You can tell we played Richmond last week: Harry O'Farrell out with concussion. >:( >:( >:(
Was Neil Balme playing.....? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on March 21, 2025, 01:03:08 am
No list available yet. Young won't be playing after H pulled out. :(
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 08:47:26 am
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CARLTON vs BOX HILL HAWKS Friday 21 March, 7:05pm, IKON Park
CARLTON B: E. Phillips (55), C. Vickery (59), J. Boyd (37) HB: H. Charleson (28), M. Carroll (32), B. Wilson (35) C: J. Binns (25), A. Stevens (77), B. Camporeale (16) HF: W. White (38), F. Evans (44), L. Nelson (57) F: H. Lemmey (31), L. McMahon (52), A. Moir (43) R: L. Young (33), P. Dozzi (53), H. Ramshaw (51) INT: L. Prout (74), F. Riley (56), O. Badr (62), K. Ferronato (50), D. Hogg (70) 23rd Player: O. Badr (62) EMG: W. Hayes (54), O. Poole (75), D. Harvey (73), S. Phipps-Parsons (69), J. Polkinghorne (76), N. King (63), T. Logan (68), O. Warburton (78)
NEW: Ben Camporeale, 18, 186cm, Brighton/Glenelg; Harry Charleson, 18, 183cm, East Point/GWV Rebels; Francis Evans, 23, 182cm, Port Adelaide AFL; Ethan Phillips, 25, 197cm, Hawthorn; Cooper Vickery, 20, 181cm, Sydney
The other Camporeale boy is named. ;D
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: rocky on March 21, 2025, 09:05:40 am
Is this game being streamed anywhere?
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: pinot on March 21, 2025, 09:08:26 am
All matches in the 2025 Smithy’s VFL season will be live streamed free via the AFL website, AFL Live Official App and VFL App.
Smithy’s VFL broadcast partner, the Seven Network, will broadcast a match live and free on 7mate in Victoria and on 7plus Sport nationally every Saturday night. This week’s broadcast match will be Footscray Bulldogs vs Northern Bullants.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 21, 2025, 09:39:31 am
All I hope for in this game as that senior listed players (what's left of them) put up a bullet proof case for them to be selected next week. Especially small fwds.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on March 21, 2025, 02:23:38 pm
CARLTON vs BOX HILL HAWKS Friday 21 March, 7:05pm, IKON Park
CARLTON B: E. Phillips (55), C. Vickery (59), J. Boyd (37) [35 games] HB: H. Charleson (28), M. Carroll (32), B. Wilson (35) C: J. Binns (25) [3 games], A. Stevens (77), B. Camporeale (16) HF: W. White (38), F. Evans (44) [35 games - 1 with us], L. Nelson (57) F: H. Lemmey (31), L. McMahon (52), A. Moir (43) [2 games] R: L. Young (33), P. Dozzi (53), H. Ramshaw (51) INT: L. Prout (74), F. Riley (56), O. Badr (62), K. Ferronato (50), D. Hogg (70) 23rd Player: O. Badr (62) EMG: W. Hayes (54), O. Poole (75), D. Harvey (73), S. Phipps-Parsons (69), J. Polkinghorne (76), N. King (63), T. Logan (68), O. Warburton (78)
NEW: Ben Camporeale, 18, 186cm, Brighton/Glenelg; Harry Charleson, 18, 183cm, East Point/GWV Rebels; Francis Evans, 23, 182cm, Port Adelaide AFL; Ethan Phillips, 25, 197cm, Hawthorn; Cooper Vickery, 20, 181cm, Sydney
The other Camporeale boy is named. ;D
To everyone who is complaining about last nights effort. THIS is how bare our cupboard is. 4 players with AFL experience available for selection with a total of 74 games experience combined
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on March 21, 2025, 03:04:57 pm
CARLTON B: E. Phillips (55), C. Vickery (59), J. Boyd (37) HB:H. Charleson (28), M. Carroll (32), B. Wilson (35) C:J. Binns (25), A. Stevens (77), B. Camporeale (16) HF:W. White (38), F. Evans (44), L. Nelson (57) F:H. Lemmey (31), L. McMahon (52), A. Moir (43) R:L. Young (33), P. Dozzi (53), H. Ramshaw (51) INT: L. Prout (74), F. Riley (56), O. Badr (62), K. Ferronato (50), D. Hogg (70) 23rd Player: O. Badr (62) EMG: W. Hayes (54), O. Poole (75), D. Harvey (73), S. Phipps-Parsons (69), J. Polkinghorne (76), N. King (63), T. Logan (68), O. Warburton (78)
NEW: Ben Camporeale, 18, 186cm, Brighton/Glenelg; Harry Charleson, 18, 183cm, East Point/GWV Rebels; Francis Evans, 23, 182cm, Port Adelaide AFL; Ethan Phillips, 25, 197cm, Hawthorn; Cooper Vickery, 20, 181cm, Sydney
The good: We have 10 listed players playing. We didn't managed that often in 2024. We have some talent coming through. Ben C deserves his rating; he played 6 games last year at U18 level and was BOG in all of them. That says something. Our VFL listed players look slightly stronger this year. Ethan Phillips looks decent at CHB; I liked his marking last week.
