We play Saturday at 14:05 in Werribee.
Team sheet not yet available, but Mirkov won't be there; he's having heart surgery!
Interesting to see if we play 2 rucks: hopefully one won't be Jack!
OFFICIAL: Carlton Reserves has named its team for tomorrow's clash with Werribee!
B: D. Akuei, L. Young, J. Silvagni
HB: L. Cowan, Z. Fisher, L. Plowman
C: J. Binns, G. Hewett, L. O'Brien
HF: J. Honey, J. Carroll, J. Motlop
F: L. McMahon, B. Crocker, H. Lemmey
R: H. O'Keeffe, P. Dow, E. Curnow
INT: H. Sinnott, H. Ramshaw, P. Dozzi, L. Parks, N. Cahill
From that list at least the sub for the firsts will come out and perhaps an injury cover emergency, or they may play that emergency at least part of the 2s game given the firsts are the next day - if it were Ed he could play 2 full games i reckon, he hasnt lost much of his endurance!
We'll have 16 AFL listed players. Is that a record? I guess it speaks to relative health and playing in Melbourne.
Go Blues
Can't wait to see how Fisher goes at Centre Half Back
Could be the KPD we're looking for ;) :D
Can't wait to see how Fisher goes at Centre Half Back
Could be the KPD we're looking for ;) :D
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Look like some players are being trialled in new positions. Good move.
Looks like Dow is being trialled for left right out
Thanks for the list, blueianh, much appreciated.
B: D. Akuei, L. Young, J. Silvagni
HB: L. Cowan, Z. Fisher, L. Plowman
C: J. Binns, G. Hewett, L. O'Brien
HF: J. Honey, J. Carroll, J. Motlop
F: L. McMahon, B. Crocker, H. Lemmey
R: H. O'Keeffe, P. Dow, E. Curnow
INT: H. Sinnott, H. Ramshaw, P. Dozzi, L. Parks, N. Cahill
[1] One of Binns, Young and Curnow will be the 'travelling emergency', so they won't play. That may require another warm body. Interesting to see who that may be. Another ruck? O'Keefe is the only named ruck, although Akuei can pinchhit there. Lemmey too, come to think of it. Lemmey moved around quite nicely when he was rucking.
[2] As Dow isn't mentioned, he's almost certainly the sub. Maybe a little lucky: he had 7 possessions in a quarter and a half. Then again, maybe he can take the bull by the horns.
[3] Cowan can't be far away; he was pretty good last week. Plowman as well.
[4] Carroll is named. Hope he is right to go. He needs to start producing if he's going to make it (and I have serious doubts over that at this time).
[5] Be very interested to see if Jack plays in defence. Could be an interesting experiment.
Akuei needs to go fulltime footballer has all the ticks we need ,tall and Quick but lacks footy capabilities he reminds me of 2 yr old race horse hope it works out for him and club
Fisher spending a lot of time back, and taking some of the kick-ins
A point in front at 1/4 time.
Binns has 11 disposals
No plowman ?
Werribee 6-6-42 leading Carlton 5-7-37 at half time
Binns 19
Hewett 13
Fisher 13
Just an observation...and it may be off the mark.
We're in front, but I think we're pretty lucky to be there.
It's on the back of some good individual efforts.
On the other hand Werribee look much more composed and cohesive.
They play more as a 'team'
Our efforts are probably a bit reflective of our senior side.
Young has taken some good intercept marks and Jack (playing in defence) has been solid. Second efforts really good, but you wouldn't expect less.
Out to a handy lead 10-8-68 to 7-9-51 now but Werribee have the breeze in the last.
Binns up to 26
Hewett 20
Binns has been good but I like Ramshaw and Cahill in terms of AFL senior potential.
Jack has been ok down back but his kicking can be ordinary and when you are slower than most he has to hit targets everytime.
Young....been intercepting across half back has a casual approach to disposing fo the ball and needs to improve that area of his game. I wouldnt be selecting either Jack or Young based on todays game.
