I really hate Thursday night games, as I work until 19:20.
I hate Thursday footy too, it makes me feel footy saturated and degrades my interest and experience of the approaching weekend.
A lot of grass roots footy people have local footy commitments as well, so they can't go to the game and often miss the 1st Qtr, if you're on a local footy club MC you'll probably miss the 1st-half by the time selection is finished.
Go Blues.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Lods on March 03, 2025, 12:37:45 pm
Dare I say it...Danger game. This is as much a battle of the mental side of football as it is the physical/talent side. We have a superior talented side who should win easily....unless the players 'think' they can win easily. ;) This is the real thing. We have to step it up a level from the practice games. If the players are switched on (and we'll know that about ten minutes in) then we should have a comfortable win. Blues by 40-50
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on March 03, 2025, 01:15:44 pm
Yze had a season to assess and a pre-season to build, he's coming in as a known unknown which is always dangerous, with a squad full of kids who are also known unknowns to support a player like Nankervis who has a habit of making life difficult for us.
Treat them lightly at our peril.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 03, 2025, 01:32:24 pm
Dare I say it...Danger game. This is as much a battle of the mental side of football as it is the physical/talent side. We have a superior talented side who should win easily....unless the players 'think' they can win easily. ;) This is the real thing. We have to step it up a level from the practice games. If the players are switched on (and we'll know that about ten minutes in) then we should have a comfortable win. Blues by 40-50
Where's Tribey? ;)
The degree of difficulty in getting home from a Thursday night game virtually rules them out for me :(
You can't take any result for granted but, if we're switched on, it should be a solid win. Richmond have lost most of their core group of players even if some were cooked. It will be a big ask for the youngsters they've brought in and Balta's suspension won't help.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: madbluboy on March 03, 2025, 01:33:18 pm
Carlton by 77 points
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on March 03, 2025, 01:43:55 pm
I hope so, we need ways of sometimes delivering that sort of result instead of playing every game to the death.
Furthermore, handing out brutality to newbie opposition can put you in a position of dominance for years to come, the flipside of that is a unexpected loss can launch a decade of confident opponents.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 03, 2025, 02:18:34 pm
Richmond are terrible and will be lucky to get double figures in goals and we should win by 50 points plus minimum and get our percentage up. We all know how it is rebuilding from scratch and they will be lucky to cobble together two wins for the season and Id like to be four wins from six games at least for the start of the season with a healthy percentage.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on March 03, 2025, 04:44:11 pm
IMO we looked very good v GWS, with possibly one or two exceptions, so I’m looking forward to a comfortable win v the Tigers.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 03, 2025, 06:45:29 pm
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: tonyo on March 03, 2025, 08:38:52 pm
If we are serious about it, we should be winning by a minimum of 60 points. And if we get 40 points up by 3/4 time, please don't take the foot off the gas.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: rocky on March 03, 2025, 09:27:02 pm
In all seriousness we should flog these blokes. Anything under 60 pts would be disappointing
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: shawny on March 03, 2025, 09:29:42 pm
First time in decades im starting the year expecting a stressless night. Wont get an easier game than the tigers in the state they are in.
Should be a comfortable 10 goal win that is set up before half time. Bank the 4 points and no new injures and im happy.
If they are still within striking distance at 3 qt time we are not serious.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on March 03, 2025, 10:10:53 pm
Need to be ruthless and put on the points and percentage on early in the campaign.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 03, 2025, 11:05:32 pm
My point is it's round 1 and no one really knows fore sure what will happen in any of the 8 games. Sure, we should be the Tigers as they are a young side but if we don't show up treating them like last years premiers and instead treat them like last years wooden spooners, many of us will be very sad when the siren goes. There are games we participate in (Rich, Coll, Ess) that no matter where we all are on the ladder, or who the favourite is, anyone can beat anyone. I have been around the block too many times to sit here and talk about 10 goal wins. Turn up prepared, stick to the plan and build momentum week by week. Keep it simple and fly under the radar as much as possible. Let the Hollywood Hawks take all the limelight and see where that gets them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on March 04, 2025, 07:41:41 am
@GI2C this is years of us being a rabble talking.
Yeah they have a few notable players, but their best performers of the last few seasons are all out the door. Prestia, Hopper, Taranto are the names to worry about. Lynch from what I have seen of him gets an umpires free ride, but they lack firepower, and their stars are a bit older and slower these days, and the A graders are pretty much all done.
They lack weapons. This isnt underestimating them, they may struggle to kick a winning score at all, let alone 12 goals.
I remember what it was like rocking up and wondering where the goals would come from. This is where Richmond are at.
Currently we too look a bit fragile, but I suspect we will have enough about us to get over the line in this one easily enough.
Cripps, Mckay, Weitering, Cerra, Hewett, Kemp, TDK. Those guys play well and we win probably a lot of the time, against the teams that were in the bottom 4 last season.
All it needs is another 6 to 10 names to put in a workmanlike effort to go with it, and it wont be too much of a struggle for us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on March 04, 2025, 08:38:02 am
My point is it's round 1 and no one really knows fore sure what will happen in any of the 8 games. Sure, we should be the Tigers as they are a young side but if we don't show up treating them like last years premiers and instead treat them like last years wooden spooners, many of us will be very sad when the siren goes. There are games we participate in (Rich, Coll, Ess) that no matter where we all are on the ladder, or who the favourite is, anyone can beat anyone. I have been around the block too many times to sit here and talk about 10 goal wins. Turn up prepared, stick to the plan and build momentum week by week. Keep it simple and fly under the radar as much as possible. Let the Hollywood Hawks take all the limelight and see where that gets them.
Same page here, GTC. Our starts over the past few years against the Tiggers and BrisVegas have hardly been 4 qtr stunners.
I'd be happy just to see us 'switched on' and doing the basics really well and let the result take care of itself.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: madbluboy on March 04, 2025, 08:55:21 am
If you're a real premiership contender you shouldn't be worried about playing Richmond.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 04, 2025, 11:41:30 am
If you're a real premiership contender you shouldn't be worried about playing Richmond.