Bad: As Kruddler pointed out, we have very little senior experience out there; 4 guys for less than 100 games. We also have Vickery who played at Sydney and Warburton who has been seen at this level. Other than that, we seriously lack experience and leadership. I hope Hayes plays, as he is a leader. We may have 12 AFL listed guys unavailable, but it is when you look at this that it shows just how that has affected us. Cooper Hamilton? Is he going to be like some of the no-shows that clogged our list last year? I hope not.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Professer E on March 21, 2025, 03:55:29 pm
Really excited for this, hope the youngsters do well, especially Moir and Carroll - because there's positions available in the ones
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 21, 2025, 04:36:17 pm
Really excited for this, hope the youngsters do well, especially Moir and Carroll - because there's positions available in the ones
Wondering if these two in particular can help with our ball use (sorry to harp but its my number one bugbear).
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: rocky on March 21, 2025, 04:43:17 pm
Moir will have to improve somewhat on last weeks effort. Looks lazy/unfit. Carroll looked ok until his injury late, but I guess if he's named he's recovered
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Professer E on March 21, 2025, 04:50:17 pm
Carroll is a real defender who can kick, something we haven't had for a long time Moir is a natural goal kicker, kick goals out his rrr's like all the good ones do. Takes a good grab too.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 21, 2025, 04:59:09 pm
Carroll is a real defender who can kick, something we haven't had for a long time Moir is a natural goal kicker, kick goals out his rrr's like all the good ones do. Takes a good grab too.
I think Carroll has to get a bit stronger and bigger to be a better defender as he gets pushed off the ball too easily or knocked out of the way in marking contests, his offensive game especially his kicking is ok but he is work in progress as a defender imo. Moir has all the skills but can look laconic and one of those very talented types who picks and chooses when to bring effort to his game and drifts out of games very easily. Not convinced about him long term until I see better consistency with his attitude and intensity but he would be a player I would be willing to give games to because he is so talented and has high upside.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: pinot on March 21, 2025, 05:42:20 pm
What we need is an Eljiah Hollands, Jagga Smith, Josh Rachelle, Harry Sheezel was that player in his junior years....Link between mids to forwards the last classy kick to our forwards.. unfortunately can only find these types in top 10 of the draft
Think we are trying Jesse Motlop in Elijah Hollands role and he is only starting to get used to it. But prefer him deeper but lets see how it plays out for him.
Its the final kick to our forwards lacking class.
Will White, Ashton Moir on my watch.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Baggers on March 21, 2025, 05:59:05 pm
CARLTON B: E. Phillips (55), C. Vickery (59), J. Boyd (37) HB:H. Charleson (28), M. Carroll (32), B. Wilson (35) C:J. Binns (25), A. Stevens (77), B. Camporeale (16) HF:W. White (38), F. Evans (44), L. Nelson (57) F:H. Lemmey (31), L. McMahon (52), A. Moir (43) R:L. Young (33), P. Dozzi (53), H. Ramshaw (51) INT: L. Prout (74), F. Riley (56), O. Badr (62), K. Ferronato (50), D. Hogg (70) 23rd Player: O. Badr (62) EMG: W. Hayes (54), O. Poole (75), D. Harvey (73), S. Phipps-Parsons (69), J. Polkinghorne (76), N. King (63), T. Logan (68), O. Warburton (78)
NEW: Ben Camporeale, 18, 186cm, Brighton/Glenelg; Harry Charleson, 18, 183cm, East Point/GWV Rebels; Francis Evans, 23, 182cm, Port Adelaide AFL; Ethan Phillips, 25, 197cm, Hawthorn; Cooper Vickery, 20, 181cm, Sydney
The good: We have 10 listed players playing. We didn't managed that often in 2024. We have some talent coming through. Ben C deserves his rating; he played 6 games last year at U18 level and was BOG in all of them. That says something. Our VFL listed players look slightly stronger this year. Ethan Phillips looks decent at CHB; I liked his marking last week.
