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Title: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on March 23, 2025, 09:51:10 am
The Dogs have injury issues similar to ours, yet could claim to be playing better. We can't score at the moment to save our lives.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 23, 2025, 12:19:15 pm
We will get rogered by umpires given they will want to square up with WBs after rogering them this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: rocky on March 23, 2025, 12:21:51 pm
The changes I would make if I had any idea about football would be as follows;
I suggested it last week and I'll say it again. Acres (who's not having a great start to the year) to the HBF at the expense of Haynes. It's probably the easiest and best place on the ground to recover some lost form. Although watching Haynes you wouldn't know it. To suggest he was better this week than last week is basically, to me, saying he's gone from absolutely horrific to just really bad. P!$$ him off. He's an embarrassment.
Lewis Young unfortunately has to stay. We just don't have anyone else because Jack has to stay forward and we need someone to cover Naughton. Kemp I'm afraid needs to be dropped. We've sent his confidence plummeting by playing him forward much like we did with Weitering a few years back.
Speaking of Weitering, he has to be played on the kid Darcy. No more of this hiding him on a lesser light so that he can impact out of D50. Play the best back on the best forward. We saw what happened with Young on Chol last game. Made a spud look a star.
Bring Boyd in. Just someone who could hit up a target from 20m away. Probably a bit underdone, but like Charlie, play him into fitness. He can take Ollie's spot and Ollie goes to the wing in place of the badly out of form Acres.
There's no-one else I saw in the magoos worthy of a call up although I didn't see Ben Campo come on as I only watched until 1/2 time
I guess Harry comes back in. No real confidence in his form either. One thing I would do is have him as the relief ruckman for TDK instead of Cripps/Young. Think him on the ball may help him get back some form. I also wouldn't take TDK off. I'd rest him up forward.
None of this will pan out I'm sure as the selectors, who I'm sure moonlight as selectors of the the Australian cricket team, will make the one change. Probably Harry back in at the expense of a goer like Lord to make way.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2025, 12:28:27 pm
The Dogs have injury issues similar to ours, yet could claim to be playing better. We can't score at the moment to save our lives.
Lewis Young may just have the most challenging opponent of his career!
Every game is important, but when you're winless the next game has extra significance... now there's a statement of the bleedin' obvious!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on March 23, 2025, 12:53:54 pm
Darcy will kick 4-5 goals no matter who plays on him. Defend well, contest tough and hard and give forwards a chance to score. Hopefully H comes back - I have a viral infection now for five days but its improving expect an elite athlete will be at full training this week. Play Zac a little deeper because we need his kicking skills
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on March 23, 2025, 01:05:50 pm
You don't drop young for a game against his old mob.
Plus first 10 minutes aside he played one of his better games last week.
Wrong reign to pull to drop him. Boyd in is a must. I'd be looking at lucas as he blew up badly against the Hawks. Nothing wrong with that. He's got the endeavour and future capability there but not every player can hit the ground running at the level.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 23, 2025, 01:12:59 pm
You don't drop young for a game against his old mob.
Plus first 10 minutes aside he played one of his better games last week.
Wrong reign to pull to drop him. Boyd in is a must. I'd be looking at lucas as he blew up badly against the Hawks. Nothing wrong with that. He's got the endeavour and future capability there but not every player can hit the ground running at the level.
Problem is, Young only came into the team because Harry was sick.
If we bring Harry back, we become too top heavy. We already lack run, that just makes it worse.
Unless you wanna drop Haynes, Kemp, Silvagni.....which i think are all better options than Young. Probably will be kemp who gets the short straw. Seems its always Kemp.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on March 23, 2025, 01:43:06 pm
You don't drop young for a game against his old mob.
Plus first 10 minutes aside he played one of his better games last week.
Wrong reign to pull to drop him. Boyd in is a must. I'd be looking at lucas as he blew up badly against the Hawks. Nothing wrong with that. He's got the endeavour and future capability there but not every player can hit the ground running at the level.
Problem is, Young only came into the team because Harry was sick.
If we bring Harry back, we become too top heavy. We already lack run, that just makes it worse.
Unless you wanna drop Haynes, Kemp, Silvagni.....which i think are all better options than Young. Probably will be kemp who gets the short straw. Seems its always Kemp.
Haynes would be my first out.
Kemp second.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 23, 2025, 02:26:09 pm
You don't drop young for a game against his old mob.
Plus first 10 minutes aside he played one of his better games last week.
Wrong reign to pull to drop him. Boyd in is a must. I'd be looking at lucas as he blew up badly against the Hawks. Nothing wrong with that. He's got the endeavour and future capability there but not every player can hit the ground running at the level.
I agree Thry, I reckon he needs to be persisted with until he gets his confidence back and gets the job right. Its a position that we have zero cover for so leave him in their and coach him into form in the seniors.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 23, 2025, 02:45:10 pm
Young is a dud but so is Haynes but Young has the height we need to at least get close to Darcy although it will need double team help from someone like McGovern to restrict Darcy so Id be dropping Haynes and id probably give Lucas Campo a rest too. Boyd and Harry back in and hoping Charlie is a bit fitter this week. Dogs have the big talls up front but so do we and Harry will probably get slugger Lobb for company and Charlie might get Khamis/O'Donnell and thats where we can take advantage if we can get the ball down forward often enough. Treloar, Weightman, Bont, Jones, JJ is a fair bit of talent missing and if we cant knock them over this game we never will. Bevo is equally under pressure like Voss and who ever loses is probably going to be the media's coach of the week whipping boy so Im expecting our star players to take advantage of the Dogs lack of stars and give Voss some relief and at least some confidence heading into the Collingwood game which will be an epic struggle imo. Blues by 17 points over the Dogs...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 23, 2025, 03:21:42 pm
Young is a dud but so is Haynes but Young has the height we need to at least get close to Darcy although it will need double team help from someone like McGovern to restrict Darcy so Id be dropping Haynes and id probably give Lucas Campo a rest too. Boyd and Harry back in and hoping Charlie is a bit fitter this week. Dogs have the big talls up front but so do we and Harry will probably get slugger Lobb for company and Charlie might get Khamis/O'Donnell and thats where we can take advantage if we can get the ball down forward often enough. Treloar, Weightman, Bont, Jones, JJ is a fair bit of talent missing and if we cant knock them over this game we never will. Bevo is equally under pressure like Voss and who ever loses is probably going to be the media's coach of the week whipping boy so Im expecting our star players to take advantage of the Dogs lack of stars and give Voss some relief and at least some confidence heading into the Collingwood game which will be an epic struggle imo. Blues by 17 points over the Dogs...
Believe it or not, I still hold out hope for Young. Haynes should never ever don a Carlton jumper ever again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2025, 08:15:46 pm
You don't drop young for a game against his old mob.
Plus first 10 minutes aside he played one of his better games last week.
Wrong reign to pull to drop him. Boyd in is a must. I'd be looking at lucas as he blew up badly against the Hawks. Nothing wrong with that. He's got the endeavour and future capability there but not every player can hit the ground running at the level.
Problem is, Young only came into the team because Harry was sick.
If we bring Harry back, we become too top heavy. We already lack run, that just makes it worse.
Unless you wanna drop Haynes, Kemp, Silvagni.....which i think are all better options than Young. Probably will be kemp who gets the short straw. Seems its always Kemp.
Haynes or Kemp? Does it really matter? No way you'd even consider removing JSOS from our side.
Young and Weiters will have their work cut out for them quelling Darcy and Naughton. But there's probably a numpty on our MC who'd back in Kemp and Haynes to handle these two ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 23, 2025, 09:53:53 pm
If "H" is back I think Young is out, the debate becomes pointless, when you look from the other perspective the bulk of Young intercept possessions would have been statistical clangers for the Dawks.