And I am not fully convinced we are a contender yet. As Thry said, years of being a rabble and then years of inconsistency has conditioned me to not be convinced until I can see cold hard evidence.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on March 04, 2025, 02:52:54 pm
If you're a real premiership contender you shouldn't be worried about playing Richmond.
In AFL there is no team so dominant that it can afford to treat opponents with disregard.
And no team is so far off the pace that it can be taken lightly.
Richmond may not win many games this season but they will punish any team that doesn't turn up ready to play, as the Swans found out last season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: madbluboy on March 06, 2025, 01:07:57 pm
IN
Jasper Alger (No.58 draft pick), Harry Armstrong (No.23 draft pick), Jonty Faull (No.14 draft pick), Taj Hotton (No.12 draft pick), Sam Lalor (No.1 draft pick), Thomas Sims (No.28 draft pick), Josh Smillie (No.7 draft pick), Luke Trainor (No.21 draft pick)
OUT
Liam Baker (trade, West Coast), Shai Bolton (trade, Fremantle), Matthew Coulthard (delisted), Noah Cumberland (delisted), Jack Graham (free agent, West Coast), Dylan Grimes (retired), Dustin Martin (retired), Marlion Pickett (retired), Sam Naismith (retired), Daniel Rioli (trade, Gold Coast)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 06, 2025, 01:10:38 pm
Thats a lot of experience and quality going out from the Tigers, if we lose in round 1 we are finished for the year and so is the coach...not going to happen imo and Im expecting a crushing win if we are a serious contender.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: PaulP on March 06, 2025, 01:47:06 pm
Personally, I don't care if we're playing an U/10 girls team, I object on principle to any complacency, not from supporters and most certainly not from the club. We have shown some good things over the last couple of years, but we have not shown an ability to constantly crush weaker opposition. There's a legitimate tipping point when reasonable measured confidence tips into arrogance and entitlement, thinking that if we just show up, we'll get the job done. We have not earned the right to think that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on March 06, 2025, 03:08:40 pm
Thats a lot of experience and quality going out from the Tigers, if we lose in round 1 we are finished for the year and so is the coach...not going to happen imo and Im expecting a crushing win if we are a serious contender.
Cooky put the acid right on the entire club the other night in TV, he stated categorically top 4 is the ambition (rightly so). Over to you Blueboys.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 06, 2025, 07:53:16 pm
Personally, I don't care if we're playing an U/10 girls team, I object on principle to any complacency, not from supporters and most certainly not from the club. We have shown some good things over the last couple of years, but we have not shown an ability to constantly crush weaker opposition. There's a legitimate tipping point when reasonable measured confidence tips into arrogance and entitlement, thinking that if we just show up, we'll get the job done. We have not earned the right to think that.
Hawthorn teams (including the current one) have made careers of being arrogant and entitled. The current Hollywood Hawks are the best there's ever been.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: PaulP on March 06, 2025, 08:06:23 pm
]Hawthorn teams (including the current one) have made careers of being arrogant and entitled. The current Hollywood Hawks are the best there's ever been.
Maybe, but more often than not, they back it up and walk the walk. 3 flags in the last decade, plus a terrific 2nd half of 2024.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 06, 2025, 09:21:01 pm
]Hawthorn teams (including the current one) have made careers of being arrogant and entitled. The current Hollywood Hawks are the best there's ever been.
Maybe, but more often than not, they back it up and walk the walk. 3 flags in the last decade, plus a terrific 2nd half of 2024.
I'm tipping 2025 aint gonna be so good for them, their inflated egos will see to that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 06, 2025, 09:22:23 pm
]Hawthorn teams (including the current one) have made careers of being arrogant and entitled. The current Hollywood Hawks are the best there's ever been.
Maybe, but more often than not, they back it up and walk the walk. 3 flags in the last decade, plus a terrific 2nd half of 2024.
From a laughing stock to the most successful team of the last 50 years, despite merger proposals and Jeff Kennett’s sometimes wayward leadership.
While I don’t think they’re resting on their laurels or expecting that recent past success will get them by, that winning culture is in their footy DNA.
We’re the opposite with 30 years of mediocre performances in our footy DNA. Yes, few of our players were around when we were rubbish but the playing group’s finals success is limited and that’s what we need to address.
Pumping Richmond in Round 1 would be a good start but not if we fall in a hole when we come up against a contender or pretender.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 06, 2025, 09:29:38 pm
Maybe, but more often than not, they back it up and walk the walk. 3 flags in the last decade, plus a terrific 2nd half of 2024.
From a laughing stock to the most successful team of the last 50 years, despite merger proposals and Jeff Kennett’s sometimes wayward leadership.
While I don’t think they’re resting on their laurels or expecting that recent past success will get them by, that winning culture is in their footy DNA.
We’re the opposite with 30 years of mediocre performances in our footy DNA. Yes, few of our players were around when we were rubbish but the playing group’s finals success is limited and that’s what we need to address.
Pumping Richmond in Round 1 would be a good start but not if we fall in a hole when we come up against a contender or pretender.
Winning premierships and success has been in our DNA also, premierships were expected not hoped for. Unfortunately, salary cap cheating, poor recruitment and poor coaching appointments/sackings put paid to all that was built up over decades resulting in 16 premierships and none in 30 years.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on March 06, 2025, 09:49:47 pm
Just get out there a pump the feckin Tiggers!!
Sorry, I’ve had a couple.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 06, 2025, 10:18:42 pm
Winning premierships and success has been in our DNA also, premierships were expected not hoped for. Unfortunately, salary cap cheating, poor recruitment and poor coaching appointments/sackings put paid to all that was built up over decades resulting in 16 premierships and none in 30 years.
Yes, we were rubbish when I was at primary school but we were the most successful team from secondary school until 1995. Hawthorn completely eclipsed us from then on and that’s why they’re my least favourite team … along with their choice of coach and his tactics when Fev was closing in on 100 goals.
But you’re right, our demise is of our own making.
