The Matildas looked like they had given up after Nigeria scored it's first goal, not handling the pressure may be the reason!
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 31, 2023, 10:06:56 pm
Stunning performance by the Matildas tonight, 4-0 vs the Canada the Olympic champs.
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Post by: LoveNavy on July 31, 2023, 10:16:33 pm
Carlton-like performance. Clinical, composed, comprehensive against the league's best team 👏🏼
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: laj on August 12, 2023, 07:31:46 pm
This game has ebbed and flowed. Had chances. France have been better during the end of normal time and extra time, look fresher, whereas as Australia were better before that. Looks like heading to penalties.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: kruddler on August 12, 2023, 07:32:52 pm
This game has ebbed and flowed. Had chances. France have been better during the end of normal time and extra time, look fresher, whereas as Australia were better before that. Looks like heading to penalties.
They were supposedly showing the game at the MCG.
Whats going to happen now. Penalties while our game is under way?
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: laj on August 12, 2023, 07:46:58 pm
Whats going to happen now. Penalties while our game is under way?
Certainly is. The shootout is on now. Both sides have missed one penalty each after 3 kicks.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: laj on August 12, 2023, 07:50:19 pm
This penalty for the Aussie win.....and she bloody missed!
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: laj on August 12, 2023, 07:59:24 pm
Kicking for the win again for the umtheenth time................and bloody missed again!
How many chances do they want!
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Post by: laj on August 12, 2023, 08:00:24 pm
French miss again! Surely we get it this time! This is the longest shootout ever!
EDIT: Australia win!!!!!!
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Post by: LoveNavy on August 12, 2023, 08:01:46 pm
Steely win
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Post by: Micky0 on August 12, 2023, 08:39:27 pm
Amazing at the G, even tho the Carlton game was on, everyone was turned around trying to see that tvs in the corporate boxes, amazing atmosphere when we won 🌟
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LP on August 15, 2023, 12:55:40 pm
I don't get the day off shizen, it's just going to hurt small business that can't afford it.
If the Feds and States want to celebrate, why not just take the funds they would have wasted on paying government staff for a day off that most people do not want, and allocate it to women's sport so the never ending resource battle between men and women is diminished!
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 15, 2023, 04:44:36 pm
England tomorrow night, big challenge. Can they get it done? Lets hope there's more misery inflicted on the Poms by an Aussie team. Go Tillys.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LP on August 16, 2023, 09:56:34 pm
Well done Matildas, put on a great show, very sad.
Game played out exactly as many experts suggested, Pommie team full of one touch stars, in the big moments that little bit of extra polish matters.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LoveNavy on August 16, 2023, 10:03:08 pm
Just a microsecond off the pace and skill execution from the get go. Unfortunately.
Great effort in the series Matildas 👏🏼 Inspired the next generation of budding players.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Thryleon on August 16, 2023, 10:17:55 pm
England looked a class above. The girls played with the grit that sees Australian athletes be competitive but there is no harm being beaten by a better side.
Carpenter would like to have had that second goal again. Tried to feck around with it rather than just knocking it out.
Thats football.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 16, 2023, 10:27:09 pm
England looked a class above. The girls played with the grit that sees Australian athletes be competitive but there is no harm being beaten by a better side.
Carpenter would like to have had that second goal again. Tried to feck around with it rather than just knocking it out.
Thats football.
They aren't European Champions for nothing, too classy across the field. Felt for Carpenter, she lost her way for a few crucial seconds. The 3rd goal was weak as piss by the Aussies, the English girl virtually walked it in unchallenged from the centre to almost the box and laid it off to Russo who knocked it in. The Maltidas will learn a lot from that loss, I think England go on and win it.
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Post by: kruddler on August 16, 2023, 10:39:30 pm
Never looked like we'd win it. Brilliant effort from Kerr to do her best, but not even she can outclass a team that good.
I reckon we'd take that if offered at the start of the tournament though.
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Post by: Thryleon on August 17, 2023, 10:07:36 am
They aren't European Champions for nothing, too classy across the field. Felt for Carpenter, she lost her way for a few crucial seconds. The 3rd goal was weak as piss by the Aussies, the English girl virtually walked it in unchallenged from the centre to almost the box and laid it off to Russo who knocked it in. The Maltidas will learn a lot from that loss, I think England go on and win it.
