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Title: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2024, 12:04:43 pm
The Dogs are 3rd, but on the decline. Their losses have all been recent.
Have we improved enough to challenge them? I wouldn't think so. Too many guys not producing enough.

Monahan, Moir, Sam Durdin, Akuei, Mirkov, Lemmey: too many doing not enough.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 10, 2024, 07:24:53 pm
I hope Will Hayes is available this week. His dynamism was much appreciated, even if his disposal is a bit iffy. A lot of our present VFL team is pretty iffy on the disposal front.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: DJC on July 10, 2024, 07:39:40 pm
I hope Will Hayes is available this week. His dynamism was much appreciated, even if his disposal is a bit iffy. A lot of our present VFL team is pretty iffy on the disposal front.

Hayes is exactly the sort of player the Magoos need; knows the VFL like the back of his hand, leads by example and always gives his best shot.  Not quite good/big/fast enough for AFL but perfect for VFL.

I’d love to know how we convinced him to pull on the navy blue guernsey 🤔
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 10, 2024, 08:14:56 pm
Hayes is exactly the sort of player the Magoos need; knows the VFL like the back of his hand, leads by example and always gives his best shot.  Not quite good/big/fast enough for AFL but perfect for VFL.

I’d love to know how we convinced him to pull on the navy blue guernsey 🤔
Mates with Luke Power I believe and now back in the city after being up in the country somewhere where he played some footy  asked if he could train with the VFL team to help keep his fitness up and said he was up for a game if  needed.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: DJC on July 10, 2024, 08:58:41 pm
Mates with Luke Power I believe and now back in the city after being up in the country somewhere where he played some footy  asked if he could train with the VFL team to help keep his fitness up and said he was up for a game if  needed.

I wonder if he retracted the harsh words he had to say about his delisting 🤔

Either way, I’m glad he’s back in navy blue 🙂
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: blueianh on July 11, 2024, 10:30:28 am
The Dogs are 3rd, but on the decline. Their losses have all been recent.
Have we improved enough to challenge them? I wouldn't think so. Too many guys not producing enough.
Monahan, Moir, Sam Durdin, Akuei, Mirkov, Lemmey: too many doing not enough.
Just a wee bit harsh on Durdin, but the others I agree with.  Monahan very much a project player, Moir and Lemmey young and show a bit but both need to get some fire in their belly if they are going to make it, theu have the tools.  Mirkov and Akuei experiments coming to a close I would think, although the last 2 weeks Dom has shown more than in his entire previous career, but his problem is I think he has to come off category B rookie status and I don't think he has done enough to warrant a standard rookie much less main list place.  Would love to see him keep up the good work and make me eat my words,  and his form of the last 2 weeks replicated consistently might just do that.

Are we not able to let our more project players develop at a suburban club?  Or do those not picked for the 2s have to sit the round out?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on July 11, 2024, 10:42:19 am
Too many injuries will always decimate a team, AFL or VFL, whether fans like to admit it or not, it is a reason and an excuse.

There is a world of difference between a coach saying there are no excuses and the reality of losing due to injuries, a coach says that because he wants players to go in with a focus, he wants them to believe they have a chance which they always do, because often defeat starts in the mind.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: DJC on July 11, 2024, 10:48:13 am
Just a wee bit harsh on Durdin, but the others I agree with.  Monahan very much a project player, Moir and Lemmey young and show a bit but both need to get some fire in their belly if they are going to make it, theu have the tools.  Mirkov and Akuei experiments coming to a close I would think, although the last 2 weeks Dom has shown more than in his entire previous career, but his problem is I think he has to come off category B rookie status and I don't think he has done enough to warrant a standard rookie much less main list place.  Would love to see him keep up the good work and make me eat my words,  and his form of the last 2 weeks replicated consistently might just do that.

Are we not able to let our more project players develop at a suburban club?  Or do those not picked for the 2s have to sit the round out?

I don’t believe that AFL listed players can play in domestic competitions.  I think that’s one of the problems with our VFL team; we have to select our AFL listed players regardless of the lack of experience, leadership, nous and ability.

That’s where Sam Durdin’s presence in the team is important … and his form has been OK.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on July 11, 2024, 10:52:47 am
That’s where Sam Durdin’s presence in the team is important … and his form has been OK.
I thought last game Young was better than Durdin, but is it Durdin's presence that made Young better?

Also Marchbank was back out there, as much as fans might be dismissive his presence matters.