Some fans will defend Young saying he still had to get to the right places, into the space and hold the mark, he had to get into the space because if he got with arms reach of Chol the contest was over.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: deepbluesee on March 24, 2025, 07:42:09 am
Was hoping to face the Doggies without Lobb, was sure he would go for the hit on Cox. 'Accidental', I didn't think that was an excuse when you hit head high, and especially when you draw blood.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 24, 2025, 09:48:35 am
Was hoping to face the Doggies without Lobb, was sure he would go for the hit on Cox. 'Accidental', I didn't think that was an excuse when you hit head high, and especially when you draw blood.
That outcome was probably set the moment the commentators started calling it as "He missed the footy", but it didn't look like a realistic attempt to me.
Some of you will recall when Enright missed the footy by about a metre and cleaned up Warnock, Enright wasn't even reported either!
We've seen some seriously bizarre decisions this weekend, it's the new world we live in!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 24, 2025, 12:49:07 pm
Was hoping to face the Doggies without Lobb, was sure he would go for the hit on Cox. 'Accidental', I didn't think that was an excuse when you hit head high, and especially when you draw blood.
That outcome was probably set the moment the commentators started calling it as "He missed the footy", but it didn't look like a realistic attempt to me.
Some of you will recall when Enright missed the footy by about a metre and cleaned up Warnock, Enright wasn't even reported either!
We've seen some seriously bizarre decisions this weekend, it's the new world we live in!
It was an attempted spoil that missed every day of the week and twice on Sundays, a football accident. Dunno what the Enright one has to do with this one.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 24, 2025, 02:17:19 pm
Was hoping to face the Doggies without Lobb, was sure he would go for the hit on Cox. 'Accidental', I didn't think that was an excuse when you hit head high, and especially when you draw blood.
That outcome was probably set the moment the commentators started calling it as "He missed the footy", but it didn't look like a realistic attempt to me.
Some of you will recall when Enright missed the footy by about a metre and cleaned up Warnock, Enright wasn't even reported either!
We've seen some seriously bizarre decisions this weekend, it's the new world we live in!
Lobb is a large human but has never been known for violent play or anything nasty in my memory and in fact has probably been accused of being more on the timid side for a player of his dimensions so it would be out of character for him to belt Cox deliberately imho and Id be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on the intent factor. Its whether any head high contact including accidental is automatically a suspension or is each case judged on merit and more likely the past history of the players involved?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pew2 on March 24, 2025, 03:28:36 pm
bring in Quicks ,tackles tackles, pressure and kemp to defence
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 24, 2025, 03:55:05 pm
Some of you will recall when Enright missed the footy by about a metre and cleaned up Warnock, Enright wasn't even reported either!
Thought that was Bartell who hit him. Was at the game with a Geelong mate of mine. Said there was no contact at the time. A night in hospital with concussion suggested otherwise.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: cookie2 on March 24, 2025, 04:52:08 pm
I’d never seen Lobb hit anyone before or even be that aggressive but he sure looked like he made a beeline for Cox this time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: tonyo on March 25, 2025, 08:56:03 am
I cannot believe how underdone we look. Some of the other teams are playing out of their brains, while we try to remember how to play footy again.
What are we not doing over summer?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 25, 2025, 12:20:54 pm
I cannot believe how underdone we look. Some of the other teams are playing out of their brains, while we try to remember how to play footy again.
What are we not doing over summer?
Someone will be able to confirm for sure, but i seem to remember that we were focussing on power this off-season. It seems to be at the expense of our endurance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 25, 2025, 03:30:02 pm
I cannot believe how underdone we look. Some of the other teams are playing out of their brains, while we try to remember how to play footy again.
What are we not doing over summer?
The opposition tactics in general have changed, before we had to compete with just one or two opponents playing the chaos style game for just a quarter here or there, now the bulk of the competition have turned it into the default four quarter game style.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 25, 2025, 05:42:55 pm
I cannot believe how underdone we look. Some of the other teams are playing out of their brains, while we try to remember how to play footy again.
What are we not doing over summer?
Someone will be able to confirm for sure, but i seem to remember that we were focussing on power this off-season. It seems to be at the expense of our endurance.
I think when you are a slow team and you tire the endurance angle gets magnified, not sure our players have over powered anyone yet either apart from TDK who looks to have got stronger.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 25, 2025, 05:43:04 pm
I cannot believe how underdone we look. Some of the other teams are playing out of their brains, while we try to remember how to play footy again.
What are we not doing over summer?
Someone will be able to confirm for sure, but i seem to remember that we were focussing on power this off-season. It seems to be at the expense of our endurance.
Probably need to wait a bit longer to see how this pans out. It's not really an either or thing. And I doubt we've seen the benefits of the training in these early stages...that may well come. It's also about finding the balance between the two.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 25, 2025, 07:24:40 pm
Someone will be able to confirm for sure, but i seem to remember that we were focussing on power this off-season. It seems to be at the expense of our endurance.
Probably need to wait a bit longer to see how this pans out. It's not really an either or thing. And I doubt we've seen the benefits of the training in these early stages...that may well come. It's also about finding the balance between the two.
I just found it an odd claim from the club to focus on our strength, and not on our weakness.
The games we got embarrassed was not because we were overpowerred, but largely because we had rings run around us. A trend that has continued thus far this year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 25, 2025, 07:48:06 pm
Probably need to wait a bit longer to see how this pans out. It's not really an either or thing. And I doubt we've seen the benefits of the training in these early stages...that may well come. It's also about finding the balance between the two.
I just found it an odd claim from the club to focus on our strength, and not on our weakness.
The games we got embarrassed was not because we were overpowerred, but largely because we had rings run around us. A trend that has continued thus far this year.
One explanation could be that the powers that be believe that the 'power' game is where our strength lies. That's the focus...the attack, pressure, intensity, strength, stoppage, clearance
Teams like the Hawks play a different game-precision, skill, run
Now the Hawks are playing their style at the moment at the top of their game. We're a mile off ours.
But will that be the case all through the year. Will we get closer to the level we want to play. Those 'skilful sides' can go to water under intense pressure. Can teams like the Hawks maintain it for a full season.
What style will hold up better in a finals game. Our issue is that we don't fall so far behind that we don't get the opportunity to test it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 25, 2025, 07:51:22 pm
One explanation could be that the powers that be believe that the 'power' game is where our strength lies. That's the focus...the attack, pressure, intensity, strength, stoppage, clearance
I don't think there is any "could" in that "believe", it's fairly obvious to the point of distraction that the power game is our strength!
Our problem in both opening games is two fold, not creating enough stoppages to take advantage of our strength, and not being able to arrest opposition progress when they get free.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on March 25, 2025, 08:06:54 pm
We are 2 games in. We don't look fit.
No point comparing to other teams. We finished the year with broken down players, we had more break down over the summer, and we have a few returning who've not played footy in a while.
It's no surprise we don't look great, but lets see how we are travelling in about 6 weeks.
Cerras in good nick.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 25, 2025, 08:13:21 pm
So by this time after a few losses Russell is normally getting stones thrown at him, does anybody even know the guys name that took his place, the new guy appears so private I'm wondering if that job even still exists?
I reiterate though, the bulk of the AFL have changed tactics, they have made huge tactical changes and we've gone incremental, we've missed the trending shift in the game that was obvious from opening round. If we can't find our game style and make it work we are in for a world of pain, because the opposition aren't changing to suit us.
I think we look stuffed because we have guys who aren't capable to catching opponents still running themselves into the ground refusing to give up. Our lot is giving 100% but the tank is empty, the MC has to find a way to change the narrative. It is pointless fans throwing allegations at players who just don't have the skill set(pace and acceleration) to compete on those foreign terms.