Hemp was a lot better in that moment than you give her credit for. She drew in an opponent and threaded a perfectly weighted ball. The finish sublime. With Australia pushing for an equaliser they committed numbers forward and left the defense unprotected and you saw the English defenders do similar for Kerr's forward run.
The reality is it's the hardest thing to get right, stay or go. That through ball needs to be perfectly weighted and the run from the attacker perfectly timed or the ball goes to the keeper and attacker offside.
Kerr is a gun but she ultimately cost the game snatching at a shot that she would put away 95% of the time and should have made it 2-2 a minute earlier. That's football.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: madbluboy on August 17, 2023, 10:23:59 am
Referee was terrible, set the tone early allowing blatant fouls, do they only get the cards out if you stomp on someone in the women's comp?
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Post by: PaulP on August 17, 2023, 10:54:06 am
Referee was terrible, set the tone early allowing blatant fouls, do they only get the cards out if you stomp on someone in the women's comp?
I was actually expecting us to be the more physical team, but it looked like we were worried about fouling, probably a function of the other night when the French opposition spent every other second flopping.
It seems to be an ongoing balance soccer fails to get correct, one game is overloaded with flops the next opponents leave the field battered and bruised without a foul. Perhaps we missed a trick with the US Referee versus a European or Sth American Referee.
Even so the Pommies were too good, too strong across the board they had no weak spots. Our coach sort of predicted this result, based on the amount of work we had to do to get there, it seems in this tournament doing the work early brings a real benefit!
Kerr truly looks a class above, I don't get why some people think she is not the best in the game, and how it can be that she is not the highest paid. She made the best defence in the world game look ordinary and could easily have ended up with a brace in a World Cup game!
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LP on February 26, 2025, 09:35:26 am
I do understand the controversy surrounding Marty Sheargold's Matildas comments, but there are aspects of it I do not get. The bluntness with which Sheargold delivered that assessment is probably offensive, but only outside of the context of being comedic. The reaction of his organisation is part of the modern problem, I'm not sure where that will head long term, and the hypocrisy of those organisations is on display in the scheduled broadcasts, they do not walk the talk.
I get the perception / assertion from Sheargold that the women's sport is lacking in professional performance levels, many of the women I know who have an interest in sport say the same. that it is hard to watch and some even refuse to watch it.
I also get that professional female sport has to start somewhere, however equal pay and equal coverage seems at best premature, is it justified at the moment, is this a chicken and egg debate?
Much of the controversy seems to rise from the idea of equal pay for equal work, but in terms of sport there is a clear difference in performance, no matter how some want to spin it. There are two types of elite, elite relative to peers and elite in an unrestricted comparison.
Can women's sport compete with men's sport as a general spectacle? Well as far as I can tell it can't if the comparison is to remain unrestricted, but if the comparison is exclusively relative to other female sport then fans should understand the differences.
The error perhaps isn't driven by the sport becoming commercial too soon, but the expectation that it will be or is unrestrictedly comparable to men's sport.
An associate made a nice analogy the other day while discussing female tradespeople. She said as long as the resulting work is comparable she will actively discriminate to promote more females in the workplace, but she recently baulked at quotes because in the detail they weren't equal. The girls, in this case plumbers, were charging / quoting the same hourly rate, same materials, same solution, but wanted almost twice as long to complete the job.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Lods on February 26, 2025, 11:03:15 am
Much of the controversy seems to rise from the idea of equal pay for equal work, but in terms of sport there is a clear difference in performance, no matter how some want to spin it. There are two types of elite, elite relative to peers and elite in an unrestricted comparison.
Can women's sport compete with men's sport as a general spectacle? Well as far as I can tell it can't if the comparison is to remain unrestricted, but if the comparison is exclusively relative to other female sport then fans should understand the differences.
The error perhaps isn't driven by the sport becoming commercial too soon, but the expectation that it will be or is unrestrictedly comparable to men's sport.
I don't watch a lot of women's football of any code. If the AFLW is on I might watch a bit. If the Carlton women are playing.. perhaps a bit more But over a season I'll miss more games than I see. While most of these football codes have had women playing for some time, it's only recently they've moved to a more elite level. Things like speed, skill and pressure are still noticeably way off the men's game.
