engine, and has competed well.
We should be able to match them on the inside given the absence of Oliver but Harmes, Petracca and co are not easy beats.
The key is stopping Baily Fritsch and Kosi Pickett forward.
Like to see Fogarty get a chance Prof but I think Fisher will return and Ed will keep his place in the team.
Pittonet will be a loss and we might be doing the ruck Jack Silvagni experiment again. I'd run McKay on the ball for a little bit this game and see how he handles it...
Agree, only reservation with Fog is lack leg speed. I think he does however make up for it in other areas.
Agree, only reservation with Fog is lack leg speed. I think he does however make up for it in other areas.
On his game I think Fogarty is one of the best ball users on our list, but he can be highly variable with his decisions.
Taking on 2 AA ruckmen needs someone more than JSOS. Young or McKay.
Their clearance rate isn't that good though given the class of ruck.
Someone like McKay though would be handy around the ground though.
if Lever takes 12 intercept marks and we keep kicking to his direction ,voss should be seriously look at .
if Lever takes 12 intercept marks and we keep kicking to his direction ,voss should be seriously look at .
Lever and May might believe in Christmas in June for the first time after Friday....lol.
if Lever takes 12 intercept marks and we keep kicking to his direction ,voss should be seriously look at .
Petty is a big part of that trilogy and he isnt playing...imho he is a major loss as May and Lever do the intercepting and Petty does the defending so I expect our tall forwards to do well this week.
Last time we played Melbourne Charlie kicked 1-4 and we were done over by the umpires 2:1, I particularly recall Viney getting a bunch of cheap frees for Selwood style diving, and Melksham getting away with murder, while SoJ had a shocker in D50!
Last time we played Melbourne Charlie kicked 1-4 and we were done over by the umpires 2:1, I particularly recall Viney getting a bunch of cheap frees for Selwood style diving, and Melksham getting away with murder, while SoJ had a shocker in D50!
Melksham was on his own from memory and just fed on the scraps we made for him.......some of our defenders are going to have to play some defense this week and get a bit closer to Pickett and Fritsch this week than we normally do. If we do that and Charlie and Harry kick straight we might be a chance. Im not so concerned about Gawn/Grundy as our mids can still compete well enough to offset any dominance they may have.
Funny thing about this game.
It could be career defining for some players.
Play well and it may be a turning point for some on the fringe.
For others it could be a last chance.
Funny thing about this game.
It could be career defining for some players.
Play well and it may be a turning point for some on the fringe.
For others it could be a last chance.
Tough gig coming into a side that has:
- been performing poorly.
- suffered a bunch of injuries all at once.
I have no expectations for this week. I am flat as a tack with the Blues ATM. Will just be hoping for some spirit and system to return for 4 qtrs . Will be happy with that.
I was interested in something Harry said in his latest podcast, he says those headphones he wears in the pre game warm up are not playing music, they are noise cancelling to block out the noise from the fans. That doesn't make sense to me. We often talk about how the pressure at training is different (non existent) to playing in front of crowds from a noise perspective. I've often thought that shots for goal practice at training could be done wearing headphones playing loud crowd noise to help simulate the environment (maybe they do this already). Sure the pressure of the game itself is not there but the noise would be at least. I would have thought Harry would be taking the opportunity to practice his goal kicking in the warm up with the crowd noise (and distraction) as opposed to cancelling it.
I was interested in something Harry said in his latest podcast, he says those headphones he wears in the pre game warm up are not playing music, they are noise cancelling to block out the noise from the fans. That doesn't make sense to me. We often talk about how the pressure at training is different (non existent) to playing in front of crowds from a noise perspective. I've often thought that shots for goal practice at training could be done wearing headphones playing loud crowd noise to help simulate the environment (maybe they do this already). Sure the pressure of the game itself is not there but the noise would be at least. I would have thought Harry would be taking the opportunity to practice his goal kicking in the warm up with the crowd noise (and distraction) as opposed to cancelling it.
Depends. Everyone is different.
When I was playing, I had some routines and rituals that I liked not because of anything tangible but how it made me feel. Washed, but I had my match day socks, my match day bike shorts which helped with chafing. Ultimately it was about building consistency and feeling comfortable through repeating a familiar process. Not doing it was worse, than any perceived flaws in what I was doing.
