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Any update on chugga

Solid.
We did as we needed to.
Good to put these bastards to the sword.
Acknowledging the weather, I still think Weiters was a bit fumbly at times.
I liked the look of their Kosi guy.

Greetings from Via Della Croce in Rome.
Happy with the 10 goal flogging.
3 votes P Cripps
Gonna need to be very good player to Chaz off him this year.
Go Blues
#theladderdoesntlie

Greetings from cold wet Melbourne GTC, enjoy your trip/holiday...

Greetings from Via Della Croce in Rome.
Happy with the 10 goal flogging.
3 votes P Cripps
Gonna need to be very good player to Chaz off him this year.
Floodgates opened for Orazio it would seem.
Go Blues
#theladderdoesntlie

32degC, nice little zephyr snd not a cloud in the sky my friend.

The second quarter was atrocious, we got a few up and then put the cue in the rack, they got a sniff and took it up to us.

Thank god they flicked the switch in the third, after Ess, Coll & Syd getting rolled, the door was wide open for us on the ladder. Now we are 6 points clear of 3rd and only 2 games from top so we have some buffers either side of us.

2nd place may be the right spot to finish this year.

I didn't like Pittonet's game but he did have a strong last quarter. Fantasia, who is one of my whipping boys, bobbed up with 4 good goals but that is his job so its not like he went above and beyond.

A lot of our B-Graders were excellent today, they weren't afraid to get their hands dirty regardless of the potential harm that may come their way. 

FFS, can someone brainwash Curnow so he can perform some second efforts, it was embarrassing at times.

I got really angry with the umpiring when Kotzichke took an overheard mark and goaled. Weitering was held out of the marking contest twice by Taranto, it was so obvious that one of the commentators made mention of it too.

Winning form is good form so there isn't a lot to complain about really.  

We have one obvious place we can improve to me. 

It's the little blocks and holds that we could out on our opponents at times.  Give the ball, and block and you give a teamate an extra couple of seconds. 

Decision making at times too, but its just a tidy up and sharpen up that's needed.  Guys like cincotta just do it because that's what they've known coming from the bottom levels, where some of our senior guts haven't done it in the vfl where things are more brutal.

One or two too many handballs coming out of the backline.
Did this a few times yesterday, putting the receiver under pressure. Sometimes some handballs were too loopy to. Too much hang time.

Kick to a forward on the lead would nice, instead of just bombing it into the 50.

One or two too many handballs coming out of the backline.
Did this a few times yesterday, putting the receiver under pressure. Sometimes some handballs were too loopy to. Too much hang time.

Kick to a forward on the lead would nice, instead of just bombing it into the 50.

Solid.
We did as we needed to.
Good to put these bastards to the sword.
Acknowledging the weather, I still think Weiters was a bit fumbly at times.
I liked the look of their Kosi guy.

Kennedy's knee is probably the major concern.
Hopefully it's nothing serious...

But we had a few minor injuries today....Williams, Saad and Owies all seemed to roll ankles at different times.
Cerra subbed out (hopefully just time management) so injury watch will be interesting.

Is this the same Kosi guy that played/plays for Hawthorn? Related maybe?

Jacob Koschitzke . Same guy. He played at Hawthorn for a few seasons, then traded to Richmond at the start of this year.

Interesting to see if Boyd gets cited.  Front on but opponent clearly ducked and wasn't hurt.  Then again, Boyd isn't president of the AFLPA.

Thanks PP.

Knee on knee contact in a rucking contest according the the radio.
Hopefully not a PCL.

is there any chance we can give Weitering a rest and my only concern was our slow ball movement from defence

is there any chance we can give Weitering a rest and my only concern was our slow ball movement from defence

Knee on knee contact in a rucking contest according the the radio.
Hopefully not a PCL.

Thats why you don't listen to the radio.

It was highlighted on tv exactly where it happened and how it happened and it had nothing to do with the ruck.

Kennedy's injury happened during a ruck contest with Koschitzke.  Koschitzke "leant" on Kennedy as they were contesting a ball up and Kennedy's knee buckled.  That's the risk you take when you put a midfielder into the ruck against a taller, heavier ruckman, even if he's a part timer.

I suggest you watch it again, its available in the middle of this story.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1161352/brutal-carlton-blues-flex-their-muscles-dusty-martin-adds-to-richmond-tigers-injury-woes

Kennedy tripped over Taranto running past and his knee buckled before there was any contact in the ruck contest.