Starting the season with a win is essential but we don’t have to pants Richmond. They could play out of their skins - as often happens with blockbuster games between traditional rivals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: shawny on March 06, 2025, 11:50:44 pm
The preservative effects of alcoholic beverages are well known 😇
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on March 07, 2025, 02:19:53 pm
There's arrogance and then there's arrogance.
Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning. If we don't win this win one, its not because competition is tight it's because we are no where near a flag and we are a mid table team.
Thats not to say we will or should win. We shouldn't be worried about this tigers outfit. The only thing to fear against them is the unknown. They'll be plucky for two maybe 3 quarters and we will demolish them in quarter 4.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on March 07, 2025, 05:12:23 pm
Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning.
Possibly, but I think the chance of that happening is remote.
My experience of footy at all levels is that known unknowns frequently slay giants.
Firstly, this seems to occur mostly because AFL is an intensely tactical and rigidly structured game, and being in ignorance of a fresh opponent simply through the lack of previous exposure(they are unknown until otherwise exposed) is a very dangerous position. We can't even study them against other known knowns because we are the first!
Secondly, experienced players improve incrementally, newbies can improve dynamically, Nthmond will potentially change dramatically across the season. They won't be consistent week to week, that makes them a dangerous opponent, hard to plan for, it's not just about ability or skill.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 07, 2025, 06:20:23 pm
Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning. If we don't win this win one, its not because competition is tight it's because we are no where near a flag and we are a mid table team.
Thats not to say we will or should win. We shouldn't be worried about this tigers outfit. The only thing to fear against them is the unknown. They'll be plucky for two maybe 3 quarters and we will demolish them in quarter 4.
Plus Tigers have Prestia out for round 1 and I think I read 5 x ACL's plus Lalor broken jaw 50/50 and Im not sure where Lynch is at as he also had concussion issues. If we had all those ACLs we would be Lynching the high performance staff(pardon the pun).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 07, 2025, 06:49:12 pm
Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning. If we don't win this win one, its not because competition is tight it's because we are no where near a flag and we are a mid table team.
Thats not to say we will or should win. We shouldn't be worried about this tigers outfit. The only thing to fear against them is the unknown. They'll be plucky for two maybe 3 quarters and we will demolish them in quarter 4.
Plus Tigers have Prestia out for round 1 and I think I read 5 x ACL's plus Lalor broken jaw 50/50 and Im not sure where Lynch is at as he also had concussion issues. If we had all those ACLs we would be Lynching the high performance staff(pardon the pun).
Balta is a huge out for the Tigers. Apart from always seeming to play well against us in whatever role he happens to be in, he is a handy back up ruck.
We can’t complain about our injuries this season; other teams have heaps and moving on our perennially walking wounded has helped to create a more healthy list.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 07, 2025, 07:37:57 pm
Plus Tigers have Prestia out for round 1 and I think I read 5 x ACL's plus Lalor broken jaw 50/50 and Im not sure where Lynch is at as he also had concussion issues. If we had all those ACLs we would be Lynching the high performance staff(pardon the pun).
Balta is a huge out for the Tigers. Apart from always seeming to play well against us in whatever role he happens to be in, he is a handy back up ruck.
We can’t complain about our injuries this season; other teams have heaps and moving on our perennially walking wounded has helped to create a more healthy list.
Forgot about Balta, he is a big loss as you say and we have no excuses especially if Curnow and Walsh get up for the game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on March 07, 2025, 07:47:34 pm
Balta is a huge out for the Tigers. Apart from always seeming to play well against us in whatever role he happens to be in, he is a handy back up ruck.
We can’t complain about our injuries this season; other teams have heaps and moving on our perennially walking wounded has helped to create a more healthy list.
Forgot about Balta, he is a big loss as you say and we have no excuses especially if Curnow and Walsh get up for the game.
Vossy said Walshy will be in. Curnow hasn't been ruled out, yet, but will be right for Round 2. He won't play Round 1.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on March 07, 2025, 09:49:14 pm
Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning.
Possibly, but I think the chance of that happening is remote.
My experience of footy at all levels is that known unknowns frequently slay giants.
Firstly, this seems to occur mostly because AFL is an intensely tactical and rigidly structured game, and being in ignorance of a fresh opponent simply through the lack of previous exposure(they are unknown until otherwise exposed) is a very dangerous position. We can't even study them against other known knowns because we are the first!
Secondly, experienced players improve incrementally, newbies can improve dynamically, Nthmond will potentially change dramatically across the season. They won't be consistent week to week, that makes them a dangerous opponent, hard to plan for, it's not just about ability or skill.
the point is sides like that get their wins against other sides in the same boat like West coast.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 08, 2025, 08:07:29 am
Possibly, but I think the chance of that happening is remote.
My experience of footy at all levels is that known unknowns frequently slay giants.
Firstly, this seems to occur mostly because AFL is an intensely tactical and rigidly structured game, and being in ignorance of a fresh opponent simply through the lack of previous exposure(they are unknown until otherwise exposed) is a very dangerous position. We can't even study them against other known knowns because we are the first!
Secondly, experienced players improve incrementally, newbies can improve dynamically, Nthmond will potentially change dramatically across the season. They won't be consistent week to week, that makes them a dangerous opponent, hard to plan for, it's not just about ability or skill.
the point is sides like that get their wins against other sides in the same boat like West coast.
One of Richmond’s wins last season was over the Swans …
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on March 08, 2025, 10:46:12 am
One of Richmond’s wins last season was over the Swans …
they're weaker this year.
Agree....got their stars but then they tail off imho and if you are having to pick scraps like Paton from Stkilda its not a good sign.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 09, 2025, 12:34:33 pm
Two debutants for us; Nick Haynes and Lucas Camporeale!
Haynes was always likely to play but Lucas is a bit of a surprise. Based on his draft profile, I would have expected Lucas to break into the team some time after brother Ben and towards the end of the season. His form in the GWS practice match was good but his poise under pressure was outstanding. It seems that Lucas has gone past Jaxon Binns - although the latter could be named too.