Carroll has played a ok 3rd quarter and shows some smarts but he needs to play 4 quarters and do it every week.
Okeefe is a trier in the ruck and while very raw he has some potential...
Akuei doesnt impress me and lacks composure, just no awareness or nous and loses too many contests he should win, not even a VFL player imo and more a suburban footballer in training.
Hewett...done some ok things but nothing telling me he needs to be picked next week in the seniors..
Fisher as a defender...kicked the ball ok and had a few possessions but not for me and he is still in limbo as far as finding a permanent role on our list that you can rely on him each week.
Young....been intercepting across half back has a casual approach to disposing fo the ball and needs to improve that area of his game. I wouldnt be selecting either Jack or Young based on todays game.
It's quite bizarre these two go into the VFL and look rushed and panicked when taking possession, they both look physically bigger than the opposition yet they do not look calm or composed. Last quarter heat they play hot potato type football, bombing it long and fumbling the footy, it's so disappointing. Cowan and Binns look much better, but Binns is pretty lightweight for the step up to AFL.
From today, regardless of how the game ends, Cowan or Fisher look to be the only likely selections.
Why the feck would a AFL experienced player like LoB offload a dodgy look away handball on the D50 with scores tied?
Right there is why Carlton is NFG!
Why the feck would a AFL experienced player like LoB offload a dodgy look away handball on the D50 with scores tied?
Right there is why Carlton is NFG!
Lair
It was terrible.
Werribee win by six points
Similar problems to the seniors.
The O'Brien one was a shocker by they were missing targets with short handballs all day.
Why the feck would a AFL experienced player like LoB offload a dodgy look away handball on the D50 with scores tied?
Right there is why Carlton is NFG!
Because he isnt good enough on a regular basis and even in the twos turns the ball over...delist.
Today is the problem for some of our "AFL" types, Werribee are the Dad's Army of the VFL, well drilled but still long standing has-beens who today showed up our 1/2-full side of 24x7 AFL types how to use the footy.
Because he isnt good enough on a regular basis and even in the twos turns the ball over...delist.
I'm afraid that is the reality, as much as he's elite runner it's pointless if you make all that effort to get the footy and turn it over.
But he's not alone
@ElwoodBlues1, and it's quite sad when you think about what we see today.
Luke Power is one of the nicest blokes in football, but he must be consider going postal after a game like today.
The problems we have existed long before any of the current coaches were in place, they've probably be appointed and tasked to implement a fix, but I can't see it happening with the players we've got. There is just no point sacking coaches when what we saw today is "The Talent" they have to work with!
I wonder what SOS will do it comes to pass that on a future occassion Ross the Boss tears his boy a new one?
Why the feck would a AFL experienced player like LoB offload a dodgy look away handball on the D50 with scores tied?
Right there is why Carlton is NFG!
Poor coaching
Binns has been good but I like Ramshaw and Cahill in terms of AFL senior potential.
Binns was a funny one.
I had the stats sheet open in a window alongside the coverage.
I'd take a look at it every now and then and see Binns had got another couple.
But I must have blinked, because I kept missing them.
Now with the limited cameras and coverage, and my poor eyesight, that's probably understandable.
But is he impacting with those possessions?
Poor coaching
I sincerely doubt Luke Power or Michael Voss told any Carlton listed player to offload the pill like it's cyanide coated!
As fans we need to stop making excuses for these players, you might write off the incidents at AFL level due to the step up in pressure, but when you see the very same at VFL against a team that is represented by father time then our lot just aren't good enough!
Despite being ineffective, at least Motlop looks competitive at VFL level, but he needs a season of that to get his ship righted.
Cowans was good, probably our best defender.
Young guarded space and needs trading, he's not taking us forward as he's 200cm but plays like a outside back pocket.
Fisher was OK in a bruise free role but I can't see him displacing any of the current crew.
