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Title: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: crashlander on May 29, 2024, 09:04:43 pm
On a Sunday afternoon at Preston at 14:05. Preston are 21st; we're 20th.
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Post by: crashlander on May 30, 2024, 11:14:58 pm
Considering that Jack Carroll had so little game time, I hope they play him in the 2's. He needs a good run.
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Post by: tonyo on May 31, 2024, 10:30:14 am
Does Cooper Ford run out in this one.....?
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Post by: crashlander on May 31, 2024, 08:46:10 pm
For a change, the line-up is available today. Mirabile visu!
B: [38] Sam Durdin, [22] Caleb Marchbank, [33] Lewis Young HB: [35] Billy Wilson, [41] Domanic Akuei, [55] Lachlan Young C: [43] Ashton Moir, [25] Jaxon Binns, [50] Zavier Maher HF: [19] Corey Durdin, [34] Rob Monahan, [3] Jesse Motlop F: [52] Liam McMahon, [31] Harry Lemmey, [54] Ned Cahill R: [45] Alex Mirkov, [16] Jack Carroll, [51] Heath Ramshaw Int: [74] Logan Prout, [77] Will White, [57] Luke Nelson, [64] Archie Stevens, [73] Dane Harvey, [79] Jack Lefroy, [80] Bailey Lambert
Em: [56] Flynn Riley, [62] Hayden Gill, [75] Oliver Poole, [66] Luca Goonan, [58] Michael Lewis
Nice to see Carroll named, although he may not play. We wouldn't have named so many Emergencies is someone wasn't going to come out. I guess Lemmey must be questionable as well. Marchbank: an interesting question. I'd love him to play as he gives our defence some experience that we really lack. But, can he get onto the park? I'm very happy to see Motlop and Corey Durdin named. That should improve our goalkicking. And both of them need a good game or three. Our defence looks top-heavy, but I guess we have to play these guys. I'd be tempted to play Dom Akuei forward, especially if there isn't a decent matchup for him. He can take a mark, even if he couldn't out-body me.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 31, 2024, 08:56:39 pm
Spotlight will be on: C Durdin Motlop Moir Carroll will get kms in the legs but needs to do a lot
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: crashlander on June 01, 2024, 11:11:29 pm
For a change, the line-up is available today. Mirabile visu!
B: [38] Sam Durdin, [22] Caleb Marchbank, [33] Lewis Young HB: [35] Billy Wilson, [41] Domanic Akuei, [55] Lachlan Young C: [43] Ashton Moir, [25] Jaxon Binns, [50] Zavier Maher HF: [19] Corey Durdin, [34] Rob Monahan, [3] Jesse Motlop F: [52] Liam McMahon, [31] Harry Lemmey, [54] Ned Cahill R: [45] Alex Mirkov, [16] Jack Carroll, [51] Heath Ramshaw Int: [74] Logan Prout, [77] Will White, [57] Luke Nelson, [64] Archie Stevens, [73] Dane Harvey, [79] Jack Lefroy, [80] Bailey Lambert
Em: [56] Flynn Riley, [62] Hayden Gill, [75] Oliver Poole, [66] Luca Goonan, [58] Michael Lewis
Nice to see Carroll named, although he may not play. We wouldn't have named so many Emergencies is someone wasn't going to come out. I guess Lemmey must be questionable as well. Marchbank: an interesting question. I'd love him to play as he gives our defence some experience that we really lack. But, can he get onto the park? I'm very happy to see Motlop and Corey Durdin named. That should improve our goalkicking. And both of them need a good game or three. Our defence looks top-heavy, but I guess we have to play these guys. I'd be tempted to play Dom Akuei forward, especially if there isn't a decent matchup for him. He can take a mark, even if he couldn't out-body me.
I would have liked to see Cooper Lord play, but it is probably a good idea to know his teammates first.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 05:49:12 am
What a load of rubbish our VFL is. Looks like Binns and Akui not playing and neither us Lord.
It seems one of those accepted truths in AFL that a whole-of-club positive trajectory is an important component of success for the seniors. If so, we've got a way to go with the VFL team. They seem to be going backwards.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: laj on June 02, 2024, 02:38:46 pm
My AFL side v my old VFA side.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 02, 2024, 02:43:55 pm
x 2 Bullants Coached by ex VFA player player Rohan Welsh who of course played with the Blues until a terrible leg injury I think it was cut his career short. ex Saint long retired Sam Gilbert playing for the Bullants....