Bad: As Kruddler pointed out, we have very little senior experience out there; 4 guys for less than 100 games. We also have Vickery who played at Sydney and Warburton who has been seen at this level. Other than that, we seriously lack experience and leadership. I hope Hayes plays, as he is a leader. We may have 12 AFL listed guys unavailable, but it is when you look at this that it shows just how that has affected us. Cooper Hamilton? Is he going to be like some of the no-shows that clogged our list last year? I hope not.
Yep, really looking forward to watching this game, with eyes, naturally, on senior listed players.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 07:17:27 pm
10 minutes in and Jordan Boyd is in my team next week. His boot is a weapon. :D ;)
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: rocky on March 21, 2025, 07:32:06 pm
Bloody hopeless at the moment. BH honing their skills and we're just as bad as ever
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 07:42:17 pm
Box Hill by 5 points at quarter time....30-25 (4 goals a piece)
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: rocky on March 21, 2025, 07:58:10 pm
I've seen enough. There's nothing to suggest we have anything coming through to challenge. If Boyd gets a few more kicks I'd probably entertain him as a possible. Time to watch the big boys
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: rocky on March 21, 2025, 08:14:38 pm
Back from qtr time in Footscray v scum game and I notice that Carroll isn't in the stats. So he must still be injured?
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 08:19:26 pm
Half time Box Hill 6-8-44 lead Carlton 4-3-27
We scored 2 points that quarter.
Will Hayes our top possession winner with 14 Boyd has 11 and a host of players including Binns and White on 9 Boyd taking most of the kickouts and nearly always hitting targets going at 90% Binns on the other hand is at 44%
Ben Camporeale is on the team list but no stats to date and hasn't been sighted so I'm assuming he's the sub. Be interesting if he gives them a spark when he comes on,
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 08:30:32 pm
Campo starting the third.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 09:01:11 pm
3/4 time Box Hill 9-11-65 v Carlton 6-4- 40
Camporeale's had it a couple of times but no real influence at this stage.
Apart from Boyd nothing looking likely for a promotion. Lemmey is a mile off. Not sure whether Moir got injured but he's been unsighted since kicking a goal early Binns-poor disposal.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: rocky on March 21, 2025, 09:05:58 pm
Just switched over during 1/2 time in the big game in time to see Frank Evans lining up for a shot on goal. Then without any idea why (commentators are totally shizen) the kick was reversed, a 50m pen was then applied and the whores kicked a goal at the other end. Free kick whorethorn umpires even in the reserves!
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: pinot on March 21, 2025, 09:08:23 pm
Moir, Lemmey, Wilson in no mans land
VFL boys will get five AFL listed players next week though.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 09:10:43 pm
Goal to Lemmey early in the last. Haven't minded the game of the big ruckman Riley.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Professer E on March 21, 2025, 09:11:09 pm
If Binns can't kick why is he still on the list?
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 09:13:35 pm
Camporeale working into the game
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 09:15:14 pm
He's getting a lot of the ball but his disposal tonight has been poor.
He's not on his lonesome. Turn over city.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on March 21, 2025, 09:20:15 pm
46 - 78 now. Shizen.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: rocky on March 21, 2025, 09:23:12 pm
Navy, or Lods for that matter, if you're still watching the game just updates on how Boyd or Campo are going please.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Professer E on March 21, 2025, 09:26:13 pm
Problem with Binns is that his disposal is poor....consistently poor. The rest of his game is good but ball use is our big issue and he won't make it better.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 09:30:36 pm
Navy, or Lods for that matter, if you're still watching the game just updates on how Boyd or Campo are going please.
Boyd's been pretty good for most of the night but has made a couple of errors in the last. Has had a lot of ball Camporeale's had 10 possessions so far in the last
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on March 21, 2025, 09:31:33 pm
Navy, or Lods for that matter, if you're still watching the game just updates on how Boyd or Campo are going please.
Campo got his hands on it, but TO too often IMO
Boyd's leadership was obvious. His disposal was inconsistent. Perhaps a bit rusty.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 09:31:55 pm
We were well behind but are making a charge at the moment. 10 points behind with a shot on goal to come. 4 points behind Wishing we'd picked up Mc Mahon now... 4-goals!
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 21, 2025, 09:36:22 pm
Lost by 4 BH 11-14- 80 Carlton 12-4-76
Boyd had 23 at 82% efficiency, a few errors but, probably enough to earn a senior spot.