Two sports I enjoy watching women competing in are swimming and track and field. While the men's performances are still superior to women's there is not a great deal of difference in technique. In training the women athletes/swimmers work just as hard as men and dedicate a similar number of hours to that preparation. They have been doing so for nearly 100 years.
I would guess that's the same with Womens tennis. It's very popular, and has been so since I was a lad.
It goes without saying that the skill gap between men and women footballers will narrow, and while it will never be the same, it will be significantly closer than it is now.
More than anything the football codes probably just need time.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LP on February 26, 2025, 03:57:22 pm
It goes without saying that the skill gap between men and women footballers will narrow, and while it will never be the same, it will be significantly closer than it is now.
More than anything the football codes probably just need time.
I agree, it's why I pose the question about some aspects being premature, for example to me the pay argy bargy is a cart before the horse argument that might actually slow the development of the sport.
I refer to the pay debates because they are common and easy, but there are other aspects as well like media coverage, marketing, season length, tournament schedules, etc., etc.. In some ways some of those women's sports are presenting what the theatrical industry would label a 1st rehearsal, yet charging / claiming a premium for the privilege of watching.
There are a handful of female athletes in most sports that stand out, really stand out, I think that the differential is another sign of immaturity.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: madbluboy on February 26, 2025, 07:21:32 pm
Sheargold sacked LMAO.
Triple M going woke.
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Post by: kruddler on February 26, 2025, 09:47:51 pm
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LP on February 27, 2025, 02:33:55 am
Can you imagine if Ricky Gervais was on air here?
The bulk of the genuine complaining is basically sour grapes over a joke that cuts too close to home! Fix the product and don't oversell it in it's infancy, and the jokes won't hurt anymore.
The rest of the complaints, the high profile ones, are other media presenters and comedian opportunists boosting their personal profile off the back of this event. Sheargold would applaud them for seizing the opportunity.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: DJC on March 01, 2025, 01:34:14 pm
Much of the controversy seems to rise from the idea of equal pay for equal work, but in terms of sport there is a clear difference in performance, no matter how some want to spin it. There are two types of elite, elite relative to peers and elite in an unrestricted comparison.
Can women's sport compete with men's sport as a general spectacle? Well as far as I can tell it can't if the comparison is to remain unrestricted, but if the comparison is exclusively relative to other female sport then fans should understand the differences.
The error perhaps isn't driven by the sport becoming commercial too soon, but the expectation that it will be or is unrestrictedly comparable to men's sport.
I don't watch a lot of women's football of any code. If the AFLW is on I might watch a bit. If the Carlton women are playing.. perhaps a bit more But over a season I'll miss more games than I see. While most of these football codes have had women playing for some time, it's only recently they've moved to a more elite level. Things like speed, skill and pressure are still noticeably way off the men's game.
Two sports I enjoy watching women competing in are swimming and track and field. While the men's performances are still superior to women's there is not a great deal of difference in technique. In training the women athletes/swimmers work just as hard as men and dedicate a similar number of hours to that preparation. They have been doing so for nearly 100 years.
I would guess that's the same with Womens tennis. It's very popular, and has been so since I was a lad.
It goes without saying that the skill gap between men and women footballers will narrow, and while it will never be the same, it will be significantly closer than it is now.
More than anything the football codes probably just need time.
I enjoy watching the occasional game of netball. The skill level at national and international level is phenomenal.
Like you, I like watching women's swimming and track and field. They mightn't be as fast or as powerful as the men but their preparation and technique is every bit as elite ... and that's something we're not seeing in the footy codes at this stage of development.
Then there's women's basketball which is a little like how the men's game was played when dunking was an occasional feat. I don't mind watching women's basketball because it reminds me a little of how I used to play, but with greatly improved skill levels.
I often find games of women's tennis more entertaining than men's games ... apart from the shrieking. I believe that tennis has had equal pay in some tournaments since the 1970s (1980s in Australia) but women still play best of three sets. How does that work?
Of course equal pay for equal work is desirable but is it sustainable if women's sport doesn't generate the income of men's sport ... and we can't force people to attend the AFLW.
Finally, if "woke" is being aware of social problems such as racism and inequality, why is it undesirable?
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LP on March 01, 2025, 07:17:49 pm
Finally, if "woke" is being aware of social problems such as racism and inequality, why is it undesirable?
I think it is a radical minority that at times some perceived to be "Woke", but are really harbouring agendas hijacking the cause of those with better intentions.