Harry's kicking has gotten worse lately, but there was a time I was confident he would convert even with the kick around the corner.
Thats gone and he's recognised the problem. His approach was inconsistent and ergo, his kicking a bit erratic. It took a couple of years of fev misfiring before he became a really straight kick because he started changing things (notably his grip on the ball) and now Harry is fixing it. Will take time but he'll finish the year better than he started.
H needs to get back to his aggressive confident self as he was in his Coleman year.
He is cringeworthy right now - going for marks with one hand just tops it off how woeful he is playing.
Someone needs to tell him - dont worry about suspensions just play with aggression and make your presence felt
Someone needs to tell him - dont worry about suspensions just play with aggression and make your presence felt
Doesn't help when the opposition can keep belting you in the head without repercussions, 3 out of the last 4 weeks BigH has come of with an eyebrow or forehead opened up.
Most opposition aren't even getting punch or spoil attempts above his elbows, but they aren't penalised for it. Some just whack him in the side of the head when they can't reach, like Moore did when we played the Filth, and they do not get penalised.
Go down the other end, and a one on one wrestle with Mihocek results in him getting a free kick for the chop of the arms, the difference is bizarre!
Apart from Pittonet, I'm not too sure the injuries hurt us too much....assuming Cripps and Kennedy play. That still gives us a midfield with Cripps, Kennedy, Cerra and Walsh.....and Docherty can play midfield at times to cover Hewett? Down back I can see Cincotta or Cowan coming in for Newman and Boyd staying back to play on one of their smaller forwards. Binns probably takes Holland's spot and Fisher replaces Durdin.
Based on his game in the VFL last week, Silvagni comes back in anyway but is it to play back up ruck....or do they play Young or even look at Mirkov this week?
Apart from Pittonet, I'm not too sure the injuries hurt us too much....assuming Cripps and Kennedy play. That still gives us a midfield with Cripps, Kennedy, Cerra and Walsh.....and Docherty can play midfield at times to cover Hewett? Down back I can see Cincotta or Cowan coming in for Newman and Boyd staying back to play on one of their smaller forwards. Binns probably takes Holland's spot and Fisher replaces Durdin.
Based on his game in the VFL last week, Silvagni comes back in anyway but is it to play back up ruck....or do they play Young or even look at Mirkov this week?
Tend to agree, Wave Rider, re replacements for injured players.
Going by Vossy's impressive media stuff today, it would seem that JSOS will assume 2nd ruck duties.
Tend to agree, Wave Rider, re replacements for injured players.
Going by Vossy's impressive media stuff today, it would seem that JSOS will assume 2nd ruck duties.
Not a huge fan of Jack rucking vs real deal ruckman like Gawn and Grundy, last time vs Collingwood he couldnt handle Cameron and they took advantage. Surely we are not dumb enough to make the same mistakes again?
Not a huge fan of Jack rucking vs real deal ruckman like Gawn and Grundy, last time vs Collingwood he couldnt handle Cameron and they took advantage. Surely we are not dumb enough to make the same mistakes again?
Agreed, with Pitto out it's time for Mirkov to come in and for him and TDK to get on their bikes and run the ageing Gawn and Grundy all over the park!
We know the Dees have already allowed Gawn to float forward to manage his ongoing issues, between he and Grundy they are probably 70% season players now, but still very good ones!
But I suspect Young will be straight back in, might depend on the weather.
Agreed, with Pitto out it's time for Mirkov to come in and for him and TDK to get on their bikes and run the ageing Gawn and Grundy all over the park!
We know the Dees have already allowed Grundy to float forward to manage his ongoing issues, between he and Grundy they are probably 70% season players now, but still very good ones!
But I suspect Young will be straight back in, might depend on the weather.
I dont mind giving Mirkov a run and having that extra big frame for Gawn and Grundy to bang into, he doesnt have to dominate, just be a nuisance and prevent them from dominating. TDK isnt a bang and crash big bodied type like Pitto and will need more relief than usual vs two big specialist rucks and we should be giving him proper help and not trying to cheat with Jack who needs to concentrate on his forward craft and find some form.
And I'd have Dow in for Ed this week too....and have him in the starting 22. We just have to try something different IMO.
