Agree with this 100% - the Selection Committee didn't cover themselves in glory last week, and it cost us a chance to really lock down top two. Cottrell was so far off the pace - in my mind, there is only a small handful of players who come straight back in to the team after a long layoff, especially when we have fit alternatives.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: RiverRat on July 08, 2024, 10:26:27 am
Kennedy the sub - he’s versatile enough to cover mid/forward and back
Agree with the ins and outs but Kennedy is playing too well to be wasted as the sub - Cunners is a burst player who might provide a better option as the sub.
Hewitt should not have been dropped.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 08, 2024, 10:39:19 am
Im not sure where this theory has come from that we can only play one of Hewett or Kennedy but not both together. Imho we should play them both every week, as MBB suggested during the game and on his previous post it was an error leaving Hewett and Owies out and they need to come back in. Voss is a fan of Fantasia, Id be surprised if he is out of the 23.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 08, 2024, 11:07:36 am
Im not sure where this theory has come from that we can only play one of Hewett or Kennedy but not both together. Imho we should play them both every week, as MBB suggested during the game and on his previous post it was an error leaving Hewett and Owies out and they need to come back in. Voss is a fan of Fantasia, Id be surprised if he is out of the 23.
@ElwoodBlues1 Yes, I suspect we have to suffer a lot more pain before a forced change occurs, losing one game to potentially reasonable opponent won't be enough.
My only real beef is how we got to this point based on the season and player performances so far, but of course as fans we do not know what instructions the MC have issued, maybe Hewett and Owies don't follow them! Maybe they are carrying some niggles, but based on how Owies went when he finally arrived on field I doubt he's playing sore.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blueianh on July 08, 2024, 11:32:09 am
A few players might be sore , but assuming everyone comes up as seems to be the clubs position the players it seems to me under pressure to keep their spots this week are Fantasia Cottrell Kemp and O Hollands. Possible ins (assuming Martin comes back via the 2s as he should) Binns, Carroll. Cunningham, S Durdin, Hewett, Lord, Marchbank, Motlop, Pittonet, Wilson & Young. .I can't see anyone else. Hewett I think has to come back. Of the other possible ins I would say no to Durdin and Marchbank on their performances in the 2s both this week and overall, likewise Motlop though he was much better this week. Lord and Wilson impressive but want to see more of them. I think Wilson not ready for firsts yet and Lord I just need to see more of. Not a lot of hurt factor I suspect but a goer and works hard defensively which would help in the firsts. Not quick though. Binns and Carroll I don't think are much of an upgrade, good seconds players and deserve a look at at some stage, not this week for mine. Pittonet I don't think against the dogs despite their height they don't have the crash and bash ruckman. That leaves Cuningham and Young, both of whom have traits we need but issues that worry me. Both were good against the Giants after being ordinary previously. Both have shown they have the talent but not produced consistently. But this week I would take the chance on both. Cunners body holds up and he is an upgrade on most of our smalls. Maybe as sub if concerned about his ability to run out a full game. I think we need a second tall defender and we simply haven't been playing one. It bit us badly against the Giants when Weiters was hampered and Kemp outsized as you would expect. Perhaps should have tried McGovern or Weiters (despite the corkie) on Hogan but really showed up the risk of going into a game with only 1 genuine key defender. Problem is of course lack of a quality second option. Marchbank more of a third tall again and looking a mile off it at the moment, Durdin has been a good seconds player but not looking in particularly good form at the minute and Young unrecognizable from his 2022 self, but did have a much better game this week. I say seize the moment and give him a shot. He also is a relief option in the ruck if we don't want to have Harry out of the forward line too long. Not expecting much but I would throw him the chance and say there's a spot for you if you perform. So if Hewett Cuningham and Young are the 3 ins, who of the 4 possible outs keeps his spot. That is a tough one. Hollands was busiest but too often ineffective. Fantasia ineffective again and has really only the one good performance. Cottrell was poor but first up after a long break probably should have come back via the 2s, Question is having had the run do you back him to step up or do you send him back to the 2s to get miles in the legs. Kemp slaughtered but shouldn't have been asked to stand Hogan, so I give him a Mulligan and he is the one who survives - besides which we probably need the extra height especially for the doggies so even though the changes aren't like for like I think that is actually a good thing.