Perhaps some need to call out the pirates, but the very nature of wokeness seems to mean a conflict of inclusiveness, even if those being included hijack legitimate causes.
For me it's quite analogous to the way Lydia Thorpe has hijacked indigenous issues for personal political gain, for example I read today she weighed in on the Marty Sheargold saga.
No matter what side of society or politics you sit on, you must behave with honour and call out those that behave dishonourably, silence is damning.
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Post by: Professer E on March 01, 2025, 07:56:22 pm
I think the uproar over the misogynistic comments is misdirection because the Matildas were deadset awful in the recent tournament and they have a lot of questions to answer, not sidestep and deflect.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: DJC on March 02, 2025, 12:17:57 am
Finally, if "woke" is being aware of social problems such as racism and inequality, why is it undesirable?
I think it is a radical minority that at times some perceived to be "Woke", but are really harbouring agendas hijacking the cause of those with better intentions.
Perhaps some need to call out the pirates, but the very nature of wokeness seems to mean a conflict of inclusiveness, even if those being included hijack legitimate causes.
For me it's quite analogous to the way Lydia Thorpe has hijacked indigenous issues for personal political gain, for example I read today she weighed in on the Marty Sheargold saga.
No matter what side of society or politics you sit on, you must behave with honour and call out those that behave dishonourably, silence is damning.
Lydia Thorpe hasn’t hijacked Indigenous issues for personal gain. She is a fringe player but her beliefs are longstanding and heartfelt, if irrelevant to many Indigenous Australians. Those who are share her views are struggle street residents and it’s only the foolish opportunism of the Greens that gave Thorpe her meal ticket. They recruited her, not the other way around.
Woke does not refer to a radical minority. It is, by definition, people who are aware of racial, social and political inequality. Those who are opposed to those fairly basic desirable attributes of more enlightened societies have taken to calling tolerant folk “woke” as if it’s a bad thing.
Bob Murphy has an interesting take on Sheargold’s comments. It’s worth a listen:
Those who are opposed to those fairly basic desirable attributes of more enlightened societies have taken to calling tolerant folk “woke” as if it’s a bad thing.
Often those opposed are not against the basic desirable attributes, they are opposed because they see the wider agenda being wilfully hijacked by a radical minority embedded in the wider movement.
In allowing that to happen, like the greens allowing Thorpe to hijack the green agenda, the "woke" movement are asleep at the wheel.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Lods on March 02, 2025, 09:47:59 am
Woke isn't an 'either' or 'thing' It's an end on a spectrum of views and attitudes and each of us give different weight to many of these issues depending on our own life experiences and knowledge. At it's core are things like equality, fairness and respect.
I think what folks often have an issue with is the 'extreme' end of wokeness-the 'morally superior', patronising attitude, the talking down, as if those that don't fully agree are less intelligent than those advocating these social advances. It's the call for 'respect' but giving no respect in return. Often it's asking for people to completely alter their 'own' perceptions to accomodate 'their' perceptions and values
There are also times when the advocacy of one group, while not disadvantaging another, doesn't give them exactly the same benefits, even though there is little 'difference' in their situations which in turn leads to a perceived inequality and resentment.
Difference seems to be at the heart of all the major issues-race, religion, nationalism, gender identity... and maybe concentrating on the the 'things that bind' rather than worrying about the 'differences' is where our attention should be concentrated.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LP on March 02, 2025, 05:10:47 pm
I think what folks often have an issue with is the 'extreme' end of wokeness-the 'morally superior', patronising attitude, the talking down, as if those that don't fully agree are less intelligent than those advocating these social advances. It's the call for 'respect' but giving no respect in return.
It's that argument about the circle of extremism, meeting itself in the middle, see Woke turn left and see Trump turn right.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: DJC on March 03, 2025, 11:17:02 am
Woke isn't an 'either' or 'thing' It's an end on a spectrum of views and attitudes and each of us give different weight to many of these issues depending on our own life experiences and knowledge. At it's core are things like equality, fairness and respect.
I think what folks often have an issue with is the 'extreme' end of wokeness-the 'morally superior', patronising attitude, the talking down, as if those that don't fully agree are less intelligent than those advocating these social advances. It's the call for 'respect' but giving no respect in return. Often it's asking for people to completely alter their 'own' perceptions to accomodate 'their' perceptions and values
There are also times when the advocacy of one group, while not disadvantaging another, doesn't give them exactly the same benefits, even though there is little 'difference' in their situations which in turn leads to a perceived inequality and resentment.
