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Title: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on May 08, 2024, 09:21:26 pm
Ready this time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LoveNavy on May 09, 2024, 10:28:04 pm
🫣😮‍💨
That was exhausting to watch.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: tex on May 09, 2024, 10:30:50 pm
Would’ve taken a point before the game

Take the win. Get bodies back. Hopefully Cherra ain’t too bad
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LP on May 09, 2024, 10:35:26 pm
Gee, two things late in that game.

Firstly, we are still panicking with the footy and using it poorly, it's like we aren't able to stay composed and we are letting opposition back in mostly through poor ball use.

Secondly, what the feck were some of those free kicks to the Dees, and the non-free to us for virtually the same, and how the hell can those decision all of a sudden become so one sided!

I saw the behind the goals vision of Petracca throwing Hewett to the ground, and the central umpire was standing at our CHB position watching and did nothing! The Dees repeatedly take the footy and try to charge through the pack, it's play on or ball up, Cripps is the only player trying to actually pick the ball up in the middle and gets pinged!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: cookie2 on May 09, 2024, 10:36:12 pm
Faark, I'm exhausted.!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on May 09, 2024, 10:37:25 pm
We kept them scoreless in the first quarter. Had a 5 goal margin most of the game. Lead the entire game, but still managed to give us a heart attack.

Take the win and the long break
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Lods on May 09, 2024, 10:47:06 pm
Good start, poor finish
These type of games have a cumulative effect and we've played three tough ones in a row, 'undermanned', so it's not surprising we faded at the end.
A couple of players are short a gallop after returning from injury
We may be in a bit of strife next game. (Sydney in Sydney)

Melbourne on the other hand are having very good last quarters this year. I reckon their fitness levels are pretty high at present. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain that level.

(If a certain biased commentator makes an appearance and asks to walk around our rooms at any stage this year I hope we show him the door. That was just about his worst performance.) >:(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Micky0 on May 09, 2024, 10:49:20 pm
I missed the entire game watching/listening but kept my eye on the score - couldn’t believe it when they kept pegging back our lead in the last quarter then saw 7 pts then 1 with over a minute to go!

Stressful!

Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2024, 10:50:53 pm
Weitering.....just pay the man.  Whatever he wants.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: northernblue on May 09, 2024, 10:55:01 pm
Weitering.....just pay the man.  Whatever he wants.
He was pretty outstanding
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: laj on May 09, 2024, 10:55:47 pm
Of the hard run of games we've won 2, lost 2. Should've got 2 points last week. If we can crack a win somehow next week though 3-2 would be a good result. A couple of blokes fitter for the run this week will help.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: stevie-poo on May 09, 2024, 10:59:49 pm
CARNA BLUE BAGGERS!!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: townsendcalling on May 09, 2024, 11:13:59 pm
What a difference when the back line works as a unit has confidence in themselves and each other. (Sorry Lewis you just don't tick that box)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: pertz on May 09, 2024, 11:15:15 pm
Just got home  from the game, having a JD to settle the nerves. We did panic a bit in the last quarter and lost our structure.
Take the win and the possitives from the first half and move on.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Lods on May 09, 2024, 11:27:00 pm
Just an aside for a minute...
41 members and a 1000 guests (probably a fair few Bots-some of the topics being viewed are pretty dated) online at present...not a bad effort.
We still have a pulse
(Despite what our football team is putting us through ;) )
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LoveNavy on May 09, 2024, 11:50:11 pm
7 day break will be welcomed. Players and supporters alike.

Great to hold on. But....
Looked like a real mixed bag of perfect, solid, average, and poor passages of play. Consistency essential. Cohesion necessary. We're still chasing the former and the latter is elusive, thanks to injuries/ changes.
That said. We are finding new avenues to goal, and players are developing versatility (3peat Hawks weapon)

Cerra may miss several weeks. Again.
Martin and McG slotted right in. May that continue 🤞

I found the inconsistent umpiring frustrating. I have no idea how htb is assessed.

Batman and Robin are a force. Our centre bounce work was a pleasure to watch. Despite contesting the league's best ruckman. Hats off to Pitto, TDK, and the mids.

Elijah continues to improve weekly. Ollie on the other hand seems a yard off and light frame is under attack constantly. I worry he's going to snap. His lack of awareness of the tackler cost us 3 or so times. His effort and gut running is unquestionable. What's the plan for Ollie's development?

Our big boys were great again, and Owies played his role. I didn't see enough of Durds to comment but maybe that's telling.

A win is a win. A win from -20 i50's is even better. We'll learn lots from that game.

Go Blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: northernblue on May 09, 2024, 11:53:51 pm
For mine small Durds put himself on the line when required.
Got caught by a fingernail a couple of times but I thought he was up and about.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Lods on May 10, 2024, 12:07:28 am
For mine small Durds put himself on the line when required.
Got caught by a fingernail a couple of times but I thought he was up and about.

yep
If he was just a fraction quicker he'd be quite valuable...but when Motlop is ready for a return he probably goes out as Owies is good for a couple of goals most games.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on May 10, 2024, 12:13:37 am

Cerra may miss several weeks. Again.

