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Title: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2024, 02:19:18 pm
Ready for tonight.
Hewett not playing in the 2's.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: WASurfer on July 06, 2024, 06:42:52 pm
Owies the sub???? Can't get my head around that one to be honest. Our best small forward at the moment and we leave him out?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 06:44:32 pm
Owies the sub???? Can't get my head around that one to be honest. Our best small forward at the moment and we leave him out?

Watch fantasia put in a useless effort and for Owies to kick a goal in the last, for us to lose, and then wonder why we played OF and not Owies


Considering that Owies will be a target on other clubs radars at the end of the year, leaving him as sub is stupid
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 07:27:35 pm
I can't understand dropping Hewett and playing Kennedy who almost did his knee?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 07:40:41 pm
Sheez Blacres starting with turnover blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 07:41:45 pm
Smart. Composed. ZW 👌
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 07:43:14 pm
TDK ankle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 07:44:40 pm
Harry is on fire
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pertz on July 06, 2024, 07:46:21 pm
When was the last time he started with 3.0?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 07:50:44 pm
Cez finding touch
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 07:51:05 pm
When was the last time he started with 3.0?

I give in!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 07:53:01 pm
Is it a short ground? Or are Giants kicking amazingly from long range
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 07:56:15 pm
Smart. Composed. ZW goal
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pertz on July 06, 2024, 08:07:18 pm
Never is the answer  C 8)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 08:08:55 pm
WOW !
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 08:20:49 pm
Giants all over us. Speed kills atm
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 08:22:44 pm
Just like that they have 4
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: cookie2 on July 06, 2024, 08:24:05 pm
Didn’t know it is Ward’s birthday
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: blueday on July 06, 2024, 08:46:01 pm
Mids getting smoked. Time to man up!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 08:46:08 pm
Anyone doubting KPD is our biggest need after the way we've crumbled since weitering has gone off needs a big rethink.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 08:46:30 pm
All over us and we have no idea how to respond 😬
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 08:49:25 pm
Too quick for us and just keep on running us off our legs.
Weitering sore and our other defenders getting out marked. TDK struggling and Walsh tagged out of the game.
Cripps holding the key as usual if we are to win..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 08:50:51 pm
Anyone underestimating Giants. Do so with extreme caution.

We have no way of matching their speed and current contest.

What have we got? Particularly with our defence hobbled..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 08:51:16 pm
Just utter laziness that qtr!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 08:55:29 pm
TDK playing on crook ankle can't jump, no spare ruck. They'll keep him out there but it's a huge risk of serious injury playing on a weak ankle.

Weitering playing on corky, can't jump, back out there no KPP spare, another huge risk LTI risk.

McGovern, hip flexor can't jump struggling, no KPD spare. DoH!

So what now, Harry or Cripps consigned to rucking, put Kennedy and his MCL in there, or just surrender the stoppages.

Sure it's worth the risk, at least those onballers get an extra 60s of bench time.

If TDK and Weiters do some serious damage it's potential season destroying, but worth the risk!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 08:57:19 pm
TDK playing on crook ankle can't jump, no spare ruck. They'll keep him out there but it's a huge risk of serious injury.

Weitering playing on corky, can't jump, back out there no KPP spare, another huge risk LTI risk.

McGovern, hip flexor can't jump struggling, no KPD spare. DoH!

So what now, Harry or Cripps consigned to rucking, or just surrender the stoppages.

Sure it's worth the risk, at least those onballers get an extra 60s of bench time.

If TDK and Weiters do some serious damage it's potential season destroying, but worth the risk!

Sorry, I’m not sure if I understand, you want an extra ruck or kp sitting on the bench ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 08:58:06 pm
Are you saying we should have played another ruck and an extra 2 key defenders just in case?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:00:58 pm
Why waste a bench spot for a spare KPP in the rotation, given KPPs never get injured, we have Owies as the super sub he'll be fine.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 09:05:45 pm
We can afford to lose this game. Let’s not take risks with Key players and injuries
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 09:06:16 pm
We can afford to lose this game. Let’s not take risks with Key players and injuries
🤣
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:11:36 pm
Kemp cant go with Hogan...see McGovern now on him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 09:13:41 pm
Weitering needs to sub off.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:13:43 pm
No opportunity for Charlie, ruck him?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 09:14:43 pm
Send Charlie back. He's struggling up forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:14:52 pm
TDK playing on crook ankle can't jump, no spare ruck. They'll keep him out there but it's a huge risk of serious injury playing on a weak ankle.

