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Title: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 20, 2025, 12:35:30 pm
I cant believe the outrage over banter between Tony and the Serbian/Djokovic fans. I heard a grab of what Jones said, he jokingly called the Joker a "hasbeen" and "overrated" whilst playing with the crowd. The Serbian community has now made a racism complaint to the Australian Human Rights Commission with comments labelled racist and offensive. Is this being serious? A bit rich coming from a mob who would happily do harm to a Croatian simply because they are Coratian.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on January 20, 2025, 01:09:56 pm
Yes, there are plenty of folk who can’t take a joke or get offended at the drop of a hat and tennis seems to have more than its fair share of entitled twats and their sycophantic supporters.
Then there’s the ultranationalist ideologies that have persisted in Australia generations after the originators were given sanctuary 🙄
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on January 20, 2025, 01:16:37 pm
And while we’re on the tennis, what about Ayan Broomfield who said she felt out of place at the AO because there weren’t enough people of colour in the audience?
Another entitled twat!
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 20, 2025, 01:21:57 pm
And while we’re on the tennis, what about Ayan Broomfield who said she felt out of place at the AO because there weren’t enough people of colour in the audience?
Another entitled twat!
I heard and expression on the weekend, "twunt" which is a combination of twat and, well you can guess. I like this expression, it is very appropriate these days.
RE the Djokovic v TJ spat. TO BE CLEAR, I am assuming TJ said nothing more than calling him (jokingly) a hasbeen and overrated. If there was something untoward said by him then I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on January 20, 2025, 01:58:36 pm
He said " kick him out"
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: tonyo on January 20, 2025, 02:13:30 pm
To be completely honest, TJ should stick to sports reporting when he's on the news - he regularly lapses into his Footy Show persona which is aimed at a different audience who probably have thicker skin. To make matters worse, his off-the-cuff one-liners are not all that funny and regularly get quite close to the edge.
Ironically, I'm in the middle of watching a comedy show on ABC i-View called 'Douglas is Cancelled' about a distinguished news reader who makes a sexist comment off air, and then it all goes pear-shaped. Someone should make TJ sit down and watch this......
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on January 20, 2025, 02:15:16 pm
My take is that Jones just reverted to the jokey, boys’ club humour that he employs on the Footy Show.
It probably doesn’t translate well for tennis fans, and particularly those who follow their national heroes.
He shouldn’t have said what he did, he has explained and apologised and, for most folk, that should be the end of it.
Maybe Novax should challenge Jones to stand at the net and take a few returns 🤔
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: kruddler on January 20, 2025, 03:19:44 pm
Serbians are not really known for their sense of humour. Perhaps a case of 'know your audience?'
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 20, 2025, 04:41:12 pm
He says he stills suffers trauma from being essentially arrested and put in a detention hotel. The fans give it and should take it but Novak didn't deserve it.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Lods on January 20, 2025, 05:34:50 pm
We look at it, and see TJ being TJ, and maybe think what a dick.
But we understand the guy and accept there’s no real malice, in it and it’s just a bit of a gee-up and crowd interaction.
I suspect most in the Serbian fan crowd outside the studio would see it as such.
Those elsewhere in the world, especially Serbia and with Novak himself, with no context of Tony’s sometimes off-beat antics and humour, could/would be offended.
TJ has issued a public apology. He did say if there was one thing he would do if he had his time over, would be not to use the term ‘kick him out’ as there is obviously some issue with Novak’s treatment during Covid.
It was meant as a bit of banter. As TJ sometimes (often) does, he just went a bit too far.
It’s another addition to his already large blooper wheel.
Public apology issued, it probably requires a one-on-one… and for that to be accepted, and we move on.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: rocky on January 20, 2025, 07:00:26 pm
How this became an international thing is beyond me. Seriously. Wasn't really funny from what I saw on the news but Christ, talk about over the top. Djokovic is a tool. Never liked him and never will. Ironic that he was referred to as the "Joker" and yet can't take a joke as bad as it was anyway. Serbians I don't care for anyway so if it upsets them, well good.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: shawny on January 20, 2025, 07:50:41 pm
He says he stills suffers trauma from being essentially arrested and put in a detention hotel. The fans give it and should take it but Novak didn't deserve it.
Agree. TJ was pro vax and went toe to toe with Sam Newman during the Pandemic on the subject of Novak being kicked out of the country for not being vaccinated.
So there was more to his comments then just trying to be funny and it was not random he picked Novak with those comments.
Like him or not Novak is in the top 2 of all time and to carry on like he did working for the tournament broadcaster was as unprofessional and childish as you get and reckon Ch9 would share those thoughts.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 20, 2025, 09:49:05 pm
Wow! This must clearly be a TJ hate thing. If it were Dave Hughes or some else mucking around with the crowd it would be a different story
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: dodge on January 20, 2025, 10:54:23 pm
While the outrage is OTT, I get Djokovic on this. If it was Dave Hughes that said it, it wouldn't mean much and Djok wouldn't care, but it wasn't. It was a senior journalist/reporter of the host broadcaster who should be more circumspect. Yes, in jest, but Jones should know better.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on January 21, 2025, 01:25:40 am
I'm not sure wgats happened but did I hear correctly that Tony Jones referred to the Serbian fans as Croatian?
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on January 21, 2025, 07:40:55 am
From what I can tell from limited resources, a typical Aussie joke made in response to crowd heckling during a live cross, referring to Djoker as a has-been spud, has been blown out of proportion and now has all sorts of fanciful allegations attached to it.
It looks to me like Djoker's fans wanted a fight, picked the live cross to disrupt, Tony Jones took the bait, and now he is the victim of a drive-by hijacking for some sort of political purpose.
If Tony Jones is guilty of anything it's naivety, he seems to have missed the point that it's not just footballers that are idolised and that public forums can be used for more than they are intended.
However, Djoker ever the opportunist took the chance to build another layer of mis-direction and subterfuge for his own benefit, and that made the situation much worse.
When I look at the behaviour of Collins and Djoker, it seems to me these tennis players are getting a bit ahead of themselves. This is the new modern era, they are all become little copycat mini-Trumps and mini-Musks, it's going to be so destructive.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on January 21, 2025, 08:26:28 am
The Aussie crowds have become a disgrace. A bunch of drunken bogans that have zero interest in the sport.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 21, 2025, 08:38:34 am
The Aussie crowds have become a disgrace. A bunch of drunken bogans that have zero interest in the sport.
I went to the AO for the first time ever last night. Tennis Australia have created a monster with the bar outlets absolutely everywhere. We sat out in the lawn areas and people were definitely getting on the gas. The raucous behaviour during games has been evident but having said that, as LP has said, Djokovic and Serbian fans has grossly overreacted/exaggerated this. They are just looking for "payback" for when Djokovic refused to follow rules the of our land during the pandemic.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on January 21, 2025, 09:17:14 am
The Aussie crowds have become a disgrace. A bunch of drunken bogans that have zero interest in the sport.
