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Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: Lods on January 18, 2024, 10:31:31 am
I suspect when we did this last year folks voted in two different ways.
Some picked players they considered the best 22 on the list. Others picked a balanced side that would take the field. So if you have an excess of talent or a type of player in one part of the field how do we want to play this exercise. It's a subtle difference and would mostly only apply to players on the fringe. So can we just clarify. Best 22 or Best side?
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: DJC on January 18, 2024, 12:49:41 pm
I’ve selected my best team rather than the best 22. It’s getting harder with many decent footballers missing out on a spot.
I used the teamboard as suggested by Kruddler and have saved a screenshot. It will be interesting to refer back to it as the season progresses and the newbies get put through their paces.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: Thryleon on January 18, 2024, 12:54:21 pm
Why are we still not providing a sub? (No 23)
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: LP on January 18, 2024, 12:56:31 pm
I suspect there will be quite a few fans who struggle with their favourites being borderline on weekly selection for 2024.
I hope the MC is smart and implements an intelligent horses for courses approach during the Home and Away, to get everybody cherry ripe for the end of the season.
In my opinion Chris Scott is correct in how he load manages his ageing players, but I think the concept of load management should be more universal, not just something we start to think about when players get older.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: DJC on January 18, 2024, 01:55:02 pm
As we’ve seen, choosing the wrong sub can be costly and a lesser but more versatile player may be a better option than a more capable, single role player.
I chose my 22, the picked an extra player as the sub so I’m not particularly fussed whether it’s best 22 or 23.
What I want to know is who omitted Weiters? 🙄
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: Thryleon on January 18, 2024, 03:07:42 pm
Also, I cannot see whom I voted for now either.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: kruddler on January 18, 2024, 03:39:59 pm
I suspect when we did this last year folks voted in two different ways.
Some picked players they considered the best 22 on the list. Others picked a balanced side that would take the field. So if you have an excess of talent or a type of player in one part of the field how do we want to play this exercise. It's a subtle difference and would mostly only apply to players on the fringe. So can we just clarify. Best 22 or Best side?
I agree.
I actually went back to the one i did last year to find out what i wrote. Thats why i added the 'best side' magnet link....to try and clear up the confusion. Some people still vote on the best 22 players, but ideally we want to be consistent.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: Lods on January 18, 2024, 03:40:13 pm
Partially to keep it the same as last year. Partially because its takes people 'sub-bias' out of their teams - some would add a 2nd ruck, whereas others think the 2nd ruck is the worst sub option or the 23rd player could be an aging veteran or a new kid etc. Partially because the 22 who start are better than the 23rd player who doesn't. ....it also makes it harder to so you have to fight for who you want in your 22 and someone 'good' will always miss out.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: kruddler on January 18, 2024, 03:44:26 pm
As we’ve seen, choosing the wrong sub can be costly and a lesser but more versatile player may be a better option than a more capable, single role player.
I chose my 22, the picked an extra player as the sub so I’m not particularly fussed whether it’s best 22 or 23.
What I want to know is who omitted Weiters? 🙄
You should be limited to 22 votes maximum. ;)
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: kruddler on January 18, 2024, 03:55:31 pm
Yes, i've left Pittonet out. As i said last year, based on TDKs potential, he should be able to take the #1 ruck role and make it his own. Maybe this year? Fantasia is picked, despite my protesting that he is not a position of need, we picked him up, so he must be a fair upgrade. We'll see. Williams slots in. Again, optimistic, his best should earn him a callup.
I've also gone smaller than most people will as i've said too many talls hurts us. So no 2nd ruck, Jack can cover. Also plenty of hard running on the bench as when we were flying, that is why we were winning.
Plenty of blokes are still to miss out. Hollands (x2?) Owies C. Durdin Fogarty Boyd and even Kennedy despite his slower style by comparison.
We'll see how we go after the pre-season games where i do part 2.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: madbluboy on January 18, 2024, 04:39:20 pm
Yes, i've left Pittonet out. As i said last year, based on TDKs potential, he should be able to take the #1 ruck role and make it his own. Maybe this year? Fantasia is picked, despite my protesting that he is not a position of need, we picked him up, so he must be a fair upgrade. We'll see. Williams slots in. Again, optimistic, his best should earn him a callup.
I've also gone smaller than most people will as i've said too many talls hurts us. So no 2nd ruck, Jack can cover. Also plenty of hard running on the bench as when we were flying, that is why we were winning.
Plenty of blokes are still to miss out. Hollands (x2?) Owies C. Durdin Fogarty Boyd and even Kennedy despite his slower style by comparison.
We'll see how we go after the pre-season games where i do part 2.
Not sure you run two back flankers on the bench.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: DJC on January 18, 2024, 05:23:22 pm
Docherty doesn't really play in the back line anymore.
Yes, Doc will be on the wing or in the guts … but we don’t have to agree with the MC 🙂
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: LP on January 19, 2024, 10:10:06 am
I suspect if Williams is back he'll be the preferred Mid rotation ahead of Doc, and I'd expect Doc to move back to a more conventional HBF role.