Ollie on the other hand seems a yard off and light frame is under attack constantly. I worry he's going to snap. His lack of awareness of the tackler cost us 3 or so times. His effort and gut running is unquestionable. What's the plan for Ollie's development?


We seemed to lose a lot of drive when Cerra went off.

Probably Ollie's best game for the season - despite the lack of awareness that saw him caught with the ball several times - the pressure on the ball carrier seemed off the scale in this match but he seems to be showing some Paddy Dow traits; i.e. frequently caught if he tried to run with the ball because he thought he was faster than he actually was - should be correctable with the right coaching
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on May 10, 2024, 12:16:44 am
The Pitto / TDK tandem prevented Gawn from dominating although the new centre bounce rules for ruckmen is definitely helping Pitto.

Good to see the players not kicking to May and Lever early in the game and using Owies and others when Lever zoned off.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Mantis on May 10, 2024, 12:48:10 am
I didn’t see this one coming. I thought after the finals last year that Melbourne would win with sheer will and beat us by a few goals. Being at work I kept checking the scores. Keeping Melbourne to no score and 5 goals up in the first quarter made me so happy. Still up at half time by the same time made me even more excited. I didn’t have a chance to check the score until the game was finished. To win by a single point must have been nail biting to watch. Take the 4 points and bank them. Next match against Sydney could be an even more difficult contest. Even though we did beat them the last time we played which was in the finals. Much will depend on who is available. Not happy to hear Cerra is injured again. I hope injuries don’t give us problems though the next few weeks. One point. One point. That will hurt the Melbourne football club and their supporters.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on May 10, 2024, 12:55:36 am
[1] We really missed Cerra when he went off, he had 21 possessions in just over 2 quarters and really foiled many of their attempted centre breaks.
We need to get him right and in form for the finals. After the season maybe we should see some sort of hamstring specialist, as he's getting too many of these.

[2] Alex Cincotta! He was brilliant tonight, slaughtering Pickett again and doing some marvellous defensive things.

[3] Our defence was so much better this week than last week, even with a few blemishes in the last quarter. McGovern had a difference because he attacked the ball. Kemp did well until he had a brain fade and didn't punch. Weitering was probably BOG, he was that dominant.
Cripps and Walsh were very good, but they never dominated like Weitering did.

[4] Free Kicks: My God, we were crucified. I don't want to go through all of them, but there were so many after half time! Without them, Melbourne wouldn't have got close.
But that big tackle on Petracca near siren time: absolute Gold!

[5] Ollie Hollands played his best game for the year (by a huge margin), but he needs to learn to be more aware of players moving in on him. Three HTBs is not good enough.
His efforts in the first half, on the other hand, were excellent.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on May 10, 2024, 07:03:31 am
[4] Free Kicks: My God, we were crucified. I don't want to go through all of them, but there were so many after half time! Without them, Melbourne wouldn't have got close.
But that big tackle on Petracca near siren time: absolute Gold!
It was about 10 minutes into the last quarter and I checked the free kick count.
For the second half up to that point it was 9-1 in their favour. I th I bk we then got about 4 in a row pretty quickly, plus that dodgy dangerous tackle one on Kemp that saved us a goal.

Overall I didn't think the umps were that bad, but there was definitely a bad patch which coincided with them coming back.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: laj on May 10, 2024, 07:23:21 am
Not so different from the EF last year where we just held on.

It's a tough life being a Carlton supporter at the moment. Nothing is ever easy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2024, 07:31:26 am
Cardiac Carlton was back tonight. The first half was as good as I have seen by us vs quality opposition.
The 3rd and 4th were very ordinary. Couldn't but a free but couldn't seem to hold a mark, thread the ball through their wall defence or buy a goal.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: pinot on May 10, 2024, 07:55:09 am
Good win and still many problems - no idea why Kemp was dropped last week.
Pitto had a better rounded game - but comedy central when we needed run in the last and Pitto handballed to TDK expecting him to clear it which he did - but at that moment we needed a runner not a ruckman.
If I see Cincotta dropped for ZW there is going to be a riot.
Ollie while not perfect was productive and didn't mind his game - just wondering how many games we are going to squeeze out of Martin this year
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Lods on May 10, 2024, 07:58:56 am
Voss seemed quite upbeat at the press conference and on reflection you can kind of see why.
There's a lot of good to highlight this week as well as there is bad in a ten minute lapse at the end.
We went too defensive and our own scoring dried up, but... for most of the night we've broke even or even beaten most of their dangerous players and prime movers...except one.

Had Petracca not got off the leash it wouldn't have been close...possibly over by half-time.
He not only had influence in his own scoring but brought other players into the game and lifted the side.
We need to find an answer when we next play them.
Kennedy went well at the start but once Petracca moved forward he switched to marking Viney.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on May 10, 2024, 08:29:34 am
Fantastic effort, but in the end we were saved by the bell. Boys were gassed, and Melbourne lived in our D50 in the last 10 minutes or so. Another few minutes and I'm sure they would've rolled us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Lods on May 10, 2024, 08:45:40 am
It's funny.
It's a bit like sex. :D  :D  :D (If I remember correctly how that sometimes goes.)  :o

"Satisfaction" or "Dissapointment" in a performance is very much based on expectation and is time dependent.