Weitering playing on corky, can't jump, back out there no KPP spare, another huge risk LTI risk.

McGovern, hip flexor can't jump struggling, no KPD spare. DoH!

So what now, Harry or Cripps consigned to rucking, put Kennedy and his MCL in there, or just surrender the stoppages.

Sure it's worth the risk, at least those onballers get an extra 60s of bench time.

If TDK and Weiters do some serious damage it's potential season destroying, but worth the risk!

Tdk on 1 leg is still doing more than enough.

You want OK to complain about a lame Kennedy, complain to the mc for picking him. Nobody here thought he should be playing.

I agree we don't want to injure Charlie or Harry... that's why we are keeping the ball away from them jn the backline. ::)

Didn't realise the final siren had sounded either.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:15:12 pm
Send Charlie back. He's struggling up forward.
Yes, let him stand in front of Hogan, we've plenty of spare KPFs.

We can pull another Coleman out of the drawer next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:16:42 pm
Any danger they can miss one
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 09:18:40 pm
We got nothing
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:19:17 pm
Imagine if this was GF day?

Looks like we picked the wrong Jenga block!

House of cards?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 09:19:35 pm
Dropping Hewett was a mistake.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on July 06, 2024, 09:19:48 pm
Kemp has no idea of defending
NONE
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 09:19:58 pm
Almost perfect rewind of Prelim v Brisbane.
1st qtr Blitz followed by a collapse.
This is why top 2 is critical
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:20:16 pm
Messing with team selections with Hewett and Owies was a mistake IMHO...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:20:59 pm
just said same
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: blueday on July 06, 2024, 09:21:08 pm
Game over. How disappointing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 09:21:31 pm
The loss we need to have... this is looking very ugly and we're nowhere near it tonight
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:21:55 pm
What you are watching tonight is called a single point of failure, Voss won't make this mistake again.

We've entered Le Mans without a spare tyre!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 09:21:59 pm
Walsh and Cerra 12 touches in 3 qtrs of football - this is a very rare occurance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:22:01 pm

OK, so we have pittonet in the side too.
What changes?

Who plays on hogan? Who helps out down back?

Nothing changes with another ruck in the side.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 09:22:10 pm
Messing with team selections with Hewett and Owies was a mistake IMHO...

Think we are better than we are.

Remember last year's prelim we dropped Owies and made Kennedy sub.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:22:38 pm
What you are watching tonight is called a single point of failure, Voss won't make this mistake again.
Yep weitering.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 09:23:01 pm
I’m not enjoying the pushing in marking contests.
I also don’t enjoy the pushing in the ruck contests, holding your ground is fine but the big fat shoves prior to the contest are crap.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:23:19 pm
Think we are better than we are.

Remember last year's prelim we dropped Owies and made Kennedy sub.
Yep, just trying to be too smart and over confident..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 09:24:24 pm
Forward 50 pressure non existent. Missing owies
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:24:33 pm
I sit here watching Cripps ruck against Briggs, beating Briggs, but then I see Briggs loading Cripps MCL with heavy bodied tackles for pretty much every ruck disposal Cripps wins. It's worth the risk, we've plenty of spare Mids.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:25:53 pm
I sit here watching Cripps ruck against Briggs, beating Briggs, but then I see Briggs loading Cripps MCL with heavy bodied tackles for pretty much every ruck disposal Cripps wins. It's worth the risk.