Charlie will miss but is back in full training and it seems that Sam Walsh will play.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on March 09, 2025, 01:41:24 pm
Two debutants for us; Nick Haynes and Lucas Camporeale!
I've been pleasantly surprised by the way Lucas has presented physically, twelve months ago it would have been difficult to imagine him in that sort of shape, he's advanced physically quite quickly.
Lucky genes or hard work, probably both!
His dad despite being slightly built was generally pretty durable, at least while he was with us, but maybe Lucas gets some of it from his mum's side?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on March 09, 2025, 01:46:35 pm
Reward for effort for Lucas.
Was clearly one of our best in the practice match and is rewarded for it.
If they can keep that kind of logic up for the year, including leaving out an injured Charlie, we might be in with a shot.
Its rather simple, but rest injured players and reward form......no matter who they are in each case.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 09, 2025, 02:55:31 pm
Well done to Lucas, hard work has paid off.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on March 09, 2025, 05:50:24 pm
Campo Senior debuted in 1995 and became a premiership player in his first year. Just saying.
Thinking same, history tends to repeat itself, hopefully it does again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on March 11, 2025, 12:38:46 am
Training on Sunday - Docherty and Hewett looked like a million bucks - Charlie was piercing 50m footpasses and kicking goals on two steps. But never contested for marks so maybe round 2. But looks good. - Will White was wearing Jagga Jets number for some reason. - Walsh looked sharp - ready to turn it on - Lucas, Ollie, Saad these quick running types looked very good. - Binns kicking was diabolically bad and has lost all confidence. - Lord & Cerra where on each other for many of the drills and was difficult to pick who won. - Lemming is a real presence but not stringing it together. - Kemp was solid - will have a great year I reckon, SOS as well.
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Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 11, 2025, 10:06:22 am
^ I was watching footage of training and thought for a minute that Jagga must have made a miraculous recovery 😮
Charlie certainly didn’t seem hampered at all and he must have been close to playing. It’s good that the MC resisted the temptation to bring him back early.
As for miraculous recoveries, Hudson 0’Keeffe seems to have shaken off his hamstring in record time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: rocky on March 11, 2025, 10:13:39 am
So I hear on the grapevine that Fantasia has done a soft tissue injury and will be unavailable for this game. FFS stamp his papers already and be done with it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on March 11, 2025, 10:31:24 am
Training on Sunday - Docherty and Hewett looked like a million bucks - Charlie was piercing 50m footpasses and kicking goals on two steps. But never contested for marks so maybe round 2. But looks good. - Will White was wearing Jagga Jets number for some reason. - Walsh looked sharp - ready to turn it on - Lucas, Ollie, Saad these quick running types looked very good. - Binns kicking was diabolically bad and has lost all confidence. - Lord & Cerra where on each other for many of the drills and was difficult to pick who won. - Lemming is a real presence but not stringing it together. - Kemp was solid - will have a great year I reckon, SOS as well.
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Thank you, Fine Wine. Short, sharp and shiny... love it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 11, 2025, 11:20:11 am
Word is H, Fog and Fantasia will miss (not sure how true or accurate this is).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 11, 2025, 12:24:52 pm
Charlie will miss but is back in full training and it seems that Sam Walsh will play.
Do you get the feeling that Charles would have played this week, if it were a bit of a stronger oppo....
Absolutely Mil. Have him jumping out of his skin for the game against the Dawks. Can't believe I'm saying this but I'd prefer a win against those total flogs this year than a win against Coll/Ess/Stk
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Milhanna13 on March 11, 2025, 05:41:51 pm
Do you get the feeling that Charles would have played this week, if it were a bit of a stronger oppo....
Absolutely Mil. Have him jumping out of his skin for the game against the Dawks. Can't believe I'm saying this but I'd prefer a win against those total flogs this year than a win against Coll/Ess/Stk
i know what you mean - the hokkers do seem to be getting a bit ahead of themselves (and that was before the pre-season music video of a docco was aired). their supporters are unbearable
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: deepbluesee on March 11, 2025, 06:02:46 pm
Ch 7 news , intro to stories on the news, has E Hollands out
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on March 11, 2025, 06:39:43 pm
For the uneducated what did we "know" about Elijah (other than come with baggage and served a suspension) and when did Fantasia get injured?
Im led to believe Fantasia hurt his calf a couple of training sessions ago or maybe even the GWS praccy match. There have been rumours circulating around of Elijah "taking time off" since mid February but they got "quashed" on many of the internet forums. We all know what "personal leave", "hamstring awareness" etc means these days.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on March 12, 2025, 06:07:12 am
Saad's professionalism and dedication on show. Great stuff from a great man.
Love Saad, I just wish he was a little more random with his use of run.
Sometimes he needs to kick earlier to catch opponents out of position. When he runs it always gives opposition some extra time to setup, especially when they force him in zig-zag through traffic. He does it well, and sometimes it also opens space, but sometimes those extra 2 or 3 steps are the 5m or 10m a sprinting opponent needs to close off an option further up the field.
Even so, probably wouldn't change him too much, a bit of chaos is hard to plan against.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on March 12, 2025, 01:39:40 pm
Jack Silvagni will play his first game in 600 days.
Vossy confirmed he is playing this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 12, 2025, 02:26:08 pm
Jack Silvagni will play his first game in 600 days.
Vossy confirmed he is playing this week.
Turning the clock back, not just 600 days but almost 25 years since SOS was controlling our backline!
It will be a new look backline with Jack, Ollie and Nick Haynes lining up there!
Quite a few of our newbies and fringe established players took part in the captain’s run this morning and, of them, I expect Cooper Lord to play.
Walshy’s back and Lucas Camporeale makes his debut.
Aren’t you glad footy’s back!!!!
Lord is the one im most bullish about somehow.
Not sure what it is about him, but I reckon he is going to be one of those hidden gems, that people are going to say where was he hiding all that time?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 12, 2025, 04:30:49 pm
Not sure what it is about him, but I reckon he is going to be one of those hidden gems, that people are going to say where was he hiding all that time?