To me the HB line looks pretty solid with a trio like Doc, McGovern and Saad, I'd be more confident on that trio pulling trigger in the style Voss wants simply because they have the runs on the board. I can't imagine anybody better to have my back than Doc or Saad, and that might be a big factor in the absence of Weiters and even when Weiters is being eased back in.
I would also be interested to see how Williams pushing forward of centre might link up with Harry, Charlie, Motlop and Martin, when he gets up and about Williams is a very good ball user.
Acres and Ollie Hollands are interesting, Ollie tends not to hit the scoreboard but Acres looks damaging at times. As much as we like Cottrell it will be interesting to see how he fits, but Hollands might be some 2nd year blues so we probably should not expect too much. If the MC can squeeze all three in we are going to have some very impressive deep running in 2024.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: kruddler on January 20, 2024, 04:02:58 pm
Someone is either taking the piss or had a whoopsie. Weiters and Curnow have been left out of someones side.
So far, 12 / 12 for.... Cerra Cripps McKay McGovern De Koning Acres Docherty Walsh Martin Newman Saad
I reckon this time last year the likes of McGovern, Martin and Acres were missing from more sides than they were picked in.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 20, 2024, 05:31:21 pm
I suspect if Williams is back he'll be the preferred Mid rotation ahead of Doc, and I'd expect Doc to move back to a more conventional HBF role.
To me the HB line looks pretty solid with a trio like Doc, McGovern and Saad, I'd be more confident on that trio pulling trigger in the style Voss wants simply because they have the runs on the board. I can't imagine anybody better to have my back than Doc or Saad, and that might be a big factor in the absence of Weiters and even when Weiters is being eased back in.
I would also be interested to see how Williams pushing forward of centre might link up with Harry, Charlie, Motlop and Martin, when he gets up and about Williams is a very good ball user.
Acres and Ollie Hollands are interesting, Ollie tends not to hit the scoreboard but Acres looks damaging at times. As much as we like Cottrell it will be interesting to see how he fits, but Hollands might be some 2nd year blues so we probably should not expect too much. If the MC can squeeze all three in we are going to have some very impressive deep running in 2024.
Williams has no endurance and has been tried in the midfield with mixed results. I'd expect him to play half back if and when he plays...
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: Lods on January 20, 2024, 06:53:16 pm
Someone is either taking the piss or had a whoopsie. Weiters and Curnow have been left out of someones side.
More likely the latter. Even with the aid of the graffic it took me a couple of goes to get it sorted. I kept getting the count wrong. I found this was actually the most difficult of the ones we've done for me, and I had to leave out players I would have included on a best 22 as opposed to a balanced 22.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: DJC on January 20, 2024, 07:04:47 pm
Williams has no endurance and has been tried in the midfield with mixed results. I'd expect him to play half back if and when he plays...
I don’t think endurance is Zac’s problem but, yes, he was found wanting when tried in the midfield. Unless he spent his year off learning how to play in the midfield, Zac will be providing run out of the backline this season.
On the other hand, Doc is now better value on the wing and in the middle than he would be back in defence. I can’t see Vossy turning the clock back when we’ve got so many decent small/medium defenders.
It’s been another interesting exercise with subtle changes in who we see as most likely to suit up, if not for opening round, when Weiters is back in the mix (and Hollands, E).
I’m not sure when Kruddler will ask the question again but practice match form might change some minds.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: kruddler on January 21, 2024, 11:40:23 am
I’m not sure when Kruddler will ask the question again but practice match form might change some minds.
If all goes to plan, i'll try copy what i did last year.
Part 1 - Pre-season training. Part 2 - After pre-season games, before round 1 Part 3 - 1/4 way through season Part 4 - 1/2 way through Part 5 - 3/4 way through Part 6 - end of regular season, before finals Part 7 - After finals.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: pinot on January 21, 2024, 10:16:19 pm
Depth is pretty good I am finding it too hard to pick best 22. But here it goes
B: Newman Weitering Marchbank HB: Williams McGovern Saad
C: Acres Cerra Docherty
HF: Martin McKay Cottrell F: Motlop Curnow Fantasia
R: TDK Cripps Walsh
IC: Hewett Kennedy Boyd Silvagni
E: Pittonet Cincotta Cunningham
Backline looks dynamite that can take on any mix
Centerline lots of heavy hitters that rarely lose their one on ones
Forward - can use any combination really but went for this one
TDK needs to ruck for more minutes with McKay relieving few minutes in a quarter.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: DJC on January 25, 2024, 04:28:25 pm
Where's Doc going to play this season?
He did give the standard "wherever the coaches want me" response before clarifying;
“[I played] half-forward, midfield, wing. It’ll be the same sort of role for me this year.”
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: Baggers on January 25, 2024, 06:07:28 pm
As much as I want to join in the spirit of our best 22, I find it too limiting... sorry, K. I, humbly, see it as a, at minimum, best 28.