Go watch netball mate.
You are so paranoid about someone getting injured, this game isn't for you
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:26:13 pm
I’m not enjoying the pushing in marking contests.
I also don’t enjoy the pushing in the ruck contests, holding your ground is fine but the big fat shoves prior to the contest are crap.
Other teams will take note of how to play TDK, need to do a McRae and swing some different moves.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 09:26:44 pm
Its not the way we play - Charlie two touches is a bit of a worry
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:27:29 pm
Go watch netball mate.
You are so paranoid about someone getting injured, this game isn't for you

Speaking of which, fantasia can go with him. So scared of contact he never takes the body and let's the ball go
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:28:51 pm
You are so paranoid about someone getting injured, this game isn't for you
Yes, I'm being completely unreasonable when I fear we might put a valuable key player at risk, it'll never happen.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 09:29:33 pm
TDK is having a good game v Briggs having a game of his life.
TDK and Cripps probably carrying the team right now because Walsh, Cerra, Acres,  Charlie, Saad certainly are not.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:29:59 pm
It's over now, I'd be taking sore key players off...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:30:13 pm
Yes, I'm being completely unreasonable when I fear we might put a valuable key player at risk, it'll never happen.

Every player is at risk everytime they cross the white line.
If you play scared of getting injilured, you will.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:32:04 pm
Luckily Hogan and Greene play fair, they won't do anything to make things worse.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:32:17 pm
Toby being Toby and delivering a cheapie to Kemp...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 09:32:19 pm
Toby Toby
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:33:24 pm
Luckily Hogan and Greene play fair, they won't do anything to make things worse.
So we have 3 'key backs' which have been injured in this game and your magically suggestion is to play a 2nd ruck.
Tell me you don't understand the game without telling me you don't understand the game.  ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 09:33:33 pm
You haven’t answered the question LP, how many rucks a kp do you want sitting on the bench ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:34:53 pm
Thinking of you!

(https://www.freightwaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Eggsbasket-1.jpg)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 09:35:17 pm
What have they had? A 70pt turnaround? New record?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:35:45 pm
You haven’t answered the question LP, how many rucks a kp do you want sitting on the bench ?

He doesn't respond to questions he can't answer. He has a long history of it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 09:35:52 pm
Our midfield has been smashed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:37:48 pm

We could use cuningham tonight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: shawny on July 06, 2024, 09:38:16 pm

Yep tagging walsh has hurt the only real line breaking run we have thru the midfield.
One mark inside 50 since qrt time doesnt help either
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 09:38:27 pm
Oh wow. Fantasia off. What a surprise.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:38:36 pm
Hewett?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:39:06 pm
Four smalls on the bench, one small as sub, not a spare KPP to be seen!

 - KPP
 - Ruck

What could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 09:39:10 pm

Smashed in the middle, in the air, in the contest, on the outside.
A complete and comprehensive thrashing thus far.
Great opportunity to see who can persevere and make a go of it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:39:44 pm
Bah hah hah, Cunningham to Briggs or Hogan! ;D

Maybe Cunners could stand Greene, that would release Newman to somebody! ;D ;D ;D

Too small, maybe Cunners into the Mid and let Walsh mind Greene! :o
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:40:46 pm
Should've played instead of Kennedy.

But cunners offers more run.

Can't continue to carry fantasia every week.
Yes he got 4 last week, but at least 2 were gifted to him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 09:41:40 pm
Should've played instead of Kennedy.

But cunners offers more run.

Can't continue to carry fantasia every week.
Yes he got 4 last week, but at least 2 were gifted to him.
Exactly right

4 goals against Richmond ffs and people were creaming for him.

DROP HIM!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:41:44 pm
Bah hah hah, Cunningham to Briggs or Hogan! ;D

Would do a better job than  pittonet to him hahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:42:18 pm
Teams who can match us at the clearances then have the pace and spread are going to beat us...that's our Achilles heel when you have a team of bigger slow mids and they can't dominate.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:44:19 pm
Teams who can match us at the clearances then have the pace and spread are going to beat us...that's our Achilles heel when you have a team of bigger slow mids and they can't dominate.
Yes it's our weakness @ElwoodBlues1, so tonight we have built our chances of winning the clearance on a single point of failure, no backups available.

Somebody took on board the solo ruck idea, and took it to the next level, no KPP backups at all!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 09:44:22 pm
Got beaten in the middle because Walsh , Cerra and Acres decided they dont want to play footy today.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:45:14 pm
None of our mids including Acres who does get back often  have been able to get back and help out. Too slow and our defense has been caught out especially with Weitering injured.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 09:46:35 pm
Thinking of you!

