Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 08:08:55 pm
WOW !
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 08:20:49 pm
Giants all over us. Speed kills atm
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 08:22:44 pm
Just like that they have 4
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: cookie2 on July 06, 2024, 08:24:05 pm
Didn’t know it is Ward’s birthday
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: blueday on July 06, 2024, 08:46:01 pm
Mids getting smoked. Time to man up!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 08:46:08 pm
Anyone doubting KPD is our biggest need after the way we've crumbled since weitering has gone off needs a big rethink.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 08:46:30 pm
All over us and we have no idea how to respond 😬
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 08:49:25 pm
Too quick for us and just keep on running us off our legs. Weitering sore and our other defenders getting out marked. TDK struggling and Walsh tagged out of the game. Cripps holding the key as usual if we are to win..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LoveNavy on July 06, 2024, 08:50:51 pm
Anyone underestimating Giants. Do so with extreme caution.
We have no way of matching their speed and current contest.
What have we got? Particularly with our defence hobbled..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 08:51:16 pm
Just utter laziness that qtr!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 08:55:29 pm
TDK playing on crook ankle can't jump, no spare ruck. They'll keep him out there but it's a huge risk of serious injury playing on a weak ankle.
Weitering playing on corky, can't jump, back out there no KPP spare, another huge risk LTI risk.
McGovern, hip flexor can't jump struggling, no KPD spare. DoH!
So what now, Harry or Cripps consigned to rucking, put Kennedy and his MCL in there, or just surrender the stoppages.
Sure it's worth the risk, at least those onballers get an extra 60s of bench time.
If TDK and Weiters do some serious damage it's potential season destroying, but worth the risk!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 08:57:19 pm
What you are watching tonight is called a single point of failure, Voss won't make this mistake again.
Yep weitering.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 09:23:01 pm
I’m not enjoying the pushing in marking contests. I also don’t enjoy the pushing in the ruck contests, holding your ground is fine but the big fat shoves prior to the contest are crap.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:23:19 pm
Remember last year's prelim we dropped Owies and made Kennedy sub.
Yep, just trying to be too smart and over confident..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 09:24:24 pm
Forward 50 pressure non existent. Missing owies
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:24:33 pm
I sit here watching Cripps ruck against Briggs, beating Briggs, but then I see Briggs loading Cripps MCL with heavy bodied tackles for pretty much every ruck disposal Cripps wins. It's worth the risk, we've plenty of spare Mids.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:25:53 pm
I sit here watching Cripps ruck against Briggs, beating Briggs, but then I see Briggs loading Cripps MCL with heavy bodied tackles for pretty much every ruck disposal Cripps wins. It's worth the risk.
Go watch netball mate. You are so paranoid about someone getting injured, this game isn't for you
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:26:13 pm
I’m not enjoying the pushing in marking contests. I also don’t enjoy the pushing in the ruck contests, holding your ground is fine but the big fat shoves prior to the contest are crap.
Other teams will take note of how to play TDK, need to do a McRae and swing some different moves.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 09:26:44 pm
Its not the way we play - Charlie two touches is a bit of a worry
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:27:29 pm
You are so paranoid about someone getting injured, this game isn't for you
Yes, I'm being completely unreasonable when I fear we might put a valuable key player at risk, it'll never happen.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 09:29:33 pm
TDK is having a good game v Briggs having a game of his life. TDK and Cripps probably carrying the team right now because Walsh, Cerra, Acres, Charlie, Saad certainly are not.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:29:59 pm
It's over now, I'd be taking sore key players off...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:30:13 pm
Luckily Hogan and Greene play fair, they won't do anything to make things worse.
So we have 3 'key backs' which have been injured in this game and your magically suggestion is to play a 2nd ruck. Tell me you don't understand the game without telling me you don't understand the game. ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 09:33:33 pm
You haven’t answered the question LP, how many rucks a kp do you want sitting on the bench ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:34:53 pm
Smashed in the middle, in the air, in the contest, on the outside. A complete and comprehensive thrashing thus far. Great opportunity to see who can persevere and make a go of it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:39:44 pm
Would do a better job than pittonet to him hahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:42:18 pm
Teams who can match us at the clearances then have the pace and spread are going to beat us...that's our Achilles heel when you have a team of bigger slow mids and they can't dominate.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:44:19 pm
Teams who can match us at the clearances then have the pace and spread are going to beat us...that's our Achilles heel when you have a team of bigger slow mids and they can't dominate.
Yes it's our weakness @ElwoodBlues1, so tonight we have built our chances of winning the clearance on a single point of failure, no backups available.