Camporeale had 13 (10 in the last) but also a 'few' errors (46% disposal) Needs a few weeks at this level but hopefully a whole game next time around.
Moir got a goal in the last and gave another one away but with seven disposals nowhere near enough.
Binns-had 21 disposals but not a very pretty 21. Evans, White, Wilson didn't do enough for promotion.
Lemmey...Not for a while yet...possibly a long while.
Of the Non-Carlton listed. Will Hayes had a ton of ball, Liked the ruckman Riley, McMahon 4 goals and Matty Hogg's boy Darcy went OK.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on March 21, 2025, 09:38:09 pm
Big come back, but we fail by 4 points. Not bad considering how little experience we have out there.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on March 21, 2025, 09:41:06 pm
We were well behind but are making a charge at the moment. 10 points behind with a shot on goal to come. 4 points behind Wishing we'd picked up Mc Mahon now... 4-goals!
If only someone was jumping up and down about this at the time it was relevant! If only.....
Instead we add a small forward nobody else has an interest in and won't get a look in on his first year on the list. Makes sense......in some alternate reality maybe ?! Well he barracked for carlton, so thats a good enough reason......apparantly. /end sarcasm.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Adelaideblue on March 21, 2025, 09:47:22 pm
When our 1st team are so short of players who can kick goals, why haven't we given Liam McMahon a try. If a player can consistently kick goals at VFL level, a reasonable bet he could be handy and do some damage as a third forward. Presume our recruiters and coaches think otherwise.
Ab
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on March 21, 2025, 09:48:47 pm
Too little too late unfortunately. Good fightback q4. Deceivingly reasonable DE. Only 4 players under 63%. Lemmey, Campo Binns. Boyd 83%
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on March 21, 2025, 09:50:52 pm
When our 1st team are so short of players who can kick goals, why haven't we given Liam McMahon a try. If a player can consistently kick goals at VFL level, a reasonable bet he could be handy and do some damage as a third forward. Presume our recruiters and coaches think otherwise.
Ab
The great unsolved mystery of the last quarter century 😉
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: JonDorotich on March 21, 2025, 09:52:46 pm
A couple of observations
Jordan Boyd a little rusty but probably enough for a call up.
For those calling for Lemmey to come into our senior side, he’s a mile off it - he simply gets pushed aside way too easily. Nice kicking style, plenty of run but needs more time in the gym.
Ben Camporeale can get the ball but he has a very awkward ball drop/kicking style that could be prone to inaccuracy. He’s a watch.
Moir all class but just didn’t get involved often enough. Not enough to warrant a senior call up and needs to increase his intensity.
Francis Evans/Will White - VFL is the perfect fit for both. A complete and utter mystery why these guys are on our senior list.
Billy Wilson needs to execute simple plays more consistently. A work in progress.
Harry Charleson didn’t see him often enough to comment.
All in all not a lot to get excited about!
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: JonDorotich on March 21, 2025, 09:54:58 pm
Jordan Boyd a little rusty but probably enough for a call up.
For those calling for Lemmey to come into our senior side, he’s a mile off it - he simply gets pushed aside way too easily. Nice kicking style, plenty of run but needs more time in the gym.
Ben Camporeale can get the ball but he has a very awkward ball drop/kicking style that could be prone to inaccuracy. He’s a watch.
Moir all class but just didn’t get involved often enough. Not enough to warrant a senior call up and needs to increase his intensity.
Francis Evans/Will White - VFL is the perfect fit for both. A complete and utter mystery why these guys are on our senior list.
Billy Wilson needs to execute simple plays more consistently. A work in progress.
Harry Charleson didn’t see him often enough to comment.
All in all not a lot to get excited about!
Agree with all that, Boyd is the only player who earned a call up IMHO.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on March 21, 2025, 10:00:45 pm
Agree with all that, Boyd is the only player who earned a call up IMHO.
I didn't watch the match, but I'd just about bet my left nut on this being the outcome based on the team listed on paper. Very poor line-up. Cupboard is bare
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 21, 2025, 10:05:14 pm
Agree with all that, Boyd is the only player who earned a call up IMHO.
I didn't watch the match, but I'd just about bet my left nut on this being the outcome based on the team listed on paper. Very poor line-up. Cupboard is bare
Agree...McMahon would be the other player under consideration but for reasons only the recruiting dept would know we took Frank the Blank stat sheet instead.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on March 21, 2025, 10:10:10 pm
I didn't watch the match, but I'd just about bet my left nut on this being the outcome based on the team listed on paper. Very poor line-up. Cupboard is bare
Agree...McMahon would be the other player under consideration but for reasons only the recruiting dept would know we took Frank the Blank stat sheet instead.