At this stage, I would guess our starting 23 for R1 (BrisVegas) to be:
Newman Big Durds McGovern Williams Kemp Saad Cottrell Cripps Acres Docherty McKay E Hollands Motlop Curnow Owies R: De Koning Cerra Walsh I: Pittonet, Martin, Marchbank, Hewett Sub: Hollands, O. Emerg: Boyd, Cincotta, Kennedy.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: kruddler on January 25, 2024, 07:37:18 pm
As much as I want to join in the spirit of our best 22, I find it too limiting... sorry, K. I, humbly, see it as a, at minimum, best 28.
Thats the point baggers. To use 'group mentality' to see who should be deemed as the best. Its hard calls for everyone to make. Everyone knows i have been Pittonets biggest spruiker and have been critical of TDK (unrealised) potential. Yet, i left out Pitto and included TDK.
Pitto would be in the 28 though......but that is not the exercise. ;)
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: DJC on January 25, 2024, 07:52:08 pm
Don't worry about who is suspended and unfit. Assume everyone is fit (unless i say so in the post - like for the rest of the year, Silvagni will be ineligble - but weitering will be eligible despite not being fit for the next 3 months.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: DJC on January 26, 2024, 12:29:53 am
Don't worry about who is suspended and unfit. Assume everyone is fit (unless i say so in the post - like for the rest of the year, Silvagni will be ineligble - but weitering will be eligible despite not being fit for the next 3 months.
I know that's your rules but Baggers picked a team to play Brisbane :)
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: kruddler on January 26, 2024, 06:13:27 am
Others at AFL standard Def - Cowan, Marchbank, Young, Williams, Cincotta Mid - Hollands x2, Binns Forward - Fantasia, Owies
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: DJC on January 30, 2024, 07:10:41 pm
Just for comparison, this is Rohan Connolly's version of our best 22:
B: Caleb Marchbank, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman HB: Sam Docherty, Brodie Kemp, Adam Saad C: Blake Acres, Patrick Cripps, Matt Cottrell HF: Matthew Owies, Harry McKay, Jesse Motlop F: Jack Martin, Charlie Curnow, Mitch McGovern R: Tom De Koning, Adam Cerra, Sam Walsh Inter: George Hewett, Marc Pittonet, Zac Williams, Ollie Hollands Emerg: Matthew Kennedy, Alex Cincotta, Lachie Fogarty, David Cuningham
For a start, Doc won't play in defence and Gov is unlikely to play as a forward.
The most telling part of Connolly's analysis is, "With the likes of Orazio Fantasia, Boyd, Lewis Young, Elijah Hollands, Lachie Cowan and Corey Durdin missing out on a spot in their best 26, the Blues’ depth for 2024 looks healthy."
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 30, 2024, 07:22:07 pm
Others at AFL standard Def - Cowan, Marchbank, Young, Williams, Cincotta Mid - Hollands x2, Binns Forward - Fantasia, Owies
I think Young is more than likely to play FB round 1 unless Sam Durdin has a real good preseason series of practice games. Marchbank did ok playing his role in the finals but he is undersized to take on a player like Lynch. Young has a chance to reestablish himself in the team with Weitering out short term and Jack out for the season given he can play back, ruck and even go forward if required and it will be a big year for him imo.
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: DJC on January 30, 2024, 07:38:27 pm
I think Young is more than likely to play FB round 1 unless Sam Durdin has a real good preseason series of practice games. Marchbank did ok playing his role in the finals but he is undersized to take on a player like Lynch. Young has a chance to reestablish himself in the team with Weitering out short term and Jack out for the season given he can play back, ruck and even go forward if required and it will be a big year for him imo.
I’ve got Young in my 22 based on the premise that last season was an aberration and playing on Harry and Charlie at training would make him stronger … if it doesn’t kill him 🙂
Title: Re: Pick your best 22 of 2023 - Part 1 - Pre-season
Post by: kruddler on January 30, 2024, 08:31:26 pm
Just for comparison, this is Rohan Connolly's version of our best 22:
B: Caleb Marchbank, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman HB: Sam Docherty, Brodie Kemp, Adam Saad C: Blake Acres, Patrick Cripps, Matt Cottrell HF: Matthew Owies, Harry McKay, Jesse Motlop F: Jack Martin, Charlie Curnow, Mitch McGovern R: Tom De Koning, Adam Cerra, Sam Walsh Inter: George Hewett, Marc Pittonet, Zac Williams, Ollie Hollands Emerg: Matthew Kennedy, Alex Cincotta, Lachie Fogarty, David Cuningham
For a start, Doc won't play in defence and Gov is unlikely to play as a forward.
The most telling part of Connolly's analysis is, "With the likes of Orazio Fantasia, Boyd, Lewis Young, Elijah Hollands, Lachie Cowan and Corey Durdin missing out on a spot in their best 26, the Blues’ depth for 2024 looks healthy."
What is telling about Gov to the forward line is that we have a lot of medium sized defenders, Kemp, Marchbank and McGovern (to go with Weitering and even Young) but we don't have any medium forwards now that Silvagni has gone down. Martin is a marking target of sorts, but is more of a taller small who i'd much rather have crumbing than contesting marks.
I reckon i floated similar either this stage last year or the year before for the same reasons.