Voss has confirmed Cripps will play.
Voss has confirmed Cripps will play.
Yep, but he didn't confirm Dow. In other pre match press conferences, when asked about specific players, he has generally confirmed on the spot. Not this time.
In Fisher Silvagni
No Dow
In: Alex Cincotta, Zac Fisher, Lochie O'Brien, Jack Silvagni, Lewis Young
Out: Corey Durdin (knee), George Hewett (concussion), Ollie Hollands (collarbone), Nic Newman (hamstring), Marc Pittonet (hand), Ed Curnow
In Fisher Silvagni
No Dow
Think we are a chance, they have picked an average team imho...losing McDonald and Hibberd helps us, playing their rucks at FF isnt smart imho and cant understand why they dropped Harmes who usually tags and does well against us.
50/50 game now ....
At least Ed got the lemon sars
Don't get the Dow thing, must have run over the MCs mascot.
I think Dow, Fogs and Ed not in the team is a statement - can't kick, can't play.
Dow still not selected with 5 ins. Papers well and truly stamped, sealed & ready to be delivered somewhere...
I think Dow, Fogs and Ed not in the team is a statement - can't kick, can't play.
We would field a team of 4 players if that was the case.
Dow still not selected with 5 ins. Papers well and truly stamped, sealed & ready to be delivered somewhere...
Yep...he will be another freebie to SOS and Ross Lyon to do with as they see fit.
We would field a team of 4 players if that was the case.
True but Ed, Dow and Fogs are really bad.
BTW I don't mind the statement in establishing a team culture. Have to start somewhere.
Dow should not have run over Voss' cat.
Dow probably sub
I think Dow will be sub
Dow probably sub
Sorry, should have refreshed before posting!
Bugger me ...... what does Dow have to do to get a game ???
There is something seriously wrong here right now.
Bugger me ...... what does Dow have to do to get a game ???
There is something seriously wrong here right now.
He's gone....in fact he was never here this year.
I suspect he was told he wouldn't be getting a game.
He's stuck with the task in the VFL so best of luck for the future.
Bugger me ...... what does Dow have to do to get a game ???
There is something seriously wrong here right now.
Threaten to release the photos.
He's gone....in fact he was never here this year.
I suspect he was told he wouldn't be getting a game.
He's stuck with the task in the VFL so best of luck for the future.
If he doesn't get the gig as sub this week, he may as well not bother for the rest of the year as the decision has clearly been made by those above him.
Nothing to lose.
Personally i'd rest Cripps (who will clearly not be at 100% with that ankle) and give Dow a game.
With only Tom de Koning in the ruck, we've set ourselves up to fail once again. Jack is an honest trier, but he isn't in the class of the Melbourne rucks. Mirkov mightn't be either; he's still got a lot to learn, but he is a giant and a real ruckman. Jack will just get trodden on.
I hope Ed isn't the sub: he needs a few good weeks to find form and confidence. Fog would be reasonable. Dow would also be reasonable, even though his disposal isn't good enough.
We are going to trade him out for next to nothing, which is really disappointing.
If he doesn't get the gig as sub this week, he may as well not bother for the rest of the year as the decision has clearly been made by those above him.
Nothing to lose.
Personally i'd rest Cripps (who will clearly not be at 100% with that ankle) and give Dow a game.
I think from Cripps's reply to Caroline that he 'couldn't wait until Friday' means you'd probably have to tie his legs together to stop him playing.
It'd be a bit of an anti-climax if he doesn't play and come out all fired up.
I think from Cripps's reply to Caroline that he 'couldn't wait until Friday' means you'd probably have to tie his legs together to stop him playing.
It'd be a bit of an anti-climax if he doesn't play and come out all fired up.
Sometimes you have to save players from themselves.
I've got no doubt he wants to be out there and will try his butt off to contribute as best he can.
I've also go not doubt that he is not 100%.
Then its a question of how close to it is he....and will that % mean he will be able to contribute more than a fully fit and in form player who would be desperate to prove himself, like Dow is.
I don't care if it hurts his feelings. Do whats best for the team.
Should have made Cripps sub. If it's a live game bring him on, if not don't play him and give him the week off.