We are lucky we have Cripps, because in his size category his acceleration is elite, TDK is similar, but opposition are finding ways to negate those two, or we do it to ourselves when we ruck Cripps, and those around them aren't capable of bridging the gap. We won plenty of inside footy in the first two games, only to give it back after a chain of two or three disposals, which then leaves our slower Mids stuck out of the position on the transition.
The only way I can see forward is a drastic efficiency improvement, we've got to use the ball better than the opposition, if we are less efficient we are cooked because we won't generate the same high opportunity count.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on March 25, 2025, 10:21:50 pm
So by this time after a few losses Russell is normally getting stones thrown at him, does anybody even know the guys name that took his place, the new guy appears so private I'm wondering if that job even still exists?
I reiterate though, the bulk of the AFL have changed tactics, they have made huge tactical changes and we've gone incremental, we've missed the trending shift in the game that was obvious from opening round. If we can't find our game style and make it work we are in for a world of pain, because the opposition aren't changing to suit us.
I think we look stuffed because we have guys who aren't capable to catching opponents still running themselves into the ground refusing to give up. Our lot is giving 100% but the tank is empty, the MC has to find a way to change the narrative. It is pointless fans throwing allegations at players who just don't have the skill set(pace and acceleration) to compete on those foreign terms.
We are lucky we have Cripps, because in his size category his acceleration is elite, TDK is similar, but opposition are finding ways to negate those two, or we do it to ourselves when we ruck Cripps, and those around them aren't capable of bridging the gap. We won plenty of inside footy in the first two games, only to give it back after a chain of two or three disposals, which then leaves our slower Mids stuck out of the position on the transition.
The only way I can see forward is a drastic efficiency improvement, we've got to use the ball better than the opposition, if we are less efficient we are cooked because we won't generate the same high opportunity count.
the thing with fitness is, that any break or change in your approach will yield different results.
We've been behind the fitness 8 ball every pre season since I can remember.
We had 5 players go the distance last season. Its no surprise to me with 2 of them gone we aren't better off right now. No fitness like match fitness.
We aren't the only ones just going, but anyone who's shocked doesn't understand that a set back in one year will impact you for a while depending on how large.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 25, 2025, 10:24:37 pm
So by this time after a few losses Russell is normally getting stones thrown at him, does anybody even know the guys name that took his place, the new guy appears so private I'm wondering if that job even still exists?
Rob Innes
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 25, 2025, 11:14:37 pm
So by this time after a few losses Russell is normally getting stones thrown at him, does anybody even know the guys name that took his place, the new guy appears so private I'm wondering if that job even still exists?
Rob Innes
And he’s not an in your face, self-promoting cove like Russell. Not that there’s anything wrong with that; Russell has many irons in the fire and it served him well to be in the limelight as much as possible.
Innes is our fitness bloke first and foremost and doesn’t need to engage in self-promotion.
I don’t mind if we don’t hear a peep out of him all season, provided that most of our players are available for selection.
Inness kept a fairly low profile at Sydney too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on March 26, 2025, 08:21:14 am
I'm not convinced that our first 2 losses have much to do with a failure to embrace the latest fad, whatever that might be. Some better, cleaner disposal, and some luck with injury, I'd guess the team will do well.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on March 26, 2025, 09:05:38 am
Having just watched the Dawks game again - our defensive game was sound, we held them to a potentially losing score. And our pressure certainly 'panicked' them plenty of times. However...
...our offensive game was simply, I'll be kind, perplexing. So many times we were running through the wings or through the middle, aggott in hand, and not give off to a team mate running free nearby in a better position to receive a handball, grab more grass and then better target forwards on a lead or in a one-on-one contest, but rather a long bomb from the wing/middle! Just not smart or productive... inefficient! Inefficiency results in loss of reward for effort - stagnant scoreboard, so then fall back to a greater reliance on defence (safety mode) / loss of offensive confidence...
Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with fitness, endurance or attitude. Just reward for offensive effort. The backline defence and team defence looks good, we're keeping opponents to potentially losing scores.
My greatest concern against the Dishlickers is that we repeat the offensive errors of the first two rounds - not sharing the ball with runners nearby offering a good option to gain more grass AND those panicky long bombs into the forward line. With H and Charles probably up the front the temptation to drop it on their heads will be there. H and Charles, please move about a lot forcing those up the field to consider their kick, not bomb.
IF we deliver into the forward line properly and we get our offensive reward for effort ticking over (scoreboard), and that offensive confidence returns I would not be at all surprised if we knock over the Dishlickers by 44+.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 26, 2025, 10:16:00 am
Yep I still think it all comes down to efficiency. We wouldn't look tired if the disposal was better. We look tired because we're constantly chasing our tails. What is an attack suddenly turns into a turn around, run and chase because of a turnover. Hit those targets and it will be the opposition doing the chasing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 26, 2025, 11:06:58 am
Yep I still think it all comes down to efficiency inefficiency. We wouldn't look tired if the disposal was better. We look tired because we're constantly chasing our tails. What is an attack suddenly turns into a turn around, run and chase because of a turnover. Hit those targets and it will be the opposition doing the chasing.
Agreed, it's 100% the case.
The assertions about looking tired or lacking fitness seem to be based on having cause and effect backwards.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: BluePhantom on March 26, 2025, 11:14:32 am
Having just watched the Dawks game again - our defensive game was sound, we held them to a potentially losing score. And our pressure certainly 'panicked' them plenty of times. However...
...our offensive game was simply, I'll be kind, perplexing. So many times we were running through the wings or through the middle, aggott in hand, and not give off to a team mate running free nearby in a better position to receive a handball, grab more grass and then better target forwards on a lead or in a one-on-one contest, but rather a long bomb from the wing/middle! Just not smart or productive... inefficient! Inefficiency results in loss of reward for effort - stagnant scoreboard, so then fall back to a greater reliance on defence (safety mode) / loss of offensive confidence...
Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with fitness, endurance or attitude. Just reward for offensive effort. The backline defence and team defence looks good, we're keeping opponents to potentially losing scores.
My greatest concern against the Dishlickers is that we repeat the offensive errors of the first two rounds - not sharing the ball with runners nearby offering a good option to gain more grass AND those panicky long bombs into the forward line. With H and Charles probably up the front the temptation to drop it on their heads will be there. H and Charles, please move about a lot forcing those up the field to consider their kick, not bomb.
IF we deliver into the forward line properly and we get our offensive reward for effort ticking over (scoreboard), and that offensive confidence returns I would not be at all surprised if we knock over the Dishlickers by 44+.
If the Aints can spot up their leading forwards regularly then I'm sure we can. It's not rocket science and we all have been banging on about this for years. When we have done it we look good, really good.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 26, 2025, 11:18:20 am
...our offensive game was simply, I'll be kind, perplexing.
I've watched quite a few F50 stoppages, and we have the likes of Harry and Charlie roving to deep F50 stoppages or standing in the goal square. I understand Cripps there, for the obvious reason it's a stoppage.
But the others, I can't work out why on earth the two Coleman medallist contested marking 50m kicking machines aren't out patrolling the 50M arc to intercept the quick rushed defensive kick, or at least make it far less likely to allow a clean successful exit. I suppose it's due to our lack of leg speed, so we setup our best runners on the defensive side and hope that Weiters or McGovern can take a mark, but when we do that it's much easier for the opposition to reach the wing by running away from the big bodies inside the arc.