I went to the AO for the first time ever last night. Tennis Australia have created a monster with the bar outlets absolutely everywhere. We sat out in the lawn areas and people were definitely getting on the gas. The raucous behaviour during games has been evident but having said that, as LP has said, Djokovic and Serbian fans has grossly overreacted/exaggerated this. They are just looking for "payback" for when Djokovic refused to follow rules the of our land during the pandemic.
It depends if what I've been told was true about Tony referring to them as Croatian, then he's made a bit of a faux par and deserves a bit of criticism.
That and the whole act professionally without bias side of things. Djokovic is not new to criticism but his response to this has hit a different level than we normally see and he has taken it on gooooood humour before.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: ratlice on January 21, 2025, 10:27:25 am
Djokovic, might cop a serve from the crowd at his next game. He doesn't usually like it when the crowd is against him!
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 21, 2025, 10:46:34 am
I went to the AO for the first time ever last night. Tennis Australia have created a monster with the bar outlets absolutely everywhere. We sat out in the lawn areas and people were definitely getting on the gas. The raucous behaviour during games has been evident but having said that, as LP has said, Djokovic and Serbian fans has grossly overreacted/exaggerated this. They are just looking for "payback" for when Djokovic refused to follow rules the of our land during the pandemic.
It depends if what I've been told was true about Tony referring to them as Croatian, then he's made a bit of a faux par and deserves a bit of criticism.
That and the whole act professionally without bias side of things. Djokovic is not new to criticism but his response to this has hit a different level than we normally see and he has taken it on gooooood humour before.
From the footage I have seen, Jones responds to the chanting crowd (who believe couldnt hear him as he was behind glass) using the words hasbeen, overrated and kick him out. Nothing about Croatian can be heard. In any case, they have apologised and he has accepted. I hope the crowd bogan right up and farken give it to him.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Lods on January 21, 2025, 11:01:57 am
It depends if what I've been told was true about Tony referring to them as Croatian, then he's made a bit of a faux par and deserves a bit of criticism.
Didn't hear any reference to Croatians in anything I've seen.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on January 21, 2025, 11:06:34 am
He is the GOAT and you can never count him out. Ill lay London to a brick though that he faked that groin injury to psych out Alcaraz. Not 5 minutes before Courier was saying how he is always looking for an advantage whether it be jostling with the crowd, or an umpire to certain tactics against his opponent.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on January 22, 2025, 08:21:33 am
There's no way he faked that injury. He could barely move during periods and changed his playing style remarkably, and his injury time out came at the worst possible time.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: shawny on January 22, 2025, 09:25:14 am
There's no way he faked that injury. He could barely move during periods and changed his playing style remarkably, and his injury time out came at the worst possible time.
Not sure about that. I like him but he plays the injury card too often to not be part of his mind games with an opponent. Often when his opponent is on top he breaks their concentration by claiming he is badly injured and on way to retire.
He knew he had lost the first set so no better time to break the rhythm of the match - he has nothing to lose and everything to gain at that point. Then just like that he snaps out of his injury and is super focused on the next set which is exactly what happened again
He is the GOAT for a reason and mentally there is no one in the game as strong or smart as the Joker.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 22, 2025, 09:55:18 am
Not sure about that. I like him but he plays the injury card too often to not be part of his mind games with an opponent. Often when his opponent is on top he breaks their concentration by claiming he is badly injured and on way to retire.
He knew he had lost the first set so no better time to break the rhythm of the match - he has nothing to lose and everything to gain at that point. Then just like that he snaps out of his injury and is super focused on the next set which is exactly what happened again
He is the GOAT for a reason and mentally there is no one in the game as strong or smart as the Joker.
He is a formidable opponent for anyone, he is mentally stronger than anyone in the game by a very long way.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on January 22, 2025, 12:39:15 pm
He is the GOAT and you can never count him out. Ill lay London to a brick though that he faked that groin injury to psych out Alcaraz. Not 5 minutes before Courier was saying how he is always looking for an advantage whether it be jostling with the crowd, or an umpire to certain tactics against his opponent.
Like his abdominal pains in an earlier match.
The rules provide for medical timeouts and Djokovic knows how to game the rules to create an advantage. Same with the Jones furore; taking on the broadcaster encourages his supporters and gives him an edge. You don’t win so many tournaments without picking up a few tricks along the way.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 22, 2025, 01:52:48 pm
He is the GOAT and you can never count him out. Ill lay London to a brick though that he faked that groin injury to psych out Alcaraz. Not 5 minutes before Courier was saying how he is always looking for an advantage whether it be jostling with the crowd, or an umpire to certain tactics against his opponent.
Like his abdominal pains in an earlier match.
The rules provide for medical timeouts and Djokovic knows how to game the rules to create an advantage. Same with the Jones furore; taking on the broadcaster encourages his supporters and gives him an edge. You don’t win so many tournaments without picking up a few tricks along the way.
100% spot on
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on January 22, 2025, 08:35:02 pm
There's no way he faked that injury. He could barely move during periods and changed his playing style remarkably, and his injury time out came at the worst possible time.
Not sure about that. I like him but he plays the injury card too often to not be part of his mind games with an opponent. Often when his opponent is on top he breaks their concentration by claiming he is badly injured and on way to retire.
He knew he had lost the first set so no better time to break the rhythm of the match - he has nothing to lose and everything to gain at that point. Then just like that he snaps out of his injury and is super focused on the next set which is exactly what happened again
He is the GOAT for a reason and mentally there is no one in the game as strong or smart as the Joker.
he signalled for the trainer when it was 4-4 in the first set and on serve before he was broken. Sure it wasn't looking great but he came back out after being broken at 4-5 and alcaraz had an easy hold to win the set.
I watch a lot of tennis and I can see when a player is not quite themselves. He did this once before in 2023 when he was having hamstring issues. Don't be fooled by his ability to push through the pain threshold at times and a few scrambles when you are feeling ok. He was visibly impacted. Some injuries are a bit funny like that. Its certain movements that hurt more than others and you can compensate with other muscles in the same leg, particularly the hip flexur, quads and glutes and even calves, but he wasn't charging a lot down like he would have. Very few points he did it.
Alcaraz played pretty well, Novak just upped the aggression and tried to hit winners at every opportunity. Don't let a few long rallys later on pain killers change your mind.
Sure he plays the medi time out but this is the first time I've seen him do it where he wasn't rattled.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 22, 2025, 10:01:52 pm
Sinner currently making minced meat out of De Minaur.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 22, 2025, 10:52:59 pm
Philippoussis playing exhibition doubles with Hewitt v Baghdatis and Blake, what a magnificent service action. Rolling the arm casually at 185kmh. Poetry.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: shawny on January 22, 2025, 10:58:54 pm
Sinner currently making minced meat out of De Minaur.
Tennis has become a sport where unless youre 6 foot 2 and can serve consistently over 200 kms you cant win slams.
Demon gives his all and has talent to compete once a rally is under way but falls short on winning enough free points off his serve and lacks overall power against the top 10 players and those areas imo will prevent him from ever winning a slam.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 22, 2025, 11:07:55 pm
Sinner currently making minced meat out of De Minaur.
Tennis has become a sport where unless youre 6 foot 2 and can serve consistently over 200 kms you cant win slams.
