Poll
Question:
Who is in our best 22?
Option 1: 1 - Jack Silvagni ** ineligible, out for year**
votes: 0
Option 2: 2 - Lachie Cowan
votes: 8
Option 3: 3 - Jesse Motlop
votes: 2
Option 4: 4 - Oliver Hollands
votes: 13
Option 5: 5 - Adam Cerra
votes: 9
Option 6: 6 - Zac Williams
votes: 12
Option 7: 7 - Matt Kennedy
votes: 12
Option 8: 8 - Lachie Fogarty
votes: 5
Option 9: 9 - Patrick Cripps
votes: 13
Option 10: 10 - Harry McKay
votes: 13
Option 11: 11 - Mitch McGovern
votes: 12
Option 12: 12 - Tom De Koning
votes: 13
Option 13: 13 - Blake Acres
votes: 13
Option 14: 14 - Orazio Fantasia
votes: 2
Option 15: 15 - Sam Docherty ** ineligible, out for year**
votes: 1
Option 16: 16 - Jack Carroll
votes: 2
Option 17: 17 - Brodie Kemp
votes: 12
Option 18: 18 - Sam Walsh
votes: 13
Option 19: 19 - Corey Durdin
votes: 0
Option 20: 20 - Elijah Hollands
votes: 13
Option 21: 21 - Jack Martin
votes: 3
Option 22: 22 - Caleb Marchbank
votes: 0
Option 23: 23 - Jacob Weitering
votes: 13
Option 24: 24 - Nick Newman
votes: 13
Option 25: 25 - Jaxon Binns
votes: 2
Option 26: 27 - Marc Pittonet
votes: 4
Option 27: 28 - David Cuningham
votes: 0
Option 28: 29 - George Hewett
votes: 13
Option 29: 30 - Charlie Curnow
votes: 13
Option 30: 31 - Harry Lemmey
votes: 0
Option 31: 32 - Matt Carroll
votes: 0
Option 32: 33 - Lewis Young
votes: 3
Option 33: 34 - Rob Monahan
votes: 0
Option 34: 35 - Billy Wilson
votes: 0
Option 35: 37 - Jordan Boyd
votes: 7
Option 36: 38 - Sam Durdin
votes: 0
Option 37: 39 - Alex Cincotta
votes: 13
Option 38: 40 - Hudson O'Keeffe
votes: 0
Option 39: 41 - Dom Akuei
votes: 0
Option 40: 42 - Adam Saad
votes: 12
Option 41: 43 - Ashton Moir
votes: 5
Option 42: 44 - Matt Owies
votes: 11
Option 43: 45 - Alex Mirkov
votes: 0
Option 44: 46 - Matt Cottrell
votes: 3
Option 45: *36 - Cooper Lord - MSD pickup
votes: 2
OK, well its time for our latest installment of this and this may be the most difficult one for the year.
Assume all players are fit unless mentioned otherwise above.
Plenty of kids showing some talent coming through of late, and plenty of players on the injury list who would probably walk back in. So who do you keep out?
Use this to help....
http://jimmae.epizy.com/teamboard.html?i=3
For comparisons sake later, here is my best 22.
FB - Boyd - Weitering - Newman
HB - Saad - Kemp - McGovern
C - Acres - Cripps - O. Hollands
HF - Owies - McKay - Kennedy
FF - Martin - Curnow - Williams
R - DeKoning - Walsh - Hewett
Int: Cerra - Cincotta - E. Hollands - Cowan
FWIW My Sub - Motlop
Unlucky....
Cottrell - Fogarty - Moir
I just picked my team for the EF, assuming that Charlie, Harry, Tom, Zac are fit but Cerra isn't. It is:
FB - Kemp - Weitering - Newman
HB - Saad - Young - McGovern
C - Acres - Cripps - O. Hollands
HF - Williams - McKay - De Koning
FF - Owies - Curnow - E. Hollands
R - Pittonet - Walsh - Hewett
Int: Cincotta - Lord - Cowan - Kennedy - Binns
For your exercise, Binns comes out and Cerra replaces Lord. Ollie Hollands' good form gets him the nod over Cottrell and I can't fit Fogarty in.
Pretty close Kruds.
FB - Boyd - Weitering - Newman
HB - Saad - Kemp - McGovern
C - Acres - Cripps - O. Hollands
HF - Owies - McKay - Kennedy
FF -Fogarty - Curnow - Williams
R - DeKoning - Walsh - Hewett
Int: Cerra - Cincotta - E. Hollands - Cowan
Sub : Moir
I'd have Martin out (Unreliable fitness wise- and that has to be a huge factor) and Fogarty in..because he is reliable and applies forward defensive pressure
I want a fit Cottrell in the side...but I can't find a place for him
Moir has two games but he's already proved to be a great sub who can impact and give a spark.
Motlop really needs to unlock a bit of that potential I think he may possess next season, because he's just not doing enough at the moment.