Difference seems to be at the heart of all the major issues-race, religion, nationalism, gender identity... and maybe concentrating on the the 'things that bind' rather than worrying about the 'differences' is where our attention should be concentrated.
I would argue that the extreme end of the spectrum is not "woke" and the folk who gravitate to that position would not identify as "woke".
The US civil rights movement came up with a perfectly good word to identify those who recognise injustice, discrimination and inequality. Those opposed to those basic principles of modern society have very cleverly demonised "woke". It's a bit like calling anyone who is concerned about conservation or maintaining biodiversity a "greenie".
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LP on March 03, 2025, 11:28:47 am
I doubt the Resistance ever let Nazis in the front door.
Clive Palmer had a slogan a while back, "Stop the Rot", some of the environmental and social movements might do far better if they applied that to there alliances.
An outcome by any means is no outcome at all, ask James Hird and his "Whatever it Takes" team!
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Lods on March 03, 2025, 12:24:04 pm
Woke isn't an 'either' or 'thing' It's an end on a spectrum of views and attitudes and each of us give different weight to many of these issues depending on our own life experiences and knowledge. At it's core are things like equality, fairness and respect.
I think what folks often have an issue with is the 'extreme' end of wokeness-the 'morally superior', patronising attitude, the talking down, as if those that don't fully agree are less intelligent than those advocating these social advances. It's the call for 'respect' but giving no respect in return. Often it's asking for people to completely alter their 'own' perceptions to accomodate 'their' perceptions and values
There are also times when the advocacy of one group, while not disadvantaging another, doesn't give them exactly the same benefits, even though there is little 'difference' in their situations which in turn leads to a perceived inequality and resentment.
Difference seems to be at the heart of all the major issues-race, religion, nationalism, gender identity... and maybe concentrating on the the 'things that bind' rather than worrying about the 'differences' is where our attention should be concentrated.
I would argue that the extreme end of the spectrum is not "woke" and the folk who gravitate to that position would not identify as "woke".
The US civil rights movement came up with a perfectly good word to identify those who recognise injustice, discrimination and inequality. Those opposed to those basic principles of modern society have very cleverly demonised "woke". It's a bit like calling anyone who is concerned about conservation or maintaining biodiversity a "greenie".
You might be right in the fact that the terminology "woke" has now been distorted and hijacked to mean something more than it's original intention. It's a problem with language in that as it develops and the circumstances in which it is used, will often result in a change of meaning. While 'woke' may have been originally used in a positive sense, it has now also evolved to be a negative and in some cases derogatory and insulting term.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: LP on March 03, 2025, 01:07:38 pm
While 'woke' may have been originally used in a positive sense, it has now also evolved to be a negative and in some cases derogatory and insulting term.
Any term can become derogatory when the assessment is left tot eh hands of the offended, and any term can become derogatory subject to context and delivery.
It's a no win debate, because the chosen perspective is often arbitrary and dynamic.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 03, 2025, 06:52:54 pm
I have said on many occasions that AFLW is unwatchable, does that make me a misogynist ?
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: shawny on March 03, 2025, 09:44:51 pm
I have said on many occasions that AFLW is unwatchable, does that make me a misogynist ?
Absolutely not in my opinion. i can't watch it either and think its crap but then i really enjoy watching woman's netball with my children. i also wont watch the A league but love the EPL. i like watching the highest level and once ive seen that i struggle with anything less.
There are those people who (we know who they) are that will judge you - i dont care anymore.
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Thryleon on March 03, 2025, 10:49:07 pm
Will you guys stopl mansplaining misogyny to me re wokeness?
Title: Re: Matildas World Cup Campaign
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 03, 2025, 11:06:33 pm
I have said on many occasions that AFLW is unwatchable, does that make me a misogynist ?
Yeah, nah! Your post history indicates that you’re a philogynist … like most of us 😇
There are sports that I find unwatchable, whether they’re played by men, women or both. I sometimes see mixed netball on the court next to my grandson’s basketball. I’d rather stick needles in my eyes than watch mixed netball; the blokes ruin what can be an entertaining spectacle.