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We probably would pencil this in as a loss, considering how we are going.
So far, we win the first half and lose the 2nd by heaps (about a 10 goal differential), and we're not even close to our best.
I'd be dropping Evans: he wasn't a contributor. H? Elijah? Both would be welcome. Cripps doesn't look 100% at the moment. :(

Quote from: crashlander – on March 29, 2025, 02:42:13 pm

We probably would pencil this in as a loss, considering how we are going.
So far, we win the first half and lose the 2nd by heaps (about a 10 goal differential), and we're not even close to our best.
I'd be dropping Evans: he wasn't a contributor. H? Elijah? Both would be welcome. Cripps doesn't look 100% at the moment. :(

Was Cripp's effectiveness affected by that heavy landing on his 'coccyx' during the game.
Taking a form line through the Bulldogs with a little more efficiency and a similar effort we are a chance.

Quote from: Lods – on March 29, 2025, 03:50:34 pm

Was Cripp's effectiveness affected by that heavy landing on his 'coccyx' during the game.
Taking a form line through the Bulldogs with a little more efficiency and a similar effort we are a chance.

had 5 kicks for the game.  Suspect the knock was a contributing factor but 21 disposals handball heavy and 8 tackles suggests he's carrying something.

Quote from: Lods – on March 29, 2025, 03:50:34 pm

Was Cripp's effectiveness affected by that heavy landing on his 'coccyx' during the game.
Taking a form line through the Bulldogs with a little more efficiency and a similar effort we are a chance.

had 5 kicks for the game.  Suspect the knock was a contributing factor but 21 disposals handball heavy and 8 tackles suggests he's carrying something.

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 29, 2025, 04:14:11 pm

had 5 kicks for the game.  Suspect the knock was a contributing factor but 21 disposals handball heavy and 8 tackles suggests he's carrying something.

I said earlier he appeared to have some padding under his jumper.

Well we might win one or two more after we lose this one and go into the mid season bye with 9 losses and 3 wins.... then what?

Absolutely must win this match.

Quote from: pinot – on March 30, 2025, 12:45:00 am

Well we might win one or two more after we lose this one and go into the mid season bye with 9 losses and 3 wins.... then what?

Absolutely must win this match.

Whilst this match looks as a must win match, we need to look beyond that point somewhat.  This season is looming as a loser for a multitude of reasons, but currently we need to focus less on results and more about method, organisation and the fundamentals tied to future success.

I've often wondered about our team brand of football, and this is the season to focus on it with so many star players completely out of form (or completely out of the team) and get the systems to stack up for next season.

I'm sick of being a team that relies on a pool of 5 to 10 players to play good footy and would prefer our 20 odd top enders stand up.

I read today that Harry played in a scratch match yesterday, I wonder if it was to keep his touch or preparing to return this
Thurs. Fingers crossed🤞

this might sound strange but sometimes the team with the spell /break it works against themand team without the breqak looks fresher 

Blues vs Pies games don't get decided by ladder position form, recent history and I still give us a chance to win the game.
Pies will be favourites and probably feeling a bit cocky and good about their chances but it usually isn't pretty footy and if we can catch them off guard their will be an upset imo.

Blues vs Pies games don't get decided by ladder position form, recent history and I still give us a chance to win the game.
Pies will be favourites and probably feeling a bit cocky and good about their chances but it usually isn't pretty footy and if we can catch them off guard there will be an upset imo.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on March 31, 2025, 06:50:20 pm

Blues vs Pies games don't get decided by ladder position form, recent history and I still give us a chance to win the game.
Pies will be favourites and probably feeling a bit cocky and good about their chances but it usually isn't pretty footy and if we can catch them off guard there will be an upset imo.

Last 20
LLLLL WLWLL LLLWL LLWLL
Our record against these pricks is very poor.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 31, 2025, 08:25:37 pm

Last 20
LLLLL WLWLL LLLWL LLWLL
Our record against these pricks is very poor.

Not great but could also mean we are due.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on March 31, 2025, 08:28:00 pm

Not great but could also mean we are due.

We are due nothing on current form EB.

Yep.

I have us beating west coast and no one else without a proper turn of form.

