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Cripps is supposed to be the favourite, but that is usually the kiss if death.

Champion Data has applied one of their whizzo algorithms and has Cripps as the clear winner. One can only hope.

There was a top 4 vote getting article.

Cripps had less 3-vote guaranteed games than the rest of the top 4 (Daicos, Bont and Neale)
But....
he had a lot more games where he 'might' get votes.
So he could get plenty of 2 and 1 vote games. Of course, some of them will be 3-vote games too.

Will be an interesteing count

Daicos as a HB doesn't poll as well as people think, but he's spent more time on the ball this season so it might be all he needs to get across the line.

I think the Filth fans get a bit confused between Nick and Josh when they can't see the squiggly lines on the players back!

Both Daicos and Neale a long way back at the moment which all helps....as does ineligibility for Heeney.

ANOTHER bonus 2 votes to Cripps. On track for 40.

Lock it in. 2024 brownlow medalist - Patrick Cripps.

As long as he doesn't get screwed in our losses.

Just got another bonus vote. On track for 41!

He is 8 votes above where he was expected to be......and he was expected to win.

What about Daicos?

I’m nervous our losses will screw him!

Here come our losses

Tbh, the Umps have no idea. Some of the games votes are absurd.
Good win by paddy tho.

If he gets 1 more than Daicos in the next game he can't lose

45 votes! What a record! Pity the rest of the team was so ordinary. 45 of a possible 69!

Umpires are not idiots.
Crippa gets tagged more than any other player but still makes the ball his sole focus.
He [almost] never remonstrates or complains when the umps ping him for incorrect disposal or htb (umps would LOVE this).
He almost always finishes games strongly which means he would be fresh in their minds when they cast the votes afterwards.
There’s not a dirty bone in his body (I see there’s some idiots still going on about Ah Chee getting in his way).
He actually smiles on the field like he enjoys being out there. Just a likeable guy.

Nice win from the skipper and a worthy win given the mixed year we have had overall but he never lowered his standard or colours ever and as many have said through the season he carried his team on his back in many a game.
Nick Daicos is a great young player but I wouldnt put him in the humble department, more in the entitled its all about me department and Id rather see a player like Bontempelli win the medal if Cripps doesnt...

That really was an outstanding effort.
Congratulations to Crippa.

We probably shouldn't get too carried away though.
You're only as good as your last Brownlow :D

If there is one thing we could do better in future it is to get a few blokes rising to the challenge and standard he's set, and  taking a few votes off him. ;)

Our list management may have been rubbish but how good is it that we took a chance with the fat kid?

Great win Crippa - a true champion!

Didn't help that Nick was stealing Josh's votes.

Sigh. Just do a google search for “Brownlow Medal.” The whining and bitching has already started.

Sigh. Just do a google search for “Brownlow Medal.” The whining and bitching has already started.

The umpires gave him BOG in 12 games.
Here at CSC we voted him our best player in 11 games.

Many of our losses after the bye were close, tightly fought affairs, so not surprising that Cripps would poll in those IMO.

Didn't help that Nick was stealing Josh's votes.

If this was Nick Daicos with the same number of votes would we have had the same carry on?

Here ends the lesson.

All the other brownlow fancies are well looked after by the umps.  Usually cripps gets penalised in similar circumstances and just gets on with it.

If commentators jumble them up, then umpires certainly will.

Lets not let facts get in the way of good stories by the naysayers.

Others can't handle the fact that this unique footballer is ours. For the rest of his career too.
As for the Hosking twins and the Daicos brothers, there is obviously a noticeable difference between them. The Hosking sisters are identical. There is a 2 inch difference in height between the Daicos pair. And three umpires as well. Maybe one umpire gets overruled by two blind umpires sometimes?

Oh my god, the negativity. Most of us saw with our own eyes that he almost ALWAYS single-handedly influenced games that were in the balance (and dominated games that were not).

He was the favourite  what's the problem?

Patrick Cripps is the Fairest AND the Best for 2024
END STORY

True. The other thing to consider is that he has been uninjured ALL year and played every game. Previous years he was banged up at times. His body was in tip top shape all year meaning maximum games played meaning maximum votes possible obtained.

Cripps isn't the same contested mark that Kouta was, it's a big part of the KPP role.

Crippa doesn’t have the athleticism that enabled Kouta to excel wherever he was played.

An occasional spell as a forward keeps the opposition on their toes and often leads to a bonus goal or two.  That should be the extent of Crippa’s multi-tasking.