If so that is a problem, because Young has the physical capabilities exceeding Durdin, but as a replacement for Weiters whoever goes in must stand up in a leadership role.

How do you take someone who is not quite up to fulltime AFL standards, but has the leadership quality you need, and keep them happy playing VFL?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: blueianh on July 11, 2024, 12:01:34 pm
How do you take someone who is not quite up to fulltime AFL standards, but has the leadership quality you need, and keep them happy playing VFL?
Making the Club somewhere you don't want to leave helps, but these guys are professionals so it is very difficult if there are weaker teams out there that could offer them a regular run in the firsts.  However if they are genuinely not quite up to fulltime AFL such that they don't have those sorts of offers they may be prepared to hang around for the prospect of injury or somesuch opening up a spot.  In another thread I just mentioned Scott Howell, 39 games in 6 years but a last-minute injury call up in 1981 makes him the only player in VFL/AFL history to be the third generation to play in a premiership (his father Carlton Hall of Famer Jack "Chooka" Howell Jnr winning one in 1947 and Jack senior being BOG for the Swans when they downed Collingwood (God bless them) in 1918).  So just maybe if regular seniors service isn't on offer back-up in a flag-contending team might be preferred.   
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: DJC on July 11, 2024, 12:32:12 pm
I thought last game Young was better than Durdin, but is it Durdin's presence that made Young better?

Also Marchbank was back out there, as much as fans might be dismissive his presence matters.

If so that is a problem, because Young has the physical capabilities exceeding Durdin, but as a replacement for Weiters whoever goes in must stand up in a leadership role.

How do you take someone who is not quite up to fulltime AFL standards, but has the leadership quality you need, and keep them happy playing VFL?

The combination of Durdin, Young and Marchbank makes all three better players.  Our team defence was much better last game -Pitto, Cuners, Carroll, Binns, Lord, Hayes and Motlop all contributed - and that makes life much easier for our tall defenders.

I think Sam Durdin would be happier staying with us than returning to the SANFL but he must be getting close to his rookie limit.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 12, 2024, 02:59:08 pm
Our line-up for this week:
B:  [38] Sam Durdin,  [55] Lachlan Young,  [33] Lewis Young
HB:  [74] Logan Prout,  [41] Domanic Akuei,  [34] Rob Monahan
C:  [29] George Hewett,  [25] Jaxon Binns,  [28] David Cuningham
HF:  [43] Ashton Moir,  [14] Orazio Fantasia,  [3] Jesse Motlop
F:  [21] Jack Martin,  [31] Harry Lemmey,  [40] Hudson O'Keeffe
R:  [45] Alex Mirkov,  [36] Cooper Lord,  [16] Jack Carroll
Int: [53] Will Hayes,  [54] Ned Cahill,  [52] Liam McMahon,  [77] Will White,  [72] Oliver Badr,  [64] Archie Stevens,  [62] Hayden Gill

Em:  [51] Heath Ramshaw,  [50] Zavier Maher,  [63] Kristian Ferronato,  [71] Callum Verrell,  [69] Hugo Nosiara

The centre line looks impressive, and the small forwards look dangerous.
Monahan has been named as HBF: there have been calls for that on here.
Somehow I doubt we'll line up this way, but the game is the day after the AFL games, so it isn't impossible.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: kruddler on July 12, 2024, 03:15:50 pm
Our line-up for this week:
B:  [38] Sam Durdin,  [55] Lachlan Young,  [33] Lewis Young
HB:  [74] Logan Prout,  [41] Domanic Akuei,  [34] Rob Monahan
C:  [29] George Hewett,  [25] Jaxon Binns,  [28] David Cuningham
HF:  [43] Ashton Moir,  [14] Orazio Fantasia,  [3] Jesse Motlop
F:  [21] Jack Martin,  [31] Harry Lemmey,  [40] Hudson O'Keeffe
R:  [45] Alex Mirkov,  [36] Cooper Lord,  [16] Jack Carroll
Int: [53] Will Hayes,  [54] Ned Cahill,  [52] Liam McMahon,  [77] Will White,  [72] Oliver Badr,  [64] Archie Stevens,  [62] Hayden Gill

Em:  [51] Heath Ramshaw,  [50] Zavier Maher,  [63] Kristian Ferronato,  [71] Callum Verrell,  [69] Hugo Nosiara

The centre line looks impressive, and the small forwards look dangerous.
Monahan has been named as HBF: there have been calls for that on here.
Somehow I doubt we'll line up this way, but the game is the day after the AFL games, so it isn't impossible.