Players out of form and below their seasonal averages and becoming a liability.

Acres
Fogarty
McGovern
O. Hollands
Docherty
Williams

Saad, Walsh(injury) Charlie (injury) , Haynes next in line

If it was up to me I would not play either of them and try to find some form in VFL just kicking the can down the road with these blokes.

Quote from: pinot – on March 31, 2025, 11:21:24 pm

Players out of form and below their seasonal averages and becoming a liability.

Acres
Fogarty
McGovern
O. Hollands
Docherty
Williams

Saad, Walsh(injury) Charlie (injury) , Haynes next in line

If it was up to me I would not play either of them and try to find some form in VFL just kicking the can down the road with these blokes.

You'll be looking for a while in the 2s to find replacements. If your criteria is two arms, two legs and a pulse, you should be right.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 31, 2025, 11:26:24 pm

You'll be looking for a while in the 2s to find replacements. If your criteria is two arms, two legs and a pulse, you should be right.

These guys are no where near their seasonal averages and no idea if they will get there. Time to unearth some talent.

Carrol, Binns, Moir, Wilson, Lemmey play them.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 31, 2025, 11:26:24 pm

You'll be looking for a while in the 2s to find replacements. If your criteria is two arms, two legs and a pulse, you should be right.

These guys are no where near their seasonal averages and no idea if they will get there. Time to unearth some talent.

Carrol, Binns, Moir, Wilson, Lemmey play them.

I'm not sure how you guys think that dropping players who don't deserve a game, and bringing in players who don't deserve a game will do anything but fracture the playing group, and then instill fear and self preservation in everyone attempting to play footy.

To me there is no greater way to destroy morale, and collaboration and divide a playing group than drop players who have been worthy citizens, in favour of players not putting their hand up for a match.  You think its bad now?  Wait till you see what happens when blokes attempting to play their role are dropped for blokes that arent.

I'm not sure how you guys think that dropping players who don't deserve a game, and bringing in players who don't deserve a game will do anything but fracture the playing group, and then instill fear and self preservation in everyone attempting to play footy.

To me there is no greater way to destroy morale, and collaboration and divide a playing group than drop players who have been worthy citizens, in favour of players not putting their hand up for a match.  You think its bad now?  Wait till you see what happens when blokes attempting to play their role are dropped for blokes that arent.

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 01, 2025, 10:40:27 am

I'm not sure how you guys think that dropping players who don't deserve a game, and bringing in players who don't deserve a game will do anything but fracture the playing group, and then instill fear and self preservation in everyone attempting to play footy.

To me there is no greater way to destroy morale, and collaboration and divide a playing group than drop players who have been worthy citizens, in favour of players not putting their hand up for a match.  You think its bad now?  Wait till you see what happens when blokes attempting to play their role are dropped for blokes that arent.

Nothing erodes morale like losing, 3 Leos - failure to even get near potential. Morale is further eroded when blokes playing well are let down by out of form blokes or not up to it (Evans). You don't think 'carrying' non-hackers erodes morale and confidence? Gifting blokes games based on reputation and good past citizenry is a recipe for... well... what we're seeing.

Matty Carroll, Will White, Ashton Moir, Lucas Camporeale, Billy Wilson and Ben Camporeale (in his brief appearance at VFL level) have all shown in pre-season, and early VFL/AFL games form which warrants reward. Some blokes will not shine at VFL level but show enough in potential and raw talent to be given a gig at senior level. Risky? Yep. Winners take risks.

Persisting with non-hackers will shatter the place, as evidenced by our second half capitulations so far this year - remember, we've led at half time in all our 3 games this year, then when real heat comes in the second half, we fold, badly. That's what happens when you've got 14-16 blokes trying to do their job of 22 - they have to do their jobs and cover for the non-hackers.

The MC must exercise ruthless objectivity when selecting our side, at the moment, much like last year, they're rewarding those who are delivering repeated ordinary poor performances with senior selection based on, what? Reputation? Hope? When you reward ordinary, guess what you get more of!!

Evans...  not sure what to say about him, but he spotted up a 50 metre kick which got Kemp a goal.  Not easy he's no Eddie betts but I bet that he has something endearing.