Demon gives his all and has talent to compete once a rally is under way but falls short on winning enough free points off his serve and lacks overall power against the top 10 players and those areas imo will prevent him from ever winning a slam.
Agree, qtr finals is the best he'll ever do. Can serve hard 200 kmh + but just doesn't have that last little bit in his game. Imagine if Kyrgios had De Minaur's work ethic or De Minaur had Kyrgios's physical attributes and skill, we'd be talking about a multiple GS winner.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: shawny on January 22, 2025, 11:18:46 pm
Tennis has become a sport where unless youre 6 foot 2 and can serve consistently over 200 kms you cant win slams.
Demon gives his all and has talent to compete once a rally is under way but falls short on winning enough free points off his serve and lacks overall power against the top 10 players and those areas imo will prevent him from ever winning a slam.
Agree, qtr finals is the best he'll ever do. Can serve hard 200 kmh + but just doesn't have that last little bit in his game. Imagine if Kyrgios had De Minaur's work ethic or De Minaur had Kyrgios's physical attributes and skill, we'd be talking about a multiple GS winner.
yep 100%. Kyrgios could match it with anyone in the world talent wise but mentally was never even close to where he needed to be.
Sad waste of talent imo.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on January 23, 2025, 09:09:12 am
I thought Ben Shelton's post match interview was very enlightening.
Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on January 23, 2025, 09:39:30 am
Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
We'll I felt the protest and outrage was political because to me it felt disproportionate and so I thought it artificial, and now we know it was.
As such calling out disrespect is bogus, because even if not Djoker at least as a bare minimum it was his followers ,who helped create the situation, as such it was fake / synthetic. A false flag. I felt Djoker took advantage of the situation to politicise things, and that's exactly what it turned out to be.
What is more interesting to me is the observation, that even after being exposed as synthetic, some prefer to cling on to racist or discriminatory allegations. That's as bad as flat earth or antivax.
On the subject of tennis, it's sh1r now and will continue to be sh1t until the authorities stop the rorting of injury time as a tactic to kill opposition momentum. Djoker is not omnipotent, he can't walk on water, and yet he keeps having miracle wins after debilitating injuries. If what he is doing is within the rules, then the rules must change, or tennis will be further overtaken by such behaviour, it's already endemic. It's no accident that during the pandemic, when Djoker was without his travelling faithful who serve faithfully to disrupt his opponents, that we witnessed a lot of Djoker duress. The irony for me is that he doesn't need it, he's good enough without it.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 23, 2025, 10:34:50 am
I thought Ben Shelton's post match interview was very enlightening.
Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
Tennis players are a bit precious imo, the questions they get are tame compared to a lot of other sports imo, like how does a question about the local crowd supporting another player, there will be boos coming your way etc become offensive? Thats a stock standard question in the NBA everytime you play in someone elses gym.......
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: tonyo on January 23, 2025, 10:40:35 am
I thought Ben Shelton's post match interview was very enlightening.
Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
Tennis players are a bit precious imo, the questions they get are tame compared to a lot of other sports imo, like how does a question about the local crowd supporting another player, there will be boos coming your way etc become offensive? Thats a stock standard question in the NBA everytime you play in someone elses gym.......
Playing the Crows in Adelaide or Weagles in Perth not much different....
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on January 23, 2025, 02:03:50 pm
Tennis players are a bit precious imo, the questions they get are tame compared to a lot of other sports imo, like how does a question about the local crowd supporting another player, there will be boos coming your way etc become offensive? Thats a stock standard question in the NBA everytime you play in someone elses gym.......
A bit precious EB?
That’s a mighty understatement!
If you look back at how champions like Rafter, Goolagong, Rafa, Barty, Federer, Hingis, Aussie Kim and many others conducted themselves, the petulant, entitled, self-obsessed behaviour of many of today’s tennis players stands out like dog’s bollocks.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on January 23, 2025, 06:34:58 pm
I thought Ben Shelton's post match interview was very enlightening.
Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
Tennis players are a bit precious imo, the questions they get are tame compared to a lot of other sports imo, like how does a question about the local crowd supporting another player, there will be boos coming your way etc become offensive? Thats a stock standard question in the NBA everytime you play in someone elses gym.......
I dont think he said offensive he said disrespectful.
Was imploring the journalists to ask better questions than focus on monfils being old enough to be his dad or something to that effect.
Ultimately I think the sport has a plethora of issues.
Players don't wave on their way in or out.
When they're genuine people with flaws, they're labelled entitled brats.
The fans make as much noise as they wish and behave in a manner that doesn't fit the previous nature of the sport, so I can't see how you expect the players to do it when the fans can't. Particularly all the moving around between points.
There's the mens draw and the women's draw, and th he players are introduced on court as they/them pronouns rather than he/she. Which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on January 24, 2025, 04:09:42 pm
Novak retired hurt. Booed by the racists.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on January 24, 2025, 08:48:05 pm
nah he was faking it to get a medical time-out and win, except he forgot the bit about playing out the game.
He's very clever. Alcaraz and Sinner can over take him as goat. Zverev is 27 and would have to conquer all comers for 10 years to get close to his record.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on January 25, 2025, 06:12:22 am
Time stops for nobody.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on January 25, 2025, 07:16:48 am
Grand slams are brutal. Best of 5 sets x 7 over 14 days if you want to win it. Nick Kygrios has never been fit enough to do it, always has struggled in week 2. Novak's body at 37 no longer appears to be able to go the distance. He didn't win a grand slam last year either. Clay and grass is easier on the body so if he can pinch one of the next 2 I don't think he will get to 25.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Professer E on January 25, 2025, 07:53:59 am
There were clearly more than few punters peeved at forking out serious coin and receiving one set for that outlay. People get injured playing sport but this bloke is frequently injured and goes into games with injury.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: kruddler on January 25, 2025, 08:41:56 am
Nick Kygrios has never been fit enough to do it, always has struggled in week 2.
Fit enough? Mentally fiit enough.
Kygrios uses the tennis circuit as a worldwide holiday. He only needs the coin from a few rounds to cover his costs and give him spending money and gives him enough time to party before he needs to be at the next one.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 25, 2025, 08:54:44 am
nah he was faking it to get a medical time-out and win, except he forgot the bit about playing out the game.
He's very clever. Alcaraz and Sinner can over take him as goat. Zverev is 27 and would have to conquer all comers for 10 years to get close to his record.
I cant see anyone overtaking Novak as the GOAT, a special talent with abilities none of the current players have. Remember, for most of his career, he played against Fed and Raffa in a lot of Grandslams (ie multiple GS winners themselves and contenders for GOAT). I cant see an era were Sinner, Alcaraz and co achieve what the above did, time will tell.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on January 25, 2025, 04:39:19 pm
If it was racism, why didn't the crowds boo Nadal, Lendl, Vilas, Becker, Alcaraz, etc., etc.?
Fans of Djoker accept his knob behaviour, and anyone who pushes back against it gets labelled racist by them.
Not sure what his injury is or if he genuinely has one, it seems the only way he losses a match these days is through injury and that makes people suspicious, I think the cynicism is justified. It's like aging F1 drivers always claiming the car is no good.