Before the game if we were told we'd win against an in-form top side like Melbourne, even though we'd only win by a point, we'd have been elated.

At quarter time if we'd been told we'd win by a point we'd still be happy but we'd wonder where it we would go pear shape.

At the end of the game, probably the most accurate way to describe the feeling is 'relief'.

When it's all boiled down..."A win is a win" ;) ...and one you knock back is one you don't get. ;D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on May 10, 2024, 08:55:01 am
Backs against the wall, line in the sand, facing 3 defeats in a row (to very good opposition).

We found a way to win. That's to be appreciated, respected and applauded. The Go Dees were always going to come back hard after qtr time, premium sides do that.

We owned the game for about 35 minutes, they owned the game for about 35 minutes... the rest was an even arm wrestle.

The effort from Petracca was a once in a season brilliance from one person.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LygonStreetLimbo on May 10, 2024, 09:03:02 am
Kennedy did very well against Petracca in the first qtr, but Petracca was too good for Gov when moved forward.. too strong, too quick. But Gov should have had a mark paid in the third qtr that Van Rooyen belatedly swatted away for a Petracca goal
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on May 10, 2024, 09:33:36 am
From the media coverage you'd think Melbourne dominated this game.  Aside from our gun players, I thought a lot of our lesser lights played important roles.  That's been overlooked - teams win flags, not a handful of guns within chaff.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Lods on May 10, 2024, 10:41:20 am
Just on Ollie Hollands, caught a couple of times last night...he's only in his second season, still young , still very slight, and still probably adjusting to the speed of the game.
When he gets a bit more experience and a bit more bulk (he may never be super big, but he can add a bit of muscle and strength) he'll be a valuable long term player for us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 10, 2024, 10:59:31 am
Just on Ollie Hollands, caught a couple of times last night...he's only in his second season, still young , still very slight, and still probably adjusting to the speed of the game.
When he gets a bit more experience and a bit more bulk (he may never be super big, but he can add a bit of muscle and strength) he'll be a valuable long term player for us.
Reminded me of Paddy Dow playing U18s
football...thought he started well but Langdon got on top.
Probable matchup with Gulden next game...that could get ugly.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2024, 11:12:02 am
Backs against the wall, line in the sand, facing 3 defeats in a row (to very good opposition).

We found a way to win. That's to be appreciated, respected and applauded. The Go Dees were always going to come back hard after qtr time, premium sides do that.

We owned the game for about 35 minutes, they owned the game for about 35 minutes... the rest was an even arm wrestle.

The effort from Petracca was a once in a season brilliance from one person.
We negated most of their match winners. Kosi, Fritch, Van Rooyen un seen and smashed by our defenders (that's two big scalps in a row for Cinc). Lever was forced to defend all night as opposed to running around unaccountable picking off I50s.
May had his hands full with Charlie who ran him up the ground a few times. When May returned from one sortee chasing Charlie, he was right in front of us and was completely gassed gasping for air. Charlie was laughing at him like a schoolboy.
I love Gawn, he is a monster who just doesn't stop. But FMD you cant touch him, instant free kick when you do and and nothing in return when he does the same.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on May 10, 2024, 11:20:10 am
Doesn't stop the sea of teas from salty Go dees fans.  Delusional.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2024, 11:26:38 am
From the media coverage you'd think Melbourne dominated this game.  Aside from our gun players, I thought a lot of our lesser lights played important roles.  That's been overlooked - teams win flags, not a handful of guns within chaff.
Arrived home from the game with Junior G2C to be greeted my an angry Mrs G2C. Reckoned the Ch7 commentary was so biased she had to mute it. Ahhhh yes, love it when my effect wears off on family members.
PS Heard Cornes this morning on radio say how he listened to SEN Blues Radio (Maher, Edmond, Kouta and Ange) synced with the TV telecast, absolutely hilarious he reckons.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: WASurfer on May 10, 2024, 11:35:49 am
We weren't that bad against Geelong or Collingwood and could've won them both. Last night, we got reward for efforts in the first 3 quarters.

On the umpiring....surely they go in at half time and look at the count and look to square up? The difference between the two halves was ridiculous?

Weitering, Walsh and Cripps were just next level last night and Weitering just seemed to have a spring in his step last night with McGovern back? Kemp was good but needs to stop trying to take Mark of the Year when he should be defending.

Cincotta was brilliant on Pickett and not sure who was on Fritsch but he didn't do much either.

Agree on Hollands...caught a couple of times but was brilliant, especially early. Disappointing to lose Cerra but Hewett will come straight back in for him next week and maybe Carroll or Binns as the sub.

One of Boyd's quieter games this year but still very effective with ball in hand.

And Charlie might not have kicked a bag but some of his defensive efforts were really good and he worked May right up the ground at times to nullify his influence.