I think selection will tell a story re Evans.
For most he'd be an obvious 'out'
It may not be notceable to us mere mortals, (it's kind of eluding me) but if he's been given a specific task and has performed it well, got into the right positions, he'll keep his spot.

Quote from: Lods – on April 01, 2025, 12:43:06 pm

I think selection will tell a story re Evans.
For most he'd be an obvious 'out'
It may not be notceable to us mere mortals, (it's kind of eluding me) but if he's been given a specific task and has performed it well, got into the right positions, he'll keep his spot.

Selection i(getting in right) is a tough gig. Yes I know that's their job, but obviously a balancing act ATM. Kids that are not ready vs out of form established players. For me, I'd make a couple of changes. Out Acres, Doc or Evans. In 2 of Moir, White or L. Camporale.
Remember, we've won 2 out of last 12.
It's not a this year only issue

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 01, 2025, 12:26:24 pm

Evans...  not sure what to say about him, but he spotted up a 50 metre kick which got Kemp a goal.  Not easy he's no Eddie betts but I bet that he has something endearing.

....... and he got totally burnt by Motlop when he was in a perfect position for a goal.

Quote from: townsendcalling – on April 01, 2025, 12:38:39 pm

....... and he got totally burnt by Motlop when he was in a perfect position for a goal.

And that's the 2nd time it's happened to him. Cottrell burnt him in exactly the same way in the Richmond game. Is that an indication that his teammates don't trust him to kick a goal from 20m out directly in front? Can't imagine it would be the case just 2 blokes being selfish I think.

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 01, 2025, 12:26:24 pm

Evans...  not sure what to say about him, but he spotted up a 50 metre kick which got Kemp a goal.  Not easy he's no Eddie betts but I bet that he has something endearing.

....... and he got totally burnt by Motlop when he was in a perfect position for a goal.

going the easy option of bagging Evans is no good.  He only found his way onto the list at the 11th hour of the season, and if not for two season ending injuries, may not even be on one.  The fact hes played in 60% of our games this year is an indictment to 40 blokes in front of him (the draftees from last year get a pass).

Quote from: Baggers – on April 01, 2025, 12:18:55 pm

Nothing erodes morale like losing, 3 Leos - failure to even get near potential. Morale is further eroded when blokes playing well are let down by out of form blokes or not up to it (Evans). You don't think 'carrying' non-hackers erodes morale and confidence? Gifting blokes games based on reputation and good past citizenry is a recipe for... well... what we're seeing.

Matty Carroll, Will White, Ashton Moir, Lucas Camporeale, Billy Wilson and Ben Camporeale (in his brief appearance at VFL level) have all shown in pre-season, and early VFL/AFL games form which warrants reward. Some blokes will not shine at VFL level but show enough in potential and raw talent to be given a gig at senior level. Risky? Yep. Winners take risks.

Persisting with non-hackers will shatter the place, as evidenced by our second half capitulations so far this year - remember, we've led at half time in all our 3 games this year, then when real heat comes in the second half, we fold, badly. That's what happens when you've got 14-16 blokes trying to do their job of 22 - they have to do their jobs and cover for the non-hackers.

The MC must exercise ruthless objectivity when selecting our side, at the moment, much like last year, they're rewarding those who are delivering repeated ordinary poor performances with senior selection based on, what? Reputation? Hope? When you reward ordinary, guess what you get more of!!

we are talking about hackers though for downhill skiers and players not up to 4 quarters.

Winning is fickle.  Its a bounce a kick, a missed target.

Lewis Young probably had 2 efforts that cost us the game, but he was a worthy contributor so do you drop him for those efforts or hang onto him for playing his role?

Charlie is giving us half a game at the minute and he's gassed but we are poorer without him than with him and swapping him for anyone is fanciful.

I'm seeing players working and not reaping game day reward for effort by dumb luck.

I'm seeing calls to replace them for replacements sake.  We've been here before.  Players don't stuff up on purpose but pressure is something our team doesn't like and IMHO dropping players will only build it rather than release it.  Nothing changes things like winning but we will win in spite of personell change not because of it at the moment which is an important distinction.