It's understandable, he's been there done that and when the going gets tough it's fair enough for him to perhaps lose motivation, but don't steal the opponents victory with excuses.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on January 25, 2025, 06:12:55 pm
If it was racism, why didn't the crowds boo Nadal, Lendl, Vilas, Becker, Alcaraz, etc., etc.?
Fans of Djoker accept his knob behaviour, and anyone who pushes back against it gets labelled racist by them.
Not sure what his injury is or if he genuinely has one, it seems the only way he losses a match these days is through injury and that makes people suspicious, I think the cynicism is justified. It's like aging F1 drivers always claiming the car is no good.
It's understandable, he's been there done that and when the going gets tough it's fair enough for him to perhaps lose motivation, but don't steal the opponents victory with excuses.
You know, all of them came from the Balkans too...
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 25, 2025, 11:12:05 pm
Again, booed because he can be a bit df a dick at times not because they are racist. Poor form I agree, Sverev put the crown in their place.
Perhaps a very oblique reference to the booing of Goodes?
For me, Goodes was dirty and a Kent on the ground. I feel that's why he was booed.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on January 26, 2025, 10:34:31 pm
I have to say I'm not a big tennis fan, I like all sport, but with tennis I tend to only watch finals.
Having watched tonight's final, I'm not surprised at all that Djoker dominates these players, they are dead set ordinary by the standards of the past. A fit Djoker, Raffa, Agassi type would mince these spuds.
For example, they play drops shots from the baseline like they have concrete rackets, and sometimes still win the point! :o
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: shawny on January 27, 2025, 10:51:13 am
I have to say I'm not a big tennis fan, I like all sport, but with tennis I tend to only watch finals.
Having watched tonight's final, I'm not surprised at all that Djoker dominates these players, they are dead set ordinary by the standards of the past. A fit Djoker, Raffa, Agassi type would mince these spuds.
For example, they play drops shots from the baseline like they have concrete rackets, and sometimes still win the point! :o
Sinner is the returning champ and hardly lost a set all tournament and far from ordinary. He has won 3 slams now and will win many more.
Novak and Raffa are 2 of the top 3 players of all time - comparing any current player to anyone in that group is pointless.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on January 27, 2025, 04:25:37 pm
Sinner is the returning champ and hardly lost a set all tournament and far from ordinary. He has won 3 slams now and will win many more.
Novak and Raffa are 2 of the top 3 players of all time - comparing any current player to anyone in that group is pointless.
Records are relative.
I suspect if Federer was around and playing in his prime at the moment he would probably be on a grand slam hattrick about now, the current players aren't in the same league as the people he regularly came up against. I'm not even sure Sinner and Alcaraz would get the better of the 2nd tier types from the early Federer era 2000 through 2010.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on January 27, 2025, 04:59:12 pm
Novak and Raffa are 2 of the top 3 players of all time - comparing any current player to anyone in that group is pointless.
Having watched the likes of Newcombe, Rosewall, Laver, Bjorg, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Sampras and Agassi, and acknowledging how difficult it is to compare players from different eras, Rafa, the Djoker and Federer would be among peers if it was possible to get that lot on court together under the same conditions and conditioning.
Federer is the most complete player I've seen, but all of that lot were outstanding.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: dodge on January 27, 2025, 05:21:59 pm
Although players are fitter and stronger and technology is different (balls and racquets?) - comparing eras is dangerous, but it would be interesting to see how they went against Safin or the kick serve and volley of Edberg/Cash.
Interesting that from 2004 to 2023, of the 20 finals, the big three won 18 of them - Wawrinka and Safin the other 2.
Fed, Rafa and Djok only played against each other in a final 4 times and Andy Murray was runner up 5 times.
Looking at the earlier era - Andy Roddick never made a final, Agassi won 4, courier a couple, Sampras a couple and Becker a couple.
Era before that, it was Wilander, Edberg and Llendl turn to share (with Cash a runner up a couple of times). Bjorg never made the trip here.
Which era has more depth? You could argue for and against them all.
The post Fed, Rafa, Djok era is only 3 years old, but more time is needed. Interesting that a few of the names that were slated aren't making such a big impact (eg Tsitsipas, Ruud) although there is time. Sinner, Alcaraz and Zverev and a few on the way may make things interesting. De Minaur looks to be a good player to quarterfinals (is ranked 7th, so plays to his ranking).
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: northernblue on January 28, 2025, 08:27:24 am
Sinner is the returning champ and hardly lost a set all tournament and far from ordinary. He has won 3 slams now and will win many more.
Novak and Raffa are 2 of the top 3 players of all time - comparing any current player to anyone in that group is pointless.
Records are relative.
I suspect if Federer was around and playing in his prime at the moment he would probably be on a grand slam hattrick about now, the current players aren't in the same league as the people he regularly came up against. I'm not even sure Sinner and Alcaraz would get the better of the 2nd tier types from the early Federer ear 2000 through 2010.
Bradman would be scoring heavily too… 🙄
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: tonyo on January 28, 2025, 01:48:09 pm
If comparing past and present tennis players, there are two big differences that must be considered.
(1) Courts - these days, most tournaments are played on some form of manufactured hard court, far more predictable and thus perfect for smacking groundstrokes (yes, I know Wimbledon and Roland Garros are exceptions).
(2) Equipment - racquets of yesteryear cannot even be compared to the current types - so much lighter and stronger now. I'd love to see the current crop play with a Pancho Gonzalez wooden version! Probably wouldn't be able to lift it up! And shoes - modern ones are half the weight and three times better for moving around fast.
There are plenty of other comparison points, but these two are the major ones.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: dodge on January 28, 2025, 02:33:43 pm
With equipment, you also need to add tennis balls. They are a lot slower now.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on January 29, 2025, 10:40:40 pm
Djoker lost 4 of every 5 against Federer for the first 12 or 14 years of their coincident career, it's only after Federer started to wind back that Djoker evened up the numbers in the end.
The idea that someone of Djoker's vintage can remain so dominant sort of says something about modern tennis.
Federer was dominant in an era which had far greater depth of talent than the current players, they are full of themselves, the marketing and dollars of the modern game have made them legends in their own lunch box.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: dodge on January 30, 2025, 01:11:39 am
Dunno about Bradman - didn't think he had a great backhand...
Some of the below would work in Bradman's favour, some wouldn't. His temperament would count for a lot. Some would also depend if you put a current player into Bradman's era, or Bradman into the current era.
- Bats are now made quite differently - Bowling was slower (eg Truman was about 130k, John Snow (diff era) high 130s) - Unsure about cricket ball differences - Protective gear is quite different - Pitches are now covered - Knowledge around preparation of pitches and outfields is much greater - fielding skills are much more advanced
Back to tennis - 'The idea that someone of Djoker's vintage can remain so dominant sort of says something about modern tennis'
Is it that the game has evolved in such a way that you can just keep whacking balls from the baseline? Just need to be mentally strong, very fit and consistent - which also means your point play has to be tactically strong.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on January 30, 2025, 08:28:42 am
Djoker lost 4 of every 5 against Federer for the first 12 or 14 years of their coincident career, it's only after Federer started to wind back that Djoker evened up the numbers in the end.
