Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: crashlander on July 04, 2024, 11:17:17 pm
Title: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: crashlander on July 04, 2024, 11:17:17 pm
Game on Saturday afternoon at 13:05 at Blacktown.
Chances are we might a little leadership on the park for a change. Expectations are still low: this mob were good last year and killed us.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2024, 10:20:09 pm
Our line-up: CARLTON B: S. Durdin (38), C. Marchbank (22), Le. Young (33) HB: B. Wilson (35), D. Akuei (41), La. Young (55) C: G. Hewett (29), J. Binns (25), D. Cuningham (28) HF: A. Moir (43), R. Monahan (34), J. Motlop (3) F: N. Cahill (54), H. Lemmey (31), A. Mirkov (45) R: M. Pittonet (27), C. Lord (36), J. Carroll (16) INT: W. Hayes (53), Z. Maher (50), L. McMahon (52), W. White (77), O. Badr (72)* EMG: A. Stevens (64), H. Gill (62), L. Goonan (66), D. Hogg (70), K. Ferronato (63), L. Nelson (57), J. Lefroy (79), H. Nosiara (69)
IN: O. Badr, W. Hayes, G. Hewett, J. Motlop, B. Wilson OUT: C. Durdin (shoulder), L. Prout (groin), H. Ramshaw (quad), K. Ferronato, D. Hogg
Granted that there will probably be a change or two, but this team looks better, at least on paper. We'll miss Prout, who has been good this year and Ramshaw.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2024, 10:29:23 am
Our line-up: CARLTON B: S. Durdin (38), C. Marchbank (22), Le. Young (33) HB: B. Wilson (35), D. Akuei (41), La. Young (55) C: G. Hewett (29), J. Binns (25), D. Cuningham (28) HF: A. Moir (43), R. Monahan (34), J. Motlop (3) F: N. Cahill (54), H. Lemmey (31), A. Mirkov (45) R: M. Pittonet (27), C. Lord (36), J. Carroll (16) INT: W. Hayes (53), Z. Maher (50), L. McMahon (52), W. White (77), O. Badr (72)* EMG: A. Stevens (64), H. Gill (62), L. Goonan (66), D. Hogg (70), K. Ferronato (63), L. Nelson (57), J. Lefroy (79), H. Nosiara (69)
IN: O. Badr, W. Hayes, G. Hewett, J. Motlop, B. Wilson OUT: C. Durdin (shoulder), L. Prout (groin), H. Ramshaw (quad), K. Ferronato, D. Hogg
Granted that there will probably be a change or two, but this team looks better, at least on paper. We'll miss Prout, who has been good this year and Ramshaw.
I have no idea who W. Hayes is. He is not named in our squad, but then there are a few guys who have been named and who haven't been close to playing, like Tyson Sruk, Michael Rudd and Jed Brereton. And Michael Dozzi, a guy who played a lot last year, hasn't been seen either.
On the other hand, we get to see Ollie Badr for the first time. He was one of those considered stiff to miss last year. We may also see Hugo Nosiara who is named as an Emergency.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 10:36:29 am
I have no idea who W. Hayes is. He is not named in our squad, but then there are a few guys who have been named and who haven't been close to playing, like Tyson Sruk, Michael Rudd and Jed Brereton. And Michael Dozzi, a guy who played a lot last year, hasn't been seen either.
On the other hand, we get to see Ollie Badr for the first time. He was one of those considered stiff to miss last year. We may also see Hugo Nosiara who is named as an Emergency.
I thought Will Hayes(ex Bulldogs, Horse racing fame) was back?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 01:18:03 pm
Yep, out of retirement, bit odd we must be struggling for numbers, still looks fit.
Strange move after the serve he gave us after being delisted but he’s just the sort of player our VFL team needs.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 03:16:24 pm
Blues hit the front
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 03:18:30 pm
Blues by 11 👍🏼
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2024, 03:20:29 pm
3 goals up, but a long way to go.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 03:20:45 pm
Motlop with his 3rd and it’s out to 18 points
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 03:25:12 pm
GWS hit back with 2 goals
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 03:29:47 pm
In my opinion Liam McMahon won't make it, he has the physical attributes, but when he spills a mark his natural reaction is to waste time staging for a free.
A couple of times this games he has spilt relatively easy chest marks or uncontested marks and then his next effort is to beg for an umpire to fix up the faux pas! Both times if he had followed up he had nearby team-mates in the open but left the footy for GWS to clean up.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 03:32:18 pm
Beautiful pass from Lewis Young results in a Cahill goal, 13 points
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 03:37:57 pm
Nice contest by Motlop gives him 4 and we are out to 21
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 03:44:39 pm
Lord has a good crack, from the little I’ve seen him and Carrol go ok at this level. Blues back out to 21
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: DJC on July 06, 2024, 03:52:32 pm
Lord has a good crack, from the little I’ve seen him and Carrol go ok at this level. Blues back out to 21
You can see why we gave Lord a go. The question is can he produce that at AFL level?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 03:56:41 pm
Hayes clearly gave us a boost and the usual suspects in Carroll, Binns, Cuningham,Pittonet and Lord were consistent players. You have to wonder though how good some of these players really are if a former player like Hayes coming in cold can have such an influence on the game.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 04:06:03 pm
Hayes clearly gave us a boost and the usual suspects in Carroll, Binns, Cuningham,Pittonet and Lord were consistent players. You have to wonder though how good some of these players really are if a former player like Hayes coming in cold can have such an influence on the game.