Folks seem keen to give Moir a run, so maybe let it happen.
It's one of those shock tactics that sometimes work.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he kicked three or four.
But don't crucify the kid if it doesn't come off.

Nah, we're a bunch of complainers. ;)

What will happen if it doesn't come off will be that those who saw the VFL game last week will be saying WTF were they thinking 'gifting' him games based on that. :D

It's more a "damned if they do, damned if they don't situation", rather than a "win/win" with football supporters

Nah, we're a bunch of complainers. ;)

What will happen if it doesn't come off will be that those who saw the VFL game last week will be saying WTF were they thinking 'gifting' him games based on that. :D

It's more a "damned if they do, damned if they don't situation", rather than a "win/win" with football supporters

Quote from: Lods – on April 01, 2025, 07:21:40 pm

Nah, we're a bunch of complainers. ;)

What will happen if it doesn't come off will be that those who saw the VFL game last week will be saying WTF were they thinking 'gifting' him games based on that. :D

It's more a "damned if they do, damned if they don't situation", rather than a "win/win" with football supporters

I disagree with you Principal LODS is the nicest possible way  ;D

I don't believe we're a bunch of complainers, most of what I read are folks identifying their perceived issues and coming up with their suggestions to address these issues and improve. To me, a 'complainer' is someone who simply whines about something and offers nothing else.

As for 'gifting games' we're gifting games to Gov, Acres, Evans, Fog and even Walshy and Doc at present. Does that mean we drop all 6? Hell no.

Distilled down to the biggest gifting, would be Evans and Fog. The others we know have what it takes and we back them in to turn their form around - particularly their disposal skills.

I have an odd expectation of small forward... to kick goals... yeah, I know, it's a wild, even bizarre expectation. I am even so silly that I want small forwards to be hungry to kick goals, even greedily so!!! And to have some tricks (Moir?)... now I'm just being a goose. And there is a bloke who has demonstrated good form pre season and in the Magoos - Will White.

A boyhood Bluebagger will debut in one of the biggest stages in football, with Will White to make his AFL debut in front of over 80,000 people at the MCG on Thursday night.

A supplemental selection period signing in pre-season, White’s stunning rise from Carlton Reserves to senior Blue will be completed tomorrow, when he officially becomes Carlton player No.1245.

Id play Moir in the seniors regardless of form and use it as education to fast track him, be doing the same with Lemmey and not rushing Harry back out of desperation. Don't expect any thing more than effort and I'd be doing the same with other young players but not all at once or we will get carved up.

Why did they give Will White a game and overlook Moir ??

Really liked the look of Wil, moves with composure for youngster may well turn out a gem. We need some luck 

Moir is in
Boyd is out ...which seems strange.

OUT: Cottrell, Boyd, Evans
IN: White, Moir, Lord

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1291197/teams-carlton-blues-make-three-changes-collingwood-magpies-tall-call

I wouldn't be surprised to see Williams come out and Boyd go in as a late change.
Moir probably the sub.

Moir is in
Boyd is out ...which seems strange.

OUT: Cottrell, Boyd, Evans
IN: White, Moir, Lord

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1291197/teams-carlton-blues-make-three-changes-collingwood-magpies-tall-call

Moir is in
Boyd is out ...which seems strange.

OUT: Cottrell, Boyd, Evans
IN: White, Moir, Lord

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1291197/teams-carlton-blues-make-three-changes-collingwood-magpies-tall-call

We have kicking problems, can't hit up a bloke in the same coloured jumper to save ourselves.
So to improve our kicking they drop the best kick in our team, Boyd.
Seems really weird, no actually that's standard Carlton protocol.

Are we happy with ins?? Strange Boyd did not get another run but Haynes keeps his spot

I still reckon Boyd will play...unless he went totally against the job he was given last week.

I'd be interested in moving Boyd closer to goals. His pinpoint kicking is what our forwards need and if he needs to bang one through the big sticks himself, he has a fair hoof on him and outside 50 wouldn't worry him.

We have kicking problems, can't hit up a bloke in the same coloured jumper to save ourselves.
So to improve our kicking they drop the best kick in our team, Boyd.
Seems really weird, no actually that's standard Carlton protocol.