Somebody took on board the solo ruck idea, and took it to the next level, no KPP backups at all!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 09:44:22 pm
Got beaten in the middle because Walsh , Cerra and Acres decided they dont want to play footy today.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:45:14 pm
None of our mids including Acres who does get back often have been able to get back and help out. Too slow and our defense has been caught out especially with Weitering injured.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: northernblue on July 06, 2024, 09:46:35 pm
Teams who can match us at the clearances then have the pace and spread are going to beat us...that's our Achilles heel when you have a team of bigger slow mids and they can't dominate.
Helps when our efforts are so poor. Any opposition could have done what they wanted tonight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:48:42 pm
Nope, I thought Ollie and Fantasia could do with the extra protein.
save some for your face.
Your solution of a 2nd ruck to fix our issues down back and to fix our lack of outside run should see yourself with a big helping all over it. ....and we are still winning the clearances
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:50:15 pm
None of our mids including Acres who does get back often have been able to get back and help out. Too slow and our defense has been caught out especially with Weitering injured.
I have been saying all year that speed and fast ball movement is our cryptonite. The Swans play the same way. The Giants have been a sleeping Giant (pardon the pun). They are a good side, we have relaxed our pressure and bam..they are back in form. Not worried about losing but I am about mot being able to put the clamps on them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:51:34 pm
I think with our slower bigger mids we need to dominate rather than just break even in clearances.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:51:47 pm
I have been saying all year that speed and fast ball movement is our cryptonite. The Swans play the same way. The Giants have been a sleeping Giant (pardon the pun). They are a good side, we have relaxed our pressure and bam..they are back in form. Not worried about losing but I am about mot being able to put the clamps on them.
I've been saying it for years and that's why we can't afford to get slower with a 2nd ruck. We need as much run speed and carry as we can get
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: tex on July 06, 2024, 09:52:59 pm
Aside from the Richmond game, has there been an instance where Orasio hadn’t been subbed off? It’s not good enough. We should be able to sub off a player based off the needs of the game and players performance - not be forced into the same player subbed off every time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:53:09 pm
Has Charlie shifted himself into defence tonight?
Has the right to do it to stop the run ons, but I haven't seen him do it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 09:55:55 pm
Geez Harry is struggling helping out with ruck duties. He only has 5 goals. Imagine if he wasn't rucking. Lol
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 09:56:51 pm
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: Lods on July 06, 2024, 09:58:19 pm
Folks looking for single reasons for this debacle are barking up the wrong tree.
There are a dozen reasons things are going wrong out there tonight... team selections, injuries (I suspect carried into the game and during the game), lack of form (Curnow), returning players still finding their feet.
Our perssure and work rate is no where near what it should be...and when that is down we struggle
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: LP on July 06, 2024, 09:59:01 pm
I think with our slower bigger mids we need to dominate rather than just break even in clearances.
Our slower Mids need unequivocal first use, if they don't get it we are forked, run has nothing to do with it because first use means we have the footy and it's about good ball use after that. All these calling for run basically do so from a point of concession.
What is happening to us tonight, partially by accident, is what we did to the Handbaggers a couple of weeks back for their deliberate arrogance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 09:59:40 pm
I have been saying all year that speed and fast ball movement is our cryptonite. The Swans play the same way. The Giants have been a sleeping Giant (pardon the pun). They are a good side, we have relaxed our pressure and bam..they are back in form. Not worried about losing but I am about mot being able to put the clamps on them.
My pre-game sentiments were similar. Away games are challenging. Giants will find form. I had my fingers crossed that it wouldn't be this week. The rest is history.
We've been outplayed in every way tonight. Credit where credit is due. Unfortunately 🤨 The upside is our response when so seriously outplayed.
Go Blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:12:35 pm
Or owies released the anchor that was holding us down.
Lol
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 10:19:26 pm
What a weird arse game that was.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2024, 10:19:34 pm
That horrendous club song...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: laj on July 06, 2024, 10:20:26 pm
We outscore them 8 to 3, then get outscored 7 to 2 and 7 to 1 then out score them 5 to 1.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2024, 10:20:39 pm
Won five in a row against some of the best teams ion the competition.. I would suggest a mulligan was in order.
Dear Bulldogs - bring vaseline.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2024, 10:21:42 pm
Centre clearances were equal. Total clearances we won.
2nd ruck offers nothing.
We lost it because weitering was on 1 leg. And fantasia plays like he is missing 2.
Owies had 5 touches, 1 tackle and a shot o goal. Same with fantasia who had 3 times more game time.
Enough is enough.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 In Game Angst Carlton vs GWS in Sydney
Post by: PaulP on July 06, 2024, 10:22:29 pm
We've been mining a rich vein of form lately. Dropping a game once in a while is something even the best teams do. It's not possible to be up week in week out. The real test will be the next few weeks.
Good effort by the boys to make a game of it in the last and fight it out.