In the F50 stoppages, leave the big bodied roving to TDK and Cripps to dish out to surrounding smalls who can also double up with pressure actors when defenders try to exit. Get Harry and Charlie out on the flank to contest with Weiters free to control the corridor.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Milhanna13 on March 26, 2025, 12:19:59 pm
Having just watched the Dawks game again - our defensive game was sound, we held them to a potentially losing score. And our pressure certainly 'panicked' them plenty of times. However...
...our offensive game was simply, I'll be kind, perplexing. So many times we were running through the wings or through the middle, aggott in hand, and not give off to a team mate running free nearby in a better position to receive a handball, grab more grass and then better target forwards on a lead or in a one-on-one contest, but rather a long bomb from the wing/middle! Just not smart or productive... inefficient! Inefficiency results in loss of reward for effort - stagnant scoreboard, so then fall back to a greater reliance on defence (safety mode) / loss of offensive confidence...
Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with fitness, endurance or attitude. Just reward for offensive effort. The backline defence and team defence looks good, we're keeping opponents to potentially losing scores.
My greatest concern against the Dishlickers is that we repeat the offensive errors of the first two rounds - not sharing the ball with runners nearby offering a good option to gain more grass AND those panicky long bombs into the forward line. With H and Charles probably up the front the temptation to drop it on their heads will be there. H and Charles, please move about a lot forcing those up the field to consider their kick, not bomb.
IF we deliver into the forward line properly and we get our offensive reward for effort ticking over (scoreboard), and that offensive confidence returns I would not be at all surprised if we knock over the Dishlickers by 44+.
offensive confidence - i reckon this is a big part of it. lose some confidence, stop being as aggressive with ball movement, everything gets harder
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 26, 2025, 12:35:50 pm
Scores per inside 50 entry It's now well analysed that the Blues have been wasting their inside 50 entries by bombing them high and long instead of lowering the eyes for an uncontested option.
The stats reflect this analysis, with Carlton's current rate of scoring per inside 50 entry the second-worst in the AFL, scoring from just 37 per cent of entries.
Last year, the Blues were a top-four side in the metric, with a scoring rate of 47.3 per cent. So, the aspect is fixable, but it requires immediate attention if Carlton are to beat the Bulldogs on Friday night.
The Bulldogs are one of the better sides at converting from inside 50 entries. This season their average is a rate of 48 per cent, while last year it ranked fifth at 46.2 per cent.
Should the Dogs continue this trend against a struggling Carlton unit, the Blues may be handed a third straight loss to begin 2025.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 26, 2025, 01:49:24 pm
Not sure what is going on with Harry. That seemed a bit of a strange one with the illness last week and now he's still not certain to be available.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 26, 2025, 02:52:47 pm
That seemed a bit of a strange one with the illness last week and now he's still not certain to be available.
The twins are both struggling, it could be a Gawn moment for them, we might never know.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 26, 2025, 02:56:35 pm
Suggestions are circulating that Harry won't play Friday night. Lyon mentioned on SEN this morning he saw Harry and Vossy walking around The Tan yesterday which seems odd.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 26, 2025, 03:48:51 pm
Suggestions are circulating that Harry won't play Friday night. Lyon mentioned on SEN this morning he saw Harry and Vossy walking around The Tan yesterday which seems odd.
A poster on another forum who sometimes gets a breaking story (often from another forum :)) has said he has heard he may be in need of a break. Hopefully he plays, plays well and puts that to bed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 26, 2025, 03:53:42 pm
Scores per inside 50 entry It's now well analysed that the Blues have been wasting their inside 50 entries by bombing them high and long instead of lowering the eyes for an uncontested option.
The stats reflect this analysis, with Carlton's current rate of scoring per inside 50 entry the second-worst in the AFL, scoring from just 37 per cent of entries.
Last year, the Blues were a top-four side in the metric, with a scoring rate of 47.3 per cent. So, the aspect is fixable, but it requires immediate attention if Carlton are to beat the Bulldogs on Friday night.
The Bulldogs are one of the better sides at converting from inside 50 entries. This season their average is a rate of 48 per cent, while last year it ranked fifth at 46.2 per cent.
Should the Dogs continue this trend against a struggling Carlton unit, the Blues may be handed a third straight loss to begin 2025.
I don’t think that high and long bombs inside 50 are the issue. It’s all deliveries inside 50 as well as our set up at forward half stoppages and lack of pressure on the opposition when we lose possession.
Losing Lij hasn’t helped and Harry missing last week didn’t make it easy for a very underdone Charlie.
At the risk of resurrecting a favourite whipping boy, Jordan Russell needs to work some magic with our forwards.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 26, 2025, 03:55:59 pm
Suggestions are circulating that Harry won't play Friday night. Lyon mentioned on SEN this morning he saw Harry and Vossy walking around The Tan yesterday which seems odd.
Vossy often goes for walks with a player so it could just be a routine walk and talk. On the other hand … 🤔🤞
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 26, 2025, 04:01:47 pm
I don’t think that high and long bombs inside 50 are the issue. It’s all deliveries inside 50 as well as our set up at forward half stoppages and lack of pressure on the opposition when we lose possession.
Yep.
Fans should go back and watch Rnd 1, listen for Jack Riewoldt's comments about Lynch. All Jack wanted was for Lynch to start contesting and not be out marked by Weiters, just bring the ball to the deck so the Nthmond SFs could get an opportunity to go to work.
Then ask yourself, we've had H and Charlie bringing the ball to ground for nearly two seasons, they are rarely if every out marked and when they do mark they managed to bag Colemans? One side of our system seems massively deficient! ::)
Remember why the Crows targeted Betts, they had Walker and Lynch not being out marked! ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 26, 2025, 04:05:58 pm
Suggestions are circulating that Harry won't play Friday night. Lyon mentioned on SEN this morning he saw Harry and Vossy walking around The Tan yesterday which seems odd.
A poster on another forum who sometimes gets a breaking story (often from another forum :)) has said he has heard he may be in need of a break. Hopefully he plays, plays well and puts that to bed.
He didn't train the other day, so whatever the issue is, it seems to be hanging around. If Charlies efforts last week are anything to go by, its best we give Harry as much time as he needs. We can't afford 2 non-contributers in the same forwardline.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pertz on March 26, 2025, 04:18:57 pm
A poster on another forum who sometimes gets a breaking story (often from another forum :)) has said he has heard he may be in need of a break. Hopefully he plays, plays well and puts that to bed.
He didn't train the other day, so whatever the issue is, it seems to be hanging around. If Charlies efforts last week are anything to go by, its best we give Harry as much time as he needs. We can't afford 2 non-contributers in the same forwardline.
What I have heard from an inside source is that Harry has mental health issues and may not play for the rest of the year
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 26, 2025, 04:27:06 pm
What I have heard from an inside source is that Harry has mental health issues and may not play for the rest of the year
I think you / we need to be careful about these reports, they are rumours and there is a similar one about his brother, take them with a grain of salt.
We get the body language from both doesn't look great, but that can be a good quarter of footy away from flipping, so best not to speculate.
I don't see much different in H than when he went through his kicking doldrums, he's capable of flipping that switch, let's hope he does!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 26, 2025, 04:33:59 pm
He didn't train the other day, so whatever the issue is, it seems to be hanging around. If Charlies efforts last week are anything to go by, its best we give Harry as much time as he needs. We can't afford 2 non-contributers in the same forwardline.
What I have heard from an inside source is that Harry has mental health issues and may not play for the rest of the year
Well, thats just great. :'(
Hopefully its not true and Harry is fine.
But, i can't help but point to the severe lack of options behind him and the words "i told you so" seem to come to mind very quickly about these lack of options.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: tonyo on March 26, 2025, 05:14:03 pm
What I have heard from an inside source is that Harry has mental health issues and may not play for the rest of the year
Well, thats just great. :'(
Hopefully its not true and Harry is fine.