Cripps mighty my iffy, I though Kennedy was hurt also and Doc didn't train (I believe) the other day so Ill say there'll be a change.
I've been critical for quite some time about Carlton giving up a first round pick for Dow, given it was known one of his problems was poor disposal by foot.
But how can the MC mark a player's papers so early in the season? Surely there has to be something else going on. It's not as though he is surrounded by players with elite foot skills.
Has some deal been done? Why would he be happy to put in consistent performances every week in the VFL unless he needs to keep some other team happy with his ability to stick out the season.
Maybe Dow isn't hitting minimal standards during skills training.
Club probably has a matrix of player attributes like strength, stamina, jump and reach, etc and Dow isn't at standard with his kicking.
Its not the end of the world - plenty of players in VFL that can find plenty of the ball but can't kick.
I've been critical for quite some time about Carlton giving up a first round pick for Dow, given it was known one of his problems was poor disposal by foot.
But how can the MC mark a player's papers so early in the season? Surely there has to be something else going on. It's not as though he is surrounded by players with elite foot skills.
Has some deal been done? Why would he be happy to put in consistent performances every week in the VFL unless he needs to keep some other team happy with his ability to stick out the season.
It can only be that the MC have all the stats, data and facts in front of them that we supporters simply don't. When they do the match analysis and look at the strategy and match ups, they have to use all that data to pick the best side for the day. Of course we can be cynical and say we know as much or more but reality is we don't. We are just requesting change for the sake of change maybe?
Pinot and GiC, your posts are quite logical. I am just unhappy that we threw away a first round pick.
Pinot and GiC, your posts are quite logical. I am just unhappy that we threw away a first round pick.
Yep I hear you there - was a weak draft that one. Probably better off to have kept Bryce Gibbs
Dow said he wanted to stay at the club and earn his way into the senior lineup after the club couldnt get a bite on him last trade period. Clearly the club have had no interest in furthering his career and are just waiting for his contract to expire and then he will be delisted.
Some of our finest development and list management, and we wonder why we are where we are on the ladder....
Pinot and GiC, your posts are quite logical. I am just unhappy that we threw away a first round pick.
C'est la vie my friend.
Dow said he wanted to stay at the club and earn his way into the senior lineup after the club couldnt get a bite on him last trade period. Clearly the club have had no interest in furthering his career and are just waiting for his contract to expire and then he will be delisted.
Some of our finest development and list management, and we wonder why we are where we are on the ladder....
As a wise man once said, you can’t polish a third (spoken with an Irish accent).
Dow wanted to stay at the club because he was contracted and no-one else wanted him. Sadly, he’s one of far too many players on our list that are marginal AFL players at best.
I don’t think that you can put that down to player development, it’s a list management failing.
Port Adelaide captain Tom Jonas has been sent back to the SANFL to find some form.
FMD ..... if it is good enough for the team sitting second on the ladder to drop their captain due to poor form surely our mob should be dropping players who aren't delivering, especially serial offenders.
As a wise man once said, you can’t polish a third (spoken with an Irish accent).
Dow wanted to stay at the club because he was contracted and no-one else wanted him. Sadly, he’s one of far too many players on our list that are marginal AFL players at best.
I don’t think that you can put that down to player development, it’s a list management failing.
I wonder whether anyone will want him this year.
I'd say he's a fair chance to be picked up.
Maybe by a list manager who has a point to prove. ;)
We may not have our 'best' side this week, but hopefully we'll see a good 'team'.
We may not have our 'best' side this week, but hopefully we'll see a good 'team'.
Reckon we can win, Dees team isn't it's strongest and they look vulnerable imo.
Bugger me ...... what does Dow have to do to get a game ???
There is something seriously wrong here right now.
I've watched most of the reserves games via live streaming this year, and dows kicking is deplorable. Last week against Sydney there was a passage of play where he was all by himself 60 metres from goal, and managed to kick the ball in between 2 targets, and the ball dribbled out of bounds .
I've watched most of the reserves games via live streaming this year, and dows kicking is deplorable. Last week against Sydney there was a passage of play where he was all by himself 60 metres from goal, and managed to kick the ball in between 2 targets, and the ball dribbled out of bounds .
If that is his stock standard ability, it beggars belief as to why we drafted him in the first place !!