Without looking at the Bulldogs lineup to contemplate specific matchups something like: Newman McGovern Young Saad Weitering Kemp Acres Cripps E Hollands Cincotta McKay Williams Kennedy Curnow Owies TDK Hewett Walsh Boyd Cerra Cowan Fogarty Cuningham
If Weiters injury bad enough to rest him I'd bring in Durdin (been in better form than Marchbank and more genuine key position) and let him and Young compete for the 2nd KD spot. If both fall flat the incentive is there for Marchbank or we just live with the single KD structure for want of anyone putting their hand up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 08, 2024, 12:51:58 pm
@blueianh I've always said you have to reward form, it's critical to keep the positive reinforcement going as much as possible.
Some players just need the confidence boost and they can go to another level.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 08, 2024, 02:33:41 pm
Id have the clubs pecking order of the backup players who play KP defense to be: 1: Marchbank 2: Le.Young 3: S. Durdin The only criteria that would change that for me would be the opposition having 200cm plus Forwards which the Dogs do and I would see Lewis Young being more of a chance to be selected this week especially if Weitering needs to be rested which I think he does.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 08, 2024, 03:37:14 pm
Id have the clubs pecking order of the backup players who play KP defense to be: 1: Marchbank 2: Le.Young 3: S. Durdin The only criteria that would change that for me would be the opposition having 200cm plus Forwards which the Dogs do and I would see Lewis Young being more of a chance to be selected this week especially if Weitering needs to be rested which I think he does.
Problem with Lewis Young is you don't know what version you'll get from him. His form from a couple years ago was brilliant. His form since then has been largely terrible. Picking him might give you cover for an injury if he is playing well. Picking him might also lose you the game with the amount of goals he leaks if he is not playing well.
Marchbank is more consistent, but there isn't always a matchup for him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 08, 2024, 04:34:37 pm
Problem with Lewis Young is you don't know what version you'll get from him. His form from a couple years ago was brilliant. His form since then has been largely terrible. Picking him might give you cover for an injury if he is playing well. Picking him might also lose you the game with the amount of goals he leaks if he is not playing well.
Marchbank is more consistent, but there isn't always a matchup for him.
Someone has to pick up Darcy jr who is really tall and the only one with the height close enough to match him is Young especially if there is no Weitering or a half cooked injured version of him. Agree Young is flaky and you dont know what you will get but Marchbank or Kemp are just too short plus one of them will have to pick up Jamara if there is no Weitering.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on July 08, 2024, 07:07:42 pm
Footy Feed is saying there's a good chance Liam Jones will miss the next 4 weeks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on July 08, 2024, 08:12:28 pm
On last week's 2nd's game: Marchbank - did reasonably defensively, but struggled to get the ball. Nowhere near where he can be. I'd be loath to play him. Lewis Young - after a couple of ordinary weeks, Young stood up against GWS, took a few good marks and got over 20 disposals. His best game for quite a while. Sam Durdin - did a reasonable job, but not really hurting anyone. 12 disposals. To be honest, Dom Akuei did more intercepting. Dom Akuei - speak of the devil and Akuei wasn't bad. he did a reasonable job defensively and almost took mark of the year (again), but not a body player and not someone I'd put on someone who might be. I was surprised to see that he had only 8 possessions as he was in the play a fair bit.
That doesn't leave many options for a tall defender. I guess Young was the best performer of this lot, but ... :o
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on July 08, 2024, 08:21:34 pm
Of the mids from the 2's game: Cuningham: David stood out. 29 possessions and 8 tackles from a guy who can look a bit casual. Like all of the 2's players, he had a couple of really poor disposals, embarrassingly bad disposals, but also some really good ones. His vision was a step above. He'd be the best bet for someone who played in the 2's. Lord: the youngster was the thick of things and was pretty good, but he also had some terrible disposals. Not sure he'll get a game this year, but he has a future. 7 clearances, which I liked. Jack Carroll: No right foot and doesn't pick up his man. Not really quick enough either. But he was decent. Jaxon Binns: 27 disposals, but didn't hurt that much. His decision making was a bit better this week: he didn't run himself into trouble as much. Puts his body on the line, but doesn't have a lot of body to put on the line.
Cuningham was the best of them: he looked to know what he was doing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on July 08, 2024, 08:53:56 pm
Problem with Lewis Young is you don't know what version you'll get from him. His form from a couple years ago was brilliant. His form since then has been largely terrible. Picking him might give you cover for an injury if he is playing well. Picking him might also lose you the game with the amount of goals he leaks if he is not playing well.