Crippa doesn’t have the athleticism that enabled Kouta to excel wherever he was played.

An occasional spell as a forward keeps the opposition on their toes and often leads to a bonus goal or two.  That should be the extent of Crippa’s multi-tasking.

I'm going to open a can of worms here by suggesting that Kouta, as good as his was, is not in the same league as Cripps.  Kouta had the benefit of playing in a very strong team in his first 6-7 years as he learned the craft, while Cripps has had this team on his shoulders since 2016. 

If (and it's a very hopeful if) Cripps ever gets to hoist the premiership cup aloft, he may well assume the mantle of this club's greatest ever player and captain (and I've pretty much seen them all since the late '60s...).

I reckon the clear element that separates elite players from those that are just great is vision - and I'm not just talking about the ability to see. It's also the ability to not only spot where things are on the ground at any given time, but predict where they are likely to end up as the play unfolds.

That's why Diesel hit blokes with 30m handpasses from the middle of a pack, and Nick Daicos and Cripps can deliver blind handballs knowing it is going to a teammate in a better position.  And the other mere mortals on the ground (including the umpires) say 'how did he do that?'

If you could find some U18 vision of him, its pretty clear, to me anyway, that Cripps was different.

I've made a few big predictions over the past couple decades on these boards (or previous incarnations of them that are lost to time).

First one, may have even been pre-my time on here. - In about '95-'96, "Kouta will one day win a brownlow." - He got robbed by Woewodin
Second one, Cripps will one day win a brownlow...after he started showcasing what i saw from his U18's highlight package soon after Judd - He obviously pulled that off, twice.

I've also hitched my wagon to a few kids over the journey based on U18's viewings and where our first pick was at the time and what i thought we needed (Not in order.)
1. Bryce Gibbs - A given, you might say, but plenty of #1's haven't worked out quite as well. He had time and smarts that exceeded his peers.
2. Chris Yarran - Freakish athlete. He had time and smarts that exceeded his peers.
3. Nathan Djerrkura - Not many may remember him. played for the cats and dogs. He was a bit undersized, but was hard at the contest and was good defensively and but still exhibited the talents of an indigenous player. Was a speculative late pick.
4. Patrick Cripps - Again, he had time and vision that exceeded his peers. It was obvious to see.

We, obviously, chose 3 out of those 4 and seemed to live up to my and most people expectations.

Despite what the bombers saw in the fat kid, i always thought it was pretty obvious that he had talent, smarts and vision. Whats harder to see from those same viewings is his passion, desire and dedication. Thats where he sets himself apart from the 3 other listed players (to varying degrees) and makes him the player he is today.

Agree, if it MUST be a first round pick, make it next years. If we expect to play finals, back yourself in. Next years pick will be in the 'teens' if we make finals. Much better keeping this years pick instead.

Personally i'd rather Trade Cripps to Freo and get Cerra and a 1st rounder back.

Didn't you want to trade him. :D
I think I was OK with it at the time too :-[

Everyone is tradeable at the right price. Doesn't mean they can't play.

That's why I think I agreed with you at the time.
But I also suspect his price has increased from Cerra and a 1st rounder ;)

Going through the old footage you can see Cripps has put in a LOT of work - his kicking was not great as a kid.

I think Cerras current price is the issue there.

We traded pick 6 and a future 3rd for Cerra.

Package that up with another 1st rounder and thats about the biggest deal thats ever been done.....which is about right for Cripps

West Coast have pick 3.
If they can trade for pick 20
...then 3, 20 and Reid would probably get it done :D

 and we'll throw in the Kennedy this time. ;)

Is Harf still bitter, not healthy hanging onto that stuff, better to unload it and move on, unless it's a hatred of CheatsFC?

‘Totally skewed the voting’: Was Cripps’ 2024 season the best Brownlow year this century?

That's the headline in an article in yesterday's Age: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/totally-skewed-the-voting-was-cripps-2024-season-the-best-brownlow-year-this-century-20241203-p5kvce.html

It goes over some old ground with Daniel Harford declaring, "There is no season in the history of football that is worthy of one player getting 45 votes. It’s a ridiculous outcome. Happy for him to win, no dramas, and I think he was the best player, but 45 votes, it has totally skewed the voting system at the moment."

The two votes for 19 touches against Essendon gets a mention but Nick Daicos getting a vote for a game where he was subbed out out after 15 touches is ignored.  In fact, there's no mention of Daicos also passing the previous record tally of 36 votes.  I think that the fact that two players passed the previous record undermines Harf's "skewed voting" comment.