SoJ is in a world of pain.
I sincerely doubt Luke Power or Michael Voss told any Carlton listed player to offload the pill like it's cyanide coated!
As fans we need to stop making excuses for these players, you might write off the incidents at AFL level due to the step up in pressure, but when you see the very same at VFL against a team that is represented by father time then our lot just aren't good enough!
I was being sarcastic
I was being sarcastic
I'm so jaded these days I can no longer tell!
A potential problem for our club, is that when we make such sarcastic statements I suspect there are numpties who believe it to be true!
I can't tell either, anymore :(
I only saw bits and pieces but from what I saw, Principal LODS was on the money with a team that looked like a team... too much individualism with our blokes. We didn't, again, adapt to the windy conditions from what I saw...
Werribee win by six points
Similar problems to the seniors.
The O'Brien one was a shocker by they were missing targets with short handballs all day.
Even in the 2s he can find new ways to disappoint us on a weekly basis. Who did the intel on him to take him at pick #10 - Stevie Wonder?
Binns was a funny one.
I had the stats sheet open in a window alongside the coverage.
I'd take a look at it every now and then and see Binns had got another couple.
But I must have blinked, because I kept missing them.
Now with the limited cameras and coverage, and my poor eyesight, that's probably understandable.
But is he impacting with those possessions?
Its a good point and to be honest he is a neat kick but doesnt have a long penetrating leg but he does get the ball and knows his limitations. I did see him get caught and also get hurried with his disposals and if thats happening at VFL level then AFL senior level is going to test him in terms of being able to think quicker and get rid of the ball effectively but I think he is capable of the transition if he has better players around him.
We had 13 listed players vs the burbs boys in Werribee and it wasnt a flash perfomance from our blokes but Binns was one of the few who showed the way for our team and for a young bloke in his first season Id be happy with how he is tracking.
Ditto for Cowan who is prepared to take players on and be creative as well as attend to his opponent, like the seniors though Im not sure our kids really get enough support and its more a group of individuals playing rather than a team who are there for each other and Voss and Power have their work cut out in this area.
I sincerely doubt Luke Power or Michael Voss told any Carlton listed player to offload the pill like it's cyanide coated!
As fans we need to stop making excuses for these players, you might write off the incidents at AFL level due to the step up in pressure, but when you see the very same at VFL against a team that is represented by father time then our lot just aren't good enough!
Despite being ineffective, at least Motlop looks competitive at VFL level, but he needs a season of that to get his ship righted.
Cowans was good, probably our best defender.
Young guarded space and needs trading, he's not taking us forward as he's 200cm but plays like a outside back pocket.
Fisher was OK in a bruise free role but I can't see him displacing any of the current crew.
SoJ is in a world of pain.
A good assessement of the players LP and its a mish mash of individual problems with players coupled with a lack of team bonding.
Its a group of players scared to do anything else but play safe and its the kids like Binns and Cowan who take the game on who stick out but how long will it be before they aere infected with the play it safe virus and look after yourself first attitude.
You want to see some team defense, team goals and players all running and combining and yes you will get errors but it was Werribee doing that today and our blokes just playing safe like their careers depended on making no mistakes.
I'm afraid that is the reality, as much as he's elite runner it's pointless if you make all that effort to get the footy and turn it over.
But he's not alone @ElwoodBlues1, and it's quite sad when you think about what we see today.
Luke Power is one of the nicest blokes in football, but he must be consider going postal after a game like today.
The problems we have existed long before any of the current coaches were in place, they've probably be appointed and tasked to implement a fix, but I can't see it happening with the players we've got. There is just no point sacking coaches when what we saw today is "The Talent" they have to work with!
I wonder what SOS will do it comes to pass that on a future occassion Ross the Boss tears his boy a new one?
JSOS would have more leg speed around him at Stkilda and their small forwards are their strength so Jacks leg speed wouldnt be such an issue imo.....Membrey is coming to the end and cant stay on the park due to injury and I see Jack as a direct replacement.