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Post by: Thryleon on June 02, 2024, 02:44:25 pm
It seems one of those accepted truths in AFL that a whole-of-club positive trajectory is an important component of success for the seniors. If so, we've got a way to go with the VFL team. They seem to be going backwards.
as much as this might be true, a lack of continuity and injury issue in the ones has the flow on effect in the twos. It's also a 4 goal southerly blowing according to the commentary team which favoured the ballasts first quarter. We'll see how the second goes I reckon which might give us an indicator.
Maybe they should merge.... 🤣
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 02, 2024, 02:48:13 pm
as much as this might be true, a lack of continuity and injury issue in the ones has the flow on effect in the twos. It's also a 4 goal southerly blowing according to the commentary team which favoured the ballasts first quarter. We'll see how the second goes I reckon which might give us an indicator.
Maybe they should merge.... 🤣
Back in the old days we would have been at risk of relegation to Div 2.....imagine the mighty Carlton playing the likes of Sunshine, Camberwell, Yarraville etc...
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 02:51:52 pm
Putrid first 15 minutes, then started to get some ball only to give up 2 late goals. Still in this if we get our arses into gear, we should steamroll a bunch of part-timers. Carroll certainly fighting to keep his spot in the ones, little Durds prominent and Billy Wilson showing something as is Moir to a lesser extent but Motlop, Binns, Marchbank virtually unsighted and Young beaten.
Down 15-45 at QT and give up the first of Q2 almost immediately.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: tex on June 02, 2024, 02:57:41 pm
Have not sighted Motlop
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Post by: laj on June 02, 2024, 03:09:20 pm
Miles off at the moment. Hopefully a better second half.
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Post by: Gointocarlton on June 02, 2024, 03:19:08 pm
Suffice to say Durdin and Motlop would have to have spectacular second halves to displace anyone from the 1s, they absolutely stink. Marchbank won't be getting a game anytime soon.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 02, 2024, 03:22:07 pm
If they have a decent 3rd quarter with the wind then its over, you wouldnt be promoting anyone to the seniors based on todays efforts so far. Lewis has been ok down back, Ramshaw gives some effort but a lot of our AFL listed players have been non events and lacked intensity at the contest. Reckon Orazio would be sleeping well and thinking his position is safe....Motlop hasnt got near it all day and Durdin while getting a few kicks hasnt done a lot with them and should be doing much better given the opposition.
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Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 03:28:22 pm
Down at half time-54 34, got into the game generally but crap in front of goal. Carroll still good little Durds busy. Billy Wilson likewise and I like Lemmey's skillset but gee he's laconic. Binns starting to get into it but butchered a goal from the square, Young doing some things right into Q2 but Moir went missing and Marchbank and especially Motlop horrendous. Still in this, same number of shots and if we click we have AFL quality players and they don't.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: DJC on June 02, 2024, 03:29:21 pm
Carroll is playing like a bloke with AFL experience and Wilson and Moir are playing like they want AFL experience. The rest? Not so much :(
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 03:31:56 pm
If they have a decent 3rd quarter with the wind then its over, you wouldnt be promoting anyone to the seniors based on todays efforts so far. Lewis has been ok down back, Ramshaw gives some effort but a lot of our AFL listed players have been non events and lacked intensity at the contest. Reckon Orazio would be sleeping well and thinking his position is safe....Motlop hasnt got near it all day and Durdin while getting a few kicks hasnt done a lot with them and should be doing much better given the opposition.
Bit harsh on Durdin I think. but certainly not a promotion-worthy performance by any No-one putting one of those in
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Post by: laj on June 02, 2024, 03:44:12 pm
Is Motlop actually out there? Not off the ground?
EDIT: Found him.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 02, 2024, 03:51:43 pm
If someone could play on Velissaris it might help...
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: Thryleon on June 02, 2024, 03:54:21 pm
If I didn't know who was an afl player and who wasn't you'd be looking at cahill, Carroll, ramshaw and maybe lemmy if we needed a tall, but McMahon ahead of him if we didn't need a ruck.