Karl Langdon probably makes the most sense when he argues that you can't really compare Brownlows from different years because of rule changes, the quality of opposition players and other season specific factors.

Anyway, it's worth a read.

I read the article when it came out and confess almost yawning. Slow news days tend to yield ho-hum articles like this. For moi, Crippa polled so many votes because he had a bloody good season plus no other midfielders (injuries/form etc.) taking votes from him.

Top 10
1.Patrick Cripps (Carlton) - Midfielder
2. Nick Daicos (Collingwood) - Midfielder
3. Zak Butters (Port Adelaide) - Midfielder
=4. Caleb Serong (Fremantle) - Midfielder
=4. Isaac Heeney (Sydney) - Forward/Midfielder
6. Tom Green (GWS) - Midfielder
7. Adam Treloar (Western Bulldogs) - Midfielder
=8. Errol Gulden (Sydney) - Midfielder
=8. Matt Rowell (Gold Coast) - Midfielder
10. Jai Newcombe (Hawthorn) - Forward/Midfielder

I read the article when it came out and confess almost yawning. Slow news days tend to yield ho-hum articles like this. For moi, Crippa polled so many votes because he had a bloody good season plus no other midfielders (injuries/form etc.) taking votes from him.

Quote from: Baggers – on December 23, 2024, 08:00:16 am

I read the article when it came out and confess almost yawning. Slow news days tend to yield ho-hum articles like this. For moi, Crippa polled so many votes because he had a bloody good season plus no other midfielders (injuries/form etc.) taking votes from him.

Yep
Which highlights a couple of issues....

Firstly the Brownlow is a bit of a joke.
It's a midfielders award...with a couple of half forward/back cameos.
It's the guys under the umpires eyes who get the votes.

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Top 10
1.Patrick Cripps (Carlton) - Midfielder
2. Nick Daicos (Collingwood) - Midfielder
3. Zak Butters (Port Adelaide) - Midfielder
=4. Caleb Serong (Fremantle) - Midfielder
=4. Isaac Heeney (Sydney) - Forward/Midfielder
6. Tom Green (GWS) - Midfielder
7. Adam Treloar (Western Bulldogs) - Midfielder
=8. Errol Gulden (Sydney) - Midfielder
=8. Matt Rowell (Gold Coast) - Midfielder
10. Jai Newcombe (Hawthorn) - Forward/Midfielder

Would we rather have the Brownlow medallist or a flag?
The obvious answer is both...but I think even Cripps himself would rather the flag.

The fact is that he was the dominant force in our midfield.
Other midfielders contributed, but most were injured, or down on the form of previous years, for large parts of the season.
Cripps was streets ahead.
No-one was taking votes off him.
Now if players like Cerra, Walsh and Hewett (who was actually pretty reliable) can have improved seasons and some of the young players come on, then Patrick doesn't win the Brownlow....he may win something better. ;)

So essentially 'all awards' are 'midfielders' awards. ::)

I guess the point is this.
Was Cripps the best player this year?
There's a good  case to say he was.

Was it the best season ever by a player?
I don't even think it was the best season ever by a Carlton player.

I liked this by Daniel Horne at the rime.   Game plans are set around the superstars so they shine and there is less talent and more role players on each list

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/24/how-afl-trends-led-to-insane-brownlow-results-and-why-champion-data-analyst

“When I saw Patrick Cripps had 45 votes and Nick Daicos had 38, it took me a little bit by surprise … but the game has changed significantly over the last seven, eight or nine years,” Hoyne told SEN Sportsday.

“Teams only need or only have four to five superstars that are going to win you a Prelim or that are going to win you a Grand Final that you're setting the game up for.

“10, 15 or 20 years ago, there was more of an even spread of talent across the ground.

“I think we can all agree that the lack of depth across the competition is pretty noticeable at the moment.

“I remember 15 years ago going, ‘How is that guy not getting a game’, but you rarely see that now.”

Simply put, Hoyne thinks that coaches are setting their game plans up to help their superstars shine, with role players working to get the big guns into positions to produce game-breaking moments.

Yes I remember hearing that, spot on. If I recall correctly, he also stated that your success or failure lies with the bottom 6 of your best 22. That is, if you have the best bottom 6 (role players) in the comp, you get success.

I think the biggest thing that holds teams back is a lack of innovation and original tactics, too many AFL coaches are copycats merely trying to reimplement or reproduce the success of some other!