I've watched most of the reserves games via live streaming this year, and dows kicking is deplorable. Last week against Sydney there was a passage of play where he was all by himself 60 metres from goal, and managed to kick the ball in between 2 targets, and the ball dribbled out of bounds .
This is my concern, as a inside stoppage player he wins heaps of footy and gets involved in chains of play, but he burns a huge percentage of the ball he uses.
It's an area of the game we are already deplorable at, which makes me question whether or not Dow can ever be selected as an upgrade on what we already have! He won't win more inside footy than Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra or Kennedy, and at his best Dow balls use is no more than equal the worst of them.
Maybe I'm being unfair, but that is what I see.
Fwiw, to be fair to Dow, SoJ got a lot of footy in his VFL appearance and burned just as much of it.
The bodgy ball use is a plague cutting through the club like case of the clap!
Glass half full. In our team tonight, we have our 5 AA reps from the last 2 years, 2 nominations (Weitering and Docherty) plus Cerra who is in the conversation. We lose Hollands an Durdin (not in our best dozen) and bring in a couple of likes. Notwithstanding form, there is still plenty of talent in the side!! (and the Ds aren't setting the world on fire!)
If the stars all align!!!!
Need to show some grit (or grinta as the Italians call it).
Need to just find a bloody way to win.
Need to get the ball in Harry's hands early so he can nail one and blow off the cobwebs.
Go Blues
Can't help but thing we've gone a bit tall down back given that Melbourne really only have Van Rooyen and one of the ruckmen as tall forwards....unless Young is in the side to purely ruck and then push back onto the resting ruckman.
I thought Binns was a tad unlucky yet we've gone back to the well with O'Brien.
We can't continue with Ed, even as sub. When he came on early last week he absolutely slaughtered the footy every time he kicked it.
Gerard Healy was saying on SEN the other night that the problem with Dow when he came to Carlton was that he didn't find the ball enough. He's clearly fixed that, but what's the point if your disposal is sh1t? Better to have quality rather than quantity...
Of all the 'ins' Lewis Young seems to be the most forunate based on last week's effort......but he has height, dare I say '2nd ruck height'. ithink you'll see Young play second banana and spend some time up forward. He may even simply shadow Grundy and go with him the whole night.
Of all the 'ins' Lewis Young seems to be the most forunate based on last week's effort......but he has height, dare I say '2nd ruck height'. ithink you'll see Young play second banana and spend some time up forward. He may even simply shadow Grundy and go with him the whole night.
Yep, I hope it's Young doing the 2nd Ruck stuff and leaving SoJ to be part of the KPF lead-up rotation.
For me if we want a 2nd ruck to trail around behind Gawn of Grundy then Young is the right player for the job.
Of all the 'ins' Lewis Young seems to be the most forunate based on last week's effort......but he has height, dare I say '2nd ruck height'. ithink you'll see Young play second banana and spend some time up forward. He may even simply shadow Grundy and go with him the whole night.
He will want to be a lot more physical and competitive than he has been in previous games .
A Grasshopper with arthritis would have more presence than he has shown recently...
A Grasshopper with arthritis would have more presence than he has shown recently...
Yep, I wonder if he is carrying an injury.
I don't recall his early games at Carlton lacking physical presence, but lately he's looked outright timid.
How much might be psychology versus health and fitness?
fwiw, I've thought as much about Cripps, he has not looked 100% all season, which is my main reason to ask him to consider the captaincy, so he can manage his body better under the huge physical load he puts it through. As a leader, the best thing he might do for the team is have a week or so off! But he won't do it while he is captain, it's not in his DNA to leave his comrades stranded on the front line!
But back to the topic on hand, it's almost a career defining moment for Young and SoJ, they can look at it as a 2nd chance, if they let it slip they may never get a 3rd!
Dow to be named as sub apparently
Yep, I wonder if he is carrying an injury.
I don't recall his early games at Carlton lacking physical presence, but lately he's looked outright timid.
How much might be psychology versus health and fitness?
fwiw, I've thought as much about Cripps, he has not looked 100% all season, which is my main reason to ask him to consider the captaincy, so he can manage his body better under the huge physical load he puts it through. As a leader, the best thing he might do for the team is have a week or so off! But he won't do it while he is captain, it's not in his DNA to leave his comrades stranded on the front line!