Have we ever put so many AFL players in a VFL team before?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 12, 2024, 07:57:19 pm
Possibly, but I'm sure we've put out a team with more consistent performers.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 13, 2024, 09:15:54 pm
Let's see if the guys step up tomorrow. After all, there are plenty of spots available for anyone who really stands up.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 12:46:25 pm
Good start. Led by 2pts against the win at 1/4 time.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: madbluboy on July 14, 2024, 12:52:06 pm
Fantasia injured
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 12:59:01 pm
Reckon the wind is more across looking at McMahon shot blow to the point post and OOF.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: kruddler on July 14, 2024, 01:11:08 pm
hopefully nothing too serious, but just serious enough to keep him out until October.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: shawny on July 14, 2024, 01:22:20 pm

Oh no. What a blow. Who else have we got to fill the role of doing sfa.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Baggers on July 14, 2024, 01:25:55 pm
hopefully nothing too serious, but just serious enough to keep him out until October.

K diplomacy rating: 10, out of a possible 10.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 01:26:51 pm
So far, at half time, Sam Durdin, 12 touches and 7 marks, Hewett, 12, Motlop only 3, Martin 6 but time is being managed, Lewis Young 13 with 4 marks, Binns, 12, Carroll 16, Cunningham 7.

We lead by 2pts.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Baggers on July 14, 2024, 01:29:50 pm
Just got back from dropping Mrs Baggers at the airport (off to the sunshine... work related), so didn't see the first half. Stats show tall Durds putting his hand up? Likewise L Young, Carroll?

How are Martin, Hewett, Motlop, Binns and Cunners doing?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: PaulP on July 14, 2024, 01:37:37 pm
According to the 7AFL twitter account, Orazio is reported as suffering a tight calf.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 01:38:52 pm
Just got back from dropping Mrs Baggers at the airport (off to the sunshine... work related), so didn't see the first half. Stats show tall Durds putting his hand up? Likewise L Young, Carroll?

How are Martin, Hewett, Motlop, Binns and Cunners doing?

Martin time managed so just has the 6 touches, Motlop hardly sighted with 3, Binns, Hewett going well, Cunningham has 10 touches. Martin just kicked a point then. Very tricky breeze making it low scoring.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on July 14, 2024, 01:40:04 pm
It's weird that a Voss lead club seems so average in ball use at both AFL and VFL level.

The stats are misleading, we tend to have a lot of bland possessions, short kicks and handballs that boost our efficiency figures, but aren't penetrating.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 01:42:35 pm
Every time we get a goal we give it straight back on a day where scores are hard to come by.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on July 14, 2024, 01:47:04 pm
Watching Carroll, we need players like him to develop, he's a sweet ball user given opportunities.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 01:47:57 pm
Watching Carroll, we need players like him to develop, he's a sweet ball user given opportunities.

Yes, having a good one.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Macca37 on July 14, 2024, 01:52:25 pm
What channel is broadcasting this match?  It's supposed to be on C7 but they are fixated on attempted assignation of Trump.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: PaulP on July 14, 2024, 01:53:29 pm
What channel is broadcasting this match?  It's supposed to be on C7 but they are fixated on attempted assignation of Trump.

https://www.afl.com.au/afl-tv/stream?player=arILJvH9PY&streamId=State%20League%20CH56

It's on the AFL website.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Macca37 on July 14, 2024, 01:56:17 pm
Thanks, Paul
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: PaulP on July 14, 2024, 01:56:57 pm

No worries.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 02:00:23 pm
What channel is broadcasting this match?  It's supposed to be on C7 but they are fixated on attempted assignation of Trump.
Ch.74
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: madbluboy on July 14, 2024, 02:03:27 pm
7mate
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: northernblue on July 14, 2024, 02:03:50 pm
What channel is broadcasting this match?  It's supposed to be on C7 but they are fixated on attempted assignation of Trump.
AFL app.
They let you stream to you tv now 👍🏼
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 02:14:22 pm
We made a mess of that last 10 min.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LoveNavy on July 14, 2024, 02:14:38 pm
Like AFL  we're getting smashed i50 qnd clearances
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 02:24:41 pm
Back to within 3pts.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: PaulP on July 14, 2024, 02:30:03 pm
I think the next big task for Brian Cook and the football department is to bridge the gap between the AFL and VFL teams. I maintain my long held opinion that you can't be successful at the top level unless the seconds are also doing well. 
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 02:30:13 pm
Just as we get close we give up 2 goals.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: madbluboy on July 14, 2024, 02:30:27 pm
Motlop!
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 02:31:02 pm
I think the next big task for Brian Cook and the football department is to bridge the gap between the AFL and VFL teams. I maintain my long held opinion that you can't be successful at the top level unless the seconds are also doing well. 