The idea that someone of Djoker's vintage can remain so dominant sort of says something about modern tennis.
Federer was dominant in an era which had far greater depth of talent than the current players, they are full of themselves, the marketing and dollars of the modern game have made them legends in their own lunch box.
Not sure about your interpretation of events there.
They were in the thick of it for most of their careers and only a 6 year age gap. Considering federer retired 2020 the facts don't assert djokovic brought him back later. Particularly with this article asserting that djokovic won 27 of 40 matches head to head after losing the first 4 matches. If anything federer started winning more when he succumbed and went to the larger racket in 2014 but Djokovic was relentless and played at a high level, and would find a way to keep getting the ball back.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 30, 2025, 12:48:47 pm
Off topic but the Jelena Dokic doco was fantastic. The father was and is an absolute kent of a human. She might have been anything had she had semi normal parents. Heart wrenching to watch but awesome.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on January 30, 2025, 01:23:41 pm
Off topic but the Jelena Dokic doco was fantastic. The father was and is an absolute kent of a human. She might have been anything had she had semi normal parents. Heart wrenching to watch but awesome.
She was hard to take at times during her career but that’s perfectly understandable when you learn about her early life.
I have heard her speak about it and she is remarkably brave and remarkably “normal” in the circumstances. It was hard to listen to but you have to admire her for speaking out.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on January 30, 2025, 09:44:16 pm
Off topic but the Jelena Dokic doco was fantastic. The father was and is an absolute kent of a human. She might have been anything had she had semi normal parents. Heart wrenching to watch but awesome.
the sad part is she had semi normal Balkan parents.
These behaviours are not uncommon.
As per all documentaries they gild the lily a bit with the early stuff and make them out like it would have been different if not for x.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 01, 2025, 01:20:42 pm
Australian tennis player-turned-commentator Rennae Stubbs has made the shock declaration she thinks Jannik Sinner is "guaranteed" to cop a ban when he fronts the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in April. Sinner won his second Australian Open and third grand slam title last week, but his immediate future in the sport is under a cloud.
The World No.1 will face a CAS hearing and could be facing a maximum two-year ban after the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) appealed a decision by the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) to clear him. Sinner twice tested positive to banned steroid Clostebol last March, but the ITIA allowed him to keep playing after he claimed he was inadvertently contaminated by his physio.
I dont watch Tennis but its interesting to me how Sinner has escaped punishment and sold the old contaminated by another story and got away with it but that rarely works in other sports and id pose the question that if he was ranked 150 in the world instead of No 1 would he have been suspended/banned? Djokovic has copped plenty of heat for withdrawing but the aptly named Sinner who has been caught twice for steroid use gets away with zero heat coming his way...
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 01, 2025, 02:04:07 pm
Meanwhile:
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Six more current or former tennis players linked to a match-fixing syndicate in Belgium were given suspensions of varying lengths — one was barred for 15 years — and fined, the International Tennis Integrity Agency said.
That brings the total to about 30 players punished for their connections to the syndicate run by Grigor Sargsyan, who was previously given a five-year custodial sentence.
The player who received the longest ban in the announcement, 34-year-old Agustin Moyano of Argentina, was suspended for 15 years and fined $10,000 after denying the charges and requesting a full hearing.
I think that the ITF may be more concerned with maintaining its monopoly than with cleaning up the sport.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on February 01, 2025, 03:18:57 pm
Australian tennis player-turned-commentator Rennae Stubbs has made the shock declaration she thinks Jannik Sinner is "guaranteed" to cop a ban when he fronts the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in April. Sinner won his second Australian Open and third grand slam title last week, but his immediate future in the sport is under a cloud.
The World No.1 will face a CAS hearing and could be facing a maximum two-year ban after the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) appealed a decision by the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) to clear him. Sinner twice tested positive to banned steroid Clostebol last March, but the ITIA allowed him to keep playing after he claimed he was inadvertently contaminated by his physio.
I dont watch Tennis but its interesting to me how Sinner has escaped punishment and sold the old contaminated by another story and got away with it but that rarely works in other sports and id pose the question that if he was ranked 150 in the world instead of No 1 would he have been suspended/banned? Djokovic has copped plenty of heat for withdrawing but the aptly named Sinner who has been caught twice for steroid use gets away with zero heat coming his way...
nah we won't go the Italian. He's the good type of wog.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 01, 2025, 04:08:30 pm
nah we won't go the Italian. He's the good type of wog.
Aaah the old it's racism defence, I don't think it will help, if he's guilty he's gone!
Is this a Greek vs Italian thing, given Kyrgios has been asserting Sinner's guilt for almost 12 months?
As someone of greek heritage, I can definitely tell you that those which sit on the pope's side of Christianity are derided much less than those who sit on the Byzantine side of Christianity.
The further west you go, the more accepted you become.
This is particularly if you are more culturally aligned to your heritage and hail from the Balkans.
Did I tell you about what I heard from an aussie in the crowd at kokkinakis match this year?
"If he loses he's greek, if he wins he's aussie".
Had a good laugh with his mates.
When kokkinakis saluted and won whilst we were clapping i turned to him and said, and he's greek Australian whether he wins or loses and deserves our support.
It's not everyone but it exists. You can disregard it all you like. It exists.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 02, 2025, 06:38:41 am
As someone of greek heritage, I can definitely tell you that those which sit on the pope's side of Christianity are derided much less than those who sit on the Byzantine side of Christianity.
The further west you go, the more accepted you become.
This is particularly if you are more culturally aligned to your heritage and hail from the Balkans.
Did I tell you about what I heard from an aussie in the crowd at kokkinakis match this year?
"If he loses he's greek, if he wins he's aussie".
Had a good laugh with his mates.
When kokkinakis saluted and won whilst we were clapping i turned to him and said, and he's greek Australian whether he wins or loses and deserves our support.
It's not everyone but it exists. You can disregard it all you like. It exists.
Going over old ground here but "if he/she wins, he/she is an Aussie" is a fairly common if inappropriate comment among Aussie supporters, regardless of their heritage.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on February 02, 2025, 01:22:13 pm
As someone of greek heritage, I can definitely tell you that those which sit on the pope's side of Christianity are derided much less than those who sit on the Byzantine side of Christianity.
The further west you go, the more accepted you become.
This is particularly if you are more culturally aligned to your heritage and hail from the Balkans.
Did I tell you about what I heard from an aussie in the crowd at kokkinakis match this year?
"If he loses he's greek, if he wins he's aussie".
Had a good laugh with his mates.
When kokkinakis saluted and won whilst we were clapping i turned to him and said, and he's greek Australian whether he wins or loses and deserves our support.
It's not everyone but it exists. You can disregard it all you like. It exists.
Going over old ground here but "if he/she wins, he/she is an Aussie" is a fairly common if inappropriate comment among Aussie supporters, regardless of their heritage.
you didn't hear the manner in which it was said and the preceding conversation deriding people being there with greek flags.