And Pitto...definitely broke even on the night IMO with Gawn. Gawn was one of their better players but not as dominant as he could've been.

Disappointing to only win by a point after kicking the first 6 goals, but Melbourne are a top 4 side, beat Geelong last week....so take it and move one.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on May 10, 2024, 11:43:32 am

[4] Free Kicks: My God, we were crucified. I don't want to go through all of them, but there were so many after half time! Without them, Melbourne wouldn't have got close.
But that big tackle on Petracca near siren time: absolute Gold!


I didn't agree with all of the frees but I could see why the vast majority were paid and I thought the umpires consistently gave the player with the ball every opportunity to dispose of it legally - sometimes too much of an opportunity - and consistently awarded an 'incorrect disposal' free when the player lost control of the ball in the tackle if he had had a prior opportunity.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: BluePhantom on May 10, 2024, 11:50:38 am
4 points in the bag but at the cost of wear on our hearts and Cerra's injury.

Just thinking about Petracca and how he got off the leash. Charlie should've gone to him in the last late in the last quarter, he was in the backline anyway, he's athletic enough and strong enough to impede Petracca's influence, only has to break even.

Vossy out coached Goody in the first 3qtrs, we need to find a way of stopping team's momentum  >:( 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: laj on May 10, 2024, 11:56:24 am
Looking at Richmond during their flag years, as they played a very high pressure game like us. They were pretty damn ordinary until about July each year. Then peaked when it mattered, just getting top 4, being able to keep up their high pressure game where they buried sides come finals. Thinking we could be the same. We couldn't keep up a high pressure game and were out on our feet. By July/August we will. Suppose that is called peaking. Interestingly, during that 4 year period, the one year they didn't make the GF was the year they finished on top.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on May 10, 2024, 11:57:13 am

Just thinking about Petracca and how he got off the leash. Charlie should've gone to him in the last late in the last quarter, he was in the backline anyway, he's athletic enough and strong enough to impede Petracca's influence, only has to break even.


Not sure about Charlie in that role - I think Newman might have been the best available option after McGovern was toasted a couple of times.  If Cincotta hadn't been so much on top of Pickett, he might have been worth a try.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: DJC on May 10, 2024, 12:02:58 pm
Just on Ollie Hollands, caught a couple of times last night...he's only in his second season, still young , still very slight, and still probably adjusting to the speed of the game.
When he gets a bit more experience and a bit more bulk (he may never be super big, but he can add a bit of muscle and strength) he'll be a valuable long term player for us.

I reckon that was Ollie's best game.

I think that he is trying to find the time to make his disposals count and underestimates his opponent's closing speed and/or proximity.  In some ways it's probably better that he gives away a free than kicking to the opposition.  I imagine that Tim Clarke and Luke Power will be working with Ollie to improve his ability to get his disposals away more quickly and without losing efficiency.

Ollie was quieter in the second half, and Langdon's not the player he was, but it's still an important scalp to have taken. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: DJC on May 10, 2024, 12:10:47 pm
Arrived home from the game with Junior G2C to be greeted my an angry Mrs G2C. Reckoned the Ch7 commentary was so biased she had to mute it. Ahhhh yes, love it when my effect wears off on family members.
PS Heard Cornes this morning on radio say how he listened to SEN Blues Radio (Maher, Edmond, Kouta and Ange) synced with the TV telecast, absolutely hilarious he reckons.

Ms DJC is pretty much a neutral observer and she remarked that she never heard such biased commentary before.  She also had a crack at the umpires for some poor decisions  :)

BT and his mates do tend to boost the team that's behind so that the punters won't turn the game off but a bit of balance would be a pleasant change.

I must learn how to sync Blues Radio  :)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: cookie2 on May 10, 2024, 12:31:39 pm
Agree with remarks about the Ch7 commentary last night. It scaled new heights in bias, irrelevance and statement of the blindingly obvious. BT gave a masterclass ably supported by his willing cohort.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LP on May 10, 2024, 12:40:23 pm
I imagine that Tim Clarke and Luke Power will be working with Ollie to improve his ability to get his disposals away more quickly and without losing efficiency.
Just on this issue, I understand we try to hit targets, but last night we looked more dangerous when the ball hit the deck in our F50. I think we are missing a trick, in that trying to hit targets late left Lever and May with a smorgasbord of intercepts. We had Owies, Durdin, Martin and at times Elijah, Cottrell, Cripps, Walsh and Kennedy all inside F50, space is a target, even a grubber kick along the ground is a target.

What's wrong with getting the ball within our goal range a creating a stoppage after stoppage as opposed to delivering Lever and May easy intercepts?

If the Dees are going to rely on Petracca inside F50, then leave him there and make stoppages in our F50 without him around the footy!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on May 10, 2024, 12:46:40 pm
Not sure about Charlie in that role - I think Newman might have been the best available option after McGovern was toasted a couple of times.  If Cincotta hadn't been so much on top of Pickett, he might have been worth a try.

