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Reckon it will be ugly either way......Hawks either run us ragged like they did to Collingwood or we overpower their kids and Charlie and Harry kick a bundle each. Lose to Hawthorn and its over and time for the cracked, sacked and backed list to appear...

We are much better than this, have an extra day break and whilst the Hawks have been good freo and gws down in tassie is their only really solid wins in the last couple of months. 

Beating Brisbane at marvel when they did wasn't a good win.

Brisbane hadn't started rolling yet.

I'm not so pessimistic about this match but I'm starting to think our flag chance is slipping away and I can only blame the MC for flirting with form, selecting unfit players and then causing a roll on.

Meek is close to AA ruck with a very hard unit at his feet....he'll flog Pitto and Cripps will have his hands full with three blokes hanging off him.  Game will be won and lost right there.

Yep pit was a non event last night. And while i hate blaming injuries losing TDK probably means year is done.

He is another midfielder and as we are so one paced in there he is faster then the opposition ruck so he tends to balance us up better. Pit is a trier decent if he gets he's hands to it in a ruck contest but after that we play one man short.

Another L I reckon.

I got it wrong with the Pies game expecting us to rise to the occasion so Im not brave enough to call this one, Im just hoping the Hawks think its over for them as far as finals go and take the foot off the gas and we can take advantage even though we look like losing a few players. I wouldnt be playing half fit players this week and if Charlie in particular is borderline I would rest him and play someone like Kennedy at FF and alter the game plan to suit.

One thing going for us, i hope, is that there will be a huge crowd there and we are used to playing in front of huge crowds.
Not sure the hawks can say the same and it may get the better of them.

They beat Richmond in front of 92,000.

One thing going for us, i hope, is that there will be a huge crowd there and we are used to playing in front of huge crowds.
Not sure the hawks can say the same and it may get the better of them.

Did you see Ginnivans carry on against the Pies? The kid loves the big games and he’s got a few mates in that team that loved it too.

Yep pit was a non event last night. And while i hate blaming injuries losing TDK probably means year is done.

He is another midfielder and as we are so one paced in there he is faster then the opposition ruck so he tends to balance us up better. Pit is a trier decent if he gets he's hands to it in a ruck contest but after that we play one man short. 

Too often, the narrative surrounding Carlton focuses on individuals needing to lift.

The famous five always get a run: Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh, Charlie Curnow, Harry McKay and Jacob Weitering.

Then it’s Mitch McGovern, Adam Saad, Nic Newman, Adam Cerra, Jack Martin or Tom De Koning.

It’s fun, but it’s garbage.

The only way Carlton will return to serious contention is having players who are disciplined enough to stick to a system when the moment demands.

Because their turnover game is good enough to take them further if they do.

Amid all the drama at the MCG during Scott Pendlebury’s 400th match, it was an ongoing flaw in their system that cost the Blues again.

And we are not talking about McGovern’s wayward last kick for goal.

They failed to defend a defensive-50 stoppage when it mattered.

In the opening minutes of the final quarter, Adam Saad let Jamie Elliott loose to receive a Pendlebury handball and snap a goal from a defensive stoppage to make the margin a match-winning (albeit tight) 32 points.

The Blues went into the match having given up 10 goals more than any team from a defensive stoppage and ranked 18th for points from clearances in the previous four rounds, having given away 52 points.

It was the second time this season a defensive-50 stoppage had cost them against Collingwood. But they haven’t fixed it. And they are running out of time to do so.

Any word on Charlie's ankle?

for us to win this game we need to hit up  our forwards  and fwds need to apply pressure TACKLE this is were the game is won. If we go the usual blind long F......k.n bomb they will just spoil and counter attack with quick ball movement open hawks forward line easy goals. Do u think our coaches learned after dogs/port games how to prevent this from happening?

Aaron Hamill? We want answers.

Cottrell Fractured shoulder, season finished.

So likely Cotts and Cez out - Zac and Bot in.

Kennedy goes sub then I give up.

Bot?

Jack Carroll that's his nickname.

Fair enough.
I'd be considering Cowan, who was emergency last weekend. Carroll did OK, but his opponent was BOG.

Nic Newman's 100th game as a Blue. Hopefully we can rise to the occasion. We don't have a good record in milestone matches in recent years. Back in the day, we NEVER lost a milestone game.

There is going to be 50 Carlton legends forming a guard of honour before the match. Time for us to stand up.

Another game we ‘should’ comfortably win yet they seem to have leap frogged us which is a mystery in itself as we should be years ahead of this mob.

Interchange bench (+sub) to come from.....

[39] Alex Cincotta
[25] Jaxon Binns
[6] Zac Williams
[16] Jack Carroll
[37] Jordan Boyd
[44] Matthew Owies
[33] Lewis Young
[7] Matthew Kennedy

I'd have...
Cincotta, Williams, Owies, Kennedy with Boyd the sub.

emg Young, Carroll and Binns.

Given they have small forwards Moore, Ginnivan and Bruest I reckon Boyd might start, Kennedy for me as sub unless Williams doesnt play.