Biggest concerns is that our boys don't seem to like the contest and most of our afl boys don't look like being consistent over 4 quarters at this level aside from Carroll. Unless we have an injury. We shouldn't be making changes next week.
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Post by: northernblue on June 02, 2024, 03:56:05 pm
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Post by: LoveNavy on June 02, 2024, 03:58:15 pm
I haven't seen anyone wearing an AFL badge so far today.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 04:00:48 pm
For the Bullants Chubbys been a bit stiff ... wilth his shoulder playing up.
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Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 04:00:56 pm
Binnsy on the sidelines saying plan was to hold them in Q3 and comeat them in the last. Not going to plan so far, but at least we've got value for our forward entries the quarter.
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Post by: PaulP on June 02, 2024, 04:04:14 pm
Binnsy on the sidelines saying plan was to hold them in Q3 and comeat them in the last. Not going to plan so far, but at least we've got value for our forward entries the quarter.
Are you at the ground Ian ?
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Post by: laj on June 02, 2024, 04:05:55 pm
So we need 7 goals and change in the last qtr.
Nup!
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Post by: Thryleon on June 02, 2024, 04:09:53 pm
there's a strong 4 goal wind going that way. When the blues had it second quarter we kicked 1 goal 6, so it's doable. That last kick by McMahon would have been handy.
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Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 04:15:53 pm
Down 47-89 at 3QT would have to turn things around massively but if we want it we have a big superiority in talent. Effort and desire are another matter. Carroll far and away the best AFL-listed player out there, Binns quiet by his standards but one of our best still, Billy Wilson and Corey Durdin showing something. On the other hand Motlop has been abyssmal and the big defenders Young and especially Marchbank badly beaten. I see Young has been thrown forward for the last quarter.
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Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 04:17:27 pm
Yes, only one's worth anything were Carroll and Billy Wilson.
Thought Wilson was very average and dont get the hype on him, got very nervous when he had to stand under a high ball and dropped an easy mark, too outside for my liking and miles off senior footy. Carroll was ok but his opponent was BOG....
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Post by: LoveNavy on June 02, 2024, 04:52:44 pm
We had 3 AFL players at the centre bounce and couldn't do any damage.
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Post by: crashlander on June 02, 2024, 05:02:36 pm
Thought Wilson was very average and dont get the hype on him, got very nervous when he had to stand under a high ball and dropped an easy mark, too outside for my liking and miles off senior footy. Carroll was ok but his opponent was BOG....
I thought Wilson did some nice things. He was far from our worst, but he isn't great overhead. I think that is his biggest weakness.
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Post by: LP on June 02, 2024, 05:05:22 pm
Thought Wilson was very average and dont get the hype on him,
I wouldn't be worried too much about him, it's the non-event of Marchbank, Motlop, Young, Durdin and Mirkov that is the bigger worry for me. Hardly a shot fired among them!
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Post by: DJC on June 02, 2024, 05:06:33 pm
We were up against it from the start; bloody Bullants had William Wallace playing for them ...
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Post by: northernblue on June 02, 2024, 05:07:28 pm
🤣
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Post by: BluePhantom on June 02, 2024, 05:14:34 pm
Haven't read any info about the game but did our new Lord play today?
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Post by: LP on June 02, 2024, 05:15:21 pm
I wouldn't be worried too much about him, it's the non-event of Marchbank, Motlop, Young, Durdin and Mirkov that is the bigger worry for me. Hardly a shot fired among them!
They beat the Pies 2 weeks ago too. Some actually do much better in the seniors than the twos for some reason, although Motlop, Durdin and Young won't be getting a game anytime soon. Motlop is way off match fitness-wise.
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Post by: Lods on June 02, 2024, 05:21:43 pm
Probably makes sense not to play Lord straight away. Planning would have been going on for a week for the game...he wouldn't have been up to speed. Just from a settling in and confidence aspect no harm in waiting a week and getting himself familiar.
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Post by: Gointocarlton on June 02, 2024, 05:25:19 pm
Probably makes sense not to play Lord straight away. Planning would have been going on for a week for the game...he wouldn't have been up to speed. Just from a settling in and confidence aspect no harm in waiting a week and getting himself familiar.