I suspect that Cooper is not quite as talented or as skillful as his mate Jagga and he has had to work harder and possibly values his success just a little more ... and then there's the mullet! :)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 12, 2025, 06:21:54 pm
Fog and H in Evans named. Young Carroll and White emergencies
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 12, 2025, 06:28:48 pm
FB [1] Jack Silvagni [23] Jacob Weitering, [4] Oliver Hollands HB [42] Adam Saad, [11] Mitch McGovern, [2] Lachlan Cowan C [13] Blake Acres, [9] Patrick Cripps, [21] Lucas Camporeale HF [18] Sam Walsh, [17] Brodie Kemp, [8] Lachie Fogarty FF [46] Matthew Cottrell, [10] Harry McKay, [6] Zac Williams Foll [12] Tom De Koning, [5] Adam Cerra, [29] George Hewett Int [15] Sam Docherty, [26] Nick Haynes,[3] Jesse Motlop,[36] Cooper Lord[44] Francis Evans Emeg EMG [33] Lewis Young, [32] Matthew Carroll,[38] Will White
Campo named on the field
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: tex on March 12, 2025, 06:29:57 pm
No Moir?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on March 12, 2025, 06:37:01 pm
half forward there are alot of one on one contests and he gets pushed off the ball too easily for now. I reckon he is 3-5kg of muscle away. He was getting chopped up by Saad, Ollie and Moo.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: NudeNut on March 12, 2025, 06:42:16 pm
Anyone know what's happened to Boyd, didn't see him in the praccy games but not mentioned in the injury list?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 12, 2025, 06:50:18 pm
Anyone know what's happened to Boyd, didn't see him in the praccy games but not mentioned in the injury list?
Interrupted PS I think, doesn't have the miles in the legs yet.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 12, 2025, 08:36:28 pm
So Frank the Tank gets a game with his third club.
Just shows that you can’t have too many small forwards 😇
It will be interesting to see how Ollie, Jack and Kempy go in their new roles. Regardless, it’s a formidable squad on paper and it’s great to see Lachie Cowan, Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Lucas Camporeale and Cooper Lord, all aged 21 or under, named in the team.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 12, 2025, 08:42:11 pm
So Frank the Tank gets a game with his third club.
Just shows that you can’t have too many small forwards 😇
It will be interesting to see how Ollie, Jack and Kempy go in their new roles. Regardless, it’s a formidable squad on paper and it’s great to see Lachie Cowan, Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Lucas Camporeale and Cooper Lord, all aged 21 or under, named in the team.
Richmond Attribute Carlton 188.9cm Height 188.2cm 85.1kg Weight 86.4kg 24yr 10mth Age 26yr 2mth 75.2 Games 108.1 If we lose this we need to take a good long hard look at ourselves.
Blues comfortably.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on March 12, 2025, 08:51:03 pm
So Frank the Tank gets a game with his third club.
Just shows that you can’t have too many small forwards 😇
It will be interesting to see how Ollie, Jack and Kempy go in their new roles. Regardless, it’s a formidable squad on paper and it’s great to see Lachie Cowan, Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Lucas Camporeale and Cooper Lord, all aged 21 or under, named in the team.
One glaring weakness... small forwards. Be interesting to see who kick the goals when we go forward, which should be often.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: crashlander on March 12, 2025, 09:03:56 pm
FB [1] Jack Silvagni [23] Jacob Weitering, [4] Oliver Hollands HB [42] Adam Saad, [11] Mitch McGovern, [2] Lachlan Cowan C [13] Blake Acres, [9] Patrick Cripps, [21] Lucas Camporeale HF [18] Sam Walsh, [17] Brodie Kemp, [8] Lachie Fogarty FF [46] Matthew Cottrell, [10] Harry McKay, [6] Zac Williams Foll [12] Tom De Koning, [5] Adam Cerra, [29] George Hewett Int [15] Sam Docherty, [26] Nick Haynes,[3] Jesse Motlop,[36] Cooper Lord[44] Francis Evans Emeg EMG [33] Lewis Young, [32] Matthew Carroll,[38] Will White
Campo named on the field
Just as long as everyone named is actually fit. A number of these guys haven't done much in the last couple of weeks! I reckon one of our Emergencies will play.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on March 12, 2025, 09:35:57 pm
So Frank the Tank gets a game with his third club.
Just shows that you can’t have too many small forwards 😇
It will be interesting to see how Ollie, Jack and Kempy go in their new roles. Regardless, it’s a formidable squad on paper and it’s great to see Lachie Cowan, Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Lucas Camporeale and Cooper Lord, all aged 21 or under, named in the team.
Careful mate, you could setting yourself up for some humble pie if he fails to perform.
I'd have him starting as the sub and hope we don't cop an injury.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 12, 2025, 09:58:44 pm
So Frank the Tank gets a game with his third club.
Just shows that you can’t have too many small forwards 😇
It will be interesting to see how Ollie, Jack and Kempy go in their new roles. Regardless, it’s a formidable squad on paper and it’s great to see Lachie Cowan, Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Lucas Camporeale and Cooper Lord, all aged 21 or under, named in the team.
Careful mate, you could setting yourself up for some humble pie if he fails to perform.
I'd have him starting as the sub and hope we don't cop an injury.
I think that he’ll be the sub too.
Not really my first choice as sub but we’ve got more than enough versatility among the other 22 to cover any eventuality.
At least Frank applies defensive pressure and makes the most of his opportunities.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on March 12, 2025, 10:01:03 pm
FB [1] Jack Silvagni [23] Jacob Weitering, [4] Oliver Hollands HB [42] Adam Saad, [11] Mitch McGovern, [2] Lachlan Cowan C [13] Blake Acres, [9] Patrick Cripps, [21] Lucas Camporeale HF [18] Sam Walsh, [17] Brodie Kemp, [8] Lachie Fogarty FF [46] Matthew Cottrell, [10] Harry McKay, [6] Zac Williams Foll [12] Tom De Koning, [5] Adam Cerra, [29] George Hewett Int [15] Sam Docherty, [26] Nick Haynes,[3] Jesse Motlop,[36] Cooper Lord[44] Francis Evans Emeg EMG [33] Lewis Young, [32] Matthew Carroll,[38] Will White
Campo named on the field
Looking at who is NOT on that team tells us a decent story.
