Carlton Supporters Club

Did last week take it out of us - it was a wet slog last week and we had to do everything to hold on.

Sydney oval is comical - one kick, goal 🙄

Harry’s Miss right in front was PUTRID! No excuses.

Charlie is not playing well and pushed off the ball way too easily.

So many unsighted players -
Kennedy the only to consistently stand out as ok.  Even Hewitt who is usually solid, did stuff all.

Missing - TDK, Owies, FANTASIA!, kemp!

What a disastrous putrid game. 

Umpiring didn’t make us lose but they too were putrid - not 15 not 15 play on play on. Give me a break!

If anyone thinks another a journey out to Ed's place will do the trick. Nuh. These issues go much deeper. And it aint the players.

Coaches, footy dept and MC need a rocket ...and an audit of the game plan. Nothing about us has looked convincing and authoritative this year. Moments of brilliance ...when the opposition relax a little, or haven't gotten going yet.

Actually I think the club needs to make an official statement the performance was unacceptable and a review is now enacted before things get worse. I have lost all faith in the Austins, Russells and CFC coaches of this world unless pragmatic changes are enacted.. unfortunately, the pragmatic changes are game plan changing to this broken system. Lets see what happens against the lesser teamn because we have failed miserably against the contenders and no way do we deserve a flag or should be in the window for it as too many accept mediocrity.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's hurt that back again.
There was definitely something wrong, and it wasn't just after that heavy bump near the end

I never want to see Fantasia in the senior team again. 

Swans have had 17 players who have played every game this year while we can't get a bloke on the park.

Doesnt help when some of your blokes cant get the ball, wont lay a tackle and bail out of contests either.....those are non negotiables. Can accept losing on lack of talent caused by injuries but losing by lack of effort isnt on.

Doesnt help when some of your blokes cant get the ball, wont lay a tackle and bail out of contests either.....those are non negotiables. Can accept losing on lack of talent caused by injuries but losing by lack of effort isnt on.

Agree. Seriously though, can we hire an NRL tackling coach? I'm sick of blokes walking through our tackles.

Patiently awaiting for the Voss presser I know he is not going to make excuses but if he props up this game plan then I am going to be concerned that he doesnt know what he is doing - losing 4 of 6 against contenders justifies it.

We lost them all in the same stretch last year, many in embarrassing fashion. after round 13 we beat who we lost too.

Wasn't expecting miracles with what was 5 consecutive blockbusters but of the first 4 we won two and pissed 2 others down the drain narrowly with half a side out. Highly competitive against contenders even with the injuries. Tonight, we mentally fell apart and gave up. Tonight was terrible in effort. Injuries are no excuse for a lack of effort.

@rocky Agreed, that was however our worst performance by far. Like you I didn't expect to beat them given how good they are travelling and how many injuries we have. I did think we had a reasonable side on paper and in the first qtr we looked every bit a good side. Once they turned the pressure up we went to water. I expected a better effort than that. On face value, the only one who tried for 4 qtrs was Pitto. I felt the rest were atrocious for 3.5 qtrs. Once again too many (1/2 dozen) out there provided the same effort and contribution as a witch's hat wearing a CFC jumper. Oh and those calling for Pitto to be dropped, he showed why TDK still has L Plates on and needs a licenced driver sitting next to him.

I agree Lods. Also, we’ve been up and about for 12 months : in that time we’ve won most games and played a heap of great footy. A stinker was bound to drop sooner or later.

One of the biggest pieces of nonsense sprouted by players and coaches is this rubbish about “One soldier out, next soldier in.”

It might work for the Russian Army… but it sure doesn’t work for us.
Not with our current list of injuries.

A ‘good soldier out’ puts an additional burden on your better players who have to carry an extra load.

It puts an additional burden on your fringe players who lose support from, not only the missing player, but also the star players.

Roles change
Structures change,
Your prime movers are covered more easily.
Players carry injuries into games through necessity.

What we saw last night was the cumulative effect of a series of hard games, and missing players.
It takes a toll, and unfortunately it may not be a short fix.
We’ll get players back…but I suspect we’ll also lose some.

