13:05 start. I'll be there. Hope we're better than we have been.
Carlton defence started well. Lack of awareness is staggering.
Hawks fwds open everywhere 😬
Simply embarrassing
How many goals, week after week, scored against us 10 meters out from opposition goal
Martin smarts 👏🏼
Christ we are dumb
The drop-off since that first quarter against GWS about 6 weeks ago is just staggering. We're a different team, but not for the better.
So much sharper than us
The Hawthorn commentary on Foxtel is going to drive me mad.
H started well
The very opposite of when we switched on 2023 q2 v GC
2 players have been patched up already. Fragile.
Defence a shambles again. So disorganised
if you're interested, Marc Murphy and Daniel Harford are part of the ABC radio commentary team.
Our defence has Weitering, McGovern, Newman, Saad......and still a shambles.
Zero pressure by our fwds.
The effort by Gov on Chol was embarrassing.
It's aggressiion, organisation and hard running vs meek and slow ball movement and no communication
How about this off-season we find defenders who you know, can do that thing called defending. One on one.
We looked panicked
Lij showing up some of his seniors. Smart football
Some concern about Jack Martin on the bench. Sigh.........
Yes Troy Hudson, we "cut the margin" to a point. What a tool.
Some concerns about Jordan Boyd as well.
Ollie shows up senior defenders 😳
Cincotta comes on
Complacency creeping in. Again.
Attitude adjustment and teamwork focus required. Or. We know how that one ends.
Wow what a shock that it. we will never bloody learn will we.
Very slapdash start, need to tighten up. Martin in the rooms, Cincotta warming up.
Martin done his hamstring
Really hate to be so negative but this stuff is a joke. Martin will probably be out for the year now. He's bloody Mr. Glass from Unbreakble
Clean out ya locker champ.
Career over Jack Martin
We are better but just make it so hard for ourselves
Martin subbed, Im shocked.
Complacency + NO communication.
Curnow keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper.
We need to wake the feck up!
Can the coaches tell charlie he can actually jump off the ground and not just want the ball to spill over the pack every fking time.
We got no confidence at all
End to end with zero pressure
2 off injured
Game done. No bench
I think we're cooked already
Meanwhile Weiters going for ootf record
Becoming embarrassing
Not a single feature of our game that says we're competitive. Let alone finals bound.
Pls don't let injures be the excuse. We were never going to win this.
Been embarrassing for weeks. Slippery slope and all..
I agree. We've lost the ability to win. EOS
Simple Jack Riewoldt thinks he's bloody Norman Mailer.
we are playing like a bottom 4 side.
Problem was he didn't play on instinct ( have a shot from 50) and looked for the unselfish option .....and got caught.
Season over, time for small rebuild. Need a squad of 30 dependables, not half a dozen banged up stars propping up a bunch of journeymen, tryhards, list cloggerscand passengers.
It's like watching a comedy unfold. That's been about 6 weeks in the making. Same sh%5 different year.
My question remains.... how likely are we to miss finals?
3 players out. 5+ goals down against 10th. A team of youngsters, no less.
We're a pathetic laughing stock. Don't bother calling Dons soft.
While we're at it, can we piss off the bloody media department at our club?!
Now there's a part of the club that talks a big game and delivers F ALL.
Here come the crap even up frees 120m from goal, it'll all be even at 1/2-time.
Q2
3pts v 5 goals 4
How is that even possible?
Hawks need percentage. This will be a slaughter
Disagree.
We were making it hard for ourselves but we were better in first. We have two outs now that is disastrous.
Second quarter was it was like the structure fell apart completely - hopefully they regroup and come good.
Need something to change / don’t rate the hawks tbh. We should be smashing them.
3 screwin years ago we sacked a coach because he couldn't get us into the 8. Since then, we have missed the 8, made a PF but had to turn around a disaster in the process, and barely hanging in the 8 now. Players need to be accountable too as again the want isn't there. They seem happy just to be playing. Not to mention the fitness blokes only skill is to rip hammys and calves multiple times.
Last 5 of the 6 years there had been promise 5 games out of to capitulate badly.
They are, just constant injury after injury during a season catch up. We are never fit Then the old issue comes up too, when a season is on the line the players just never want it badly enough.
Dawks brought speed and extreme physicality. We haven't handled either well.
I love Martin but that’s it for him. Goodbye.
Cannot continue to have a list of players that continually break down. It’s killing us.
Yep, too many blokes happy to take a cheque and just not committed enough.
Serious question to players....did/are you doing everything to ensure peak performance in season? Because there's too many STIs just to chance. Too many.
That reeks of not being committed
The blue face came out that quarter.
Not sure what that plan is, but it effectively seems to mean don't kick goals and let the opposition score.
Fogarty was actually taken out by Martin before he himself broke down. Thanks Martin.
Boyd was already hobbling after about a quarter. Persisted and that was that.
Now weitering he is our number one issue right now. His positioning has been woeful. Partly because he's trying to do too much and not guiding his mates. Our defense is not working together and hawthorn are playing high pressure footy. It's a recipe for disaster.
If the structure falls apart by losing martin who a sheet of glass is less likely to break then his body and fiogerty a small defensive forward against a team outside the 8 we are not a finals team let alone a real contender.