Our VFL side has been playing with ring ins most of the season.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LoveNavy on July 14, 2024, 02:31:18 pm
Carroll injured?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: PaulP on July 14, 2024, 02:31:29 pm
Apparently Jack Carroll also off injured.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on July 14, 2024, 02:41:51 pm
Something I don't like that is coming into AFL, the players executing the hip drop tackle, it's going to end in a lot of players with ankle and lower leg injuries. Too many occurrences for it to be accidental, they are training it.

Tackle an opponent around the waste, then curl up your legs to put your full weight into the opponents legs.

AFL must act in my opinion, it's an awful look.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: madbluboy on July 14, 2024, 02:45:04 pm
Shocking umpiring.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: madbluboy on July 14, 2024, 02:47:14 pm
Young just turned it over and probably killed the game.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on July 14, 2024, 02:47:38 pm
Notice you keep hearing that phrase "cough up" for the blues, it's not an accident, and it happens too often at all levels.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: PaulP on July 14, 2024, 02:50:46 pm
A virtual rinse and repeat of yesterday. Never really looked like winning, but never blown out of the water. We manage to close the gap, and yet the Dogs do enough to keep us at arms length.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: madbluboy on July 14, 2024, 02:51:30 pm
Umpire's just put the whistle away in the last 5 minutes. Probably missed about 3 frees in our half of the ground and a 50 that would have been a certain goal.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 14, 2024, 02:53:16 pm
Got smashed around the ball by their senior players and apart from Hewett who did well there wasnt much to get excited about or think about selecting in the seniors.
Hayes was handy again and Carroll got some decent stats until injured but it was an ugly game like most you see or have seen at the Whitten Oval.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LoveNavy on July 14, 2024, 03:01:27 pm
I think the next big task for Brian Cook and the football department is to bridge the gap between the AFL and VFL teams. I maintain my long held opinion that you can't be successful at the top level unless the seconds are also doing well. 

Aka depth
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on July 14, 2024, 03:04:17 pm
You can't win footy matches when you have clear uncontested disposals missing targets 30m away, we have it happening at both levels.

Add to that, too many times our targets are caught behind, we don't attack the footy we prop waiting for it to arrive, saw the same yesterday, it's an invitation for the opposition.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LoveNavy on July 14, 2024, 03:18:24 pm
Similar to AFL in so many ways. We're the team that "kept hanging around"

Despite hit out dominance, we get smashed in clearances, in the air, and i50. Familiar story.

A good game from most AFL players. George, Carroll (great delivery), Motlop, tall Durdin in particular. Vossy was no doubt taking notes!