But back to the topic on hand, it's almost a career defining moment for Young and SoJ, they can look at it as a 2nd chance, if they let it slip they may never get a 3rd!
Cripps looks frustrated as much as anything like he cant be bothered if he loses the initial contest and his opponent gets the ball.
Doesnt seem as keen to run forward and present as a target like he did last season, not sure if thats just him or part of the game plan.
Cripps looks frustrated as much as anything like he cant be bothered if he loses the initial contest and his opponent gets the ball.
Doesnt seem as keen to run forward and present as a target like he did last season, not sure if thats just him or part of the game plan.
Last year it worked for Cripps because he was basically told he didn't need to chase and teammates were covering for him.
This was made easier by the amount of time he spent forward.
This year his forward work, ie kicking for goal, has been very average and we are playing a very tall side, so the luxury of him going forward ends up hurting us up forward, and through the midfield.
I know you've seen my suggestion of giving Harry a week off and letting Kennedy/Cripps sharing forward duties to mix things up. Obviously with all our outs from last week, its far from an ideal week to try it, but its something we should look into more.
Personally, even with the injuries, i would've given Cripps the week off and played Dow for a full game.
If that is his stock standard ability, it beggars belief as to why we drafted him in the first place !!
I agree.
The debate is always recruiting vs development and it's hard to say in this case.
No doubt Dow played his best and fairly decent football under Bolton.
The flip side is, silvagni has many many misses for 2 clubs. Let's see what he does at saints.
Is it the chicken or the egg?
This is my concern, as a inside stoppage player he wins heaps of footy and gets involved in chains of play, but he burns a huge percentage of the ball he uses.
It's an area of the game we are already deplorable at, which makes me question whether or not Dow can ever be selected as an upgrade on what we already have! He won't win more inside footy than Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra or Kennedy, and at his best Dow balls use is no more than equal the worst of them.
Maybe I'm being unfair, but that is what I see.
Fwiw, to be fair to Dow, SoJ got a lot of footy in his VFL appearance and burned just as much of it.
The bodgy ball use is a plague cutting through the club like case of the clap!
Silvagni had an absolute shocker last week. The amount of dropped marks fumbling etc was embarrassing. He wouldn't of been picked if everyone was healthy. We need to move on from this type of c/d grade " tryer"
It's actually laughable how much latitude he gets in the media , based on his surname.
Last year it worked for Cripps because he was basically told he didn't need to chase and teammates were covering for him.
This was made easier by the amount of time he spent forward.
This year his forward work, ie kicking for goal, has been very average and we are playing a very tall side, so the luxury of him going forward ends up hurting us up forward, and through the midfield.
I know you've seen my suggestion of giving Harry a week off and letting Kennedy/Cripps sharing forward duties to mix things up. Obviously with all our outs from last week, its far from an ideal week to try it, but its something we should look into more.
Personally, even with the injuries, i would've given Cripps the week off and played Dow for a full game.
Id use Kennedy as a target up forward in a full time role and play Dow as a FT mid...Jack wouldnt have played this week if I was on the MC. Did see your idea on Harry and I like lateral thinking but I'm looking at Melbourne without Petty this week and thinking I'm going to give Harry one more chance to atone for his previous inconsistencies and try and exploit Melbourne being shorter down back and force May and Lever to play on a man rather than just intercept and rebound..
Word is Doc out, Dow into 22
Word is Doc out, Dow into 22
It's floating on a couple of facebook pages....treat it with care and wait for something official. They might be feeding off one another.
Word is Doc out, Dow into 22
Backs well and truly against the wall if true.
Backs well and truly against the wall if true.
Good Carlton teams would love it and respond accordingly......big stage, everything going against us and maligned players everywhere. This is where you find out who can play and fight harder.
Interesting from fb. Unsure if accurate, but Dow's DE at 68 this year isn't what I expected based on the commentary.
AFL round 12: Melbourne v Carlton, latest scores, team news
Paddy Dow is expected to get a chance to prove himself on the big stage tonight when Carlton face Melbourne at the MCG. (Jay Clark Herald Sun)
Carlton fringe midfielder Paddy Dow is expected to be named as the Blues’ substitute for Friday night’s clash against Melbourne.