Exactly what I thought. Cincotta would have been great, but then Pickett would have gotten off the leash and potentially wreaked havoc. Newman would have been the man.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on May 10, 2024, 12:50:33 pm
BT is simply insufferable.

14m 50s to go, Windsor drops the mark, turns and picks up the ball - stops, props, tried to sidestep the tacklers but is wrapped up by Owies and Pittonet, BT’s commentary: “He won the footy and tried to duck under the tackle, great call”.
Great call? GREAT CALL?! What a dipcrap. This is what rankles. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him criticise a poor decision against us. Yet poor decisions in our favour (e.g. dangerous tackle) have him basically fomenting dissent in the commentary team about how we’re borderline cheats and calling for rules changes.

2m:13s to go when Petracca throws Newman to the ground it’s a low key “Carlton fans wanted a free there”. Notice how he doesn’t just downplay the incident but also can’t subconsciously disguise his low opinion of “us” - the fans. We’re effectively low-life whingers who can’t possibly understand the rules like he does.
It was left to a co-commentator (Daisy T.?) to tell it like it is, “Petracca needs to be careful. That should have been a free kick”.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LP on May 10, 2024, 12:59:22 pm
Personally, I don't think we had much wrong structurally or tactically, we forced turnovers and we able to stop the Dees momentum multiple times after giving them the ball via execution errors. We didn't really give away any silly frees if we ignore a couple of umpiring howlers.

Our main problem was still execution, even when we had time and space we basically delivered the footy to the Dees HB line!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LP on May 10, 2024, 01:03:39 pm
Agree with remarks about the Ch7 commentary last night. It scaled new heights in bias, irrelevance and statement of the blindingly obvious. BT gave a masterclass ably supported by his willing cohort.
On the question of a lack of enthusiasm in BT's calling.

In the past he use to make excuses that we were boring to watch, yet in recent weeks we've been in both high scoring shoot outs, fumbling high intensity struggles, and last night in the first half we were dominant and efficient the imposing Handbagger style. Yet his attitude calling our games remains largely the same, until the moment our opposition get on a roll and his demeanour changes! He is pretty much schtum until our opposition look threatening, and even if/when we are on a roll he spends most of his time casting seeds of doubt or talks about the weather.

His dislike of Carlton is palpable, so why bother dragging down the spectacle, just get him out of the call team on our games!

It reminds me of watching The Storm versus any NSW team, the nine crew basically turn the broadcast into a Bellyache, Big Nasty, et.al., bashing session, I feel sorry for Cam Smith and Billy Slater for having to put up with it!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2024, 01:06:59 pm
Ms DJC is pretty much a neutral observer and she remarked that she never heard such biased commentary before.  She also had a crack at the umpires for some poor decisions  :)

BT and his mates do tend to boost the team that's behind so that the punters won't turn the game off but a bit of balance would be a pleasant change.

I must learn how to sync Blues Radio  :)
Apparently is live, no delay as is the Ch7 telecast. So just turn it on, mute BT and youre away.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on May 10, 2024, 01:34:42 pm
One thing I think the umps stuffed up.  Mcgovern juggled a mark, had two hands on it, and Petty knocked it out of his hands.  Play on the call.

That's a mark every week, and there was a few of those last night.  Wet weather footy, you can't make players hold it with an opponent punching it out.  Melbourne scored on the back of one of those.  Must have been 3rd quarter as it was the non punt road end.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 10, 2024, 01:58:11 pm
Not sure about Charlie in that role - I think Newman might have been the best available option after McGovern was toasted a couple of times.  If Cincotta hadn't been so much on top of Pickett, he might have been worth a try.
Petracca was on and I dont think anyone was going to stop him if he got enough supply and it was one on one stuff where he excels like Dusty did at his peak.
We needed to put more pressure on the delivery and get another player across to help out when we could..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on May 10, 2024, 02:01:07 pm
Petracca was on and I dont think anyone was going to stop him if he got enough supply and it was one on one stuff where he excels like Dusty did at his peak.
We needed to put more pressure on the delivery and get another player across to help out when we could..

In a way it was better we got on top of him early and forced him to play forward.
Sure, he dominated forward......but the ball had to get there for that to happen.
Had he stayed midfield and started to dominate there, the dees would've had even more inside 50's, probably gone past the tipping point of what we could control.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: DJC on May 10, 2024, 02:40:48 pm
One thing I think the umps stuffed up.  Mcgovern juggled a mark, had two hands on it, and Petty knocked it out of his hands.  Play on the call.

That's a mark every week, and there was a few of those last night.  Wet weather footy, you can't make players hold it with an opponent punching it out.  Melbourne scored on the back of one of those.  Must have been 3rd quarter as it was the non punt road end.

The same thing happened to De Koning about 15m from goal in our forward line.  Poor umpiring!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: DJC on May 10, 2024, 02:53:01 pm
Last week the media piled on Matt Owies for banging his own head into the turf.  This week it’s Brodie Kemp who is copping it for slamming his own head into the ground. I’m not exactly sure how you stop your head from hitting the ground when your arms are pinned and the tackle knocks you off your feet and drives you forward.

