Some players will be playing for their spots....Their Senior spots. ;D Have a good game and you're every chance of getting a game in the seniors.
The thing I'm looking forward to most is how Ben and Lucas go playing together.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 04, 2025, 05:48:21 pm
Our line-up for Saturday: Carlton
B: Matthew Carroll Ethan Phillips Jordan Boyd HB: Harry Charleson Harry O'Farrell Billy Wilson C: Jaxon Binns Ben Camporeale Lucas Camporeale HF: Corey Durdin Harry Lemmey Rob Monahan F: Francis Evans Harry McKay Dane Harvey R: Hudson O'Keefe Elijah Hollands Heath Ramshaw Int: Ollie Badr Darcy Hogg Luke Nelson Archie Stevens Cooper Vickery
Em: [54] Will Hayes [61] Denver Grainger-Barras [53] Patrick Dozzi [50] Kristian Ferronato [75] Oliver Poole [56] Flynn Riley
I don't expect all of our listed players to play. Our emergencies would be playing any other week. Fitness? Good question. We know the seniors are seriously lacking in fitness and can't play out a game. Ben Campo will be on 3 quarters this week. Elijah and H? Who knows.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 04, 2025, 06:30:27 pm
Will Hayes emergency :)) :))
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Thryleon on April 04, 2025, 06:48:50 pm
Boyd durdin mckay hollands. The only names that can jump in and cause some improvement in the ones.
The rest are kids. Someone will get a go on the back of cowan going out.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: tonyo on April 05, 2025, 11:35:11 am
Boyd durdin mckay hollands. The only names that can jump in and cause some improvement in the ones.
The rest are kids. Someone will get a go on the back of cowan going out.
I think Ben C will be in the 1's after 3-4 games of VFL....
He may take a little while longer, but you feel, with his ability to get where the ball is going, that he will play sooner rather than later. Not sure he improves our disposal much, but he can't make it worse.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 05, 2025, 03:43:41 pm
I think Ben C will be in the 1's after 3-4 games of VFL....
He may take a little while longer, but you feel, with his ability to get where the ball is going, that he will play sooner rather than later. Not sure he improves our disposal much, but he can't make it worse.
Although his disposal way wayward early when he came on for his first hit-out, it did improve... and he did have enough time to improve his disposal because he got so much of it!!
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: laj on April 05, 2025, 07:29:09 pm
Sucks so far. Down 26-1.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 05, 2025, 07:33:24 pm
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: laj on April 05, 2025, 08:09:22 pm
63-13.
Our 13 is the typical Carlton version...............1.7!
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: laj on April 05, 2025, 08:21:53 pm
Think I've seen enough. 10 goals down at half time. Hate to be a Carlton forward although Lemmey has shown something there.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 05, 2025, 08:23:49 pm
Embarrassing...Boys vs Men and no messiah's in the two's unfortunately.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: pinot on April 05, 2025, 08:27:10 pm
Piss poor expected ball movement to be superior considering most are drafted with known good skills despite losing the contested possessions. Loss is okay but the ball movement is extremely poor.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: JonDorotich on April 05, 2025, 08:31:17 pm
Wow a 10 goal hiding at HT
2 things stand out 1. We have no athleticism - Harry McKay looks like he hasn’t had a meal for 6 months, Elijah Hollands is flat footed and aside from being poorly disciplined off the field, is also very average in the field. In fact both Hollands brothers are very average 2. A number of our listed players look a lot worse than VFl also rans - Francis Evans, Billy Wilson etc query whether we’re picking the best available player. Harry OFarrell’s Dad is the club lawyer, Ben and Lucas’ Dad played for the club, Elijah’s brother played for the club - are we selecting the best player?? Wtf is going on.
The only ray of hope is Carroll and that’s it!
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 05, 2025, 08:36:24 pm
Yep, Harry does look like he's lost a bit of weight. At the moment you would probably look at Lemmey for promotion ahead of McKay.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Professer E on April 05, 2025, 08:38:08 pm
Is Carroll doing ok Dorra?
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: JonDorotich on April 05, 2025, 08:40:43 pm
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Professer E on April 05, 2025, 08:41:51 pm
Sounds like he learning to help out Weeters - being constantly under siege with non existent midfield and no wingers in support.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 05, 2025, 08:42:12 pm
A better qtr from the Bluesbaggers yet managed to fall much further behind.
Hard to find many bright lights for our seniors... sheesh, the ball has been in the oppositions hands most of the time!!! 12 gls to 2 at half time says plenty. Boyd's been good, Campo boys have been okay, Elijah has been almost good and almost looks dangerous, O'Keefe is battling hard against a 500kg brute and got more of the ball that qtr, Evans has been Evans - still don't see whatever our recruiters saw.