Frank is bad enough, but will white after that has me completely stuffed!
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Baggers on March 22, 2025, 09:14:00 am
Well, and not wanting to be obtuse or contrary, I actually enjoyed the game whilst chowing down on my rocket salad, with pecorino cheese, smoked oysters in mineral water, organic tomatoes, olive oil with a dash of balsamic vinegar -- pies are a once a week guilty pleasure reserved for watching the seniors!
Boyd was a highlight. His enthusiasm results in the occasional blue -- so what, he takes the game on -- but his 50 metre darts (better than 80% accuracy) broke lines and created opportunities.
Confused by the admiration for McMahon. Yes, a truly brilliant kick for goal and takes a good mark, but as was shown when competing with seniors in the pre season he's still got plenty to learn about ground work, second efforts and competing with stronger bodies.
Comparisons between White and Evans are, unfair. Plenty to work with regarding White, got plenty of the aggott, has good disposal and hits the scoreboard. Evans, IMHO, is behind White and confuses me as to his adding to the list. Sorry but Evans, on last night's effort, is even pretty average at VFL level.
Lemmey? Oh dear. Moir? Good impact player but much, much more needed. Binns? Gets plenty of it but needs a helluva lot of work on decision making and disposal. Billy Wilson? Sorry, still not seeing it.
Darcy Hogg is coming along nicely, big improvement already on last year. Fingers crossed. Ben Camporeale had immediate impact. Rusty as all get out... his first few foot passes were shockers but as the game wore on, and remember, he only played a half, his impact improved and increased. In fact he scored the most Fantasy Points of any player on the ground in a half of footy... had he produced what he did in that half over four qtrs, he'd have had easily the most Fantasy Points of any player on the ground!!!
And my mantra on efficiency was on display last night... we were efficient in front of goal and the Dawks were shockers - kept us in the game. And that provided us with the opportunity when, in the last qtr we went on the attack in waves through the guts, we almost snatched it. Wouldn't have deserved it but it's amazing how efficiency, even you're down in other areas, can keep you in the game - scoreboard wise... the stat that matters most.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2025, 10:12:40 am
Confused by the admiration for McMahon. Yes, a truly brilliant kick for goal and takes a good mark, but as was shown when competing with seniors in the pre season he's still got plenty to learn about ground work, second efforts and competing with stronger bodies.
Comparisons between White and Evans are, unfair. Plenty to work with regarding White, got plenty of the aggott, has good disposal and hits the scoreboard. Evans, IMHO, is behind White and confuses me as to his adding to the list. Sorry but Evans, on last night's effort, is even pretty average at VFL level.
You've answered your own question in these paragraphs.
White is not AFL ready, Evans is. I wouldn't have used picks on either, but rather McMahon due to the dearth of talent in the KPP on the senior list.
We have nobody of KP size between 22 and 26 apart from TDK our 1st choice ruck and Kemp who isn't actually a KPP.
McMahon fills a hole on our list and ticks some boxes. Evans and White both fill a spot on our list, not a hole.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: JonDorotich on March 22, 2025, 10:57:36 am
The guy that caught my eye the most was a guy on Box Hills list Ethan Stanley, aggression and pace.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 22, 2025, 11:52:25 am
McMahon has showed ability at both ends of the ground and is fairly consistent. We all know his weakness in terms of second efforts but a good coaching staff could improve that area of his game and this is what the rookie list is for. By all means select White but McMahon has more ability and strings to his bow than Evans who has been tried and failed at two clubs and his was a bizarre selection imo. Charlie was played unfit and that's because we had no other viable backup...bad for Charlie and bad for the team. Voss and Austin need to lift their game and be accountable for these continual poor list management failures.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Baggers on March 22, 2025, 01:07:33 pm
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!
Anyone know more about him?
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 22, 2025, 01:22:38 pm
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!
Thought he was pretty mobile too. Also able to get down for some ground ball as well.
He's been overlooked in a couple of drafts but here's a report from an underage match a few seasons back.
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Flynn Riley It was a massive day at the office for the ruckman, who won his individual battle with Tassie’s talls and played a crucial role in getting the Knights over the line in dramatic fashion. Riley recorded a whopping 49 hitouts, and his placement was simply terrific, allowing the Northern midfielders to take the ball on the run and get it forward as fast as possible. His work around the ground was just as impressive, slotting a pair of goals including a clutch major via snap to put the Knights within a point with just minutes remaining. Riley was a central figure for the Knights getting over the line, and stamped his authority on the contest across all four quarters.