Like I said it's not everyone, and it does exist. prejudice is prejudice. See above.
Yes, and bigotry is bigotry, but neither are necessarily racist.
right.
Guess I'm just being over sensitive then and this under current is rubbish?
I'll remember to ask you whether or not I'm ok to feel aggrieved or not.
You might want to have a think about the points being argued and what your contention is. Thus far it appears you're just being contrary but to what point I'm not quite clear of.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 02, 2025, 10:18:05 pm
Racism is a technical term, it's definition isn't in the eye of the beholder and certainly not in the opinion of the offended. Much of what is represented in media and social media as racism is not, much like the events and reactions that started this thread!
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 03, 2025, 11:06:59 am
Guess I'm just being over sensitive then and this under current is rubbish?
I'll remember to ask you whether or not I'm ok to feel aggrieved or not.
You might want to have a think about the points being argued and what your contention is. Thus far it appears you're just being contrary but to what point I'm not quite clear of.
I'm not really sure what you're on about here Thry.
Yes, the comment was inappropriate and you have every right to feel aggrieved.
The "woke" that some folk dislike simply means awareness of social and political issues and the bozo who made the comment is certainly not woke.
However, as LP pointed out, it was not a racist comment. The Australian Human Rights Commission defines racism as "... the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."
In other words, the comments that quite rightly caused you offence were ignorant, unthinking, prejudiced, and not woke, but not racist.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on February 03, 2025, 04:30:22 pm
Guess I'm just being over sensitive then and this under current is rubbish?
I'll remember to ask you whether or not I'm ok to feel aggrieved or not.
You might want to have a think about the points being argued and what your contention is. Thus far it appears you're just being contrary but to what point I'm not quite clear of.
I'm not really sure what you're on about here Thry.
Yes, the comment was inappropriate and you have every right to feel aggrieved.
The "woke" that some folk dislike simply means awareness of social and political issues and the bozo who made the comment is certainly not woke.
However, as LP pointed out, it was not a racist comment. The Australian Human Rights Commission defines racism as "... the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."
In other words, the comments that quite rightly caused you offence were ignorant, unthinking, prejudiced, and not woke, but not racist.
Maybe have a read of the original comments. I thought I was confused but I dont think woke is part of this conversation
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 03, 2025, 09:04:32 pm
Maybe have a read of the original comments. I thought I was confused but I dont think woke is part of this conversation
Woke is definitely part of the conversation Thry. A "woke" person is aware of social and political issues and would not have made the comments that quite rightly offended you at the tennis. Woke is good, despite Dutton claiming that "wokeness" is an affront to masculinity ::)
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 04, 2025, 03:02:38 am
Most stuff is OK in moderation, in a state of balance.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Professer E on February 04, 2025, 09:45:06 am
Talking about the blurred lines between racism-bigotry-sexism-predjudice and privilege etc the Kerr trial is an interesting follow
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 04, 2025, 12:01:57 pm
Talking about the blurred lines between racism-bigotry-sexism-predjudice and privilege etc the Kerr trial is an interesting follow
Indeed!
The legal situation in the UK is a bit different to here and several Acts refer to "less favourable treatment on grounds of colour, race, or ethnic or national origins". If a black person treats a white person less favourably, it is racism. We'll have to see how that plays out in the Sam Kerr case ...
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Professer E on February 04, 2025, 12:37:52 pm
Yes, on one hand you've got the sexism thing/prejudice (female claiming male indifference, prejudice against LGTBI people, coloured person v police issues, uncomfortable scenario- potential deprivation of liberty locked in cab) vs. criminal damage, spewing in a cab, threats and abusive language towards a police officer. It's not a good look being boozed and up and abusive and it will be interesting to see how the Crown adjudicates this. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a suspended sentence or a very hefty fine.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on February 04, 2025, 12:50:53 pm
The case is laughable. She called him " Stupid and white" He asked her if she would pay for the taxi damages and she showed him her bank balance. He said he was belittled by that lol.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Professer E on February 04, 2025, 01:14:10 pm
She carried on like an entitled flog and the implication is she pulled the "don't you know who I am" schtick (ironically, in itself a form of privilege). If she had of just shut up, apologised nicely and paid for stuff it would have all gone away quietly....morale of story don't lip a cop it never ends well.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 04, 2025, 01:30:26 pm
Yes, on one hand you've got the sexism thing/prejudice (female claiming male indifference, prejudice against LGTBI people, coloured person v police issues, uncomfortable scenario- potential deprivation of liberty locked in cab) vs. criminal damage, spewing in a cab, threats and abusive language towards a police officer. It's not a good look being boozed and up and abusive and it will be interesting to see how the Crown adjudicates this. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a suspended sentence or a very hefty fine.
Agree, cant see her getting off given the taxi incident and then the Police involvement, clearly alcohol involved and disorderly behaviour followed and Id be expecting more of a good behaviour bond and fine type of punishment. Be interesting how her club Chelsea and Aus soccer view her behaviour..
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 04, 2025, 01:31:59 pm
Yes, on one hand you've got the sexism thing/prejudice (female claiming male indifference, prejudice against LGTBI people, coloured person v police issues, uncomfortable scenario- potential deprivation of liberty locked in cab) vs. criminal damage, spewing in a cab, threats and abusive language towards a police officer. It's not a good look being boozed and up and abusive and it will be interesting to see how the Crown adjudicates this. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a suspended sentence or a very hefty fine.
A sequence of poor decisions by Kerr and her partner.
When you consider “You guys are stupid and white, you guys are f***ing stupid and white.” together with, “This is a racial f***ing thing. You are believing that guy out the front over £50. Listen to the f***ing recording, this stupid c**t wouldn’t let us go.” it’s pretty clear that Kerr played the race card and used offensive, if not racist, language.
Kerr’s lawyer is not denying that she used racist language but says that she did not feel hostility towards Lovell because he is white. My understanding is that the issue is not Kerr’s feelings towards Lovell but rather the impact of Kerr’s comments on Lovell.
Hard to know which way it will go but I suspect she’ll be admonished without conviction so as not to affect her ability to travel.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Professer E on February 04, 2025, 02:23:47 pm
All in all it is a sordid incident and her reputation, given the vast amount of goodwill she had earned, is sullied. Nobody wins when a night on the sauce goes bad.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 04, 2025, 05:34:42 pm
Playing the race card on video might get you support in the radical USA, you know because it's "speaking your truth" and you've lived "an oppressed life", but it's going to get you cooked like a Christmas goose in the UK.
Judges and courts are not captain's pick in the UK.
Anyway, it just proves to be a sporting star there is no need to be a brain surgeon, perhaps it turns out Kerr is so good on the field because it's all reflex and little thought!
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on February 04, 2025, 05:46:41 pm
If the taxi driver tried what he did on a couple of drunken men it might have been more than damage to his taxi.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 04, 2025, 06:02:32 pm
If the taxi driver tried what he did on a couple of drunken men it might have been more than damage to his taxi.
But they'd be guilty too! ;)
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on February 04, 2025, 08:19:12 pm
All the news reports back when it first broke claimed she called the cop a "Stupid white bastard"
She said " Stupid and White"
How do they get that wrong?