Yeah, i get that, but i think we need Kennedy as a 'tall' option.
Boyd hasn't done anything wrong, but Cowan comes straight into the side, and we also have Cincotta there as well, so the MC is telling us something IMO.

Im not a fan of Kennedy as sub and want him in the 22 every week but the coaching staff dont seem to agree and thats the reason I think he might get the job again especially give the Hawks are very quick.

Perhaps the thinking with Kennedy as sub is that he is the best utility player we have available ? Perhaps the club also wants him in the starting 22, but with our current situation, compromises need to be made.

For mine Williams is a better sub.

Think we have to play to our strengths not try and defend their's so much, we are relying on our bigger stronger mids and KP Forwards to win the day rather than trying to keep up or outpace the Hawks which is futile imho.
They ran Collingwood ragged and the Pies are quicker than we are so I wouldnt be going away from our usual gamestyle and we need to be physical early and show them who is boss.

Perhaps the thinking with Kennedy as sub is that he is the best utility player we have available ? Perhaps the club also wants him in the starting 22, but with our current situation, compromises need to be made.

I think that’s the key EB.  Trying to counter their strengths won’t get the job done.  Exploiting their weaknesses will.

If we manage to survive well into the finals race, injuries to keep players is always likely.
Therefore during the season we need to keep blooding/trying out at AFL level those players who are performing to a "reasonable" level in VFL games.   (IM humble O)
eg. a fortnight ago we could have played Harry Lemmy at CHF instead of backman/ruckman Young in that position.
Yes big Harry L. hasn't been knocking the door down with his performances, but appears to at least have some of the skill set.
Who knows how he will go at AFL until we give him a try.
Imagine how we would go in a final if we had both Charlie and Harry M. out injured? A bit late to then perhaps to give a replacement their first game.

On the same theme, this week could be time to give young Binns his first full game.
As others have pointed out, selections lately by CFC seem to go to the more experienced "name" players, often rushed back in, who are soon re-injured.

cheers Ab

I would have played Lemmey earlier and tried to do a Sam DeKoning and get him up to speed quickly and see what he has to offer.
This going back to Young, dropping Kemp  and vice a versa is getting us nowhere and its time to change that cycle, having a 200cm player who can potentially play both ends is a game changer and the kid himself is just meandering around in the twos playing cameo's and we need an intervention in our defensive end and we saw what happened when Geelong played S Dekoning and persisted with him.

Worth a shot, but time is running out for experimentation.

Rumours getting stronger Curnow won't play

Rumours getting stronger Curnow won't play

Shouldn't have played last week.
Probably the week before
....and the week before that??

We persist with playing people into the ground.
Why we are playing Acres i don't understand. Bloke is tough as nails, but surely a week off will do him the world of good.
Watch him this week and he will cop a big hit to his shoulder at some stage and stay down for longer than is normal.

Interchange bench (+sub) to come from.....

[39] Alex Cincotta
[25] Jaxon Binns
[6] Zac Williams
[16] Jack Carroll
[37] Jordan Boyd
[44] Matthew Owies
[33] Lewis Young
[7] Matthew Kennedy

I'd have...
Cincotta, Williams, Owies, Kennedy with Boyd the sub.

emg Young, Carroll and Binns.

Harry Lemmey....... come on down!

Not named as an emergency so it has to be Young if Charlie can’t play.

If that does happen, I’d prefer to see Young in defence and McGovern as a forward.

Agreed.
We would be in much better shape if all of those guys with niggles were coming back in now fully recovered.

MacG might be a late one as well I reckon

Curnow needs to play more team orientated now that he has lost the streak and behind on the Coleman. He is NO Kouta but with a bit of effort and actually have a series of 2nd efforts he could do Kouta's shoelaces up.

Jiath a late out and Cincotta our sub

Thought Cincotta would be a good match up for Newcombe who is under-rated IMO.

Weitering.  Stop trying to do it all yourself and start holding the backline in position.

I just cant get over how this bottom 4 team is fav to beat us when we are playing for a finals spot in a year we all hoped we could have a chance in winning it.

A loss today (which is what I'm expecting to be honest) is so disappointing for all the long suffering blue fans. We have been so bad for so long and i would love us to make a statement today to prove they are not in our class but i cant see it. 

He has no choice, we are being slaughtered up the ground, if he stays in D50 they'll get a hundred shots inside 50m.

nope.  He's leaving his man to chase someone who's already clear.  That's leaving a certain uncontested mark to put pressure on a contest he had a stuff all chance of winning because he doesn't trust his teamates.  He's the reason we can't use any of the other talls.  Too busy finger pointing rather than leading.

Nah, you are focussing on effect and not the cause, the effect you are seeing is a D50 that can't stop 100% of entries, it's unrealistic to expect it.

The cause is when blokes give the hot potato or grub a 15m kick to someone surrounded by 2 or 3 opponents and then don't chase when it is inevitably turned over, that's game over.

The cause happens repeatedly, and the D50 can't stop them all, there are just too many repeats of the same old same old.

You can thank the AFL for the hot potato.  Since that rule interpretation mid year we have lost our one wood.