Keep an eye on him. ;)
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on March 22, 2025, 01:50:24 pm
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!
Anyone know more about him?
He played last year for Greensborough in the Northern league after spending 2022 and 2023 at the Northern Knights. We had him on our list last year, but he didn't play. Mind you, we also had Jed Brereton (ruckman from Bendigo) on the list and he played 1 game (a practice game at that). He has been working with Matt Kreuzer for a while now and appears to have some upside. He doesn't quite have the body yet, he struggled against Reeves last night late in the game in this area, but he is improving. He also has more game sense than Mirkov.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: pew2 on March 22, 2025, 02:07:49 pm
who are our quick strong players in ressies ,i watched first Q and can see how bad our recruiting is .I am sorry but a player like Binns for example is just to small (what has he got) he would not get a game in any AFL side. look at hawks recruiting bigger stronger quicker starts in reserves and Austin gives us francis and haynes WOW
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Baggers on March 22, 2025, 04:43:35 pm
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!
Anyone know more about him?
He played last year for Greensborough in the Northern league after spending 2022 and 2023 at the Northern Knights. We had him on our list last year, but he didn't play. Mind you, we also had Jed Brereton (ruckman from Bendigo) on the list and he played 1 game (a practice game at that). He has been working with Matt Kreuzer for a while now and appears to have some upside. He doesn't quite have the body yet, he struggled against Reeves last night late in the game in this area, but he is improving. He also has more game sense than Mirkov.
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!
Anyone know more about him?
He played last year for Greensborough in the Northern league after spending 2022 and 2023 at the Northern Knights. We had him on our list last year, but he didn't play. Mind you, we also had Jed Brereton (ruckman from Bendigo) on the list and he played 1 game (a practice game at that). He has been working with Matt Kreuzer for a while now and appears to have some upside. He doesn't quite have the body yet, he struggled against Reeves last night late in the game in this area, but he is improving. He also has more game sense than Mirkov.
That's what really stood out to me, Capt Crash. Game sense. He stays engaged with the game, we like that. Footy IQ. Way ahead of the Mirk. And when the aggott was on the grass he could get down amongst it as well. There was a moment in the game where we had the ball around HB, under real heat from the Dawks, and the defender -- to avoid getting tackled -- handballed to Flynn and I immediately thought, "Oh sh*t, you don't handball to a ruckman!!!" Flynn didn't flinch (??), instantly sized up the best option and disposed accurately by foot to a team mate. So from then on I watched him more closely... definite potential. One to watch.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Baggers on March 22, 2025, 04:54:48 pm
Confused by the admiration for McMahon. Yes, a truly brilliant kick for goal and takes a good mark, but as was shown when competing with seniors in the pre season he's still got plenty to learn about ground work, second efforts and competing with stronger bodies.
Comparisons between White and Evans are, unfair. Plenty to work with regarding White, got plenty of the aggott, has good disposal and hits the scoreboard. Evans, IMHO, is behind White and confuses me as to his adding to the list. Sorry but Evans, on last night's effort, is even pretty average at VFL level.
You've answered your own question in these paragraphs.
White is not AFL ready, Evans is. I wouldn't have used picks on either, but rather McMahon due to the dearth of talent in the KPP on the senior list.
We have nobody of KP size between 22 and 26 apart from TDK our 1st choice ruck and Kemp who isn't actually a KPP.
McMahon fills a hole on our list and ticks some boxes. Evans and White both fill a spot on our list, not a hole.
Nuh. We're going to have to agree to disagree - one of the beauties of humans with differing perspectives.
The powers-to-be saw Evans and White ahead of McMahon for a reason. And we can only speculate as to why, but they obviously had their reasons. In the fullness of time, Grasshopper, we may understand why ;)
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 22, 2025, 05:10:29 pm
You've answered your own question in these paragraphs.
White is not AFL ready, Evans is. I wouldn't have used picks on either, but rather McMahon due to the dearth of talent in the KPP on the senior list.
We have nobody of KP size between 22 and 26 apart from TDK our 1st choice ruck and Kemp who isn't actually a KPP.
McMahon fills a hole on our list and ticks some boxes. Evans and White both fill a spot on our list, not a hole.
Nuh. We're going to have to agree to disagree - one of the beauties of humans with differing perspectives.
The powers-to-be saw Evans and White ahead of McMahon for a reason. And we can only speculate as to why, but they obviously had their reasons. In the fullness of time, Grasshopper, we may understand why ;)
The powers at be got it wrong imo and we ended up playing an unfit Charlie Curnow due to zero alternatives who contributed nothing and not for the first time have we played an unfit Charlie.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2025, 05:30:42 pm
Nuh. We're going to have to agree to disagree - one of the beauties of humans with differing perspectives.