Geez Werribee is a good VFL team - Barlow has them playing like committed psychos.
JSOS would have more leg speed around him at Stkilda and their small forwards are their strength so Jacks leg speed wouldnt be such an issue imo.....Membrey is coming to the end and cant stay on the park due to injury and I see Jack as a direct replacement.
I just can't see him at St Kilda.
It would be a monumental mistake on his and SOS's part.
How would it be trying to find your feet in a playing group where your dad is the one making decisions regarding your team-mates and friend's futures.
How would you go coming in and perhaps displacing someone already on the list.
It would be seen as a 'job for the boy'.
The relationships with coaches and other football personnel and the list manager would be under pressure.
The best thing they could do would be to get some clear air from one another and if Jack's future is not at Carlton a club like the Gold Coast would be my idea of a good option.
He could create his own story rather than being a 'JSOS'
Why the feck would a AFL experienced player like LoB offload a dodgy look away handball on the D50 with scores tied?
Right there is why Carlton is NFG!
Jason Tutt Mkll
I've been hoping to see LOB take the next step in his game. Unfortunately I don't see it happening now. At least not on our list. Time to say goodbye and delist oneself like the former player.
I just can't see him at St Kilda.
It would be a monumental mistake on his and SOS's part.
How would it be trying to find your feet in a playing group where your dad is the one making decisions regarding your team-mates and friend's futures.
How would you go coming in and perhaps displacing someone already on the list.
It would be seen as a 'job for the boy'.
The relationships with coaches and other football personnel and the list manager would be under pressure.
The best thing they could do would be to get some clear air from one another and if Jack's future is not at Carlton a club like the Gold Coast would be my idea of a good option.
He could create his own story rather than being a 'JSOS'
I agree, reckon Jack is better off away from his father but I still think the Saints will make a play for him. At the other end of extremes is Essendon, Dodo made a play for JSOS when he was drafted...more to take the piss out of SOS who is a mate but I reckon if he had a chance he would try again. Dont see Jo Silvagni and the Silvagni clan wanting her son interstate...its not far from Ikon Park to Windy Hill either...
I agree, reckon Jack is better off away from his father but I still think the Saints will make a play for him. At the other end of extremes is Essendon, Dodo made a play for JSOS when he was drafted...more to take the piss out of SOS who is a mate but I reckon if he had a chance he would try again. Dont see Jo Silvagni and the Silvagni clan wanting her son interstate...its not far from Ikon Park to Windy Hill either...
I wouldn't be surprised if Essendon had a crack either.
We can't get into Jack's mind to know what he's feeling.
We don't know the impact of his father's falling out with the club on his thoughts about his future.
Mum probably wouldn't want him to move too far away, but mums are mums...and Jack's not a young'un anymore. He'll be 26 next year.
Maybe it's time to fly the coop...there is the issue of his partner to consider
But staying around in the bubble of Melbourne at club's like St Kilda or Essendon would mean a bit of a focus on him.
An expansion club, with little history and tradition could benefit from someone like Jack.
He could be part of building that club and not burdened by the Silvagni name,
I wouldn't be surprised if Essendon had a crack either.
We can't get into Jack's mind to know what he's feeling.
We don't know the impact of his father's falling out with the club on his thoughts about his future.
Mum probably wouldn't want him to move too far away, but mums are mums...and Jack's not a young'un anymore. He'll be 26 next year.
Maybe it's time to fly the coop...there is the issue of his partner to consider
But staying around in the bubble of Melbourne at club's like St Kilda or Essendon would mean a bit of a focus on him.
An expansion club, with little history and tradition could benefit from someone like Jack.
He could be part of building that club and not burdened by the Silvagni name,
You'd think GWS could be a landing spot for him as his father worked there previously, so i'm sure he knows his way around the traps.
Of course, that could work against them if he thinks the facilities are not up to scratch.