Marchbank is more consistent, but there isn't always a matchup for him.
cowan was another who had quite a few moments that cost big time. He's probably one who could go out without a match up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 08, 2024, 10:11:38 pm
cowan was another who had quite a few moments that cost big time. He's probably one who could go out without a match up.
I think Cowan would be a potential out too....Id expect O Hollands and Fantasia to survive, I could see Ollie playing on the Dogs Gallagher who is a young newbie inexperienced kid winger and having an easier time of it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 08, 2024, 10:17:17 pm
Cowan and Ollie both came from the same draft and are both still finding their feet somewhat. Ollie seems a step ahead of the 2, but plays a position we have more cover in imo.
Small defenders are scarce. Docherty is out. Williams is now a forward. Cincotta is a tagger now. We have Boyd and Saad who are more of the blokes you want going up the field disposing. Then you have newman and cowan playing more of a lockdown role. Looking through the rest of the list, and that's about it. Cupboard is bare behind them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 08, 2024, 10:22:17 pm
I think Weightmans potential inclusion this week might determine how we arrange the defense and another small forward in Garcia was one of their better players in the twos so they may have 3-4 smaller types down forward...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: madbluboy on July 09, 2024, 06:19:49 pm
Weitering and TDK are in doubt for this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on July 09, 2024, 06:25:38 pm
In this part of our cycle we need to play kids but don't have to play them just for the sake of it. Geelong keep their kids in the two's for years before they get a solid run at it. Ollie isn't ready just yet either is Cowan but are both exciting young prospects. Our best youngster is Kemp that was in 22best22 last year and that's somewhat a solid bench mark to be a regular AFL footballer. From draft year to 22 years of age thats 4-5 years to make it. So plenty of time for Cowan and Ollie just not ready yet. Elijah Hollands is a chance to make it this year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on July 09, 2024, 06:27:36 pm
"Small defenders are scarce." Don't agree, largely for reasons that you identify in the remainder of your post. "Docherty is out." True "Williams is now a forward." Yes, but if we need a small defender more than his current role he can slot back in. "Cincotta is a tagger now." Ditto Williams comment. "We have Boyd and Saad who are more of the blokes you want going up the field disposing. Then you have newman and cowan playing more of a lockdown role." So there's 4 small defenders just there, plus Williams and Cincotta. "Looking through the rest of the list, and that's about it. Cupboard is bare behind them." Pretty true, though Billy Wilson looks a likely prospect not quite ready yet, ditto Lord although he is more a mid I could see his determination and defensive nous translating into defence as long as he isn't matched up on someone with pace as he isn't quick. There's also a few more players who are more naturally suited to other parts of the ground who can be pressganged into service if need be. Even if you mean quality small defenders are scarce I would disagree. Saad and Newman are clearly quality. I am a big fan of Boyd, we should be using his lovely kicking more. Cincotta was doing a great job as a lockdown defender before getting shifted on-ball. Williams has shown in the past he can be a weapon of half back, albeit he was badly out of form before being moved forward. I am a rap for Cowan though he is still young and has some rough edges. It's not the 1981 brigade (Hunter, Klomp both reigning All-Australians, Doull,, English, and Austin, with G Whitnall in reserve and Harmes and McConville available to shift into defence if needed - the talls being reigning All-Australian Geoff Southby, Woof Perovic, and Tatts Bortolotto with Scott Howell slotting in as a late replacement for Southby in the GF to stand Peter Moore quite effectively and Swan McKay able to swing back if needed. Any wonder we were in the middle of 3 flags in 4 years?)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 11, 2024, 02:12:37 pm
Part of my post which i didn't really include (that i was using to make my arguments) was everyones age.
That is.... The 4 oldest players on are list are... Newman - 31y5m Docherty - 30y8m Saad - 29y11m Williams - 29y9m
so in a couple years, they may all be gone. Then we would be left with the following players who will all be 2 years older than their listed age here.... Cincotta - 27y6m Boyd - 25y9m Cowan - 19y7m ...and even if you include Billy Wilson - 19y you can see what i'm talking about.
Remove the top 4 from our 'best 22' and suddenly we are in all sorts We need to ensure we have a couple lockdown players available to go in a couple years time. Cincotta will be 29-30 by then, so its not really a viable option long term either.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on July 11, 2024, 03:33:40 pm
Part of my post which i didn't really include (that i was using to make my arguments) was everyones age.