The powers-to-be saw Evans and White ahead of McMahon for a reason. And we can only speculate as to why, but they obviously had their reasons. In the fullness of time, Grasshopper, we may understand why ;)
The powers at be got it wrong imo and we ended up playing an unfit Charlie Curnow due to zero alternatives who contributed nothing and not for the first time have we played an unfit Charlie.
Yep, the powers that be are certainly not infallable, far from it. A fact they prove more often than i'd like.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Thryleon on March 22, 2025, 07:43:18 pm
They've been wrong alot this season. Thus far our most competent key forward of 2025 spent 3 quarters of the game against Richmond at cente half back.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2025, 07:32:26 am
Nuh. We're going to have to agree to disagree - one of the beauties of humans with differing perspectives.
The powers-to-be saw Evans and White ahead of McMahon for a reason. And we can only speculate as to why, but they obviously had their reasons. In the fullness of time, Grasshopper, we may understand why ;)
The powers at be got it wrong imo and we ended up playing an unfit Charlie Curnow due to zero alternatives who contributed nothing and not for the first time have we played an unfit Charlie.
Whether or not the powers to be got it right or wrong is only something time will tell. I suspect the issue with Charles is simply that he was fit to play, but hadn't played in a 'real' game for 6 months - so wasn't match fit and the only way to get him match fit is play him. Then there's expectation. We expect Charles to be, well, Charles... to kick miracle goals and set the place alight. Personally, I didn't have that expectation... first game (as mentioned) in six months, all I was looking for was competitiveness and to get through the game unscathed.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2025, 07:51:20 am
They've been wrong alot this season. Thus far our most competent key forward of 2025 spent 3 quarters of the game against Richmond at cente half back.
No argument here, 3 Leos. But there are stated reasons and then our guesses and opinions. JSOS wanted to have a go down back - seemed reasonable, so we gave it a lash. And he did okay. However, with no Charles in that Tiggers game and a timid performance from H, and Kemp offering precious little we turned to JSOS... and were reminded of his importance to our side and his footy IQ and passion for the jumper when he arrived back where he should probably stay. Seems to me, and I hope I'm right, we're playing the long game - experimenting. But if I'm wrong, then we're in strife. My fear is that we're one-dimensional (contested/pressure game only) and lacking offensive/creative quick ball movement and run getting the aggott to the outside... which brings other blokes into the game. My bigger fear is that without Crippa and TDK we'd be right royally rooted the way we play at present.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2025, 08:06:27 am
The powers at be got it wrong imo and we ended up playing an unfit Charlie Curnow due to zero alternatives who contributed nothing and not for the first time have we played an unfit Charlie.
Yep, the powers that be are certainly not infallable, far from it. A fact they prove more often than i'd like.
More often than any of us would like. We seem to be the masters of inconsistency, in quarters, games and even in seasons. Though, to be fair, we're reasonably consistent with where we finish at seasons end ...6-12. Reality: The very best and most accurate feedback you get in a game is the scoreboard. The very best and most accurate feedback you get in any season, at any stage, is your ladder position and %. At this moment we're 12th.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 23, 2025, 08:23:18 am
A lot of the talk from Voss and others seem to be along "the staying the path" lines. At the moment there is also a bit of "it's not where we want to be, Not how we want to be defined" So we're falling short of the plan and expectations
I suspect there is a style and level of play they aspire to that they feel will be successful and that requires an emphasis on certain types of players at the expense of others. The selection of certain players over others seems bizarre in some (many) cases. Supporters are banging their heads on the wall at some of the selections.
But these aren't dumb men. Some have more football experience in their little fingers than we have in our whole bodies. They wouldn't get, and retain jobs, without that knowledge and experience. So we have to assume there is a 'cunning' plan...It looks vastly different to other clubs just at the moment, and has been derailed to a large extent in the last 12 months by a lack of avalability.
For a plan to work it needs not only the blueprint but also the structure which develops over a period of consistency and a group playing together. I don't know why they would go for players like Evans and White over a McMahon. I would have gone for Mc Mahon. I have real doubts that makes me a smarter football operator than Austin
I doubt they flipped a coin. The boys might have pictures of the MC and Austin in compromising positions. I suspect it was more a case of watching all of them over a period of months and assessing multiple aspects of their make-up and how they could contribute to a long term plan.