FB - Boyd - Young - Newman
HB - Saad - Weitering - McGovern
C - Acres - Cripps - O. Hollands
HF - Owies - McKay - Fogarty
FF - Fantasia - Curnow - Williams
R - DeKoning - Walsh - Hewett
Int: Kemp - Cincotta - E. Hollands - Kennedy
There is a lot more uncertainty now than there was the previous couple iterations of this list.
Staggered Cottrell hasn't got at least one vote.
I tried hard to squeeze him in.
He had a bit of a lacklustre return from injury and that may have pushed him to the back of folks minds.
At his best though he'd be ahead of some of the players picking up 1 and 2 votes.
Yep. He was 24th on my list.
In the last version of this, he was in 90% of peoples teams. (9 of 10)
Seems his sub-par return has dropped a few spots in peoples minds.
obviously the newer kids have made an impression too.
Lord, Moir and Binns have 5 votes between them thus far.
They all had 0 last time.
Cotters would be an automatic selection … on his early season form. He really dropped back into the pack on his return from injury. The other side of the coin is the late season burst put on by Ollie Hollands and the emergence of “Good” Lord, Binns and Moir.
Thinking about it....
He should probably be added to the 'end of season' list
Doc is more chance of playing again this year.
I don't want this discussion to continue in here, but i just wanted to point something out. Since it is so clearly demonstrated here.
I've been arguing all year about team balance, only needing 1 ruck and suggesting pressure is better value to the team.
People always argue that adding a ruck doesn't deminish the ability to provide pressure.
The above team shows exactly that. Playing Pittonet shows that De Koning is literally taking the spot Fogarty in this team.
As Lods said...
Couldn't have scripted that any better.
There is reason to the madness.
Its to keep an even playing field when it comes to analysis.
If we lose a player early on, i just wipe them from all the votes to keep it simple.
If we lose a player mid-year for the rest of the year, then it becomes too messy with the analysis and determining overall trends on best 22.
I went by this year's form.
Early on there was talk about AA form.
That certainly evaporated after the injury though....didn't help we rushed him straight back into the team.
Actually, De Koning has taken Fantasia’s spot and Williams has Fogarty’s place.
I opted for Williams over Fogarty because the former is more versatile, is a better mark, kicks goals and offers similar defensive pressure.
You apply pressure to the opposition by stretching their defence, running their first ruck into the ground and exploiting their second stringer.
You do you.
Just saying Fogarty gets named most on a HF flank and you have De Koning on a HF flank.
You can justify it however you want, but you don't need to.
It wasn't a shot at you or your team.
Just perfectly summarised hours of arguments into 1 post.
I only had De Koning in my final side...
Just to play Devil's advocate though.
If we play both rucks we lose Fogarty's pressure....but both Pittonet and DeKoning can apply pressure at the contest.
So pressure is not lost altogether.
It's lost in one area, but bolstered in another.
What one player brings as a strength has to be seen in terms of what you lose by playing them.
The cost of a decision isn't a case of losing everything in an area
You lose some, you gain some.
That's the key to team balance.
Working out the optimal combinations... and we all see that differently (as we've seen over the season), and the gap isn't a wide one...it's a marginal choice in many cases across the field.
And can change from game to game depending on current circumstances.
It would be interesting to see our pre-season teams up against our current sides.
We don't need pressure at the contest though. We have that in spades by our bulls. We need pressure (and speed) around the ground.
Other teams run away from us, run by us, run around us. Look at what Hawks did. We were traffic cones. Yes, we were injured, but that leads to less pressure....and it was clear of the effect of that on a large scale.
Its harder to see on a smaller scale (when we are fit, but lack the right balance) but the result is still the same.
Defensive 50 pressure is huge.
We beat the eagles because of it. With so many smalls, they didn't get a chance to breathe down back.
When we have Charlie, Harry and someone else (Silvagni, TDK, Kennedy) who are slower and cannot provide the same kind of speed and pressure, it hurts us. It hurts us more than losing an extra 5% of ruck contests might hurt us.
As i said, i didn't want to have this debate here.
Just wanted to highlight that the 2nd ruck literally took 'Mr. Pressure' out of our side....which is what i've said all along.
Yep
If we want to continue it we'll move it over to the ruck thread.
Just copy and paste to reply.
We have enough to discuss with the" who is in, who is out of the 22"
B: McGovern Weitering Cowan
HB: Saad Young Newman
C: Acres Cripps Binns
HF: E. Hollands McKay Cincotta
F: Owies Curnow Williams
R: de Koning Hewett Walsh
I: Boyd O. Hollands Kemp Kennedy
S: Cerra
You didn't follow the rules by including Docherty.
But things have changed. The prognosis of Docherty being out for the year has changed. The news is, he will play on Saturday. Others have also voted Fogarty and Cottrell. They've also been ruled out for the rest of the year.
Boyd instead of Docherty, if that's the case.
Its not about picking the side thats playing this week.
Its about picking a side based on the players that are deemed eligible.
Its all in the first post.
Reason being, i want to get some consistency throughout the course of the year by choosing from the same set of players. If we only choose who is fit at the time, that doesn't tell us which players are best, but rather the best of whats available.
To keep things consistent, Docherty has been out all year, so will not be in any other teams. So for consistency, keep him out of this selection as well.