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Title: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: crashlander on June 29, 2024, 11:02:13 am
In Sydney on Saturday night.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: pinot on June 30, 2024, 07:33:17 pm
Seems Chugga has done a medial - so will be out 4-6 weeks.

No one at VFL is really standing out right now - but there will be a spot for someone next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: townsendcalling on July 01, 2024, 01:43:25 am
Not for this week, but I think Matt Cottrell will be eyeing off a spot to grab when he returns in a few weeks and that is playing on the opposite wing to Acres. Big bodies, crash and bash finals football is more Cottrell's go than Ollie H and I just think Ollie too easily brushed aside and out muscled. The other positive is that, like Holland, Cottrell can run all day.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 01, 2024, 06:00:23 pm
Kennedy, and maybe Boyd out and with GWS on the rebound  after a poor loss to the Crows and the game being on their home deck, I think its a game where we might be struggling to win and Im not confident we can get it done.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: RiverRat on July 01, 2024, 06:41:51 pm
After watching the VFL game, I think Carroll might be the only ready-made option if one is needed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 01, 2024, 06:58:48 pm
After watching the VFL game, I think Carroll might be the only ready-made option if one is needed.
Agree.....Hewett in for Kennedy(inj) and Carroll sub, if Boyd is out then it gets harder, maybe Marchbank comes in as a defender which wouldnt ease my nerves for this game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: bricky on July 01, 2024, 07:06:44 pm
Cincotta could go down back but we must appeal
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: pertz on July 02, 2024, 12:57:33 pm
Cincotta could go down back but we must appeal
Absolutely we should appeal. Mansel ducked into it and went forward with his head.
Nothing Boyd could do.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: madbluboy on July 02, 2024, 04:23:38 pm
Is TDK injured?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on July 02, 2024, 04:57:50 pm
Leather poisoning?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: deepbluesee on July 02, 2024, 05:44:25 pm
Was lucky enough to get to a Carlton corporate lunch before the game on Sun and the guest speakers were TDK & Harry's mothers (they do a podcast together).
Mrs TDK joked that he wasn't allowed to play on Sunday as punishment of his not so nice play with brother Sam the week before - specifically mentioned the throwing the ball at Sam after the siren. Was quite funny. Hopefully she only grounded him for 1 Week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: WASurfer on July 02, 2024, 06:22:28 pm
Josh Kelly ruled out for GWS.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LoveNavy on July 02, 2024, 11:06:27 pm
Boyd cleared.

I couldn't believe he was cited in the first place. But what would I know?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: madbluboy on July 03, 2024, 09:44:31 am
They might play the 2 rucks this week after what happened last time we played.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Sub-Zero on July 03, 2024, 11:16:37 am
In: de Koning
Out: Pittonet or Kennedy (omitted or soreness)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: tex on July 03, 2024, 02:12:20 pm
In: TDK
Out: Pittonet

I’d be inclined for dropping Chugga if there’s a risk that there’s medial weakness and another week off would help him. Bring in Carroll

No other changes.
Cottrell, Martin to come in the week after maybe for Ollie and Orasio. Ollie has been poor of late…
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: pinot on July 03, 2024, 03:34:38 pm
Cotts has to come in if fit. He is as important as Cerra who was crucial in the first quarter and a bit when the heat was on and boys had to absorb alot of pressure early. No doubt Ollie should make way for him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: pew2 on July 03, 2024, 03:55:03 pm
for me a big Danger game to much media how well we are going and gws have season on the line type of Game
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: frostydog on July 04, 2024, 06:23:20 pm
In: T.De Koning, M.Cottrell
Out: M.Pittonet (omitted), G.Hewett (omitted)

Last week's sub: George Hewett
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on July 04, 2024, 06:37:22 pm
In: T.De Koning, M.Cottrell
Out: M.Pittonet (omitted), G.Hewett (omitted)

Last week's sub: George Hewett

Why are we not resting Kennedy??