That is.... The 4 oldest players on are list are... Newman - 31y5m Docherty - 30y8m Saad - 29y11m Williams - 29y9m
so in a couple years, they may all be gone. Then we would be left with the following players who will all be 2 years older than their listed age here.... Cincotta - 27y6m Boyd - 25y9m Cowan - 19y7m ...and even if you include Billy Wilson - 19y you can see what i'm talking about.
Remove the top 4 from our 'best 22' and suddenly we are in all sorts We need to ensure we have a couple lockdown players available to go in a couple years time. Cincotta will be 29-30 by then, so its not really a viable option long term either.
This is why when there was a but of rage around our drafting of smalls not talls I was less concerned than most.
We need a mixture of everything but the talk our a graders are there for years and even the b graders have time. It's the under 21 bracket that concerns me the most.
List the top 10 afl players under 21 and not one of them plays for Carlton.
That's fine but when your rivals to today's flag has them then get a little concerned. I'm not asking for a raft of talent just one will do.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blueianh on July 11, 2024, 04:19:04 pm
Part of my post which i didn't really include (that i was using to make my arguments) was everyones age.
That is.... The 4 oldest players on are list are... Newman - 31y5m Docherty - 30y8m Saad - 29y11m Williams - 29y9m
so in a couple years, they may all be gone. Then we would be left with the following players who will all be 2 years older than their listed age here.... Cincotta - 27y6m Boyd - 25y9m Cowan - 19y7m ...and even if you include Billy Wilson - 19y you can see what i'm talking about.
Remove the top 4 from our 'best 22' and suddenly we are in all sorts We need to ensure we have a couple lockdown players available to go in a couple years time. Cincotta will be 29-30 by then, so its not really a viable option long term either.
Well that is another matter, I was thinking pretty much of the now. Agree that there isn't a lot in the small defender basket to come through. Cowan is young and Wilson younger. One or both of the Camporeale twins might end up running off a back flank. As we lose the older 4 over the next couple of years we will have the opportunity to bring players in and small defenders aren't the hardest roles to fill through trading.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 11, 2024, 04:22:32 pm
In fairness to all of them, if the mind remains strong, medical technology and sports science is making 31 the new 27!
If they have the will, the utilities have a good 4 or 5 years left, the big blokes maybe even longer!
You can't defeat the accumulation of time, but you can often delay it's impact!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 11, 2024, 05:45:10 pm
Marchbank and Pitto in for Fantasia (dropped) and McGovern (injured).
Still Hewett is listed as an emergency. Surely he can't be right.
Reckon TDK is a 50-50 to play, i'd rest him and remove all doubt.
Sub from..... Hollands (x2), Owies, Kennedy and Boyd.
Reckon it should be one of the Hollands.
Worth noting too that the emergencies is... Hewett, Motlop and S. Durdin.
No Lewis Young to be seen. Surely he must be trade bait. Having your whole backline (and a ruck) under an injury cloud, including 1 out, and you can't crack a spot on the emergencies??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Professer E on July 11, 2024, 06:46:47 pm
Gees we're skinny for height on our list at both ends.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blueday on July 11, 2024, 06:56:31 pm
I would really like to see SOS return and a defender in 2025, obvious hole in our list that I think he can fill.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: madbluboy on July 11, 2024, 07:02:21 pm
Marchbank lol.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pertz on July 11, 2024, 07:13:28 pm
Fantasia out, hopefully that's the last we see of him. If he gets another game, it means we are not serious contenders this year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: WASurfer on July 11, 2024, 07:17:30 pm
I'd prefer to see Owies into the 22 and Ollie Hollands as the sub this week.....Cottrell can run the other wing. With Fantasia out, and Motlop still out, really only leaves Owies as the genuine small forward. I know Williams, Fogarty and to some extend Elijah Hollands play that role but Owies is our 3rd leading goalkicker by some margin.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on July 11, 2024, 07:22:59 pm
Our line-up:
B: [2] Lachlan Cowan, [23] Jacob Weitering, [17] Brodie Kemp HB: [42] Adam Saad, [22] Caleb Marchbank, [24] Nic Newman C: [46] Matthew Cottrell, [9] Patrick Cripps, [13] Blake Acres HF: [39] Alex Cincotta, [30] Charlie Curnow, [6] Zac Williams F: [10] Harry McKay, [12] Tom De Koning, [8] Lachie Fogarty R: [27] Marc Pittonet, [18] Sam Walsh, [5] Adam Cerra Int: [37] Jordan Boyd, [20] Elijah Hollands, [4] Oliver Hollands, [7] Matthew Kennedy, [44] Matthew Owies