There is 11 players unavailable due to injury. Add to that Elijah and his 'mental health' and thats 12.
Players who have AFL experience and who are not picked in the best 23 (with games played) Young (67) Boyd (35) - deemed not fit enough it appears Binns (3) Moir (2)
Thats 107 games of experience on the sidelines
Everyone else is injured and/or yet to debut.
So kudos for Lucas getting a game, he deserved it. Evans gets a gig as a newbie (although he has played 34 games which may surprise some)
But its pretty clear that if you are fit and have played a game, you basically get a spot in the side.
There's over 570 games of experience sitting in the rehab room across 7 players who you'd probably find a spot in the side for half of them if they were fit. Charlie Newman Cincotta Elijah Pittonet Durdin Fantasia
Suddenly i'm less confident about our chances this week as i don't really know who is missing from Richmonds side and if its similar or if they are much fitter.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 12, 2025, 10:06:09 pm
Ashton seemed to run out of steam as the pre-season progressed. I think that he’s a hell of a lot fitter than he was last season but he still has a way to go if he’s going to do more than the occasional cameo.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on March 12, 2025, 10:25:35 pm
FB [1] Jack Silvagni [23] Jacob Weitering, [4] Oliver Hollands HB [42] Adam Saad, [11] Mitch McGovern, [2] Lachlan Cowan C [13] Blake Acres, [9] Patrick Cripps, [21] Lucas Camporeale HF [18] Sam Walsh, [17] Brodie Kemp, [8] Lachie Fogarty FF [46] Matthew Cottrell, [10] Harry McKay, [6] Zac Williams Foll [12] Tom De Koning, [5] Adam Cerra, [29] George Hewett Int [15] Sam Docherty, [26] Nick Haynes,[3] Jesse Motlop,[36] Cooper Lord[44] Francis Evans Emeg EMG [33] Lewis Young, [32] Matthew Carroll,[38] Will White
Campo named on the field
Looking at who is NOT on that team tells us a decent story.
There is 11 players unavailable due to injury. Add to that Elijah and his 'mental health' and thats 12.
Players who have AFL experience and who are not picked in the best 23 (with games played) Young (67) Boyd (35) - deemed not fit enough it appears Binns (3) Moir (2)
Thats 107 games of experience on the sidelines
Everyone else is injured and/or yet to debut.
So kudos for Lucas getting a game, he deserved it. Evans gets a gig as a newbie (although he has played 34 games which may surprise some)
But its pretty clear that if you are fit and have played a game, you basically get a spot in the side.
There's over 570 games of experience sitting in the rehab room across 7 players who you'd probably find a spot in the side for half of them if they were fit. Charlie Newman Cincotta Elijah Pittonet Durdin Fantasia
Suddenly i'm less confident about our chances this week as i don't really know who is missing from Richmonds side and if its similar or if they are much fitter.
they've got massive issues.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on March 13, 2025, 12:30:16 am
Richmond have a decent midfield and defence tbh
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Professer E on March 13, 2025, 05:04:34 am
Our small and medium forwards will terrify the opposition....not.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Adelaideblue on March 13, 2025, 08:52:46 am
To repeat the point, with the discarding of Mathew Owes say 32 goals, Mathew Kennedy say 18 goals and Isiah Hollands unavailable say 15 goals, plus Jack Martin a few goals, we have to find others to kick about 70 goals per season. (ie. 3 goals per game)
Hopefully messers Austin and Agresta can weave their magic and find a gem in the rough mid season. However, not at all confident 2025 will see us in the top four.
Ab
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Professer E on March 13, 2025, 09:15:07 am
Named side is very slow
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: BluePhantom on March 13, 2025, 09:47:33 am
Just NO more injuries :'(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 13, 2025, 09:50:29 am
Hopefully TDK has the body to cope with the rigours of AFL now but the ruck position is my biggest concern (Zero cover right now). He comes up against the dirty kent Nankervis who will be out to hurt and maim.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: BluePhantom on March 13, 2025, 09:52:57 am
Hopefully TDK has the body to cope with the rigours of AFL now but the ruck position is my biggest concern (Zero cover right now). He comes up against the dirty kent Nankervis who will be out to hurt and maim.
That is just the Tiggers DNA ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: blueboys_1 on March 13, 2025, 10:45:35 am
To repeat the point, with the discarding of Mathew Owes say 32 goals, Mathew Kennedy say 18 goals and Isiah Hollands unavailable say 15 goals, plus Jack Martin a few goals, we have to find others to kick about 70 goals per season. (ie. 3 goals per game)
Hopefully messers Austin and Agresta can weave their magic and find a gem in the rough mid season. However, not at all confident 2025 will see us in the top four.
Ab
Kennedy and Owies weren't discarded, they were used as collateral to improve our list.
We have a fit Jesse Motlop this season and he averages just over a goal a game. That's around 24 goals. Since we moved Zac Williams to the forward line, he's been averaging 1.5 goals a game so that's another 30 goals. Brodie Kemp kicked 5 goals in his three games as a forward so he could be good for at least another 30 goals. Even Frank the Tank averaged two goals every three games with Port Adelaide. Of course, that's all hypothetical but so is the proposition that Owies, Kennedy and Martin will kick goals in 2025. Kennedy managed only 5 goals in 2023, Martin id still in cotton wool at Kardinia Park and Owies will have to work a hell of a lot harder at West Coast.
Our players and and structures weren't good enough last season. We have added some run and good ball users and made significant changes to our defence and forward line. Although Richmond may not be a true test, tonight should give some indication of whether our changes will make a positive difference. My only real concern is whether we can keep our foot on the Tiger's throat.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 13, 2025, 01:48:38 pm
To repeat the point, with the discarding of Mathew Owes say 32 goals, Mathew Kennedy say 18 goals and Isiah Hollands unavailable say 15 goals, plus Jack Martin a few goals, we have to find others to kick about 70 goals per season. (ie. 3 goals per game)
Hopefully messers Austin and Agresta can weave their magic and find a gem in the rough mid season. However, not at all confident 2025 will see us in the top four.