Sub to come from....
[2] Lachlan Cowan,
[39] Alex Cincotta,
[46] Matthew Cottrell,
[44] Matthew Owies,
[14] Orazio Fantasia

My pick would be Fantasia, despite his 4 goals last week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: townsendcalling on July 04, 2024, 06:43:04 pm
I would say Cottrell as the sub and Hewett in if Kennedy doesn't come up 100%, which still has to be a possibility.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: DJC on July 04, 2024, 06:51:07 pm
We must be going OK if Georgie can't get a game!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: madbluboy on July 04, 2024, 07:11:45 pm
Kennedy won't play.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: pertz on July 04, 2024, 07:13:05 pm
In: T.De Koning, M.Cottrell
Out: M.Pittonet (omitted), G.Hewett (omitted)

Last week's sub: George Hewett
Happy with the team.
Chugga gone from multi weeks out to still in ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 04, 2024, 07:23:35 pm
In: T.De Koning, M.Cottrell
Out: M.Pittonet (omitted), G.Hewett (omitted)

Last week's sub: George Hewett
Dont get the Hewett omission, one of the better ball using mids and decision makers we have. Can go fwd and kicks straight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Lods on July 04, 2024, 07:36:35 pm

I don't think he will and Hewett will come in.

But then again, using logic I learnt from Vizzini the Sicilian in the "Princess Bride."

That's exactly what GWS will be thinking....that Kennedy will miss and Hewett will come in.

So, they'll prepare for Hewett.

On the other hand GWS will know that is what we think they will believe and we'll actually play Kennedy.

So they'll prepare for Kennedy.

But many of us suspect that the Kennedy recovery is too quick.
So GWS better be ready for Hewett.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: crashlander on July 04, 2024, 07:40:50 pm
Our line-up:

B:  [17] Brodie Kemp,  [23] Jacob Weitering,  [37] Jordan Boyd
HB:  [42] Adam Saad,  [11] Mitch McGovern,  [24] Nic Newman
C:  [4] Oliver Hollands,  [9] Patrick Cripps,  [13] Blake Acres
HF:  [7] Matthew Kennedy,  [10] Harry McKay,  [6] Zac Williams
F:  [20] Elijah Hollands,  [30] Charlie Curnow,  [8] Lachie Fogarty
R:  [12] Tom De Koning,  [18] Sam Walsh,  [5] Adam Cerra
Int:  [2] Lachlan Cowan,  [39] Alex Cincotta,  [46] Matthew Cottrell,  [44] Matthew Owies,  [14] Orazio Fantasia

Em:  [29] George Hewett,  [27] Marc Pittonet,  [22] Caleb Marchbank

[1] Good as he has been this year, I would have brought Cottrell back via the VFL. After a long break, he needs miles in his legs.
[2] I would have played Pitto, but ...
[3] George is stiff, but he probably should play. I would have rested Kennedy, as I would prefer him to be 100% when we need him.
[4] Spots in our team are hard to get at the moment. Ollie Hollands has been quiet of late, and must be under some pressure. Hard to drop Fantasia after 4 goals. Owies is a little out of touch at the moment; he dropped a couple of chest marks last week which could have been critical. But he still has be out of form for much longer to get dropped after his efforts so far.
[5] I'm not sure Charlie is 100% at the moment, but he keeps kicking goals ...
[6] The 2's should be better this week. There will actually be some leadership out there, something we've lacked badly this year. It also means the our midfield might be just a tad more reliable.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: bobby on July 04, 2024, 10:02:52 pm
I don't think he will and Hewett will come in.

But then again, using logic I learnt from Vizzini the Sicilian in the "Princess Bride."

That's exactly what GWS will be thinking....that Kennedy will miss and Hewett will come in.

So, they'll prepare for Hewett.

On the other hand GWS will know that is what we think they will believe and we'll actually play Kennedy.

So they'll prepare for Kennedy.

But many of us suspect that the Kennedy recovery is too quick.
So GWS better be ready for Hewett.

As you wish
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on July 04, 2024, 10:09:26 pm
But many of us suspect that the Kennedy recovery is too quick.
So GWS better be ready for Hewett.
At which time our MC play Pitto and Kennedy and Ollie miss out, GWS never saw it coming. ;D


Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Thryleon on July 04, 2024, 10:26:40 pm
I don't think he will and Hewett will come in.

But then again, using logic I learnt from Vizzini the Sicilian in the "Princess Bride."

That's exactly what GWS will be thinking....that Kennedy will miss and Hewett will come in.

So, they'll prepare for Hewett.

On the other hand GWS will know that is what we think they will believe and we'll actually play Kennedy.

So they'll prepare for Kennedy.

But many of us suspect that the Kennedy recovery is too quick.
So GWS better be ready for Hewett.

I'd be betting on dual rucks to be honest. 