But, i can't help but point to the severe lack of options behind him and the words "i told you so" seem to come to mind very quickly about these lack of options.
Bet we wished we'd picked up Liam McMahon now......
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 26, 2025, 05:31:46 pm
In Lemmey we trust. 8)
Obviously into a void there will be some speculation...but it's all just a bit of internet chatter at present.
Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 26, 2025, 06:03:43 pm
What I have heard from an inside source is that Harry has mental health issues and may not play for the rest of the year
Or is it a recurrence of glandular fever?
But he took part in training 😮
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on March 27, 2025, 08:20:06 am
These rumours may be right... or a crock of sh*t. What concerns me is that there are a lot of assumptions and jumping at shadows. Perhaps a time to step back and keep the powder dry. As soon as 6:25 this evening we'll know more. Until then...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 27, 2025, 08:32:54 am
Confimed by the club Harry is out of Friday nights game due to personal reasons.
These rumours may be right... or a crock of sh*t. What concerns me is that there are a lot of assumptions and jumping at shadows. Perhaps a time to step back and keep the powder dry. As soon as 6:25 this evening we'll know more. Until then...
Check the website.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 27, 2025, 08:51:49 am
The fact that he trained with the group yesterday is a positive sign. He's around mates who will support him. It would suggest the issues are not club related. In some respects it might be those connections that help him work through any problems.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: BluePhantom on March 27, 2025, 08:57:49 am
Resilience
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on March 27, 2025, 09:43:48 am
IMO, you’d have to reasonably conclude that Harry’s off field issues played a part (big or small) in our average start to the season, especially the Richmond game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 27, 2025, 09:59:28 am
IMO, you’d have to reasonably conclude that Harry’s off field issues played a part (big or small) in our average start to the season, especially the Richmond game.
Harry looked like he was in for a great season with his form in our intra club match sims. He was demolishing whoever drew the short straw and had to play on him. That form continued in the St Kilda game but he was subbed off after limited minutes. The GWS game was much the same; a brief cameo that promised much.
Perhaps that limited game time reflected Harry’s issues rather than the club wishing to avoid unnecessary exposure to injury …
Idle speculation but when linked to his Richmond game and current unavailability 🤔
Hopefully, Harry will be getting the help and support he needs and can deal with whatever is troubling him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on March 27, 2025, 10:06:12 am
These rumours may be right... or a crock of sh*t. What concerns me is that there are a lot of assumptions and jumping at shadows. Perhaps a time to step back and keep the powder dry. As soon as 6:25 this evening we'll know more. Until then...
Check the website.
Just did. So now we know, and move on. Glad that H will have plenty of quality support around - the most important thing. Now the rumour fans will have a speculation party. Might see Charles, Kemp and JSOS up forward together. Who knows. I remain optimistic about tomorrow night.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 27, 2025, 10:09:00 am
Just did. So now we know, and move on. Glad that H will have plenty of quality support around - the most important thing. Now the rumour fans will have a speculation party. Might see Charles, Kemp and JSOS up forward together. Who knows. I remain optimistic about tomorrow night.
Its hard but that's all we can do, remain optimistic and hopefully the tide turns.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: tonyo on March 27, 2025, 11:45:31 am
I know the McKay boys like their podcast, but I can't help feeling with them both struggling on-field, it might be time to park it, they just open themselves up to trolls of all types.
No point having a podcast if it means you can't get on the park.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on March 27, 2025, 11:47:29 am
I know the McKay boys like their podcast, but I can't help feeling with them both struggling on-field, it might be time to park it, they just open themselves up to trolls of all types.
No point having a podcast if it means you can't get on the park.
Indeed. With both of them enduring rough patches, it might be time to concentrate on 'what's important', whatever that might be for them at this time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on March 27, 2025, 12:15:19 pm
Bite the bullet and give Lemmey a run and put Jack in the backline.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Professer E on March 27, 2025, 02:32:29 pm
Hand the keys in
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on March 27, 2025, 03:21:30 pm
I must admit I'm not at all confident about tomorrow night. We aren't as bad as some people are suggesting but we've got real issues with key personnel. [1] Jagga Smith: Jagga was the 'missing piece' of the midfield, that something new that added pace and unpredictability to what is a pretty predictable group. That hurt. Now, going forward, our midfield is going to be transformed as Jagga and young Walker alter the mix. Also Cooper Lord, who looks to have a future, but that doesn't help us this year, [2] Our key forwards have been as good as any and better than most over the last couple of years. But, at the moment, we're lacking input from both of them. H will be back when he is back. Charlie missed substantial time over the summer with operations. It is going to be weeks before they are back to their best, but it should happen. That should transform our forward line as they take contested marks and kick (lots of) goals. [3] Our defence is in transition. We have one great key defender in Weitering and a couple of good small defenders, but the rest ... We are all aware of the problems here. We have addressed them. Young O'Farrell looks the goods, but he is young and inexperienced. It is early to look to Peter Dean's boy, but he is also looking promising. It would be nice to grab another (athletic) tall defender, but that is another tale. Again, the problem is that it doesn't help us now. :( Also, losing Newman was a huge loss. He doesn't just take our the opposition's best small forwards, he gets 25 - 30 possessions a game. We are really missing that. Haynes was insurance, but we'd had to use hum and he's struggled. I hope he can continue to improve, but he will have to live with his Rd 1 game. [4] Small forwards: the one who looked good in the pre-season was Fantasia, much to my surprise. Now he's injured (again). The rest are struggling and out of form. But they should improve as well. Just how long that takes ... :(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: cookie2 on March 27, 2025, 03:30:42 pm
Not confident at all. Too much of our better talent missing, underdone or out of form. I’ll leave it there - don’t want to get too negative.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 27, 2025, 04:13:58 pm
Not confident at all. Too much of our better talent missing, underdone or out of form. I’ll leave it there - don’t want to get too negative.
Even with what we have on the park, if we clean up our execution and finishing we should account for the WBs who have a worse injury list than us. I say that with no confidence that we can in fact clean it up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 27, 2025, 04:41:09 pm
Harry out means im changing my tip to the dogs.
I don't see where our goals are going to come from given how poor our entire forward line is/has been at present.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 27, 2025, 05:46:16 pm
IMO, you’d have to reasonably conclude that Harry’s off field issues played a part (big or small) in our average start to the season, especially the Richmond game.
Harry looked like he was in for a great season with his form in our intra club match sims. He was demolishing whoever drew the short straw and had to play on him. That form continued in the St Kilda game but he was subbed off after limited minutes. The GWS game was much the same; a brief cameo that promised much.
Perhaps that limited game time reflected Harry’s issues rather than the club wishing to avoid unnecessary exposure to injury …
Idle speculation but when linked to his Richmond game and current unavailability 🤔
Hopefully, Harry will be getting the help and support he needs and can deal with whatever is troubling him.
My information is that Harry is dealing with a similar issue to Elijah Holland's. We wish them both well, hope they getting the help they need and can get back doing what they love asap. Go Blues.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Professer E on March 27, 2025, 06:35:09 pm
Surely those selections are a piss take?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: rocky on March 27, 2025, 06:41:55 pm
Jordan Boyd, Francis Evans IN
Lucas Camporeale, Cooper Lord OUT
Cannot believe what's going on with selection. I'm speechless
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on March 27, 2025, 06:46:28 pm
Oh Boy, looks like we are going to be in for a long night.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Sexybronco on March 27, 2025, 06:50:52 pm
Cannot believe what's going on with selection. I'm speechless
The outs make sense to me, Lucas was physically spent and not able to run out the game last week while Cooper Lord has been way off the pace for the last 2 games, not a knock on the long term future of either lad.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 27, 2025, 07:06:33 pm
Cannot believe what's going on with selection. I'm speechless
The outs make sense to me, Lucas was physically spent and not able to run out the game last week while Cooper Lord has been way off the pace for the last 2 games, not a knock on the long term future of either lad.