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 04, 2025, 10:04:42 pm
Some folk are missing the point that the taxi driver was following police instructions when he drove directly to a police station.
It’s interesting that the police didn’t leak details of the incident and the media were forced to fill in the gaps with what they thought happened and was said. At the time of the arrest, Kerr’s lawyers claimed that she said, “stupid white cop”.
It’s hard to argue with both the content and context of the body cam footage. I guess Kerr’s lawyers were counting on her profile, ethnicity and persuasion bullying Lovell into dropping the charges.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on February 05, 2025, 07:57:05 am
Yes, on one hand you've got the sexism thing/prejudice (female claiming male indifference, prejudice against LGTBI people, coloured person v police issues, uncomfortable scenario- potential deprivation of liberty locked in cab) vs. criminal damage, spewing in a cab, threats and abusive language towards a police officer. It's not a good look being boozed and up and abusive and it will be interesting to see how the Crown adjudicates this. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a suspended sentence or a very hefty fine.
Agree, cant see her getting off given the taxi incident and then the Police involvement, clearly alcohol involved and disorderly behaviour followed and Id be expecting more of a good behaviour bond and fine type of punishment. Be interesting how her club Chelsea and Aus soccer view her behaviour..
she'll be in trouble, but she won't be the first footballer behaving badly and odds are her club won't do much. Football Australia might be different. We pride ourselves on nonsense like double downing on criminal proceedings with athletes sighting them role models like they're superheroes not humans who make bad judgement calls at times.
Harry McGuire from Manchester United got into a brawl and locked up on a Greek island. Don't think there was much but a slap on the wrist from his club. The English FA had stood him down but that was matches very close to the trial where he was handed a suspended sentence so they might have done so for optics more than anything else (he wasn't playing particularly well at the time, and is very replacable).
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: tonyo on February 05, 2025, 08:11:30 am
It's ridiculous that this has gone on to be a 3-day court case. She's certainly not innocent, but it's hardly worthy of the amount of effort they have gone to - surely she could have fronted a magistrate, got a fine and paid for damages?
Unless the court case is her idea.....?
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on February 05, 2025, 08:41:48 am
It's ridiculous that this has gone on to be a 3-day court case. She's certainly not innocent, but it's hardly worthy of the amount of effort they have gone to - surely she could have fronted a magistrate, got a fine and paid for damages?
Unless the court case is her idea.....?
The cop got a grilling about it today. Why it took him 11 months to say his feelings were hurt lol.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on February 05, 2025, 10:42:04 am
I reckon its a situation of she is anything but contrite. Else it would have been dismissed fairly quickly.
Usually these things are straight forward. If you actually acknowledge your wrong doing, it all goes away quickly. The footage leaked last night, shows her going racism at the police in the cop station afterwards, not the cabby, to which the officer is heard to say we are adding a charge to this.
They showed footage from cameras on the police officer in the station yesterday. Obviuosly its been edited in a way to make her look bad, but here is the kicker. Miranda rights. Say nothing, and go on your way, else it can and will be used against you.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 05, 2025, 10:47:23 am
All the news reports back when it first broke claimed she called the cop a "Stupid white bastard"
@MBB There is your error, listening too or wishing to believe the media.
The kid has made a stupid mistake, there is no point in slighting 3rd parties to try and protect her from her errors.
The law has made zero effort to publicise the events, it seems all of the alleged media leaking is coming from Kerr's side of the bench, they want to paint it as a stitch up but there seems to be zero evidence to support that claim.
Society can't afford to have subjectivity in law, if she gets off the public should be outraged, it makes no difference in how the abuse was gift wrapped, it's still abuse. We are all equals, we wouldn't get off, neither should the famous, wealthy or infamous.
You are innocent until proven guilty, Kerr shot herself in the foot sledging people on official video. Personally, I think she has had some very bad legal advice, unless it turns into an earner somehow and she might not care!
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on February 05, 2025, 11:42:31 am
Kid?
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 05, 2025, 12:35:15 pm
So Robertson agrees, childish behaviour, do you agree now as well, you've quoted him? (btw., Robertson likes to always discuss this type of issue in the 3rd person, that way he can repeat claims but excuse himself as a source.)
If I'm an adult and in a tantrum I petulantly kick a stranger in the leg, I suffer an adult fate for assault. Geoffrey Robertson knows that but he's conveniently omitted it from his debate of the issue! If the assault was verbal or physical assault makes no difference, an adult acting childishly is judged as an adult.
I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with this case in either outcome, because of the precedent it sets. If Kerr wins the biggest group to take advantage of it will be the racists, she is setting a new threshold for what qualifies as racist. If she is guilty it's really another brick in the great wall of societal madness. All this just to save what was probably petty change for her. In this regard Robertson is correct, it should never have got this far, and the participants have now only made things worse!
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on February 11, 2025, 02:44:57 pm
I agree with the whole article.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 11, 2025, 02:59:50 pm
Sam Kerr earns $600,000 per season, her partner is similarly a high earner, the equivalent of tens years of wages for the average Aussie. She / they, whoever, tried to get out of a pissy little fee and the cab driver not star struck or influenced by celebrity called it out.
The cab driver is the hero, he is the little guy we should all be barracking for not the millionaire sportswoman.
The rest of the case as it developed is an exhibit in stupidity, that Kerr, the police and the court has brought upon themselves, but that cannot be used as an excuse for an adults dodgy childish behaviour.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 11, 2025, 03:08:19 pm
Kate Halfpenny's opinion piece in the Age is far more balanced and analytical than Robinson's typical rambling array of semi-truths and what-ifs.
She writes, "The “Sam was drunk and paranoid” narrative misses how legitimate it is for women to fear being taken off course in a cab. And the “Sam was protecting herself, this is a storm in a teacup” crowd ignores there are ways to handle fear that don’t involve abuse and showing off your stonking bank balance to further belittle."
Kate Halfpenny's opinion piece in the Age is far more balanced and analytical than Robinson's typical rambling array of semi-truths and what-ifs.
Agreed, to some degree Halfpenny explains the reason for the various behaviours, but she isn't trying to excuse it like Robertson, just that she understands how it comes about.
The only issue I have with Halfpenny' s perspective of the behaviour is that Kerr and Mewis aren't young, were not alone in a cab, and between them have wealth well into the 8th digit. Mewis as a US Soccer star quite probably has greater nett worth than Kerr and this started over an amount that is probably less than the cost of the drinks they were sculling!
Interesting, if this had happened in the USA how would police from Mewis' home state deal with it?
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: dodge on February 11, 2025, 03:21:47 pm
Without reading it, Lydia Thorpe has jumped in.
While I can never be in Kerr's shoes, surely a court case going into the days is OTT.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 11, 2025, 05:03:23 pm
While I can never be in Kerr's shoes, surely a court case going into the days is OTT.
I think I’ll pass on Thorpe’s contribution. Her previously stated opinion is that a person of colour cannot be racist towards white folks. That is true to some extent under Australian legislation but it’s not the case in the UK.