It will take at least two weeks to knock the Norf crap out of him.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: crashlander on June 02, 2024, 05:30:38 pm
Very disappointed. Being beaten by Preston is inexcusable, even on their patch.
[1] Not having someone pick up Velissaris was stupid in the extreme. But both of the Bullants' main mids had a picnic, as our mids have no idea how to play in the centre square. I was blue in the face looking at the ruck contests. Mirkov isn't going to make it, but that doesn't mean he has to be manhandled as he was. If he looked away, he gave away a free, but his opponents could do anything but kill him and it meant nothing. That irritated me no end. Our mids were always in the wrong spot, so Preston just walked the ball out of the middle. The only mid we had that did anything in the centre square was Carroll, but even he did better work at the ballups.
[2] Umpires: a pet peeve. I know how difficult the game is to umpire as I've done my share of doing so. but even so, this was almost as bad as the senior game against Gold Coast. In the 3rd quarter we got 2 frees to their 10 in a seventeen minute period. Our players were looking around in horror at the decisions, because they couldn't believe them. And this when every single ruck contest had the Preston rucks grabbing Mirkov's jumper and trying to shepherd him out. He looked around and couldn't believe it either. In the end, I couldn't watch any more and went to do some shopping.
[3] Kicking for goal: like the seniors, we couldn't buy a goal. Our kicking at goal was ordinary in the extreme. But one of the reasons was that we weren't getting a lot of easy shots. The number of times miskicks and the like ended up as Preston goals was mind-blowing. Yet, we could muck up almost anything.
[4] Senior players didn't contribute much: other than Carroll, who played a very solid game (and his disposal wasn't bad either), the other senior players contributed little. Motlop had 8 possessions, 6 coming when he was on the ball. Corey Durdin had 15 and a goal, but he couldn't have tackled me. Moir's 12 possessions were an improvement, but he still has some way to go. Even Binns was relatively quiet (21 possessions). Marchbank was ordinary, as was Young, but the ball came down pretty easily. The same could not be said going the other way.
[5] Monahan looks promising, but he has a long way to go. And we don't seem to use him very well. I'd be getting him to lead from deep so he can use his pace, somewhat like we used to do with brad Pearce. That would play to his strengths instead of his weaknesses. Lemmey wasn't as bad as he has been: he took a couple of nice marks, but he has a long way to go. Moir was better, but still a long way from being a senior player.
[6] Poor skills: we struggled to hold a tackle, especially in the 3rd and 1st quarters. They had an advantage in body size and strength and we didn't bring them down often enough. That was bad, but it was the kicking and handballing that was nowhere near a team mate that hurt.
[7] I brought this up in the pres-season: is Power the man for the job? I have been quite happy with his work developing some of our youngsters, but his coaching leaves me wondering if we shouldn't have someone else. We don't seem to play for each other enough. Robert Walls always said 'make your team mate the best player on the ground': I don't see that with the 2's. Granted that we lack talent, especially in the middle of the ground, but ...
[8] I am really disappointed in our midfield this year. last year Dow got 30 - 40 possessions each week as Mirkov hit the ball in his direction. Mirkov is still getting taps, but our mids do not get the clearances. Grant you that we have VFL mids, but other clubs seems to have better, stronger, faster mids than we do.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: crashlander on June 02, 2024, 05:44:31 pm
While I'm at it:
[9] On field leadership: we don't appear to have much. I know we recruited Lachie Young so we'd have an experienced player, but he doesn't appear to do a lot of captainy things to me. He tried hard enough, and he get a fair amount of ball, but he isn't a great decision maker and he doesn't do the clutch things. However, he is a superstar compared to Phillips, who cannot get a game at the moment. he has been a huge disappointment and has offered very little in the terms of leadership. Ned Cahill can, but he doesn't get the possessions to make a difference often enough. And he misses too many goals. But he gives as much leadership as he can. Our taller defenders have offered nothing in terms of leadership, not even winning one-on-one contests.