My thoughts exactly, a bloke who has been out of the system for almost a year comes back in from the cold and is probably BoG ahead of fulltime AFL types, says quite a lot about those on the fringe of our AFL team!
Just can't make sense of it @ElwoodBlues1, it shouldn't be possible.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 04:10:41 pm
Lord has a good crack, from the little I’ve seen him and Carrol go ok at this level. Blues back out to 21
Carroll wins the ball ok but his disposal can let him down, swings onto the left and just bangs the ball forward, I think Lord uses the ball better and is a better decision maker. Downside to Lord is his light frame for me, no doubting he attacks the ball ok but at senior level those bigger bodies are going to be tough for him abit like how Ollie Hollands finds it tough some weeks and gets pushed off the ball a lot.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 04:16:37 pm
Downside to Lord is his light frame for me, no doubting he attacks the ball ok but at senior level those bigger bodies are going to be tough for him abit like how Ollie Hollands finds it tough some weeks and gets pushed off the ball a lot.
Ollie looks miles ahead of Lord in terms of running power and aerobic capacity.
In the short term, who does Lord displace and how, other than injury?
For me Carroll and Binns are also well ahead, and they all seem to be competing for the that last remaining slot. From today's VFL game, as a potential fill in, I'd have Will Hayes ahead of Lord, Binns and Carroll! :o
Maybe Hayes can see that also, and that it why he is back, happy to sit on the fringe for that occasional opportunity. Blokes happy to do that have ended up with premiership medals!
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 04:17:10 pm
My thoughts exactly, a bloke who has been out of the system for almost a year comes back in from the cold and is probably BoG ahead of fulltime AFL types, says quite a lot about those on the fringe of our AFL team!
Just can't make sense of it @ElwoodBlues1, it shouldn't be possible.
Hayes is a mature player at 29 years of age which probably gives him a head start but its hard to fathom how he managed to win the ball so easily. Has he been playing any local football because he seemed to be not bothered by the pace of the game?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 04:21:19 pm
Hayes is a mature player at 29 years of age which probably gives him a head start but its hard to fathom how he managed to win the ball so easily. Has he been playing any local football because he seemed to be not bothered by the pace of the game?
Not sure if he's been playing any footy, but he has always been a fitness addict, gets up to go for a run before doing track work and the like! Then often has another run at the end of the day to cap things off, his brother pegs him as hyperactive!
So fitness probably isn't a problem, but even so it's not match fitness, and nothing at lower levels gives you VFL/AFL match type fitness. Aerobic means nothing if you become tired from the bump, push and shove stuff. I don't understand it, it says something but I'm just not sure what. Perhaps VFL / AFL ain't what it use to be! :o
PS; Been known to do a bit of a "Cliffy" and jog around the paddocks on the property chasing livestock!
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 04:23:03 pm
Ollie looks miles ahead of Lord in terms of running power and aerobic capacity.
In the short term, who does Lord displace and how, other than injury?
Ollie should be better in those areas given he has had senior football and been trained to a higher standard with the senior group and knows all the running plays/patterns etc but I take your point that Lord even with a high level of those attributes isnt going to displace anyone that I can think of in the short to medium term unless we get a spate of injuries and even then those aorund him today like Carroll, Binns, Cuningham would be well ahead in the pecking order... Add the Campo's and Im seeing Lord playing a lot of VFL football....
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 04:40:15 pm
Pitto, Cunningham, Carroll, Young, Motlop - as you'd expect. Binns probably goes a bit unnoticed with his running.
Akui - miles off still
Lord, White, Hayes (on return 2nd club debut) were good. As well as the solid VFL guys like Maher, McMahon etc
I know Lord is on the light side but the way he attacks the game reminds me of a young Crippa. Im interested to watch him develop under Vossy.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2024, 04:58:28 pm
I don't quite know how to feel after that. Winning is such a rare event nowadays. To have failed to grab defeat from the jaws of victory ... is it is sign of things to come, or just a false dawn?