Something like that can happen to anyone at any part of the ground at any given time.

Its not because he's been played in the ruck.

Have a look at the link I posted earlier. Taranto and Kennedy's feet clash and Kennedy's left foot takes his weight.  Koschitzke then engages with Kennedy for the ruck contest and Kennedy's knee buckles inwards.  If Koschitzke is out of the equation, Kennedy would be fine.

What happened to Kennedy turns me grey when I think that we ruck Cripps and BigH, the risk is palpable! :o

Jordan Boyd offered a 1 match ban.

I don't need to have a look at the link, i just linked it.
He is going down before there is any interference in the ruck contest.

No, you do need to look at it again because it’s obvious that the contact with Koschitzke  causes Kennedy’s knee to flex laterally. Without the force applied by Koschitzke when Kennedy’s lower leg is pinned, Kennedy gets away with a slightly rolled ankle and stays on the ground.

I think the question of whether or not to ruck certain players needs to be considered separately from the Kennedy incident. Cripps and McKay seem to take their fair share of ruck contests, so the club seems okay with it. I'd be curious to know if other clubs assign occasional rucking duties to their stars.

As an aside, to my eyes Taranto's foot seems the likely culprit.

So the ONLY reason Kennedy did his knee was because he was in a ruck contest??? Yeah nah.

If Taranto and him did the same thing and there was a brick wall there instead of Kosi, it would've been the brick walls fault too.

If what happened with Taranto didn't happen, then he doesn't do his knee. You know how i know this? Because he's done the same things 100's of times already in marking contests, rucking contests, midfield stoppage contests.

He was off balance because of the Taranto contact.
So far, that makes myself, Paul, the commentators agreeing with that side
and
You....and maybe LP blaming it on the ruck contest.

Side by side, in a push and shove and that would ONLY happen in a ruck contest?

As an aside, you suggesting the ONLY reason he hurt his knee was because of the lateral flex caused by Kosi, i refer you to a story i've told many a time previous about a former QB Teddy Bridgewater, who hurt his knee to the point where he almost had to get his leg amputated while at training......and without any contact whatsoever. Doctors said it was akin to a car crash......yet no contact.

Sometimes $h!t just happens.

You can play the blame game, but that did not occur because he was used as a ruckman. That occured because he was playing a game of footy and was a complete accident.

Paul Roos is a good example of what to do (and not do) with your stars in the ruck.

Paul Roos used to ruck Goodes....until he got a knee on knee while jumping at a centre bounce and did a PCL. He vowed never to use him in a centre bounce rucking contest again. (i believe they changed the rules since then anyway), but he never did.
However, he did use him in around the ground stuff when required because the chance of injury was no more or less than in any other contest around the ground, be it marking, or in a midfield battle.

Give it a break Kruddler; the foot clash with Taranto was a factor but it was the force applied by Koschitzke that did the damage.  Watch how Kennedy’s knee buckles as Koschitzke engages with him before winning the hitout.

Could the injury have happened in another play phase?  Of course it could, but it actually happened in a ruck contest and no amount of spin can change that.

utter garbage, Rich player ducked his head and forced the high contact. If he didnt duck his his head it would have been relatively a body on body contact. Roll out the KC.

Game has become a screwing joke

Game has become a screwing joke

Have you ever one a knee?

I have, multiple times. I can feel it while I watch that.
Most of the times I've done it was due to my weight being off balance rather than contact....just like Kennedy.
Difference was, I did my ACL.

If that is your strongest argument for needed 2 rucks in the side then I rest my case.

No it wasn't knee on knee.  Chugga's leg got pinned and his knee was bent inwards; classic medial ligament scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/u0PitVW8a44

Hopefully it won't be as serious as last season's high-grade MCL injury.

No matter what excuses get made, having valuable Mids, and even more valuable and rare Coleman Medallists, repeatedly wrestle with typically the heaviest and often the strongest opposition player will brings increased risk of injury.

No matter what excuses get made, having valuable Mids, and even more valuable and rare Coleman Medallists, repeatedly wrestle with typically the heaviest and often the strongest opposition player will brings increased risk of injury.