Yes, if you look past whipping boy and fan favourite status, those two outs make perfect sense.
Boyd complements and his ball use has to be an improvement. I’m not sold on Evans but he does apply defensive pressure in the forward half.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 27, 2025, 07:07:19 pm
Go through the entire list. Rank them in order from most games played. Pick the first 23 players that are not on the injuries list (or have personal leave)
Those 23 players are the exact blokes in the side.
So why? Thats who we have available..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on March 27, 2025, 07:11:35 pm
The outs make sense to me, Lucas was physically spent and not able to run out the game last week while Cooper Lord has been way off the pace for the last 2 games, not a knock on the long term future of either lad.
I agree.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on March 27, 2025, 07:12:24 pm
My information is that Harry is dealing with a similar issue to Elijah Holland's. We wish them both well, hope they getting the help they need and can get back doing what they love asap. Go Blues.
Thanks for the info pertz.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 27, 2025, 07:13:10 pm
Harry looked like he was in for a great season with his form in our intra club match sims. He was demolishing whoever drew the short straw and had to play on him. That form continued in the St Kilda game but he was subbed off after limited minutes. The GWS game was much the same; a brief cameo that promised much.
Perhaps that limited game time reflected Harry’s issues rather than the club wishing to avoid unnecessary exposure to injury …
Idle speculation but when linked to his Richmond game and current unavailability 🤔
Hopefully, Harry will be getting the help and support he needs and can deal with whatever is troubling him.
My information is that Harry is dealing with a similar issue to Elijah Holland's. We wish them both well, hope they getting the help they need and can get back doing what they love asap. Go Blues.
I believe that it’s a recurrence of Harry’s anxiety issues. He has been working with the club trick cyclist since his mum picked up his changed character several years ago. I doubt that he would have been at training if there was a substance issue.
Perhaps Elijah has anxiety issues too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 27, 2025, 07:37:49 pm
Just with regards to Harry. It's all speculation. As well as some of the reasons given I've also read it's a relationship issue. So we really don't know. Probably best to let it lie now, and hope he's back (and in good shape) sooner rather than later.
As Kruddler said we really don't have a lot of choices in our selections. Boyd was the only player from the VFL I would have promoted. White would have been my second choice. And maybe we could have given Ben a taste as the sub, but really I think a couple of weeks in the VFL just getting a few games and maybe cleaning up some of that disposal is probably the best approach.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: JonDorotich on March 27, 2025, 08:12:04 pm
Cannot believe what's going on with selection. I'm speechless
The outs make sense to me, Lucas was physically spent and not able to run out the game last week while Cooper Lord has been way off the pace for the last 2 games, not a knock on the long term future of either lad.
Agree, hearing on the grapevine that another player is having personal issues also so there may be another out. Hope not.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on March 27, 2025, 08:32:01 pm
Got to feel for these kids sometimes I know they are making good money but when you see your own feral supporters hanging around the race yelling horrible abuse after a loss. Then to have to come out and say you love the supporters passion because your told to must question if it’s all worth it. Even on here during the game feed some of the comments get borderline
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on March 27, 2025, 08:33:42 pm
Got to feel for these kids sometimes I know they are making good money but when you see your own feral supporters hanging around the race yelling horrible abuse after a loss. Then to have to come out and say you love the supporters passion because your told to must question if it’s all worth it. Even on here during the game feed some of the comments get borderline
I agree.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on March 27, 2025, 09:12:12 pm
Our line-up for this week:
B: [33] Lewis Young [23] Jacob Weitering [2] Lachlan Cowan HB: [42] Adam Saad [11] Mitch McGovern [4] Oliver Hollands C: [13] Blake Acres [9] Patrick Cripps [46] Matthew Cottrell HF: [3] Jesse Motlop [1] Jack Silvagni [8] Lachie Fogarty F: [17] Brodie Kemp [30] Charlie Curnow [15] Sam Docherty R: [12] Tom De Koning [5] Adam Cerra [29] George Hewett Int: [26] Nick Haynes [18] Sam Walsh [37] Jordan Boyd [6] Zac Williams [44] Francis Evans
EM: [21] Lucas Camporeale [38] Will White [43] Ashton Moir
I guess this is close to the best we can manage at the moment, but it is a long way from our best line-up. [1] I wouldn't have selected Evans. I haven't seen enough good football from him yet. Maybe he has some; he did play for 2 other clubs, but I just don't see it yet. I would have preferred Will White. White can kick goals and he has some pace. He might be very light, but he tackles like he means it. Then again, maybe Frank the Tank can make me look like a fool. It wouldn't be the first time.
[2] I can understand Camporeale going out. He's had a taste; a couple of good VFL games and he might be ready for another. He has work to do on his disposal, but much of that may improve as he gets used to the pace of the game.
[3] I'd play Walsh on a wing and let him stay there all day. He needs to run himself into form, and not getting clobbered every clearance would be a start.
[4] Acres is so far from his best at the moment that I barely recognize him. I hope he can pick up some form, as we need him dominating his wing.
[5] Who is going to give Tom a cut out? They have Lobb and Darcy who dwarve our guys. Not sure this is a winning strategy.
[6] Cowan to Liberatore is a possible move. We need to squash Libba flat, as he provides their clearances.
[7] Our forward line is not looking healthy. Hopefully Charlie can do a little better this week, but I'm not expecting much.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LoveNavy on March 27, 2025, 09:23:00 pm
He didn't train the other day, so whatever the issue is, it seems to be hanging around. If Charlies efforts last week are anything to go by, its best we give Harry as much time as he needs. We can't afford 2 non-contributers in the same forwardline.
What I have heard from an inside source is that Harry has mental health issues and may not play for the rest of the year
Spot on
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 27, 2025, 09:44:36 pm
Rank them in order from most games played. Pick the first 23 players that are not on the injuries list (or have personal leave)
Those 23 players are the exact blokes in the side.
So why? Thats who we have available..
Moir makes most sense and after him I would have taken Binns before Evans, even in Evans preferred position.
To be honest I just don’t get Evans based on current VFL form (bad) or past performances (bad)
Moir barely touched the ball and Binns was average in their VFL game. Evans was excellent in the VFL in terms of the defensive pressure he applied … and that’s his job.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 27, 2025, 09:50:10 pm
Got to feel for these kids sometimes I know they are making good money but when you see your own feral supporters hanging around the race yelling horrible abuse after a loss. Then to have to come out and say you love the supporters passion because your told to must question if it’s all worth it. Even on here during the game feed some of the comments get borderline
There is an excellent article in the HUN outlining Harry’s mental health issues and the experiences of former players, Wayne Schwass and Daisy Thomas. It’s worth reading before speculating about drug use.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: JonDorotich on March 27, 2025, 10:09:50 pm
Moir makes most sense and after him I would have taken Binns before Evans, even in Evans preferred position.
To be honest I just don’t get Evans based on current VFL form (bad) or past performances (bad)
Moir barely touched the ball and Binns was average in their VFL game. Evans was excellent in the VFL in terms of the defensive pressure he applied … and that’s his job.
I just see more upside in Moir
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 28, 2025, 01:05:17 am
Moir barely touched the ball and Binns was average in their VFL game. Evans was excellent in the VFL in terms of the defensive pressure he applied … and that’s his job.