(https://www.freightwaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Eggsbasket-1.jpg)

Is that your bench of kp and rucks ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:46:46 pm
Yes it's our weakness @ElwoodBlues1, so tonight we have built our chances of winning the clearance on a single point of failure, no backups available.

Oh ffs stop embarrassing yourself.

We are actually winning the clearances.
34 ‐32

Centre clearances we are down by 1.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 09:47:08 pm
I am sure Vossy will give the rocket - because some looked somewhat complacent.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:47:30 pm
Nope, I thought Ollie and Fantasia could do with the extra protein.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 09:48:17 pm
Teams who can match us at the clearances then have the pace and spread are going to beat us...that's our Achilles heel when you have a team of bigger slow mids and they can't dominate.

Helps when our efforts are so poor. Any opposition could have done what they wanted tonight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:48:42 pm
Oh ffs stop embarrassing yourself.

We are actually winning the clearances.
And there it is, the stats to the rescue, lucky for us!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:49:22 pm
Nope, I thought Ollie and Fantasia could do with the extra protein.
save some for your face.

Your solution of a 2nd ruck to fix our issues down back and to fix our lack of outside run should see yourself with a big helping all over it.
....and we are still winning the clearances
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:50:15 pm
And there it is, the stats to the rescue, lucky for us!

Well logic of a 2nd ruck not being a key back doesn't seem to work for you. Why not stats?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pertz on July 06, 2024, 09:50:18 pm
None of our mids including Acres who does get back often  have been able to get back and help out. Too slow and our defense has been caught out especially with Weitering injured.
I have been saying all year that speed and fast ball movement is our cryptonite.
The Swans play the same way.
The Giants have been a sleeping Giant (pardon the pun).
They are a good side, we have relaxed our pressure and bam..they are back in form.
Not worried about losing but I am about mot being able to put the clamps on them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:51:34 pm
I think with our slower bigger mids we need to dominate rather than just break even in clearances.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:51:47 pm
I have been saying all year that speed and fast ball movement is our cryptonite.
The Swans play the same way.
The Giants have been a sleeping Giant (pardon the pun).
They are a good side, we have relaxed our pressure and bam..they are back in form.
Not worried about losing but I am about mot being able to put the clamps on them.

I've been saying it for years and that's why we can't afford to get slower with a 2nd ruck. We need as much run speed and carry as we can get
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 09:52:59 pm
Aside from the Richmond game, has there been an instance where Orasio hadn’t been subbed off?
It’s not good enough. We should be able to sub off a player based off the needs of the game and players performance - not be forced into the same player subbed off every time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:53:09 pm
Has Charlie shifted himself into defence tonight?

Has the right to do it to stop the run ons, but I haven't seen him do it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:55:55 pm
Geez Harry is struggling helping out with ruck duties. He only has 5 goals. Imagine if he wasn't rucking. Lol
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:56:51 pm
Has Charlie shifted himself into defence tonight?

Has the right to do it to stop the run ons, but I haven't seen him do it.
Voss hasn't been overly inventive with moves imo.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 09:57:43 pm
And there it is, the stats to the rescue, lucky for us!
Actually, the stats of clearances are 20 times better than stats of tap outs.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:57:50 pm
Voss hasn't been overly inventive with moves imo.
Agree.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: Lods on July 06, 2024, 09:58:19 pm
Folks looking for single reasons for this debacle are barking up the wrong tree.

There are a dozen reasons things are going wrong out there tonight... team selections, injuries (I suspect carried into the game and during the game), lack of form (Curnow),  returning players still finding their feet.

Our perssure and work rate is no where near what it should be...and when that is down we struggle
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:59:01 pm
I think with our slower bigger mids we need to dominate rather than just break even in clearances.
Our slower Mids need unequivocal first use, if they don't get it we are forked, run has nothing to do with it because first use means we have the footy and it's about good ball use after that. All these calling for run basically do so from a point of concession.

What is happening to us tonight, partially by accident, is what we did to the Handbaggers a couple of weeks back for their deliberate arrogance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 09:59:40 pm
Voss hasn't been overly inventive with moves imo.