Ab
Kennedy and Owies weren't discarded, they were used as collateral to improve our list.
We have a fit Jesse Motlop this season and he averages just over a goal a game. That's around 24 goals. Since we moved Zac Williams to the forward line, he's been averaging 1.5 goals a game so that's another 30 goals. Brodie Kemp kicked 5 goals in his three games as a forward so he could be good for at least another 30 goals. Even Frank the Tank averaged two goals every three games with Port Adelaide. Of course, that's all hypothetical but so is the proposition that Owies, Kennedy and Martin will kick goals in 2025. Kennedy managed only 5 goals in 2023, Martin id still in cotton wool at Kardinia Park and Owies will have to work a hell of a lot harder at West Coast.
Our players and and structures weren't good enough last season. We have added some run and good ball users and made significant changes to our defence and forward line. Although Richmond may not be a true test, tonight should give some indication of whether our changes will make a positive difference. My only real concern is whether we can keep our foot on the Tiger's throat.
Semantics...discarded, let go, traded end result is the same and with E Hollands unavailable its going to bite us losing Owies and Kennedy who kicked nearly 50 between them. Kemp, Motlop, Evans and even Williams isnt a quartet I would want to rely on vs any decent opposition, two of them are injury prone and Evans is on his 3rd club after being let go by Port who are not exactly small forward talent rich other than Willie Rioli. Motlop trained well pre-season but his form in the praccy games wasnt anything that will keep the opposition awake at night and the whole question of our small forward group being an improvement on last season is unresolved Imho and I wouldnt be putting my house on them being a difference maker and I think we will need to get more goals from our midfield and wingers to make up for what we have lost now that E Hollands is out of the team. We are very lucky its Richmond tonight and not a final 8 contender or I think we would be struggling but we should win comfortably with our main danger being injuries. Our big mid stocks have been reduced and with only Cripps and Hewitt left available I hope the coaching staff look after them because we have nothing left to replace those bigger bodies in the middle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on March 13, 2025, 02:09:53 pm
I have become a bit nervous about this game I must admit but we must go out there and kick ass. If we struggle or end up with an arm wrestle I will be very disappointed. I don’t want to cut us any slack because of player unavailability. We should be far enough along our development path by now to cover our current absentees, especially v the present Tigger outfit. FFS, just go and do it!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on March 13, 2025, 03:26:49 pm
I'd like a slightly comfortable injury free win, that's all I ask for.
What I don't want is a bunch of wannabes / newbies running our front line crew into the ground to the death in Rnd 1 of the season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: rocky on March 13, 2025, 04:27:20 pm
Out of the Richmond team that we just beat last year they have
Retired
Dylan Grimes, Dustin Martin, Marlion Pickett (lucky not to be in prison)
Didn't get a game
Tylar Young, Maurice Rioli
Injured
Josh Gibcus, Dion Prestia (again)
Run for the exit door
Liam Baker, Shai Bolton, Daniel Rioli
Dumb-ass suspensed
Noah Balta
That's 11 blokes out of that team.
And from our side of last year
Didn't get a game
Lewis Young, Jordan Boyd, Jack Carroll
Injured
Nic Newman, Charlie Curnow, Orazio Fantasia (don't get me started on this spud)
Shown the exit door
Matthew Owies, Matthew Kennedy, David Cuningham
That's 8 blokes out of that team.
Can't see how we can lose this
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 13, 2025, 04:51:27 pm
Kennedy and Owies weren't discarded, they were used as collateral to improve our list.
We have a fit Jesse Motlop this season and he averages just over a goal a game. That's around 24 goals. Since we moved Zac Williams to the forward line, he's been averaging 1.5 goals a game so that's another 30 goals. Brodie Kemp kicked 5 goals in his three games as a forward so he could be good for at least another 30 goals. Even Frank the Tank averaged two goals every three games with Port Adelaide. Of course, that's all hypothetical but so is the proposition that Owies, Kennedy and Martin will kick goals in 2025. Kennedy managed only 5 goals in 2023, Martin id still in cotton wool at Kardinia Park and Owies will have to work a hell of a lot harder at West Coast.
Our players and and structures weren't good enough last season. We have added some run and good ball users and made significant changes to our defence and forward line. Although Richmond may not be a true test, tonight should give some indication of whether our changes will make a positive difference. My only real concern is whether we can keep our foot on the Tiger's throat.
Semantics...discarded, let go, traded end result is the same and with E Hollands unavailable its going to bite us losing Owies and Kennedy who kicked nearly 50 between them. Kemp, Motlop, Evans and even Williams isnt a quartet I would want to rely on vs any decent opposition, two of them are injury prone and Evans is on his 3rd club after being let go by Port who are not exactly small forward talent rich other than Willie Rioli. Motlop trained well pre-season but his form in the praccy games wasnt anything that will keep the opposition awake at night and the whole question of our small forward group being an improvement on last season is unresolved Imho and I wouldnt be putting my house on them being a difference maker and I think we will need to get more goals from our midfield and wingers to make up for what we have lost now that E Hollands is out of the team. We are very lucky its Richmond tonight and not a final 8 contender or I think we would be struggling but we should win comfortably with our main danger being injuries. Our big mid stocks have been reduced and with only Cripps and Hewitt left available I hope the coaching staff look after them because we have nothing left to replace those bigger bodies in the middle.
The bottom line is that we were never going to win a premiership with Owies and Kennedy (and Akuei, Mirkov, Sam Durdin, Jack Carroll, Martin, Cuningham and Marchbank) and our list is far more capable with Haynes, Smith (next season), the Camporeales, O'Farrell and Charleson. What's the saying, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs? Perhaps we should have kept Owies and Kennedy and passed on the Camporeales and O'Farrell?
