Carlton Supporters Club

We won't lose again all season and will win the flag.

Our next 4 games are very winnable.  I recommend checking out everyone's run home, only Geelong have it east and Sydney with their advantage.

Problem is two of our easy hames are Collingwood on Pendlebury's 400th and Hawthorn. St.Kilda is never easy at the best of times either.

Our biggest issue with wins/losses from here lies in the ladder, and not simply position, but the teams around us.

Sydney have top spot. Someone will have to travel to Sydney in week 1, they'll win and have the bye in week 2 and will host week 3 as well.
Currently we are 2nd.
3rd-6th are all interstate teams  (currenty - Port, Freo, Brisbane, GWS) and they will host 2 games at a minimum, possibly all 3.

7th is Geelong which has the option of hosting games down at KP.

There may not be a game at the MCG in week 1 of finals unless we get up 2nd, or fall to 5th.

We need to win games like this to avoid travelling interstate in the finals.

Agree.....dont want to miss top two and end up having to play the Swans or Lions interstate because thats just too hard in the finals especially with banged up key players.
Imo the Swans are clear favourites unless they get massive injuries to their key players, have been the best team and have a terrific home ground advantage and recruited to win a premiership this season with Grundy and Adams. We are not the finished product and need more tinkering with list and some fresh kids like the Campos to give us a spark and some energy next season.

Hope you are not pinning your hopes of a premiership on first year players?

David Glascott and Scott Camporeale started their careers with premiership seasons, not pinning my hopes on the Campo kids or any other first years but sometimes those young players can give you a lift and energy burst.

Would've been nice if Richmond upped the physicality and gave the Pies a few tired and sore bodies. Sadly no.

I have a bad feeling about this game.

I'll give us one last chance, they are travelling about as well as us and are down on numbers being forced to play kids. They wont be playing finals and shouldnt have the motivation we should have and I expect a response from Voss and the playing group.
Blues by 35 points....

Hopefully we get Harry and Blacres back. Fogs and Mots need to do better.

Always gotta blame the small forwards after every loss.

St Kilda champion Leigh Montagna highlighted how their defence is also letting them down in recent times.

“If they don’t defend like a premiership team and have that premiership level commitment, they are not going to win it this year,” he began.

“I want to look at these defenders individually because I think that’s what it is, as a system, they defend pretty well, but when they have to defend one-on-one, they really struggle.”

Weitering is statistically the best one-on-one defender in the competition at the moment, losing just 7.5% of his battles, but the rest of his teammates, lose 31.7% of one-on-ones, ranked second last across the competition.

“This is why they can’t defend from clearance, clearance you have to defend one on one and beat your man,” Montagna said.

He believes that Brodie Kemp is “undersized and doesn’t get it done”, while also spotlighting Mitch McGovern and Adam Saad’s flaws.

“Mitch McGovern has some flaws, he can get completely beaten defensively… that’s amateur-ish ability to defend,” Montagna said in relation to a clip where McGovern is totally lost in a marking contest.

“Saad can do some really good things but he’s a ball-watcher, it’s been his issue the whole time but generally he makes up for it with speed.

“For Carlton to go to the next level, they have to continue to work on their ability to defend and I think it’s on the individuals to improve their defensive craft, they need to take it to another level if they want to be getting to Grand Final day.”

There’s certainly time for the Blues to rectify this.

They face an out-of-form Collingwood in an MCG blockbuster on Saturday night, before taking on Hawthorn, West Coast and St Kilda in the run home.

The lad on the rookie list EB might be a shy a few CMS but could be the defender we need EB.  A least has the mindset to play the role and grew up playing across half back, not a converted forward

Kemp is the fall guy and gets big jobs on opposition star players usually bigger than himself but when he fails he gets dropped.
He is a 3rd tall intercept defender not a KP  defender and not a lockdown type.
All these these defensive issues centre around not having a true CHB with good size who can mind the taller physical types.

Kemp is the fall guy and gets big jobs on opposition star players usually bigger than himself but when he fails he gets dropped.
He is a 3rd tall intercept defender not a KP  defender and not a lockdown type.
All these these defensive issues centre around not having a true CHB with good size who can mind the taller physical types.

Hence would mind Binns coming in.

No EB, Matt Carroll from the Sandringham Dragons who has OP.

No EB, Matt Carroll from the Sandringham Dragons who has OP. 

Always gotta blame the small forwards after every loss.

They had no impact so yeah. Need to do better - pressure count was too low.

Motlop has kicked 4 goals in 2 games.

If he managed that for a whole season, he'd win the coleman.
Maybe he isn't the problem.

Also cowan defends well but he gets lost at times stuck between his men.  I don't moan much about our defenders.  Lewis young got the raw end of the stick when he was somehow infringing against esava at every turn.  Those don't get paid much.

Give him time and confidence.  It's amazing what happened to him considering his first 8 games this year.  No one really got hold of him we just elected to drop him out of the side at the first opportunity and then didn't bring him back like we did marchbank. 

I get why but at the same time you hamper youngs ability to grow. 

Ollie, Carroll and Moo - outski.

Cincotta has to play on the good Daicos. For the entire game. Simple as that. If the MC can't figure that one out then all hope is lost

Ollie and Moo won't be getting dropped anytime soon.

Listened to SEN tonight. Daniel Hoyne said he is not worried about Carlton, just need to tweek a few things. We are apparently still in good shape overall. Corn also still big on Carlton.
I must have watching a different Carlton over the past 4 weeks. I don't care what the Champion Data metrics say, I am very concerned how we are going.
What was interesting also was that no team over the past 20 years that has won the flag, has lost more than 3 of their last 8 games.
The Swans and us are right on the knife's edge now.