Em: [38] Sam Durdin, [3] Jesse Motlop, [29] George Hewett
I am scratching my head, but I often am. [1] Pitto back is OK: he was very good last week and would be good against English. But, does that suggest Tom de Koning isn't fit? Not sure I'm happy with our ruck backup, because there isn't one. Hopefully Tom is fit and the question becomes moot. [2] Fantasia out makes sense, but leaving Cottrell in? He clearly need a good run to get form and fitness. I would have done that with the VFL. Hewett is the obvious replacement, but Cuningham also impressed and played a full game. [3] Ollie H must be on fairly thin ice. He gets pushed out of the way too easily. [4] Motlop as emergency I can live with. He was pretty quiet but for his goals, but they were pretty good ones. He only really cam alive in the last quarter. [5] Marchbank in for McGovern: last week Marchbank was decent negatively, but he couldn't buy a possession. And his 3 previous games were worse, to be honest, being beaten by guys not even on an AFL list. Yet he was better than Young? Young hasn't been overly impressive in the VFL, but he hasn't been alone there. He, at least, found plenty of ball last week. Sam Durdin was emergency? Another head scratch, as he's been pretty ordinary of late. [6] Who to play on Bontempelli? Do we play Cincotta on him? Or do we use Cincotta on Libba or Treloar? Might be a better fit height-wise. I would like to starve all of these guys, as they are the danger players.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on July 11, 2024, 07:23:50 pm
Pitto dominated the ruck against GWS but really Keefe is no where near it I thought our best defender was Lewis Young - but Marchy is more a like for like but not sure that VFL game was one of his best in fact rewarding players for bad VFL form doesn't send a good message especially for the likes of Motlop that played pretty well and has for a couple of weeks now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 11, 2024, 07:26:21 pm
Id expect Keath to come in for the Bulldogs, they cant be serious about playing Khamis at Full back on Charlie. Reckon TDK will be a late out and Hewett into the lineup. Young was ok last week in the twos and Marchbank just serviceable so I reckon Young is on the way out at seasons end if he cant get a game vs his old mob and with us undersized with Darcy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: JonDorotich on July 11, 2024, 07:52:53 pm
The “we’re all very clear on our role” mantra combined with a distinct lack of player development across multiple positions during the pre-season is now limiting our match-day flexibility and is keeping a very good player out of the side. Surely Hewett is a better bet than at least a couple of guys in that side in “their role”?
It’s great to know your role, but most of our guys should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time - Cincotta can. Why we haven’t trialled DeKoning at CHB or swapped Curnow and Weitering from time to time is bewildering. This week would be so much easier if it was Pitto in and TDK to CHB rather than Marchbank or Young.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: townsendcalling on July 11, 2024, 08:01:48 pm
We have 6 or so weeks to go plus finals. Cripps, Walsh and Kennedy are all performing, Cerra is coming back from a long layoff. The odds are that within that timeframe, one of the above will get an injury or will need a rest. Enter George Hewett. He will get his chance and I'm sure he'll take it with both hands. I feel that we are definitely in 'list management mode' heading to September, a new experience for all. A fresh, motivated George Hewett could do a lot of damage when it counts!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on July 11, 2024, 08:04:18 pm
A very decent team IMO. Hopefully De Koning and Weitering have been selected with all checks and balances in place.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on July 11, 2024, 09:40:20 pm
The “we’re all very clear on our role” mantra combined with a distinct lack of player development across multiple positions during the pre-season is now limiting our match-day flexibility and is keeping a very good player out of the side. Surely Hewett is a better bet than at least a couple of guys in that side in “their role”?
It’s great to know your role, but most of our guys should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time - Cincotta can. Why we haven’t trialled DeKoning at CHB or swapped Curnow and Weitering from time to time is bewildering. This week would be so much easier if it was Pitto in and TDK to CHB rather than Marchbank or Young.
The time to trial De Koning at CHB or swap Charlie and Weiters is during an internal match sim during the 2025 pre-season. It would be a short term experiment because we want Charlie and Tom playing in their best positions; key forward and ruck.