Meanwhile, is there any chance of scrutinising Neale-Bullen’s flop when Newman brushed past him? 🙄
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LP on May 10, 2024, 02:53:13 pm
The same thing happened to De Koning about 15m from goal in our forward line.  Poor umpiring!
It's umpiring without regard to the conditions, when TDK took his mark in the rain it was a wet weather mark every day of the year!

I don't mind that they don't call them, I just want it eh same for both sides and it isn't. This is a downside of having more umpires than ever before, the subjective stuff varies widely from umpire to umpire.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LP on May 10, 2024, 02:55:47 pm
Meanwhile, is there any chance of scrutinising Neale-Bullen’s flop when Newman brushed past him? 🙄
The super slow mo shows no obvious contact with head or jaw, and no deviation in Neale-Bullen's head aligned to Newman's direction of contact. The only detectable motion is Neale-Bullen throwing his head back!

The AFL is causing this problem.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: DJC on May 10, 2024, 02:57:52 pm
The super slow mo shows no obvious contact with head or jaw, and no deviation in Neale-Bullen's head aligned to Newman's direction of contact. The only detectable motion is Neale-Bullen throwing his head back!

The AFL is causing this problem.

The MRO should fine Neale-Bullen for staging.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LP on May 10, 2024, 02:59:37 pm
The MRO should fine Neale-Bullen for staging.
As much as I hate it, and how it can suck in umpires, my only concern is for players who get done over at the MRO for a bloke that stages.

The staging players will never admit to staging, they all fear becoming the next Ginnivan, so they go to the tribunal and offer ambiguous evidence like "I felt some contact!"

Last week we had players fined for running into umpires, the Dees did that multiple times last night, the Dee midfield deliberately use the umpires as physical obstructions. Let's see if they get fined?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2024, 03:17:01 pm
Petracca was on and I dont think anyone was going to stop him if he got enough supply and it was one on one stuff where he excels like Dusty did at his peak.
We needed to put more pressure on the delivery and get another player across to help out when we could..
Petracca is a cat who chooses when to put in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LP on May 10, 2024, 03:20:52 pm
We needed to put more pressure on the delivery and get another player across to help out when we could..
A nice start would be to stop delivering it to Lever and May on a plater.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 10, 2024, 03:26:34 pm
Petracca is a cat who chooses when to put in.
I thought Matt Kennedy did a good job on him in the middle for the first quarter and a half, it was only when he went forward he became a problem. Thought he tried at least unlike one Melb player in Fritsch, talk about lazy, if it wasnt delivered silver service style then he couldnt be bothered chasing or even competing and Goodwin dragged him several times and it was only in the last quarter I saw him making any effort after Petracca had done the hard work.
I thought we had players who were beaten on the night but at least tried, reckon Melb had a few who couldnt be bothered at all or sooked all night ie Gawn.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: DJC on May 10, 2024, 03:53:21 pm
I thought Matt Kennedy did a good job on him in the middle for the first quarter and a half, it was only when he went forward he became a problem. Thought he tried at least unlike one Melb player in Fritsch, talk about lazy, if it wasnt delivered silver service style then he couldnt be bothered chasing or even competing and Goodwin dragged him several times and it was only in the last quarter I saw him making any effort after Petracca had done the hard work.
I thought we had players who were beaten on the night but at least tried, reckon Melb had a few who couldnt be bothered at all or sooked all night ie Gawn.

Vossy said that Kennedy probably did too good a job on Petracca!

It's interesting how the run with player's role normally changes when their opponent is shifted.  I suspect that Kennedy would have continued to get the job done if he had stayed with Petracca.  He has played as a defender recently and knows the structures and patterns.  We would have been a midfielder down, but Melbourne was and we have plenty others to rotate through the midfield.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2024, 04:01:21 pm
A nice start would be to stop delivering it to Lever and May on a plater.
We didn't do that last night, only May picked off a few when Charlie was out of sorts.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 10, 2024, 04:27:07 pm
Vossy said that Kennedy probably did too good a job on Petracca!

It's interesting how the run with player's role normally changes when their opponent is shifted.  I suspect that Kennedy would have continued to get the job done if he had stayed with Petracca.  He has played as a defender recently and knows the structures and patterns.  We would have been a midfielder down, but Melbourne was and we have plenty others to rotate through the midfield.


Kennedy following Petracca down forward would have been worth a go, in the old days it was common for players to stay on the one opponent all day and follow them into different positions.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LP on May 10, 2024, 04:43:34 pm
We didn't do that last night, only May picked off a few when Charlie was out of sorts.
Watch the last 5 or 10 minutes again, Lever ended up with leather toxicity syndrome, closely related to COVID apparently, nobody wanted to go near him except our kickers! ;D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: DJC on May 10, 2024, 05:54:09 pm
Watch the last 5 or 10 minutes again, Lever ended up with leather toxicity syndrome, closely related to COVID apparently, nobody wanted to go near him except our kickers! ;D

Are you sure about that LP?