@EB...
Kennedy has he's place and i'm a fan of what he does too.
But he also has his weaknesses and his biggest one is his (lack of) pace.
Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy all playing midfield together opens us up to be hurt by speed.
Of all our mids, Kennedy would be the last one picked from our current lineup.......the caveat to that is unless he can play another role.

......which being 3rd tall / backup ruck....he has been doing. Take that away from him and he becomes less valuable as a pure mid IMO.

A couple things....
Firstly, when does Cripps, Kennedy or Harry get through a game without wrestling with a strong/heavy opponent? Happens every game regardless of where they play.
Hell, we've seen Durdin, Owies, Fantasia, Fogarty try and outwrestle KPD's in marking contests, sometimes 2 on 1, multiple times as well.

What happened was a complete accident due to the fact Kennedy was off balance and out of position due to the contact with Taranto. Don't make this a ruck injury because its not.

Secondly, since when has Kennedy been a 'valuable mid' ?

Over half the people on this forum have ommitted him from our best 22 in the latest incarnation.
Thats on a par with Lachie Cowan and Jack Martin in terms of cementing their place in the side.

He is a 'borderline best 22' player and its exactly those types that need multiple strings to their bow to give them a spot in the team.
Kennedy out and someone like Carroll in and we are not losing much. Truth be told, we added a mid for a small this week and probably could bring in another small to cover kennedy and not notice one bit.

FWIW, Cripps and Kosi are 3cm and 3kg difference. which is about the same difference as Cripps to Kennedy which is twice the difference from Kennedy to Walsh.
Question: Why doesn't Kennedy and Cripps' weight advantage injury midfielders every week given the relative weight difference is the same as Kosi to Kennedy?
Answer: Because it was a freak accident that was not about relative size/strength difference at all.

Officially Matthew Kennedy is 188cm and 91kg, Jacob Koschitzke is 196cm and 95kg, and Patrick Cripps is 195cm and 93kg (although weights are no longer official).

This was posted on the CFC twitter account a few minutes ago :

Matthew Kennedy (knee)
• Experienced knee soreness out of the game on Sunday however scans have cleared him of damage to his knee
• Will aim to train later this week in order to be available to play
• Availability: Test

If Kennedy is right I'd  be tempted to give him the week off or just do a swap with Hewett as sub.
That's the happy, strong position we find ourselves in...and it's been a long time coming ;D .

Kennedy looks like will only miss a week.

I posted this last night. Do I get different news to everyone else?

I posted this last night. Do I get different news to everyone else?

This was posted on the CFC twitter account a few minutes ago :

Matthew Kennedy (knee)
• Experienced knee soreness out of the game on Sunday however scans have cleared him of damage to his knee
• Will aim to train later this week in order to be available to play
• Availability: Test

Dont disagree he lacks pace but he isnt alone there and our midfield as a whole can exposed by pace as we saw vs the Swans and likewise they dont get back to help on the rebound either apart from Acres but thats the risk you take when your one wood is bigger contested mids.
Id have Kennedy competing with Hewett as the last mid picked and some may argue vs a team like the Swans only one of them can play. I see Kennedy as having more variety in his game in roles he can play making him a bit more valuable but thats just my opinion. In terms of rucking Im not a real fan of the 3rd tall type ruck at that 190cm height and prefer to see Harry or Cripps contesting when its not Pittonet or TDK available. Kosi is 196cm or 198cm/96kg depending on which website you read and thats too big for Kennedy imo and while he wasnt injured in that ruck contest directly  he shouldnt have been competing in the first place imo..

Sydney have natural wingers trying to play in the midfield. They got us in Sydney - they were in red hot foprm and we were missing some troops. But they still got us.. but imo playing wings in the midfield they will get crunched to the point of being afraid of their own shadow. I am not sure they have improved much since last year - Collingwood, Brisbane and Melbourne have gone backwards.
Sydney has improved but not that much. Can still put the fear of god in their wings -come-breakaway mids.

Sydney have natural wingers trying to play in the midfield. They got us in Sydney - they were in red hot foprm and we were missing some troops. But they still got us.. but imo playing wings in the midfield they will get crunched to the point of being afraid of their own shadow. I am not sure they have improved much since last year - Collingwood, Brisbane and Melbourne have gone backwards.
Sydney has improved but not that much. Can still put the fear of god in their wings -come-breakaway mids.

The pace of the Sydney midfielder on a fast MCG track in September worries me.
I saw glimpses last year in the finals and they have improved significantly since then.