Some weeks the whole club doesn't switch on. Same with them all, hence no side has ever been undefeated.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:01:21 pm
Did Harry just get a clearance from the centre?

If only we had a 2nd ruck to do that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 10:01:50 pm
Did Harry just get a clearance from the centre?

If only we had a 2nd ruck to do that.
Yes, he might have been inside F50 to take a mark! ;)

Always best for a Coleman Medallist to be centre rucking instead!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 10:03:03 pm
There is one silver lining. A GWS puts the Pies out of the 8, assuming a Brissie win over Adelaide at the Gabba tomorrow.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 10:03:45 pm
The is one silver lining. A GWS puts the Pies out of the 8, assuming a Brissie win over Adelaide at the Gabba tomorrow.
Aahh, it's our master plan, finally this makes sense!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:04:03 pm
Yes, he might have been inside F50 to take a mark! ;)

Well that's worth taking up a spot in the 22 for that 1 play.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 10:05:00 pm
Kemp was actually playing on Hogan before Weitering got injured.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 10:05:07 pm
Kemp kicking to O Hollands with two bigger GWS players in the area....our blokes are just not with it tonight...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 10:05:27 pm
GWS are subbing out KPPs, they don't need them, can we borrow some?

At least it let Charlie score!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:05:53 pm
Kemp was actually playing on Hogan before Weitering got injured.

Still struggling to see how pittonet playing solves that problem.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on July 06, 2024, 10:07:10 pm
Still struggling to see how pittonet playing solves that problem.

We should have went after Ben McKay.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 10:07:18 pm
Kemp was actually playing on Hogan before Weitering got injured.
The best you could say it's been an education...not sure why our best KP defender didn't start on their best KP forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:08:03 pm

Yep I have no idea why we didn't entertain that idea.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 10:10:29 pm
If only we had a spare someone for something!

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Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 10:11:13 pm
Yep I have no idea why we didn't entertain that idea.

I'd say the $$$$$$$$ and a tight cap.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 10:12:21 pm
5 goals to 1 since orasio been off.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 10:12:32 pm
I have been saying all year that speed and fast ball movement is our cryptonite.
The Swans play the same way.
The Giants have been a sleeping Giant (pardon the pun).
They are a good side, we have relaxed our pressure and bam..they are back in form.
Not worried about losing but I am about mot being able to put the clamps on them.

My pre-game sentiments were similar. Away games are challenging. Giants will find form. I had my fingers crossed that it wouldn't be this week. The rest is history.

We've been outplayed in every way tonight. Credit where credit is due. Unfortunately 🤨 The upside is our response when so seriously outplayed.

Go Blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:12:35 pm
I'd say the $$$$$$$$ and a tight cap.

Nope. Dont buy that.

We had plenty of $ for Haywood.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 10:13:03 pm
Bombers don't have a cap and can afford the 900k a year for Ben.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 10:13:33 pm
5 goals to 1 since orasio been off.
6 goals to 1
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:13:54 pm
We have a pulse.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 10:14:17 pm
3 minutes to go. 2 goals down.
Anybody on us?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 10:14:35 pm
Owies has lifted us..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:15:43 pm

Or owies released the anchor that was holding us down.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 10:16:23 pm
Or owies released the anchor that was holding us down.
Lol
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 10:19:26 pm
What a weird arse game that was.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 10:19:34 pm
That horrendous club song...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 10:20:26 pm
We outscore them 8 to 3, then get outscored 7 to 2 and 7 to 1 then out score them 5 to 1.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 10:20:39 pm
Won five in a row against some of the best teams ion the competition.. I would suggest a mulligan was in order.

Dear Bulldogs - bring vaseline.



Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:21:42 pm
Centre clearances were equal.
Total clearances we won.

2nd ruck offers nothing.

We lost it because weitering was on 1 leg.
And fantasia plays like he is missing 2.

Owies had 5 touches, 1 tackle and a shot o  goal.
Same with fantasia who had 3 times more game time.

Enough is enough.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: PaulP on July 06, 2024, 10:22:29 pm
We've been mining a rich vein of form lately. Dropping a game once in a while is something even the best teams do. It's not possible to be up week in week out. The real test will be the next few weeks.

Good effort by the boys to make a game of it in the last and fight it out.