We will need both Pitto and Tom to counter English and Darcy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on July 11, 2024, 10:45:41 pm
A very decent team IMO. Hopefully De Koning and Weitering have been selected with all checks and balances in place.
The only reservation I have is George Hewett missing out.
McGovern looked like he has been carrying an injury and the time he spent getting treatment against GWS may have been critical. Marchy is an ideal replacement and is more than capable of playing on Ugle-Hagan. That should free Kemp up to provide help as needed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 11, 2024, 10:50:49 pm
Marchbank in, that's scraping the bottom of the barrel. Dont like that selection one iota, must be giving farewell games if you believe the word on the BF street that he has told the club he will retire at seasons end.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: JonDorotich on July 11, 2024, 10:51:26 pm
The time to trial De Koning at CHB or swap Charlie and Weiters is during an internal match sim during the 2025 pre-season. It would be a short term experiment because we want Charlie and Tom playing in their best positions; key forward and ruck.
We will need both Pitto and Tom to counter English and Darcy.
Flexibility heading into the finals is important - we are now so reliant on Weitering as the others don’t cut the mustard on opp key forwards. If we don’t try players in different positions get ready for a repeat of the Hogan show every time Weiters gets injured.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on July 12, 2024, 01:40:42 am
Flexibility heading into the finals is important - we are now so reliant on Weitering as the others don’t cut the mustard on opp key forwards. If we don’t try players in different positions get ready for a repeat of the Hogan show every time Weiters gets injured.
We won the first two games of the season without Weitering. Young played quite well as Weitering's replacement and he and Sam Durdin are much better key defender options than De Koning and Curnow will ever be, even if they spent the whole pre-season learning our defence structures and patterns.
Weitering was hobbled against GWS ... as were McGovern and De Koning, and our team defence didn't function for two quarters.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 12, 2024, 05:09:06 am
We won the first two games of the season without Weitering. Young played quite well as Weitering's replacement and he and Sam Durdin are much better key defender options than De Koning and Curnow will ever be, even if they spent the whole pre-season learning our defence structures and patterns.
Weitering was hobbled against GWS ... as were McGovern and De Koning, and our team defence didn't function for two quarters.
We did win 2 without weitering. However, 1 of them is dead last in the ladder right now and the other was in worse form at the time due to imploding over the off-season.
Losing weitering is not just becoming an issue now, it's been an issue since he came.to the club and exacerbated ever since Jones walked out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 12, 2024, 07:58:08 am
There is a huge difference between a team selected without them compared to losing them in game due to injury. Fans are jerking their gherkin if they think a team can lose blokes like Weiters, TDK and McGovern in game and just expect others to cover them.
We were already probably carrying Kennedy who had zero time off form a MCL strain!
There is a lot of silly commentary going around, we basically had three KPP hobbling by 1/4-time, so it has an effect.
I fully expect some late changes this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 12, 2024, 08:06:50 am
. Fans are jerking their gherkin if they think a team can lose blokes like Weiters, TDK and McGovern in game and just expect others to cover them.
Didn't you spend most of the week conplaining that "if we only had an extra kpp on the bench...." Whereas some others were saying crap happens and you can't plan for such excessive amounts of disrupt I ins in 1 game.
....or have you forgotten already.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on July 12, 2024, 08:40:59 am
The only reservation I have is George Hewett missing out.
McGovern looked like he has been carrying an injury and the time he spent getting treatment against GWS may have been critical. Marchy is an ideal replacement and is more than capable of playing on Ugle-Hagan. That should free Kemp up to provide help as needed.
Same page here, David.
Like for like - Marchbank for Gov is logical. Although Young and tall Durds may have been performing better in the Magoos, Young/tall Durds for Gov would be silly. I liked tall Durds' game in the Magoos last week and am not surprised to see him as an emergency, insurance against Weiters not coming up.
Pitto in also makes sense. TDK up forward from time to time will provide the Dishlickers with another headache.
O Hollands as the sub, though I would have preferred Hewett or Motlop.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on July 12, 2024, 10:33:19 am
We did win 2 without weitering. However, 1 of them is dead last in the ladder right now and the other was in worse form at the time due to imploding over the off-season.
Losing weitering is not just becoming an issue now, it's been an issue since he came.to the club and exacerbated ever since Jones walked out.