Kerr said that she should have just gone home and sorted it out the next day when she was sober … it’s often easy to be wiser after the event, particularly if you’ve had a skin full.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on February 12, 2025, 08:53:25 am
Theres a shock, an article in the age defending Kerr to try wash it all away.
Fevola got worse treatment for standing around with a dildo in public.
yes stupid, but no where near as ridiculous as labelling a police officer dumb and white.
As always, these stars think they are above the law and beyond reproach. Rather than just dealing with the matter at hand, they elect to exacerbate scenarios by giving people a piece of their mind. Sit down, and shut up. Be gracious and continue on your way. No thats not racism and implementing learned helplessness, there is a difference between owning a stuff up, and being maid to pay the piper.
You dont end up in these positions completely innocent. No one does. You could argue the cabby was looking for a pay day against people he knows, but thats where you cant blame someone else for baiting you into behaving like a neanderthal.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 12, 2025, 11:10:13 am
After four hours of deliberations, the jury delivered a not guilty verdict.
Despite that finding, Kerr’s standing in the UK has taken a significant hit. It will be interesting to see if she is reinstated as Matildas’ skipper 🤔
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on February 12, 2025, 11:27:00 am
Hopefully the poor cop recovers from the trauma he suffered.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 12, 2025, 07:55:53 pm
Kerr's behaviour isn't even under debate, she's basically become a moron in the eyes of the public.
Feminists are now trying to spin the whole case as misogyny, but I think Kerr has been treated lightly, if it was someone like Fev slandering a female officer in the same manor he'd be keelhauled.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Professer E on February 13, 2025, 01:51:12 pm
The straight up hypocrisy and abuse of privilege on show is repulsive.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 13, 2025, 04:24:33 pm
The straight up hypocrisy and abuse of privilege on show is repulsive.
I don't get it, the driver of this issue.
Handle backed they throw up in a cab, then apparently put on a turn making excuses to get out of paying.
Kerr is not short of a quid, and I discovered today that Mewis has private wealth of about US$10M. FFS you cheap-a5re flogs, throw the cabbie a 50 quid and move on!
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Professer E on February 14, 2025, 06:53:59 pm
The video is a terrible look and she comes across as a bratty, entitled flog.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on February 18, 2025, 06:54:35 am
Australian tennis player-turned-commentator Rennae Stubbs has made the shock declaration she thinks Jannik Sinner is "guaranteed" to cop a ban when he fronts the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in April. Sinner won his second Australian Open and third grand slam title last week, but his immediate future in the sport is under a cloud.
The World No.1 will face a CAS hearing and could be facing a maximum two-year ban after the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) appealed a decision by the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) to clear him. Sinner twice tested positive to banned steroid Clostebol last March, but the ITIA allowed him to keep playing after he claimed he was inadvertently contaminated by his physio.
I dont watch Tennis but its interesting to me how Sinner has escaped punishment and sold the old contaminated by another story and got away with it but that rarely works in other sports and id pose the question that if he was ranked 150 in the world instead of No 1 would he have been suspended/banned? Djokovic has copped plenty of heat for withdrawing but the aptly named Sinner who has been caught twice for steroid use gets away with zero heat coming his way...
Suspended but will be back just in time for the French open. How fortunate.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 18, 2025, 02:32:45 pm
Australian tennis player-turned-commentator Rennae Stubbs has made the shock declaration she thinks Jannik Sinner is "guaranteed" to cop a ban when he fronts the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in April. Sinner won his second Australian Open and third grand slam title last week, but his immediate future in the sport is under a cloud.
The World No.1 will face a CAS hearing and could be facing a maximum two-year ban after the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) appealed a decision by the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) to clear him. Sinner twice tested positive to banned steroid Clostebol last March, but the ITIA allowed him to keep playing after he claimed he was inadvertently contaminated by his physio.
I dont watch Tennis but its interesting to me how Sinner has escaped punishment and sold the old contaminated by another story and got away with it but that rarely works in other sports and id pose the question that if he was ranked 150 in the world instead of No 1 would he have been suspended/banned? Djokovic has copped plenty of heat for withdrawing but the aptly named Sinner who has been caught twice for steroid use gets away with zero heat coming his way...
Suspended but will be back just in time for the French open. How fortunate.
Yep it's amazing how it's been played down and treated as a minor indiscretion almost which given his history of offences just shows how insipid and corrupt the game of professional Tennis is imo.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: shawny on February 18, 2025, 02:47:05 pm
Suspended but will be back just in time for the French open. How fortunate.
Yep it's amazing how it's been played down and treated as a minor indiscretion almost which given his history of offences just shows how insipid and corrupt the game of professional Tennis is imo.
Not just Tennis EB.
Our own comp makes decisions at times that leaves many scratching their head.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 18, 2025, 05:00:26 pm
Yep it's amazing how it's been played down and treated as a minor indiscretion almost which given his history of offences just shows how insipid and corrupt the game of professional Tennis is imo.
Not just Tennis EB.
Our own comp makes decisions at times that leaves many scratching their head.
Shawny, no doubt we have the professional discount for elite players like a lot of other pro sports.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: madbluboy on February 18, 2025, 05:17:51 pm
The AFL must be kicking themselves after seeing how weak WADA really are.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 26, 2025, 09:07:37 am
The AFL must be kicking themselves after seeing how weak WADA really are.
I suppose that assumes all sports are treated fairly and equally, but I doubt it, the contradictions already existed around soccer and other European sports.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: DJC on February 26, 2025, 09:52:08 am
The AFL must be kicking themselves after seeing how weak WADA really are.
I suppose that assumes all sports are treated fairly and equally, but I doubt it, the contradictions already existed around soccer and other European sports.
More to the point is that all tennis athletes are not treated fairly and equally.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 26, 2025, 10:36:18 am
The AFL must be kicking themselves after seeing how weak WADA really are.
I suppose that assumes all sports are treated fairly and equally, but I doubt it, the contradictions already existed around soccer and other European sports.
Adrian mutu would disagree with that statement.
The taller the poppy the harder it is to chop down.
There's politics at play for sure but not code based. Afl would be made an example of as they're small fry for sure but thats got nothing to do with the price of fish in China.
You follow the drug, where it was sourced and the likelihood of it being used elsewhere and thats when wada might pull out the wet lettuce leaf.
They've gone soft on tennis before and they will again because there is minimal gain in biting the hand that feeds you and they'll simply lose funding.
The other aspect is that they're very quick to clamp down on Russian interests (for reference Adrian mutu and Roman abrahmovic).
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 26, 2025, 03:53:45 pm
The other aspect is that they're very quick to clamp down on Russian interests (for reference Adrian mutu and Roman abrahmovic).
I feel that observation confirms my assertion that politics apply, the direction of it will make little difference, all should be treated equally.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: Thryleon on February 26, 2025, 06:39:29 pm
Feelings ain't anything worth listening to! 🤣
A Romanian international with cocaine in his system on big dollars for Chelsea fc. The code doesn't get a free pass which was your contention. If he was playing tennis he could say he kissed the wrong person and get away with it.
Title: Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9
Post by: LP on February 27, 2025, 02:22:03 am