Bigger bodied midfielders are only useful if they can keep up with their opponents and Kennedy struggled to do that. They're not exactly in short supply at Princes Park either. In addition to Cripps (195cm, 93kg) and Hewett (187cm, 85kg), we have Acres (189cm, 92kg), Cerra (188cm, 87kg), Docherty (184cm, 85kg) and the injured Cincotta (186cm, 86kg).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on March 13, 2025, 05:08:53 pm
I’m more concerned for the season ahead when I see the quality of our bench and emergencies. For Evan’s to be playing our depth is very shallow and having white as an emergency when he wasn’t on any list a month ago is staggering to me. On tonight’s game Lynch always seems to kick a bag on us even when he was at the Suns. Banana peel stuff
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 13, 2025, 05:54:32 pm
Semantics...discarded, let go, traded end result is the same and with E Hollands unavailable its going to bite us losing Owies and Kennedy who kicked nearly 50 between them. Kemp, Motlop, Evans and even Williams isnt a quartet I would want to rely on vs any decent opposition, two of them are injury prone and Evans is on his 3rd club after being let go by Port who are not exactly small forward talent rich other than Willie Rioli. Motlop trained well pre-season but his form in the praccy games wasnt anything that will keep the opposition awake at night and the whole question of our small forward group being an improvement on last season is unresolved Imho and I wouldnt be putting my house on them being a difference maker and I think we will need to get more goals from our midfield and wingers to make up for what we have lost now that E Hollands is out of the team. We are very lucky its Richmond tonight and not a final 8 contender or I think we would be struggling but we should win comfortably with our main danger being injuries. Our big mid stocks have been reduced and with only Cripps and Hewitt left available I hope the coaching staff look after them because we have nothing left to replace those bigger bodies in the middle.
The bottom line is that we were never going to win a premiership with Owies and Kennedy (and Akuei, Mirkov, Sam Durdin, Jack Carroll, Martin, Cuningham and Marchbank) and our list is far more capable with Haynes, Smith (next season), the Camporeales, O'Farrell and Charleson. What's the saying, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs? Perhaps we should have kept Owies and Kennedy and passed on the Camporeales and O'Farrell?
Bigger bodied midfielders are only useful if they can keep up with their opponents and Kennedy struggled to do that. They're not exactly in short supply at Princes Park either. In addition to Cripps (195cm, 93kg) and Hewett (187cm, 85kg), we have Acres (189cm, 92kg), Cerra (188cm, 87kg), Docherty (184cm, 85kg) and the injured Cincotta (186cm, 86kg).
Acres is a winger, you play him at the coalface for any length of time he will be injured, Cerra the same and he isnt a bash and crash inside mid either. Docherty is another who needs looking after and more suited to a wing and Cincotta is a utility who you can run through the middle as a tagger or relief mid but you wouldnt want to rely on him fulltime vs quality opposition midfields.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: DJC on March 13, 2025, 06:03:40 pm
The bottom line is that we were never going to win a premiership with Owies and Kennedy (and Akuei, Mirkov, Sam Durdin, Jack Carroll, Martin, Cuningham and Marchbank) and our list is far more capable with Haynes, Smith (next season), the Camporeales, O'Farrell and Charleson. What's the saying, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs? Perhaps we should have kept Owies and Kennedy and passed on the Camporeales and O'Farrell?
Bigger bodied midfielders are only useful if they can keep up with their opponents and Kennedy struggled to do that. They're not exactly in short supply at Princes Park either. In addition to Cripps (195cm, 93kg) and Hewett (187cm, 85kg), we have Acres (189cm, 92kg), Cerra (188cm, 87kg), Docherty (184cm, 85kg) and the injured Cincotta (186cm, 86kg).
Acres is a winger, you play him at the coalface for any length of time he will be injured, Cerra the same and he isnt a bash and crash inside mid either. Docherty is another who needs looking after and more suited to a wing and Cincotta is a utility who you can run through the middle as a tagger or relief mid but you wouldnt want to rely on him fulltime vs quality opposition midfields.
Well, we may as well just hand the keys back now and save the embarrassment of another spoon ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 13, 2025, 06:10:51 pm
Crippa having shots at goal on his own, 2 or 3 others joining him now
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 13, 2025, 06:20:33 pm
Acres is a winger, you play him at the coalface for any length of time he will be injured, Cerra the same and he isnt a bash and crash inside mid either. Docherty is another who needs looking after and more suited to a wing and Cincotta is a utility who you can run through the middle as a tagger or relief mid but you wouldnt want to rely on him fulltime vs quality opposition midfields.
Well, we may as well just hand the keys back now and save the embarrassment of another spoon ::)
Im not saying you need 5-6 enormous mids as we all know the game is different and the small ball midfield lineups are popular all be it not proven over the long term but only having two specialist inside mids has exposed a gap if we were to lose one now that we have moved Kennedy on and lost E. Hollands. We have numerous wingers and small forwards but a dearth in certain areas thats all Im saying...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on March 13, 2025, 06:38:33 pm
Vossy being interviewed now saying that defense is what we need to work on the most and that its been an issue for a couple years now.
......so why do we keep recruiting small forwards and ignoring the defence?!
Probably because, as yet, we've not unearthed a really dangerous small forward? Still an issue for our forward line. Who of our small forwards could walk into any top 6 side?
And when Vossy refers to defence I suspect he's referring to 'team' defence.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on March 13, 2025, 07:13:16 pm
Vossy being interviewed now saying that defense is what we need to work on the most and that its been an issue for a couple years now.
......so why do we keep recruiting small forwards and ignoring the defence?!
Probably because, as yet, we've not unearthed a really dangerous small forward? Still an issue for our forward line. Who of our small forwards could walk into any top 6 side?
And when Vossy refers to defence I suspect he's referring to 'team' defence.
Yeah, nah.
Was talking about setting up down back and getting that right and going from there. Was plenty of talk about team defence and all that too, but i think it was off the back of talking about Silvagni being switched to a defender as well.
...and call me old fashioned, but if you want to improve your defence, start with your defenders and work your way up the ground from there! Yes, small forwards can do there bit for defence, but when you start 6-6-6 and you wanna focus on defence, there is SFA your small forward can help you with at that point.