Brisbane’s form was variable at the start of the season but they had some decent wins, and Richmond did beat Sydney.
Of course Weitering is difficult to replace. Not many teams have a second KPD worthy of All Australian selection in reserve, and particularly one that’s in the leadership group and is the defensive general.
We have settled on a defensive structure with Weitering as the gorilla minder (and leader) and smaller “hybrid KPDs” that are capable in the air, can provide run out of defence, and rely on team defence to help neutralise taller forwards. Young and Durdin can mind gorillas, but don’t provide the offensive capabilities of McGovern, Kemp and, to a lesser extent, Marchbank.
We’ve lost Weitering twice during games this season, once when he was subbed off and last week when he was off for treatment and was restricted when he came back on. It was a corked quad in both games and he may be susceptible to those soft tissue injuries. In both games, his absence/restriction was significant.
Having Young or Sam Durdin as the injury sub may have limited the impact of his loss/restriction.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: madbluboy on July 12, 2024, 12:35:53 pm
Carlton coach Michael Voss expects Charlie Curnow and Jacob Weitering to face the Western Bulldogs despite the Blues stars pulling up sore following the upset defeat to GWS.
Defender Mitch McGovern (hip flexor) has been ruled out for up to two weeks, but Curnow and Weitering will push through to play against the Bulldogs at Marvel Stadium on Saturday.
Dual Coleman medallist Curnow kicked just one goal against the Giants, while ace fullback Weitering was also limited after suffering a corked thigh early in the match.
“(Curnow) was certainly impacted last week, there’s no doubt about that,” Voss said on Friday.
“But he’s been able to train so he’s right to go.
“A bit unfortunate with a couple of knocks last week early in game with a couple of our boys, but they seem to have pulled up OK.
“Early in the week we weren’t 100 per cent sure but they were able to train (Thursday) and got through the training session so we expect them to play.”
Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge isn’t buying it, saying he expects Carlton will make a late change to their line-up while suggesting he does not plan to do the same, despite queries over his back-line.
Ruck-forward Rory Lobb has again been named in defence alongside inexperienced tall Buku Khamis, with Alex Keath among the emergencies on his return from injury.
The Dogs’ defenders have taken “tips and hints” from how GWS back-man Jack Buckley tackled Curnow last week, and will look for help to contain fellow Blues talls Harry McKay and Tom De Koning.
“The way they’ve picked their emergencies with a midfielder and two small forwards, we sort of anticipate that maybe one of their bigs is coming out - otherwise they are quite tall in their front end,” Beveridge said.
“It will definitely be what’s happening from the 12 to 14 (players) up the field that are going to help our key defenders on those big boys.
“That’s priority No.1 for us - to make sure that our team defensive system works better than it has done last week.”
Carlton captain Patrick Cripps will run out for his 200th game, with Voss not ruling out the prospect of a head-to-head battle against fellow superstar Marcus Bontempelli.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on July 12, 2024, 03:20:07 pm
Just watching the Footy Feed Video in the AFL App talking the weekend's games. Said to look out for Charlie Curnow, who injured his ankle in the warm up last week. Didn't say he'd be out but just to watch out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 12, 2024, 03:25:29 pm
Just watching the Footy Feed Video in the AFL App talking the weekend's games. Said to look out for Charlie Curnow, who injured his ankle in the warm up last week. Didn't say he'd be out but just to watch out.
Charlie slightly rolled his ankle in game 3 or 4 games back when he planted his foot on top of an opponents, somebody will know which game it was, but he came back on a ran out the game OK. I'd suggest he's been carrying a slight injury since then.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on July 12, 2024, 06:59:17 pm
Charlie slightly rolled his ankle in game 3 or 4 games back when he planted his foot on top of an opponents, somebody will know which game it was, but he came back on a ran out the game OK. I'd suggest he's been carrying a slight injury since then.
Geelong.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: shawny on July 13, 2024, 03:14:15 pm
Bug rumours doing the rounds saying he is going to be a late out
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 13, 2024, 03:46:37 pm
NO LATE CHANGES
SUBSTITUTES Western Bulldogs: Harvey Gallagher Carlton: Matthew Kennedy
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LoveNavy on July 13, 2024, 04:13:12 pm
Big congratulations to one of our most inspirational leaders. Enjoy the moment big fella #crippa200
Bring it home for the skipper
Title: Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LoveNavy on July 13, 2024, 04:31:20 pm