Listened to SEN tonight. Daniel Hoyne said he is not worried about Carlton, just need to tweek a few things. We are apparently still in good shape overall. Corn also still big on Carlton.
I must have watching a different Carlton over the past 4 weeks. I don't care what the Champion Data metrics say, I am very concerned how we are going.
What was interesting also was that no team over the past 20 years that has won the flag, has lost more than 3 of their last 8 games.
The Swans and us are right on the knife's edge now.

We haven't been that bad.

Listened to SEN tonight. Daniel Hoyne said he is not worried about Carlton, just need to tweek a few things. We are apparently still in good shape overall. Corn also still big on Carlton.
I must have watching a different Carlton over the past 4 weeks. I don't care what the Champion Data metrics say, I am very concerned how we are going.
What was interesting also was that no team over the past 20 years that has won the flag, has lost more than 3 of their last 8 games.
The Swans and us are right on the knife's edge now.

Our current form indicates a loss against a side we struggle to beat. Match up to well against but struggle to beat convincingly. Loss by 3 points as my guess. In the dying seconds of the match. After a 4 goal lead early in the game and manage to let the result slip away. Probably with some help from the umpires decisions. We don’t know how to stop the blood flow when the momentum swings the other way in the recent 4 games. When you only score one goal in the second half, against a side that has to travel interstate, you are in poor form. With or without injuries. Just my opinion but we could be in trouble very soon. “The season that could have been huge”.

Daniel hoyne not worried well i am a worried our long bomb game plan is main problem

I read somewhere it was suggested that Voss and Co. seem to have the "you'll score 15 goals but we'll score 16 goals"  mentality. I reckon that's pretty close to it at the minute.

Correct.

We lost to GWS by 12 points up there.
They have only lost 2 games at home all year. Swans and Dogs.

We lost to the dogs by 14 points.
Next week the dogs played Cats at GMHBA and won by 47 points!

These are quality teams and not some no name teams. You will lose these games sometimes.

Pies are down on form currently, but they still won a flag last year so they haven't completely forgotten how to play football.

No team wins every week.
Perhaps we should've done better, but thats why we play the games because the outcome is unknown.

We've won 1 out of our last 4, but out 3 losses have been 14, 12 and 14 points.....hardly a flogging and against all top 8 sides.

We are not that bad.

The problem is we have been in very winnable position each game.
We fail to put teams to the sword. We have for about 20 years.
It’s a problem. A problem not easily overcome IMO

Daniel hoyne not worried well i am a worried our long bomb game plan is main problem

With Cunners, Corey Durdin, Fantasia, Zac out - door opens for Jack Martin for one of his final games for the club.

Ill bet you whatever you like that if he plays this week, he'll be out next week with an injury. The bloke cannot be depended on and must be moved on along with Cunningham and Marchbank. We need to replace them with some reliable and durable back ups, not neccessarily superstars (although it would be nice) players who you can rely upon week to week.

Thats pretty close to our strongest possible side IMO.

Swap Pitto and TDK.
Maybe throw in Williams.
Wouldn't change anything else

Thats pretty close to our strongest possible side IMO.

Swap Pitto and TDK.
Maybe throw in Williams.
Wouldn't change anything else

Thats pretty close to our strongest possible side IMO.

Swap Pitto and TDK.
Maybe throw in Williams.
Wouldn't change anything else

Only 5 players missing from pies 2023 premiership team.
Mihocek - Pec (8-10 weeks)
Mitchell - Foot (TBC)
Markov - Omitted last week "Personal reasons" ??
Ginnivan - Hawthorn
Murphy - Retired

In their place...
Noble - Played 23 H+A games in 2023, dropped for finals
McStay - Missed GF due to getting Injured in the prelim
Schultz - Fremantle
Long - Hawthorn
Bytel - St. Kilda

So, on paper.....they are about as strong as they could be as well.....yet are horribly out of form.....like us.....but we are odds on favourites???

DeGoey wont be fit and might be a last minute out

McStay doesnt fit with their system imo and Mihocek is a big loss.
Schultz has been a fail
Long is a ordinary player who Hawks flicked.
Bytel...see Long
Noble...good footballer
DeGoey wont be fit and might be a last minute out

I think we have them well covered and Martin might have a good impact like he usually does first up after injury and we deserve to strong favourites...

McStay fitted in pretty well last round.  He and Cox could make life very difficult for our defence.

I think that the Pies would be disappointed with Schultz but he seems to save his best footy for us, as do a few of his teammates.  Their confidence will be up after having their way with the Tigers and I suspect that we’ll be in for a tough night.

If we play to our capabilities we'll win this week.

"Even when you're an opposition coach you can stop for a moment and admire great players in our game and he's certainly been that for the game as well as for the Collingwood Football Club," Voss, who played for Brisbane in Pendlebury's first game back in 2006, said.

"And I guess the best way we can pay our respects is making sure we bring our absolute best version.

There are comments going around on various social media sites, that all supporters in attendance tomorrow should stand up and clap at the 10 minute mark of the first quarter in acknowledgement of Pendlebury and many Carlton supporters are agreeing that they will. Now, win, lose or draw I'm happy to applaud him at the end of the game...... but not mid match in the heat of battle.

That is a ridiculous idea.
 If we have momentum the last thing our players would need would be that distraction.
By all means at the end of the game...but mid quarter. ::)

Jiust watched Martins 150 game highlightes. Shows what a talent he can be.

Need to get him up and firing for the remainder.

Fingers crossed... O0  O0

Will be subbed in the 2nd quarter with tightness somewhere. No faith at all with this guy.