[1] Will Hayes: what a first up performance! He has provided something the 2's have lacked all year: leadership and getting the ball at crucial times. 37 possessions and 7 tackles, says a lot, but 2 clearances says that he wasn't alone in standing up. [2] Marc Pittonet: He had 3 times as many taps as the entire GWS team and took some crucial marks. I'd have had him on the bench for tonight, but ... [3] Lord has been a reasonable pickup. He is light and not electric paced, but he puts his body in and gets the ball. 26 possessions, 6 clearances and 6 tackles suggests he has something to offer. He certainly doesn't turn the ball over as often as Binns does. [4] David Cuningham: another who stepped up and impressed, getting through a full game. 29 possessions, 8 tackles and 6 clearances was very positive. [5] Jesse Motlop: 17 possessions and 4 goals suggests that Motlop is getting some form, at last. He has x-factor and is now getting to where the ball is. [6] Caleb Marchbank: a shadow of the guy who played so well in last year's finals. He isn't getting his hands on the ball, nor is he really stopping his opponent that much. He is really struggling. The last time he came back through the 2's he got leather poisoning and had something like 15 marks per game. Today he had 2. [7] Lewis Young, on the other hand, stood up today and got 23 disposals and 11 marks. He doe that a bit more often and he won't be under list pressure. [8] Our underachievers generally underachieved again. 12 possessions from Moir wasn't dreadful, but we were hoping for more. Dome Akuei had 8 possessions, Lemmey had 10 possessions, Monahan had 6 and Mirkov had 5. Not quite sure what we're going to do, especially as guys like Hayes come and and perform straight away. [9] Lachie Young continues to disappoint. He had 6 possessions today, which is less than Dom Akuei. Tom Phillips is not there at all. These are the guys we brought in to give our 2's some leadership and it just isn't happening. I doubt either will be there next year. [10] Will White is a youngster who continues t impress me. He's a 20 year old from Warnambool and there is nothing of him, but he has a deadly left foot foot and he kicks goals. Of the VFL boys, he impresses most often. Worth a look? I think so. [11] Good to see ned Cahill play a bit better too. He has been down of late. He is definitely one of our few consistent goal scorers.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2024, 05:00:09 pm
Blacktown is a lovely looking ground, but, my God, it was empty! We get more people to little league games than turned out today!
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 05:03:26 pm
Tom Philips I believe has left the program and signed with another local club...
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: DJC on July 06, 2024, 05:09:34 pm
Carroll wins the ball ok but his disposal can let him down, swings onto the left and just bangs the ball forward, I think Lord uses the ball better and is a better decision maker. Downside to Lord is his light frame for me, no doubting he attacks the ball ok but at senior level those bigger bodies are going to be tough for him abit like how Ollie Hollands finds it tough some weeks and gets pushed off the ball a lot.
Lord is 83kg, Ollie and Binns are both only 72kg. That extra ten kegs is invaluable.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 05:29:01 pm
Lord is 83kg, Ollie and Binns are both only 72kg. That extra ten kegs is invaluable.
Fair enough...he doesnt look it and I see him pushed off the ball but he does attack the footy well so maybe he just needs more exposure to heavier bodies and senior training.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 05:40:56 pm
I'd have either of Cuningham or Motlop in the 1's ahead of Fantasia.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: Lods on July 06, 2024, 05:53:16 pm
I'd have either of Cuningham or Motlop in the 1's ahead of Fantasia.
Motlop hasn't been performing up to scratch since his injury, but he has been slowly improving. His game today probably puts a bit of pressure on Fantasia...and pressure for spots is not a bad thing. ;)
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 06:07:52 pm
Motlop hasn't been performing up to scratch since his injury, but he has been slowly improving. His game today probably puts a bit of pressure on Fantasia...and pressure for spots is not a bad thing. ;)
Agreed, but the small forward role in the vfl is different to the dmall forward rile in the afl. Motlop is one of those that lofts his game when the players around him are better....which is to be expected when most of the time you are not a target
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: DJC on July 06, 2024, 06:45:24 pm
Agreed, but the small forward role in the vfl is different to the dmall forward rile in the afl. Motlop is one of those that lofts his game when the players around him are better....which is to be expected when most of the time you are not a target
Motlop spent much of today as a midfielder, and I think that's ideal preparation for his return to the AFL where he's expected to run a great deal more.
Fantasia has been performing the Cottrell role - linking up with the wings and getting back to impact contests in defence - rather than playing as a small forward. Now that Cotters is back ... :-\
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: DJC on July 06, 2024, 06:48:39 pm
Fair enough...he doesnt look it and I see him pushed off the ball but he does attack the footy well so maybe he just needs more exposure to heavier bodies and senior training.
Agresta made it clear that our mid-season draft pick would be a long term prospect and it will be interesting to see how Lord goes with a full pre-season under his belt. I think that he could be a point of difference to our other smaller midfielders.
Time will tell ...
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: Professer E on July 06, 2024, 06:54:38 pm
Pleased to see the seconds have a win and finally get some reward for effort. Hayes showing the commitment required to win games consistently.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 15 Carlton vs GWS at Blacktown
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2024, 11:02:39 pm