Im over the excuses
Agree. Should have been delisted with marchbank and cunningham 2 years ago and we are still persisting.
Yep same. I have no idea what the club is thinking, but I'm of the view that we have done the right thing by Cuningham, Martin and Marchbank over several seasons, and it's time to move them on.
...and Williams feeling his knee right on half time.
I wouldn't be so easily swayed by all this business about Hawthorn being outside the top 8. They are pretty much the form team of the competition. What Mitchell or his development team have done with a team of no names is pretty impressive IMO. At this point the decision to move on Clarkson looks like an inspired one.
It's pretty crook when we struggle to find a positive but I do want to give Owies a mention
There was a passage of play in the second when Owies chased and chased from contest to contest and put pressure on about 4 different players.
A couple of minutes later he did the same thing again with another couple of efforts...one of which should probably have been rewarded.
And can you believe we haven’t signed him on yet?!
Literally our best small forward.
We'll give away for a third rounder and get in a slow midfielder who can't kick with the pick.
Growing very tired and old of Saad chook running followed by a nothing kick straight to the opposition, just becoming too predictable, opposition basically let him go now knowing he won't reliably hit a target.
Aaaand we persist with playing half injured players and this is where it gets us
Charlie off. Sigh.....
Acres playing injured- shoulder.
Curnow should not have played.
Apparently Cincotta also limping.
Wonder why Russell is leaving
4th injury? Following 2 last week. Both who were uncompetitive since returning from serious injuries.
Injuries = Carlton
Just a complete and utter shambles.
Done stuff all - may be better as less predictable
Whoever out tackling coach is should be fired
If Freo have the remotest interest in Jack Martin, please take him off our hands. We can't keep carrying 5 or 6 blokes who are out injured more than they play.
Next week need to see the likes of Jack Carroll, Binns, Ashton Moir, Lemmey.....
Fun fact
31 i50's for 31 points 😅
I think we saw this coming 🙄
I volunteer to drive Martin to the airport.
Charlie definitely out for the game.
4 players short. What a disaster
What an awesome MC we have, keep picking half fit players. Dumber than dog crap.
Binns and Billy Wilson next week. Inject some bloody pace and spark.
Harry keeps slipping over ::)
What a gleeful pack of flogs these fox commentators are.
The airport. I think you mean the tip.
Season definitely over. Such a disappointment again. Just when we dared hope that fortunes may have changed. Oh to be a Bluebagger
We are a completely demoralised team.
This is like 2002 all over again.
If Cripps wants out, I'd let him go. He deserves better than us.
They barely care. Voss will be joining Russell the way things are going. Under pressure he is lost. We will now likely miss the 8 2 years out of 3, the very reason we sacked Teague. Then, with his MC, continues to select, unfit, out of form players that Russell has physically destroyed.
How many of his mates have slipped over today ?
I don’t have enough fingers and toes…
This is more disappointing as it promised so much. 6 weeks ago 2nd and looking a real shot. Now this.
Huh. I tipped Hawks + 16. Not + 60.
The media and fans are going to have a field day with this pathetic performance. Rightly so.
Gee I hope Crippa has more heart, determination and will to win succeed than you!!! Not the short of guy you'd go to war with!
It's as big a turn around as one could imagine. It seems we've become king of turnarounds. The thing we most need is reliability and consistency. We've shown neither this year. To be honest, aside from clearing out the perennially injured, I don’t see anything changing.
More chance of a flag with WC
Jim, I’d go as far as calling it heartbreaking. We can’t even do the basics atm
Always worse when there is hope
Saad off
Just like the worst of the modern era 😞
What's our injury count now? 20?
We'll be lucky to field a team.
screw you Russell! Just screw off now!
A very bleak day in the history of our club.
Season over
Thankfully there's some quality Olympics highlights 👌
We are at Raygun level....a joke
We are broken beyond repair. Can't see us getting over WC and unfortunately the following week the Aints will knock us off, AGAIN
First round draft pick is going to have real value this year.
This rot started weeks and weeks ago, we've allowed crap disposals to colour our judgement about what was essentially a strong line up, we focussed on our inability to close down run after turnovers when the root cause was poor disposal gifting opponents field position and easy goals, and we saw it again today.
We are almost standalone clear winners in the AFL in terms of poor disposal, stats mask the problem, because we get the 1st or 2nd with some certainty then turn it over on the 3rd or 4th with the ankle height kick or the handball behind the runner. Which still shows up post game as 60% or 70% efficiency, it's a smokescreen stat that only morons could possibly believe is good. Opposition club's just zone off and wait for us to give them the pill and more often than not we will.
Then we bemoan the inability to chase down, so we deconstructed our strengths trying to fix a weakness, but this weakness was mostly a symptom not a cause. No matter how much run we have, if you cannot string chains of disposals more than once or twice a game you will be royally screwed, and we are. We have blokes missing 15m targets with largely uncontested disposals. Then after that inevitable turnover our lack of pace kicks in, but the duds in our football department focus on the lack of run and chase rather than fixing the dodgy disposal.
Then today, after all the fixes, we end up with Cripps rucking on the wing and Harry solo lead up forward marking on the wing. Two of our main A-Grade KPPs b0rked and on the side-lines from being run into the ground.