Lever marked McGovern's kick in from fullback, marked Hewett's kick at CHB, and spoiled Harry's kick into the forward pocket, all in the first 10 minutes of the last quarter.  After that he and Durdin competed for a ground ball which Durdin knocked forward for a stoppage.  Finally, Lever gathered a loose ball between wing and half forward and got a hand pass away.  That was his only touch in the last ten minutes. 

I thought May and McDonald were their most effective defenders in the last quarter but it was the tackle pressure when we were trying to work the ball up the ground that set up Melbourne's opportunities and denied ours, that and some strange free kicks.

Edit:  Just listening to David King explain how we set up to drag Lever away from the contest and force May to do the bulk of the defensive work by himself.  That certainly gels with what I saw.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on May 10, 2024, 05:57:22 pm
Don't know how Maynard got off driving Owies into the ground last week, it was a very ugly looking tackle.  To say he added mayo is a bit much.  Ditto for the Kemp example.

Straight out faking sh1ts me to tears but some of these tackles look ugly and have the potential to really hurt somebody.  I had images of Neil Sachse with the Owies example.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: tonyo on May 10, 2024, 06:53:54 pm
We really only got towelled in the last 10 minutes of this game, not the whole last quarter.  At the 25 minute mark, we were still 20 points in front when they fluked the goal after Viney's knock-back from the behind line.  Then we went into panic mode.

Until then, we were pretty much in control and Melbourne's lack of a forward line meant they needed Petracca to have a career-high 5 goal game to even get close.

Observations.....

* Weitering was great, but had virtually no opposition all night - it won't always be that easy.
* Curnow's best game for the year, I thought - really exposed May's lack of run.  Would have been even better if he'd kicked straight after his screamer
* Harry's quietest game for the year.  I was a bit disappointed with how easily McDonald out-muscled him - and Harry needs to stop playing for free kicks.
* Cincotta is a fast-developing shut down defender.  The best part about this is it should mean that Saad can get more of a free run and not have to worry so much about the other side's best small forward when he returns.
* Crippa was great, but that annoying habit of trying to do too much seems to have returned.  Sometimes, banging it on the boot is the best answer (especially when the game is greasy like last night).
* Walsh - need say nothing more
* McGovern's kicking out of the backline was a welcome sight to see.  He's probably the best kick in the team.
* Martin didn't do a lot, but he has x-factor in spades.  A very hard match-up for defenders.

Over the last 3 weeks, we

- had more scoring shots than Geelong and got umpired out of the game
- should have beaten the reigning premier
- beaten another top-4 contender

All with several key players missing.

Improvements are needed, but if I had offered anyone on this site a 6-3 line after Round 9, I don't think there would have been too many who wouldn't have taken that, especially with Walsh and Weiters missing the first month.







Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: blueboys_1 on May 10, 2024, 08:07:36 pm
Apparently is live, no delay as is the Ch7 telecast. So just turn it on, mute BT and youre away.

You can also sync the SEN call to the TV, Kayo and Stadium, at the ground.
My radio battery died last night tried it on the app and it worked ok for most of the time, until it dropped out and refused to work again for the rest of the match.

Only problem on the phone is that it chews through the battery like a hot knife through butter, so a charger would be required to listen to the whole match.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on May 10, 2024, 08:12:28 pm
Channel 7 callers are told to talk up the losing side to keep viewers. Right now BT is pumping up Geelong. He's feeling something lol.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2024, 08:15:18 pm
Channel 7 callers are told to talk up the losing side to keep viewers. Right now BT is pumping up Geelong. He's feeling something lol.
Disgraceful
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on May 10, 2024, 08:16:38 pm
He just said Port got a goal against the tide lmao
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2024, 08:27:14 pm
He just said Port got a goal against the tide lmao
Yeah, Geelong piled on one in a row so it was against the tide🙄
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: laj on May 10, 2024, 10:20:56 pm
Just watching the last bit of Blues Radio. Ang and Kouta get right into it, especially Ang. Entertaining as always.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Blue Moon on May 10, 2024, 11:44:25 pm
We seem to be able to attack or we can defend but we can't seem to attack and defend at the same time.  It seemed to me that 20 minutes into the third quarter Carlton stopped trying to kick goals. The midfield just wanted to have stoppages and the forwards were only interested in stopping the Melbourne defenders run. When only one side is trying to score only one side will. Our tackling was a lot better this week and we were a lot smarter going forward this week in the first two and a half quarters. O.Hollands is being caught too often while Pittonett had another good game though Gawn got on top late. Winning is always better than losing so this week was better than the past two but we need to learn to put our opponents away and stop trying to hold on from a long way out. We also seem to be getting taken apart by the opposition best player.  Rankine for Adelaide, Cameron for Geelong, Daicos for Collingwood and now Pertracca for Melbourne. Big game next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on May 11, 2024, 12:37:14 am
For those getting stuck into hollads I'll say re watch quarter 1.


He set us up in a big way. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 11, 2024, 07:05:20 am
For those getting stuck into hollads I'll say re watch quarter 1.