I just see more upside in Moir
Upside, and no tackles, doesn't get you a game ...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on March 28, 2025, 01:44:12 am
Got to feel for these kids sometimes I know they are making good money but when you see your own feral supporters hanging around the race yelling horrible abuse after a loss. Then to have to come out and say you love the supporters passion because your told to must question if it’s all worth it. Even on here during the game feed some of the comments get borderline
There is an excellent article in the HUN outlining Harry’s mental health issues and the experiences of former players, Wayne Schwass and Daisy Thomas. It’s worth reading before speculating about drug use.
Its not drug use - he broke up with his girlfriend. Seriously how soft are these blokes... there is no way he should not be performing at a high level over a girlfriend. It actually sickens me and should be put on the trade table.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on March 28, 2025, 06:52:24 am
There is an excellent article in the HUN outlining Harry’s mental health issues and the experiences of former players, Wayne Schwass and Daisy Thomas. It’s worth reading before speculating about drug use.
Its not drug use - he broke up with his girlfriend. Seriously how soft are these blokes... there is no way he should not be performing at a high level over a girlfriend. It actually sickens me and should be put on the trade table.
Little things can add up to a larger problem Still adds up to overall mental health no matter what the cause is. I see and hear the toll it can take I still remember the tragedy of Rhett Baynes and lots of others in our community. Can’t all be hard men like you
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 28, 2025, 06:53:21 am
There is an excellent article in the HUN outlining Harry’s mental health issues and the experiences of former players, Wayne Schwass and Daisy Thomas. It’s worth reading before speculating about drug use.
Its not drug use - he broke up with his girlfriend. Seriously how soft are these blokes... there is no way he should not be performing at a high level over a girlfriend. It actually sickens me and should be put on the trade table.
These are the exact type of comments online that are hurtful and do damage to people who are struggling (with things you might not). We need to be better.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on March 28, 2025, 07:07:12 am
Quote from: pinot link=msg=435327
Its not drug use - he broke up with his girlfriend. Seriously how soft are these blokes... there is no way he should not be performing at a high level over a girlfriend. It actually sickens me and should be put on the trade table.
It’s not uncommon for people with pre existing mental health/ anxiety issues to be triggered by things the rest of us may consider trivial. He’s not soft. We need greater understanding of these issues, not more derision.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on March 28, 2025, 07:43:40 am
It’s not uncommon for people with pre existing mental health/ anxiety issues to be triggered by things the rest of us may consider trivial. He’s not soft. We need greater understanding of these issues, not more derision.
Yes, it's very true, we can try to understand what life is like in someone else's shoes but we can never know. ;)
@pinot Samson was debilitated by a hair cut, and Achilles was nearly invulnerable!
We don't know what happens behind the scenes, the break up might be a cause not an effect, as I've mentioned both McKay boys look off the pace at the moment. There will be more to this than we will ever know, and when the media speculate about an ultimate cause, they just expose their own ignorance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: bobby on March 28, 2025, 08:12:31 am
Moir makes most sense and after him I would have taken Binns before Evans, even in Evans preferred position.
To be honest I just don’t get Evans based on current VFL form (bad) or past performances (bad)
Moir barely touched the ball and Binns was average in their VFL game. Evans was excellent in the VFL in terms of the defensive pressure he applied … and that’s his job.
You will probably laugh at me but I have a feeling Moir may be a modern day Brent Croswell. Literally bored to be out there unless he's on the big stage. He is obviously miles from Croswell in terms of achievements, but in the little we have seen I think does have that mercurial way, yet at the sametime lazy way about him. Not much room or appetite for these types nowadays.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on March 28, 2025, 09:25:48 am
Its not drug use - he broke up with his girlfriend. Seriously how soft are these blokes... there is no way he should not be performing at a high level over a girlfriend. It actually sickens me and should be put on the trade table.
Little things can add up to a larger problem Still adds up to overall mental health no matter what the cause is. I see and hear the toll it can take I still remember the tragedy of Rhett Baynes and lots of others in our community. Can’t all be hard men like you
Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.
I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2025, 09:30:40 am
Thank you for the sexism.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: northernblue on March 28, 2025, 09:32:56 am
Little things can add up to a larger problem Still adds up to overall mental health no matter what the cause is. I see and hear the toll it can take I still remember the tragedy of Rhett Baynes and lots of others in our community. Can’t all be hard men like you
Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.
I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.
Tell me about your outlook on life and relationships without telling me about your outlook on life and relationships… 🤦🏼♂️
It’s not the way I would go if I was H, I’d rather put my dramas behind me for 2hrs and be amongst the boys but everyone’s different and sometimes your head can be too cluttered up and you do need the break. The important thing is to keep lines of communication open with everyone who counts.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 28, 2025, 09:42:08 am
Moir barely touched the ball and Binns was average in their VFL game. Evans was excellent in the VFL in terms of the defensive pressure he applied … and that’s his job.
You will probably laugh at me but I have a feeling Moir may be a modern day Brent Croswell. Literally bored to be out there unless he's on the big stage. He is obviously miles from Croswell in terms of achievements, but in the little we have seen I think does have that mercurial way, yet at the sametime lazy way about him. Not much room or appetite for these types nowadays.
I knew Brent back in the day. My sister found him wandering around Sydney Road and brought him home. We became quite friendly and kept in touch for several years.
Brent was driven to succeed and was extremely competitive at everything he did, including footy at any level. There’s no way he would have settled for seven touches and zero tackles in a reserves game.
Moir is an outstanding talent. He just needs some of Tiger’s competitive drive!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LordLucifer on March 28, 2025, 10:18:16 am
With Essendon winning last night, we have fallen to 15th on the ladder.
Lose tonight to the Dogs coupled with the fact that the Eagles & Dockers play each other (i.e. one of them has to win) and we will drop another rung down again.
If the Suns extract the digit and stitch up the Dees (unlikely as it is in Melbourne) then it could get even worse.
Shoud this all play out, heads will roll next Monday morning.
As for Mr. McKay, if he is not on the gear and it is the break-up from his girlfriend that is causing him the issues, then I am flabbergasted once again.
If it was me in that position (highly unlikely that I would be a total headcase after break-up) then I would certainly be using it as motivation to play out of my skin as well as taking out my anger with some robust attacks on the play and the opposition guys.
This concerns me for the future, what happens when the going gets tough in a must-win match, does Harry pack it in too ??
To think Melbourne were prepared to do a direct swap for Petracca makes me regret knocking it back now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 28, 2025, 10:25:45 am
Little things can add up to a larger problem Still adds up to overall mental health no matter what the cause is. I see and hear the toll it can take I still remember the tragedy of Rhett Baynes and lots of others in our community. Can’t all be hard men like you
Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.
I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.
I’m standing with Harry … and with Geoff Southby, Kenny Hunter, Dyl Buckley, Jake Edwards, Dan Gorringe, Wayne Johnston, Liam Stocker and many other past and present Carlton players with mental health issues.
I’m also standing with women!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: shawny on March 28, 2025, 10:44:11 am
im told harrys girlfriend posted on instagram last night and was at harrys house sitting with his dog.
Only his inner circle would know the real reason he is not mentally well and hope he gets on top of it sooner rather then later not for the club or supporters but for him and his family.
Hearing essendon fans giving it to his brother early in yesterdays game its no wonder these young men struggle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on March 28, 2025, 10:49:03 am
Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.
I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.
McKay has played the overwhelming majority of games since 2019. Copped it from all comers when he was experiencing goal kicking yips, took it upon himself to do extra work and make adjustments to his run up, ball drop etc., recommitted to the club on a long term deal, despite overtures from others, and now into his 10th season with 129 games under his belt, this is the first time I can recall that he has asked for time off. Does this sound like someone lacking mental toughness ?
As for the comments regarding women, I'll leave those alone.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on March 28, 2025, 01:25:33 pm
Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.