Will that plan lead to success. A lot will depend on the buy-in by players. They have to believe. It will also depend to a very large extent on luck, especially with injuries. A settled group, close to full strength and playing multiple games together is a big part of the recipe.
But there is one thing that impacts on any plan. And that is time. It's not infinite, and the current coaching/recruiting group have used up a fair bit. Injuries last year were a solid reason for our falling away. It's not an excuse that gets a second run. Making the eight is the bare minimum. Otherwise it'll be time for the next 'cunning' plan. (Perhaps Blackadder as coach and Baldrick to do the recruiting) :D
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on March 23, 2025, 08:43:59 am
I think the cunning plan is to recruit players to improve our best 22 or put pressure on those who are borderline best 22.
Which isn't a terrible idea.
Problem is, it seems to be coming at the expense of depth on other areas. Which is very much exposed when you get injuries in the wrong areas. It's a crap shoot.
Small/medium forward is an area of weakness, so we keep adding small forwards to give us options there. Williams Motlop E. Hollands Cottrell Fogarty Durdin Evans White Moir
Meanwhile at key forward... Harry Charlie Kemp/sos .....and players who haven't played a game and honestly most never will.
We can get 5 injuries at small/medium forward before we start to get worried. We can't get 1 injury at key forward before we are in strife.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: pinot on March 23, 2025, 08:51:00 am
After two rounds and not a huge sample size - points against + clearances + stoppages + contested football is top four and only GWS is better.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 23, 2025, 09:18:43 am
After two rounds and not a huge sample size - points against + clearances + stoppages + contested football is top four and only GWS is better.
It is a little strange, isn't it. Statistically we were superior to Richmond in most important areas We matched it with the Hawks
But there was one glaring area of weakness "Efficiency"
Definitely is - foundation of tough, defensive contested football is there early in the season.
Now its up to the players to stay durable and some tweaks to ball movement. Zac, Saad, Cerra and Gov should be designated players delivering ball inside 50 and efficiency will also improve when Charlie is match fit and H returns from illness.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on March 23, 2025, 01:15:00 pm
After two rounds and not a huge sample size - points against + clearances + stoppages + contested football is top four and only GWS is better.
This is why you don't make knee jerk reactions and declaire 'season over' after round 2.
Lions had a worse start, and were playing worse, this time last year and won the flag.
Stay the course. The tide will turn.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Thryleon on March 23, 2025, 01:41:18 pm
I dont think its comparable. They were coming off a grand final close loss, they played good teams to start the year only losing against freo in freo who weren't a finalist and Collingwood at home (mental scars). Everyone else played finals, and when they came against an easy beat in North knocked the stuffing out of them.
They also have the gabba which is a relative fortress which gives them a mental edge and they win at most of the time.
Thats not to say our season is done, but that tigers loss is one that can severely hurt you later because it dot points your fragility as a team against a poor side who brought the heat.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 23, 2025, 02:57:53 pm
After two rounds and not a huge sample size - points against + clearances + stoppages + contested football is top four and only GWS is better.
It is a little strange, isn't it. Statistically we were superior to Richmond in most important areas We matched it with the Hawks
But there was one glaring area of weakness "Efficiency"
You get that when your players cant hit targets especially under pressure and the default game plan is bomb it on the heads of our forwards. We dont have many good kicks in the team and thats been the case for a while and some of our better players are in that category....
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: LP on March 23, 2025, 05:54:16 pm
You get that when your players cant hit targets especially under pressure and the default game plan is bomb it on the heads of our forwards. We dont have many good kicks in the team and thats been the case for a while and some of our better players are in that category....
It's unmistakable now.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 23, 2025, 06:01:24 pm
Lloyd threw up the question of who the three best ball users are for the Blues,
King said our top 8 ball users went at 56%. He reckons DE is bullship until it's bad, that is DE can be inflated (high) when you 10m passes. But when it's low or bad, it means youre not even hitting the basic kicks. Thats Carlton in a nutshell, not doing the basics well ATM.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: LP on March 23, 2025, 09:47:15 pm
A natural variation is in the 3% to 5% range, when you're 10% to 15% behind the opposition it's nearly always a problem.
Nthmond had about 10% better DE but it felt more because we burnt about 50 extra disposals, that's the scoreboard difference if you think about kick to handball ratios, we had more disposals but we had more wasted disposals.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton
Post by: Lods on March 24, 2025, 03:46:46 pm
I missed Charleson in my thoughts on the game. He probably learnt a trick or two playing on an experienced player like Breust. It may be some time before he earns a senior call-up but it can't be a bad thing getting experience with those types of player.