Great news that Jack Martin gets through on managed minutes and looked comfortable running post game. Wouldn't be surprised if he's in next week. BTW I hope we don't get complacent v NM and take our lessons from the last 2 games.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: blueianh on July 14, 2024, 03:20:39 pm
Beaten by a narrow margin again.  This time 79-88 we blew it when we gave up 4 goals in time on in the 3rd to go from an 8 point lead to a 16 point deficit.  Hewett and Carroll got leather poisoning (and Hayes again) and Lewis Young and Sam Durdin both stood up well as key defenders.  If they drop Marchbank - and he should be dropped on last night's performance, but maybe they want to give him 2 in a row - then both are showing decent form.  Young has probably been better the last 2 weeks but poor b  efore that, Durdin has been more consistently decent.  Maybe if Weiters needs a break they could both come in.  Carroll was off for a while in the last - hopefully nothing to worry about but I don't see him pushing into the team anyway.  Orazio went off injured in Q1 and Jack Martin was activated.  Jack didn't do much but first game back after a long lay-off.  Other than Hewett, Hayes Carroll and Lewis Young no-one cracked 20 possessions.  Motlop only 13 possessions but did look dangerous when he got it and his 9 tackles was second only to Hewett's 10.  Binns and Lord were quieter than they have been, Moir busier (still only 13 possessions) but none seemed to be knocking the door down for selection in the ones.  Cuningham only 18 possessions and not as silky with them s usual.  My view is either Young or Durdin for Marchbank - maybe both if Weiters needs a rest or they decide against the Pitto/TDK combination.  Hewett or maybe Jack Carroll if we want more grunt in the middle - prefer Hewett but question is whether we need more one-paced mids, even one as good as Hewett.  Maybe Kennedy may need a spell and either of them could cover his midfield role but neither has his marking presence.  Williams was subbed off in the ones but unless they bring in Motlop or gamble on Jack Martin off only a short game back I don't know we have a like-for-like replacement.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 03:21:46 pm
One thing we don't lack is depth. We sit 2nd spending much of the season playing with so many missing.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: laj on July 14, 2024, 03:23:24 pm
Beaten by a narrow margin again.  This time 79-88 we blew it when we gave up 4 goals in time on in the 3rd to go from an 8 point lead to a 16 point deficit.  Hewett and Carroll got leather poisoning (and Hayes again) and Lewis Young and Sam Durdin both stood up well as key defenders.  If they drop Marchbank - and he should be dropped on last night's performance, but maybe they want to give him 2 in a row - then both are showing decent form.  Young has probably been better the last 2 weeks but poor b  efore that, Durdin has been more consistently decent.  Maybe if Weiters needs a break they could both come in.  Carroll was off for a while in the last - hopefully nothing to worry about but I don't see him pushing into the team anyway.  Orazio went off injured in Q1 and Jack Martin was activated.  Jack didn't do much but first game back after a long lay-off.  Other than Hewett, Hayes Carroll and Lewis Young no-one cracked 20 possessions.  Motlop only 13 possessions but did look dangerous when he got it and his 9 tackles was second only to Hewett's 10.  Binns and Lord were quieter than they have been, Moir busier (still only 13 possessions) but none seemed to be knocking the door down for selection in the ones.  Cuningham only 18 possessions and not as silky with them s usual.  My view is either Young or Durdin for Marchbank - maybe both if Weiters needs a rest or they decide against the Pitto/TDK combination.  Hewett or maybe Jack Carroll if we want more grunt in the middle - prefer Hewett but question is whether we need more one-paced mids, even one as good as Hewett.  Maybe Kennedy may need a spell and either of them could cover his midfield role but neither has his marking presence.  Williams was subbed off in the ones but unless they bring in Motlop or gamble on Jack Martin off only a short game back I don't know we have a like-for-like replacement.

Motlop did get get 10 of his touches in the 2nd half, Cunning ham got 11 in the 2nd half as well.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Thryleon on July 14, 2024, 03:23:48 pm
I think we need to elevate young to afl level.  He's the only one we have who is big enough and capable of actually stepping up and improving into the additional backman we need.

Marchy has more talent but he's a bit smaller and perennially broken.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 14, 2024, 03:40:43 pm
Id probably gamble and pick Martin this week for Williams, he usually goes ok first up from a spell and then gets injured after a few games back. Motlop and Cuningham didnt do much to deserve a promotion and either did Young imo.
More inclined to stick with Marchbank after watching todays efforts from Young and Durdin ...the latter is steady but treacle slow and Nth are not a big team up forward other than Larkey and use Zurhaar as default KP Forward.
Carroll gets a bit of ball but reminds me of Zac Fisher in that his disposals dont do much damage, if I was bringing him in it would be to play on a wing in place of Ollie Hollands, wouldnt want him anywhere near LDU, Sheezel or Wardlaw etc as his defensive efforts are not great.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LoveNavy on July 14, 2024, 04:07:46 pm
One thing we don't lack is depth. We sit 2nd spending much of the season playing with so many missing.


Fair call. I should qualify that comment. Depth is relative to the available players on the list. Year on year we have a long injury list. We also have a core of highly talented ($) injury prone players.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Professer E on July 14, 2024, 04:25:10 pm
 Next soldier in doing the job, up to a point.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: blueianh on July 14, 2024, 04:26:15 pm
Durdin ...the latter is steady but treacle slow ...
Perhaps he could pick up Brynn Treakle  ... I mean Teakle?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 16 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 14, 2024, 07:43:53 pm
Not a lot for me to say, most has already been said.

George Hewett will play next week.
Not sure about Matthew Kennedy: he was surprisingly ineffective yesterday.

Round continues to show ... something. Enough? I'm yet to be convinced. He isn't a body player and we really need him to be one.

Dom Akuei: not the conditions for him to show his best, but we really want more than what he's delivering.
Ashton Moir: maybe he's heading in the right direction, as his output has improved about 40%, but he really isn't a threat yet.
Motlop: also not the conditions for him to shine, but I like the tackles numbers.