I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.
McKay has played the overwhelming majority of games since 2019. Copped it from all comers when he was experiencing goal kicking yips, took it upon himself to do extra work and make adjustments to his run up, ball drop etc., recommitted to the club on a long term deal, despite overtures from others, and now into his 10th season with 129 games under his belt, this is the first time I can recall that he has asked for time off. Does this sound like someone lacking mental toughness ?
As for the comments regarding women, I'll leave those alone.
Oh please I live with three matriarchs - some of you are so precious.
His team mates are going through hell at this moment - his reponse is "I don't care".
Look - these blokes need to be of the mentality what doesnt kill you makes you stronger in an elite high performance environment getting paid the big bux. He is mentally inept and I sure hope as hell we move him on.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on March 28, 2025, 01:29:28 pm
Oh please I live with three matriarchs - some of you are so precious.
His team mates are going through hell at this moment - his reponse is "I don't care".
Look - these blokes need to be of the mentality what doesnt kill you makes you stronger in an elite high performance environment getting paid the big bux. He is mentally inept and I sure hope as hell we move him on.
I've made my point. This thread is drifting way off topic. I'll leave it there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2025, 01:55:19 pm
McKay has played the overwhelming majority of games since 2019. Copped it from all comers when he was experiencing goal kicking yips, took it upon himself to do extra work and make adjustments to his run up, ball drop etc., recommitted to the club on a long term deal, despite overtures from others, and now into his 10th season with 129 games under his belt, this is the first time I can recall that he has asked for time off. Does this sound like someone lacking mental toughness ?
As for the comments regarding women, I'll leave those alone.
Oh please I live with three matriarchs - some of you are so precious.
His team mates are going through hell at this moment - his reponse is "I don't care".
Look - these blokes need to be of the mentality what doesnt kill you makes you stronger in an elite high performance environment getting paid the big bux. He is mentally inept and I sure hope as hell we move him on.
Clearly nobody is going to get any sympathy from you on the matter, so how about we try it this way....
If Harry was to play and he is suffering with depression, it's highly likely he is struggling to eat and sleep and generally focus on anything for any length of time. If he 'sucked it up' went out and played, what kind of result would you expect from a player with no sleep, energy and focus? You would then have a go at him for being useless and a waste of space and that he should never have played. How would that improve his mental for the next week and the next week.... Eventually he is a broken man devoid of a confidence, lacking in any trade value.
Or....
We let it go and hope he turns it around quickly.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: bratblue on March 28, 2025, 02:04:55 pm
Someboy very close to me just took her own life because of a breakup. Best not to start assuming to much. There was no sign of health issues beforehand.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on March 28, 2025, 02:13:52 pm
Someboy very close to me just took her own life because of a breakup. Best not to start assuming to much. There was no sign of health issues beforehand.
So very often there are no signs, it's a personal struggle that some folks keep too personal.
There are some very strong opinions on the issue of mental health. We now have a thread devoted to mental health. Could we move any further discussion into that one and leave this one for prematch comments.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: rocky on March 28, 2025, 02:58:19 pm
My sources tell me Harry's problem is related to performance anxiety, so I guess I'm happier with that than the other alternatives that have been bandied about. Hope H get's the help and support and ultimately returns but if he can't then what the hell he can just do whatever makes him happy. Footy ain't that important. Hope maybe somehow his problems lift the team. Have also heard Jack will be playing HBF tonight and Young will be going forward. God I hope that's not right.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2025, 03:05:29 pm
Have also heard Jack will be playing HBF tonight and Young will be going forward. God I hope that's not right.
So the one bloke who has actually looked like he is capable of taking a mark and kick a goal shifts back down back and we swap woth a guy who is less likely than the current out of form rabble? Coaching geniuses at work?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: rocky on March 28, 2025, 03:08:45 pm
Have also heard Jack will be playing HBF tonight and Young will be going forward. God I hope that's not right.
So the one bloke who has actually looked like he is capable of taking a mark and kick a goal shifts back down back and we swap woth a guy who is less likely than the current out of form rabble? Coaching geniuses at work?
Don't take it to the bank, but that's my mail. I can only assume we're more worried about the kid Darcy than anything else.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on March 28, 2025, 03:41:09 pm
Have also heard Jack will be playing HBF tonight and Young will be going forward. God I hope that's not right.
So the one bloke who has actually looked like he is capable of taking a mark and kick a goal shifts back down back and we swap woth a guy who is less likely than the current out of form rabble? Coaching geniuses at work?
If this happens, Ill sack the MC myself.
Fork me dead, Lewis is a decent player, but he found some form against hawthorn down back, and whilst we might need to swing the magnets if he is being taken to task, thus far, JSOS has been our most competent key forward of the season.
Sure, the smalls make some logical sense (though Id argue Cooper got the rough end of the stick given we went backwards after he went off against richmond) but Lucas is a first year player who looks to be physically not yet at the level. Thats fine, it will come in time, he is an athelete.
Fast deck, Friday night footy at Marvel is no time to experimental with glacial sized players.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pertz on March 28, 2025, 04:59:30 pm
So the one bloke who has actually looked like he is capable of taking a mark and kick a goal shifts back down back and we swap woth a guy who is less likely than the current out of form rabble? Coaching geniuses at work?
Don't take it to the bank, but that's my mail. I can only assume we're more worried about the kid Darcy than anything else.
I don't think they trust Young to play on Darcy, so want JSOS back there as a more experienced player to help shore up the defence. Young not a good match up for Naughton either IMO
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on March 28, 2025, 05:29:27 pm
I don't think they trust Young to play on Darcy, so want JSOS back there as a more experienced player to help shore up the defence. Young not a good match up for Naughton either IMO
I reckon Darcy is good for four goals regardless of who we play on him. He is simply too tall and too good.
We just have to limit his output to that four goal mark and stop the rest of their forwards from scoring.
I would mix it up a bit and give all of our taller defenders a shot at trying to curb Darcy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: sleeper on March 28, 2025, 06:21:52 pm
My 2 cents.... Play Young on Darcy as he has height and reasonable mobility. Let Weitering do his defensive intercepting/helping out as required on Darcy or whoever. He has the footy IQ. Have McGovern or Haynes or failing that Kemp pick up Naughton. Keep JSOS in a forward role with Charlie. Don't care how many disposals or marks Young gets as long as he disrupts Darcy. Young's only got one job....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on March 28, 2025, 06:29:23 pm
I don't think they trust Young to play on Darcy, so want JSOS back there as a more experienced player to help shore up the defence. Young not a good match up for Naughton either IMO
I reckon Darcy is good for four goals regardless of who we play on him. He is simply too tall and too good.
We just have to limit his output to that four goal mark and stop the rest of their forwards from scoring.
I would mix it up a bit and give all of our taller defenders a shot at trying to curb Darcy.
Ideally we'll disrupt/limit his supply.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pertz on March 28, 2025, 07:23:49 pm
My 2 cents.... Play Young on Darcy as he has height and reasonable mobility. Let Weitering do his defensive intercepting/helping out as required on Darcy or whoever. He has the footy IQ. Have McGovern or Haynes or failing that Kemp pick up Naughton. Keep JSOS in a forward role with Charlie. Don't care how many disposals or marks Young gets as long as he disrupts Darcy. Young's only got one job....
Sounds like a good plan Sleeper which is why we'll probably do the opposite! :o
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LoveNavy on March 28, 2025, 07:37:46 pm
If we go in and maintain the hunter attitude for long enough. We win.
If not. It's curtains and up with the pressure guage.
Go Blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2025, 07:40:19 pm
Jack starting back. Young forward.
Might be a stroke of genius. More likely to give people a stroke!