Quote from: LordLucifer – on April 02, 2025, 05:44:00 pm

Why did they give Will White a game and overlook Moir ??

They probably watched the last VFL game :D

(I don't think the team's out yet. We know from the club White is playing....not sure about any other ins or outs.)

I don't understand why Collingwood dropped Cox. He isn't a great player, but he is a much better 2nd ruck than any alternative.
Nichevo. Let them make a mistake for a change.

Quote of Napoleon: 'Never interrupt an enemy when he'd making a mistake'.

Let’s make a good start and run out the game until full time.

Quote from: crashlander – on April 02, 2025, 09:04:50 pm

I don't understand why Collingwood dropped Cox. He isn't a great player, but he is a much better 2nd ruck than any alternative.
Nichevo. Let them make a mistake for a change.

Quote of Napoleon: 'Never interrupt an enemy when he'd making a mistake'.

I believe he was seen doing fitness tests earlier in the week, so maybe he is carrying an injury.

Watch old mate Membrey kick 4 tonight. Dines out on us.

And there smalls will cut us up again.

Needed a fit healthy and inform list to get over them - not happening tonight

Pies comfortably 25 plus

 

Quote from: shawny – on April 03, 2025, 09:36:57 am

Watch old mate Membrey kick 4 tonight. Dines out on us.

And there smalls will cut us up again.

Needed a fit healthy and inform list to get over them - not happening tonight

Pies comfortably 25 plus

 

Elliot smashes us most times. Sidebottom will run around all night on his own and will gather 35-40 possessions.

Consider a close loss a win tonight, because we are not travelling well, and these guys are coming off the bye.

This mob prides itself on breaking our hearts.  Us to get away to an early lead, and them to reel us in, kicking a sealer at the death probably via the usual suspects.

Daicos brothers to have a day out.   Pendles and Sidebottom best game of the season.
Membrey will kick 3, Elliot 3, even Schulz loves a goal against us, pencil him in for 2, and from memory McStay has a great record against us too, so expect him to kick a couple along with Mihocek who normally doesnt blank against us either.

McReary will bully most of our younger players, their mids will likely have a day out too, and Moore will intercept all our errant forward entries for most of the game too easily.  TDK will have his hands full with Cameron. 

Maynard to do his bullying best and maim someone halfway through the second quarter sparking the come back. 

You know, I made a topic about who lifts us when we are down.  One thing the pies have in every position is a player thats capable of finding a way to impact the game right when its in the balance.  

Consider a close loss a win tonight, because we are not travelling well, and these guys are coming off the bye.

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 03, 2025, 02:15:14 pm

This mob prides itself on breaking our hearts.  Us to get away to an early lead, and them to reel us in, kicking a sealer at the death probably via the usual suspects.

Daicos brothers to have a day out.   Pendles and Sidebottom best game of the season.
Membrey will kick 3, Elliot 3, even Schulz loves a goal against us, pencil him in for 2, and from memory McStay has a great record against us too, so expect him to kick a couple along with Mihocek who normally doesnt blank against us either.

McReary will bully most of our younger players, their mids will likely have a day out too, and Moore will intercept all our errant forward entries for most of the game too easily.  TDK will have his hands full with Cameron. 

Maynard to do his bullying best and maim someone halfway through the second quarter sparking the come back. 

You know, I made a topic about who lifts us when we are down.  One thing the pies have in every position is a player thats capable of finding a way to impact the game right when its in the balance.  

Consider a close loss a win tonight, because we are not travelling well, and these guys are coming off the bye.

Gidday 3 Leos, yep, that is the best case scenario for the Dagpies, and well said. However...

...Let's consider a best case scenario for us. What we've been working hard at, and nearly succeeding, finally does click into place and our offensive game delivers reward for effort which is reflected on the scoreboard. And Walshy, Doc, Acres... and a couple of others finally find form. Then Charles hits his straps and kicks 6. Kemp continues with his good form and kicks another 5. Add to that TDK resting forward and kicking a couple along with small forwards (finally) chipping in with a few. In other words, we deliver on our potential and kick a winning score and hold them to a losing score.