Dow, 23, was named as an emergency for the mist-win game but is expected to be named as the sub one hour before the bounce.
The ballwinner has been prolific in the VFL this year but was surprisingly overlooked when Carlton named its starting 22 to face the Demons at the MCG.
Carlton brought in five players for the game, including Lochie O’Brien and Zac Fisher, after the Blues were hard-hit by injury in the loss to Sydney Swans last weekend.
It is widely expected Dow, who has not played a game so far this season, will seek a fresh start at a new club at season’s end.
St Kilda is interested in adding Dow, as well as Carlton big man Tom De Koning and Port Adelaide defender Miles Bergman.
Dow was taken pick three in the 2017 national draft by former Carlton list boss Stephen Silvagni who has since taken over as Saints’ list chief.
PADDY DOW'S 2023 VFL SEASON
Games: 9
AVERAGES
Disposals: 31.7
Ranking points: 122
Disposal efficiency: 68.4%
Inside 50s: 6.2
Contested possessions: 15.7
Marks: 3.9
Clearances: 8
Score involvements: 7.6
Tackles: 4.6 (SB)
Good Carlton teams would love it and respond accordingly......big stage, everything going against us and maligned players everywhere. This is where you find out who can play and fight harder.
100% agree, I said it earlier, its grit we need. Old fashioned determination to show some fight and find a way.
Interesting from fb. Unsure if accurate, but Dow's DE at 68 this year isn't what I expected based on the commentary.
DE% is one of the most skewed stats going around.
For a back kicking sideways all game under little to no pressure, they go at around 80-90%.
For an outside mid, you expect that to be 70-80%
For an inside mid, going at around 40% is plausible if majority of their contested possessions are in a pack under duress.
Of course the strength of the opposition, the weather and length of time played in any given position skews that dramatically....not to mention their handball to kick ratio. A lot easier to find a target with a handball.
The best judge of a persons ability to kick is to use your eyes.
Most people watching Dow can see that he fails to hit targets that most people should....including when he's in open space.
I guess we'll see soon enough if he's up to AFL standard......yet....tonight.
Dow is the sub apparently.
I hope he comes on in the last quarter and gets a few touches against a thoroughly demoralised and dispirited Demons team :)
Dow is the sub apparently.
I hope he comes on in the last quarter and gets a few touches against a thoroughly demoralised and dispirited Demons team :)
So Docs out there (anyone at the game)?
So Docs out there (anyone at the game)?
Confirmed by a friend at the ground, Doc is out there warming up.
Yep Dow sub, and no mention of Docherty missing on the AFL website. Looks like he's good to go.
Would love to see Dow come on and make an impact and help us get over the line. For all his faults, he's worked his bum off in the VFL....I'll probably be screaming obscenities at the TV if he starts turning it over but fingers crossed.
Media smashing us for not playing Dow, we name him as sub and John Ralph just showed all his clangers from the VFL last week lol.
Would love to see Dow come on and make an impact and help us get over the line. For all his faults, he's worked his bum off in the VFL....I'll probably be screaming obscenities at the TV if he starts turning it over but fingers crossed.
Pretty sure there'll be plenty of opportunities to communicate rigorously with your tv. I've been hoarse after the last few games 😉
Media smashing us for not playing Dow, we name him as sub and John Ralph just showed all his clangers from the VFL last week lol.
Here is the John Ralph breakdown of his game last week....(i watched it about 10 times to get the quote spot on)
"17 kicks
a single kick hit the target.
6 clangers
5 ineffective kicks
6 long kicks which didn't hit a target
The Carlton view is that he doesn't use the ball well.
He is not very quick.
He doesn't help with their weaknesses in transition run and mid/forward connection.
So tonight they have picked a quick side full of runners
They will not offer him a contract at the end of the season.
He will become a delisted free agent and then he will get to a club, potentially St. Kilda...
Marc Murphy's tip.
Blues by 25 😊
Friend at the ground reckons H didn't miss a shot in the warm up. Lets see if it translates.
Maybe the white jersey will help us hit targets
Maybe the white jersey will help us hit targets
It looks good. I would get one if I was 20 years younger.
Kemp let off the hook.
Ok Kemp can't go with Fritz