He set us up in a big way. 
Agree, other than getting caught a couple of times, I thought he tried hard and played well.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: BluePhantom on May 11, 2024, 09:28:35 am
Port Adelaide: You Carlton guys are pathetic at how you give up big leads sooo easily!
Hang on... hold my beer.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on May 11, 2024, 10:25:04 am
For those getting stuck into hollads I'll say re watch quarter 1.


He set us up in a big way. 

Until the 'heat' arrived in the 2nd half. Those of us who are critical of Ollie are not critical of his endeavour and effort. And we're not saying he's no good, or should not be out there. Simply observations of his inexperience in tight and physical situations. He's a ripper... with things to clean up on, especially hurting the opposition with his disposal, strengthening his body to stick tackles, surety by hand and foot in pressure situations... they'll come in time. But they're real shortcomings at present.

And everyone looked amazing in our first half, until the Go Dees brought the heat, then the wheat was sorted from the chaff.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: BluePhantom on May 11, 2024, 12:58:03 pm
Until the 'heat' arrived in the 2nd half. Those of us who are critical of Ollie are not critical of his endeavour and effort. And we're not saying he's no good, or should not be out there. Simply observations of his inexperience in tight and physical situations. He's a ripper... with things to clean up on, especially hurting the opposition with his disposal, strengthening his body to stick tackles, surety by hand and foot in pressure situations... they'll come in time. But they're real shortcomings at present.

And everyone looked amazing in our first half, until the Go Dees brought the heat, then the wheat was sorted from the chaff.
He reminds me of Skinny Lappin who became a legend for us.
I think he didn't have any touches in his first two games!
If this forum was around then he would've been a lightning rod for negative comments.
Lucky it wasn't.
Ollie just need to do his job and learn his limitations and play to that. Oh and build his core strength.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 11, 2024, 06:00:34 pm
He reminds me of Skinny Lappin who became a legend for us.
I think he didn't have any touches in his first two games!
If this forum was around then he would've been a lightning rod for negative comments.
Lucky it wasn't.
Ollie just need to do his job and learn his limitations and play to that. Oh and build his core strength.
Reminds me a bit of David Glascott......if he can be half as good I would be happy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: BluePhantom on May 11, 2024, 06:17:30 pm
Reminds me a bit of David Glascott......if he can be half as good I would be happy.

That would be the haircut 💇‍♂️
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: DJC on May 11, 2024, 08:43:59 pm
Ollie Hollands comprehensively outplayed Ed Langdon who, until recently, was the wingman every team wanted.  Yes, Langdon got a few possessions in the second half but he did nothing with them.

Ollie is in his second season and he has a lot of development ahead of him.  That doesn’t detract from the fact that his first quarter was outstanding, and was an important factor in our five goal lead, and his game was his best yet in navy blue.

Enjoy his success and look forward to continual improvement but don’t focus on the few errors he made, no more than Crippa, Walsh, Weiters and our other seasoned campaigners made.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: pinot on May 11, 2024, 09:58:30 pm
Ollie has a long way to go but has time on his side.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: dodge on May 11, 2024, 10:52:34 pm
Unless he is being chased down the wing :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on May 11, 2024, 11:21:06 pm
Until the 'heat' arrived in the 2nd half. Those of us who are critical of Ollie are not critical of his endeavour and effort. And we're not saying he's no good, or should not be out there. Simply observations of his inexperience in tight and physical situations. He's a ripper... with things to clean up on, especially hurting the opposition with his disposal, strengthening his body to stick tackles, surety by hand and foot in pressure situations... they'll come in time. But they're real shortcomings at present.

And everyone looked amazing in our first half, until the Go Dees brought the heat, then the wheat was sorted from the chaff.

He wasn't the lone ranger and a couple of errors shouldn't eclipse a rather important role he played in us having a 5 to 0 headstart at quarter time.  Even his caught in possession moments it was facing his opposition and getting caught by third man in from behind.  That's on his teamates not letting him know he's hot IMHO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: BlackRooster on May 13, 2024, 07:00:12 pm
Gee, two things late in that game.

Firstly, we are still panicking with the footy and using it poorly, it's like we aren't able to stay composed and we are letting opposition back in mostly through poor ball use.

Secondly, what the feck were some of those free kicks to the Dees, and the non-free to us for virtually the same, and how the hell can those decision all of a sudden become so one sided!

I saw the behind the goals vision of Petracca throwing Hewett to the ground, and the central umpire was standing at our CHB position watching and did nothing! The Dees repeatedly take the footy and try to charge through the pack, it's play on or ball up, Cripps is the only player trying to actually pick the ball up in the middle and gets pinged!

To add to the above what about McLovins no mark in the goal square?? Its either a mark or chopping of the arms
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: BlackRooster on May 13, 2024, 07:02:50 pm
Just got home  from the game, having a JD to settle the nerves. We did panic a bit in the last quarter and lost our structure.
Take the win and the possitives from the first half and move on.


I was there and agree, we panicked in the last. I did feel when Cerra wehnt down they started to get back into the game.  Anyone 4 points in the bag, :)