Good teams find a way, we were not even competitive after quarter time.
Tired and we are not even midway through the season? About 4 or 5 of our blokes haven't had a kick for weeks now, don't know how they got tired...running through the banner?
It was all about effort and lack of..as soon as the Swans locked down on Cripps and Walsh we stopped and lost interest when it got hard. The SCG isn't a big ground but requires contested players who can get their own ball, break tackles and scrap for loose balls. Sure we have injuries but good teams ie Collingwood last season find a way to win and be competitive.
We were the lazy, non competitive bruise free Blues last night and I thought those days were over...

I wouldn't call us bruise free.  There was plenty of effort but not much method.  Tactics are the difference between talent and ability and a good footy team.  We rely heavily on talented individuals it seems. 

Swans walked through our tackles and we had players pull up in contests. Look at the one per center stats too.

Swans walked through our tackles and we had players pull up in contests. Look at the one per center stats too.

I think you boys are confusing getting blown away by a team in peak physical form, fitness with a team thats been banged up, the boys were willing we just didnt have the wheels to go with them and got cut up once the swans running game got going.  The Swans destroyed gws not long ago in similar fashion.

When you're slow and spemding your chips trying to go quick, the inside work eventually drops off because you're gassed.  Last night wasn't about effort, or even desire.  The desire was there, if it wasn't the first quarter doesn't happen where we go 4 goals up.  The consistency is what's missing, and some capability.

It has been a tough run for sure but two rucks and three small forwards taking run run away from the middle has been a miserable failure and needs to take ownership. I wont trust the guy with this list if he doesn't.

Well we are definitely not a top four side. At least six other teams have better cohesion and understanding between the lines.

Really liked Vossy's media conference. No excuses. Nailed the reasons - connection and lack of pro-activeness. He slammed shut the door on injuries as an excuse. Good.

I've banged on about being the hunters -- a mindset -- and that was low, except for the backline... most of them go hard and strong. The rest tried hard; lots of effort but confident, mongrel intensity was just not there... the kind of intensity needed to intimidate the opposition. The Bluebagger spirit evaporated last night. It wasn't us out there.

I felt for the backline... little defensive intensity from most of the mids. Midfield/forward line connection - non-existent... get your acts together relevant coaches - you are failing to instill ruthless intensity at the contest into your charges. As for the game-day strategic coach - obviously went home at qtr time once the Fluffy Ducks countered his strategies.

Easily broken tackles, dropped marks, looking tired... how can that be with not even half the season played? When that uncompromising determination is missing between the lugholes, you look slow, tired, inconsistent and lacking spirit.

Disappointed? Yep. Giving up on going deep into September? Not even a little bit. 100% confidence in Vossy... and Sammy. Perhaps some other coaches are letting down Vossy and the players. These coaches received some pretty damning feedback from the Fluffy Ducks. Leadership?

.............................................................................. That incident is a main reason I do not want to see prior opportunity removed, it's not football, if fans want to go see that sort of game go and watch soccer instead! I'd be happy to ban kicking off the ground altogether!

I'll be curious to see if any Carlton players get Coaches' votes.

Newman had a big game.

I guess he might scrape in a vote or two. I thought Pittonet and Acres were ok-ish, but it was a pretty dark day all round, and we shouldn't sugarcoat it IMO.

I like what I heard from Voss, he knows what the problems are and wasnt offering excuses.....the Swans stepped up the pressure and we couldnt go with them and if your midfield is being overwhelmed then its hard for your defense to stem the flow especially on a one kick to the goal square ground like the SCG.
I would probably like to see a bit more innovative thinking when we are being swamped like in the 3rd quarter, its fine leaving all the pieces where they are when the game is close and backing your players in to win the day but when the opposition are all over you its time to make some serious changes and move the magnets like Collingwood under McRae do well to get back into games.

For me our main problem is headspace, in the 2nd quarter the Swans up the pressure and our fumbles and hesitation set in, which means we lose time and space and it becomes a feedback loop.

I didn't have an issue with the team and selection other than I think Fantasia has been given too many chances already, when he gets the chop he won't have grounds to complain.

I thought we matched up pretty well against Sydney, and I think the 1st Qtr showed that, afterwards our problems were caused by panic and fumbling. Partly it might be an issue of too many lightweights not willing to wear contact, but perhaps they are being coached that way.