Keep them truly guessing and play without both Kennedy and Hewett playing cincotta through the middle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on July 05, 2024, 08:17:45 am
Keep them truly guessing and play without both Kennedy and Hewett playing cincotta through the middle.
If he is fresh, I think Cincotta is ripe to have a crack at sedating Toby Greene, that would be some confidence boosting scalp and Greene is a bit rusty in 2024, it's an ideal time if Cincotta is fresh.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on July 05, 2024, 12:15:21 pm
Going to bucket down in Sydney tonight, light rain possible tomorrow, might be a bit chilly and a bit greasy tomorrow night, not sure what the ground is like, I believe in very heavy downpours it floods.

Big question, will we deliver the venue a new crowd record?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on July 05, 2024, 12:34:53 pm
Did anyone hear a rumour circulating that we've already made a change, apparently someone's travel arrangements have changed, illness maybe?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 05, 2024, 03:27:55 pm
If he is fresh, I think Cincotta is ripe to have a crack at sedating Toby Greene, that would be some confidence boosting scalp and Greene is a bit rusty in 2024, it's an ideal time if Cincotta is fresh.
Id stick with Newman on Greene, enjoys playing on these types and has been getting it done.
Cincotta I would save for Whitfield who wont like the extra physical attention and wont bother picking him up on the rebound either so our man might be in the goals again..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: madbluboy on July 05, 2024, 03:45:03 pm
Cowan to Greene
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on July 05, 2024, 04:02:28 pm
Id stick with Newman on Greene, enjoys playing on these types and has been getting it done.
Cincotta I would save for Whitfield who wont like the extra physical attention and wont bother picking him up on the rebound either so our man might be in the goals again..

Are we getting to the stage where we don't play our full hand?

Save something for if/when we meet them in the finals??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on July 05, 2024, 04:33:33 pm
Cincotta I would save for Whitfield who wont like the extra physical attention and wont bother picking him up on the rebound either so our man might be in the goals again..
I think Whitfield is too aerobic for Cincotta, not that Cincotta isn't good but Whitfield is exceptional, and for that I'd let Cottrell run with Whitfield all day long.

Get a Nil All draw with a couple of players like Greene and Whitfield, added to Kelly out, you go a long way to getting the job done.

Maybe Coniglio is the right run with opponent for Cincotta, they strike me to have similar pace and Cincotta is strong.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: DJC on July 05, 2024, 04:36:21 pm
Id stick with Newman on Greene, enjoys playing on these types and has been getting it done.
Cincotta I would save for Whitfield who wont like the extra physical attention and wont bother picking him up on the rebound either so our man might be in the goals again..

Newey has done a number on Toby Greene before and is the ideal match up.  Apart from stopping Toby getting the pill, Newey's work up the ground forces Greene to play defensively.

Cincotta to Whitfield is a no-brainer.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on July 05, 2024, 04:51:46 pm
The trick is really if you can get enough midfield dominance, you will drag all those opponents up the field leaving blokes like Cincotta and Cottrell drifting in and out of goal range. Whitfield lays more tackles than Coniglio, Greene is an old fashioned type who likes to hurt you with a tackle.

Probably the best strategy is sharing the load, rather than a captain's pick.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: dodge on July 05, 2024, 05:33:00 pm
Just asking for some advice,  if I may.

My wife and son are going (lucky them) with GA tickets.  Any tips on where they should sit?

Thanks
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: WASurfer on July 05, 2024, 05:33:14 pm
Ash is also out of the GWS team now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LordLucifer on July 05, 2024, 07:47:31 pm
Just asking for some advice,  if I may.

My wife and son are going (lucky them) with GA tickets.  Any tips on where they should sit?

Thanks

On the wing on the first level.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LordLucifer on July 05, 2024, 07:48:16 pm
This may be a "danger game" if we have any complacency, hope they go full bore and win by 5-6 goals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: dodge on July 05, 2024, 07:54:43 pm
Thanks LL
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LoveNavy on July 05, 2024, 08:41:51 pm
Away games come with some additional challenge. I wouldn't be complacent about any team these days. Including GWS. They will find form soon enough. Not this week hopefully.

Go hard, sustain the pressure and focus, and we can get the 4pts.

Go Blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 01:16:42 pm
Hewett late out of the VFL squad.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: DJC on July 06, 2024, 01:18:33 pm
Hewett late out of the VFL squad.

Hewett is a travelling emergency.