[10] Kicking goals: our forward footy isn't great. Our skills are ordinary and we lack body strength all over the field. However, our key goal kickers don't do enough regularly enough. I like a lot of what Liam McMahon brings, but he doesn't complete the marks he could. he gets out bodied too easily. However, he still kicks goals as he has some idea what to do. Lemmey and Monahan offer relatively little at this point and none of them takes a big, contest mark. I don't think they are utilized that well: I'd have Monahan leading from the square and leading hard into open space, where his pace is a winner. Lemmey is a work in progress, but he has a lot of work and a lot more desire to show before he is senior ready. I quite like his ruckwork.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 09:01:59 pm
Lose 83-95 - came back at them in the last with some early goals but couldn't reel them in on the day. Motlop finally turned up in the last quarter once moved into the midfield but stank for the first 3. No chance of a promotion this week. No-one really put their hand up, Carroll was I think clearly our best and has probably saved his spot in the side and possibly got himself off the sub bench. Binns had one of his worst games but was still amongst our best, Wilson showed AFL qualities and Durdin was reasonably busy but none of them cried out for a promotion. I think no unforced changes for the ones next week.
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Post by: madbluboy on June 02, 2024, 09:03:45 pm
95-83
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Post by: blueianh on June 02, 2024, 09:22:06 pm
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Post by: pew2 on June 03, 2024, 03:35:05 pm
there is not much in our vfl side to get excited about
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Post by: Thryleon on June 03, 2024, 04:36:13 pm
^^ Its not all doom and gloom, but suggesting that the ones in the ones currently deserve to go out based on what they dont do, based on what else is there, is a bit fanciful. They need form, fitness, and in some cases to build the ability to compete at VFL level before thinking about AFL footy. How many times do we moan about making an opponents kid a superstar? None of ours are showing that sort of capability at the minute. Thats fine, it means they arent ready for the step up. Mohr did show a little bit, but they all flashed in and out of the game. Dropping an AFL hardened competitor for one of these kids at this stage of their development is likely to break their confidence and send them backwards.
I dont want them in because it will likely break them not because they couldnt play. You would have to know their fortitude and faculties rather than anything else to know for sure.
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Post by: Gointocarlton on June 03, 2024, 06:45:34 pm
there is not much in our vfl side to get excited about
Thats not true, couple of the VFL players look like goers😂 But seriously, the cupboard is bare. # Player G B D HO M T 3 Jesse Motlop 0 0 8 0 2 6 16 Jack Carroll 0 1 32 0 4 1 19 Corey Durdin 1 1 15 0 5 3 22 Caleb Marchbank 0 1 13 0 3 2 25 Jaxon Binns 1 2 21 0 3 1 31 Harry Lemmey 0 2 13 5 5 1 33 Lewis Young 1 0 13 0 2 1 34 Rob Monahan 0 0 6 0 2 1 35 Billy Wilson 0 0 26 0 4 2 43 Ashton Moir 0 0 14 0 5 1 45 Alex Mirkov 0 0 13 37 0 4
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 10 Carlton vs Preston at Preston
Post by: Adelaideblue on June 04, 2024, 02:19:28 pm
Rob Monahan - If playing at CHF perhaps a big ask for a boy who didn't grow up playing the game. Wonder if he's had a run at CHB? That straight ahead role would seem a better position to learn the game. However, interested to hear views from those who have seen him play. Sounds like he has some talent.
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Post by: DJC on June 04, 2024, 03:18:00 pm
Rob Monahan - If playing at CHF perhaps a big ask for a boy who didn't grow up playing the game. Wonder if he's had a run at CHB? That straight ahead role would seem a better position to learn the game. However, interested to hear views from those who have seen him play. Sounds like he has some talent.
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It's traditional to play Irish recruits off the half back line and I think that it's worth trying a different approach with Monahan. He's playing as a flanker rather than CHF and he has the speed and agility to do well in that role. Some of his field kicking is outstanding in terms of the degree of difficulty and execution.
The problem as I see it is that we're relying on a bloke who has never played the game before with some teammates in their first season out of junior footy and some with a bit more experience at VFL or lower levels. He's bound to make errors and there's no old head to point him in the right direction.
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Post by: blueianh on June 04, 2024, 03:52:37 pm
A lot to like athletically and shows footskills but raw as raw can be. Monahan reminds me a bit of Colin Corkery who had a stint in the 2s but went home and became a star Gaelic player. Tall quick goal-kicking wingman I think could have been anything if he'd persevered with us.