Of our smalls only Owies is prepared to head into heavy traffic, Durdin and Fantasia hardly make contact hunting the footy, although Durdin does chase and tackle he's not as fast as I had hoped. But to carry all three of Fantasia, Owies and Durdin we need them all channelling Papley and Boyd and be willing to get inside and do some of the dirt moving, otherwise we end up down a man in contests all over the deck.

On the umpires, the only thing I say is two massive clangers again, BigH should have been given a 50m, not making excuses for his miss but he should have been on the goal line, and Boyd's penalty for grabbing the footy was ludicrous when a player is basically trying to kick it out of his hands. It is not footy to be kicking it off the ground, it needs to be a focus of the AFL officials to put an end to it. That incident is a main reason I do not want to see prior opportunity removed, it's not football, if fans want to go see that sort of game go and watch soccer instead! I'd be happy to ban kicking off the ground altogether!

One of the biggest pieces of nonsense sprouted by players and coaches is this rubbish about “One soldier out, next soldier in.”

It might work for the Russian Army… but it sure doesn’t work for us.
Not with our current list of injuries.

A ‘good soldier out’ puts an additional burden on your better players who have to carry an extra load.

It puts an additional burden on your fringe players who lose support from, not only the missing player, but also the star players.

Roles change
Structures change,
Your prime movers are covered more easily.
Players carry injuries into games through necessity.

What we saw last night was the cumulative effect of a series of hard games, and missing players.
It takes a toll, and unfortunately it may not be a short fix.
We’ll get players back…but I suspect we’ll also lose some.

As it stands right now. We're 10th.
Nowhere to hide I'm afraid 😨

Perhaps our biggest challenge, should our injured players be match fit as propsed, will be cohesion. Thus connection. When that’s lacking we lose confidence in our plays, hesitate, and increase pressure on ourselves.

Fortunately (as it turned out) missed the game last night. Agree with PaulP, need to just wipe this game and move on.
The next 3 weeks against GC, Port and the Don's suddenly season defining.
The group especially the leaders need to take stock, reset and come out with purpose next week. What happens above the shoulders will be the key. A bit of luck with injuries will help also!

Many found wanting tonight, but the main concerns will be Weitering....
and Walsh

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's hurt that back again.
There was definitely something wrong, and it wasn't just after that heavy bump near the end

It's not about the loss it's about how we rebound after it. Every side has crap losses. Sydney's one loss was to Richmond.

If we beat both Port and Essendon we are are back on track, lose one or both and we are going to play catchup with the top 4 imho. I expect to beat Gold Coast comfortably....

Hmmmm tagging, or scragging, or free kick every day of the week?  Time to show this to the umpires' department.....

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Absolutely. Shocking, and not uncommon.

Swans would argue Heeney/Warner were being held most of the time as well and I think this is why umps dont bother calling these frees...

Agree, I think the holding and blocking at stoppages happens on both sides, it has to be very bad to be paid. 

What happens to Walsh and Cripps is horrendous, our taggers barely make contact by comparison, our blokes are disadvantaged because we aren't being coached to go outside the rules.

We seem to get pinged for holding at stoppages more often than our opponents, despite being a lot less physical and blocking rather than grappling.

I know that we can’t blame the umpires for the result, and free kicks miraculously ended up at 19 apiece, but it’s where and when frees are and aren’t paid that makes a difference.

If the right decisions had been made in the first quarter, we would have had a six or seven goal lead at the first break.  That’s the kind of margin that can affect team performance.

The bottom line is that the 23 blokes we had on the park weren’t good enough … but they could have been 🤔

we somehow manage to have frees paid against us directly in front of goals but hardly ever get one ourselves.

Perhaps umpires wish to set the ground rules early in the game, possibly subconsciously, then relax their interpretation as the game progresses.

Hmmmm tagging, or scragging, or free kick every day of the week?  Time to show this to the umpires' department.....

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The two frees paid against Zac Williams for holding Elliott are a case in point.  Collingwood defenders did exactly the same to our forwards several times later in the game and there wasn't a whistle to be heard.

Perhaps umpires wish to set the ground rules early in the game, possibly subconsciously, then relax their interpretation as the game progresses.

Was thinking much the same, but he hunts the pill and gets zero protection, the game the way it is being umpired is starting to reward the snipers.

I don't mind the tackling, but not when they just flop into the backs of Cripps and Walsh without penalty.

Hmmmm tagging, or scragging, or free kick every day of the week?  Time to show this to the umpires' department.....

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