Binns has been Binns, gets plenty then lets himself down with disposal. One out of left field is O'Farrell... not setting the world on fire but, for a very young big bloke, has shown some impressive glimpses - marking, footy IQ. Sadly Durds has been Durds... 3 possessions to half time. Billy Wilson is learning and at least takes the game on! With ball in hand Matty Carroll is really good... just doesn't get into his hands often enough - so far. Lemmey, presented okay, doesn't hold marks he should, nothing to write home about. And as is too often the case, the best for the navy blues is a VFL listed bloke - Heath Ramshaw.
Not sure I'll even bother watching the second half. This Southport mob is a serious footy outfit... obviously really well drilled and disciplined and you can see they know clearly what to do and are really pretty ruthless in going about it - I'm jealous.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 08:42:51 pm
I can't believe we've gone backwards, but we have. Totally unprofessional! There is absolutely nothing out there!
We're being murdered in the middle. Not only is Crossley killing O'Keefe, but our mids have no idea how to defend. Picking up a man? Are you kidding? Turning the ball over? It looks like it is our trademark!
I find it difficult to watch games on TV now, but I am just so angry! 14 of our players have 5 possessions or less, 8 of them on the senior list! No acceptable!
Our coaching: for the last few years Crossley has killed us in the 2nds, but do we put up someone who might compete with him? Are you kidding? Where are the plans to deal with these clowns? Do we run Crossley around? God knows, he's carrying enough tub!
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 08:44:23 pm
2 quick goals. Amazing what can happen when you get the ball down there.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 08:46:20 pm
God, where did they get these idiot umpires from? They wouldn't recognize a free kick if it kicked them in the head! 9 frees to 23!
Can we win a contest? Doesn't look that way.
Lemmey: if there has been a player to show anything tonight, it is him.
Is it any wonder that Carlton fans get frustrated!
Corey Durdin doing OK in the middle this quarter. Harvey needs to spend 3 years in the Gym.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: kruddler on April 05, 2025, 08:51:02 pm
To all those people demanding Docherty/Acres etc are dropped from the 1's because it 'can't get any worse'...
Exhibit A your honour. 10 goals down at half time against a team with zero AFL players. Imagine them in the 1's!
From what i've seen, Elijah needs to come back in. That is all.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 05, 2025, 08:59:28 pm
Harry getting better as the game goes on.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 05, 2025, 09:00:55 pm
I can't believe we've gone backwards, but we have. Totally unprofessional! There is absolutely nothing out there!
We're being murdered in the middle. Not only is Crossley killing O'Keefe, but our mids have no idea how to defend. Picking up a man? Are you kidding? Turning the ball over? It looks like it is our trademark!
I find it difficult to watch games on TV now, but I am just so angry! 14 of our players have 5 possessions or less, 8 of them on the senior list! No acceptable!
Our coaching: for the last few years Crossley has killed us in the 2nds, but do we put up someone who might compete with him? Are you kidding? Where are the plans to deal with these clowns? Do we run Crossley around? God knows, he's carrying enough tub!
I share you p1ssedoffedness. Serving up this rubbish with so many 'hopes for the future' is embarrassing. Hopefully they wake up and come home with a wet sail!
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 09:04:03 pm
H has had 6 marks and 2 goals this quarter. Should have had 4 goals. Durdin has 6 tackles.
Harry Lemmey also doing OK when given a chance. But, do we butcher the ball!
Carroll showing something this quarter.
Elijah needs a fair bit of time in the 2's: he's marking well, but running poorly.
17 scoring shots to 20.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 05, 2025, 09:07:24 pm
The thing I've liked about Lemmey tonight is that he's looking to get 'involved.' He's covering a lot of ground.
It's not something I've noticed about him in the VFL games I've seen.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Micky0 on April 05, 2025, 09:07:32 pm
Ah Harry looks very obviously much much skinnier! wtf!
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 05, 2025, 09:13:35 pm
A little bit of respectability added.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 09:16:09 pm
Well, the third term was a considerable improvement, but gee we're a long way off the pace! H dominated. Lemmey was dangerous. A lot of our players did more. Only 3 players now have 5 possessions or less. Rob Monahan still looks lost. Very disappointing. Frankie Evans can't even get a kick at this level. What did we see it this guy?
Luke Nelson has only 7 possessions, but he was involved in most of our forward thrusts that quarter. Can't say the same thing about Evans; he's been invisible. 6 possessions, not one of them to advantage. The Camporeale boys are getting a fair bit of the pill, but neither has set the world on fire. Still, something to work with.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 09:22:27 pm
Binns has had 18 possessions, but I just can't see him making it the way he is going. Not hurting the opposition.
Our young bodies getting brushed aside. Frees not helping: Umps hurting us, no doubt. Our decision making still leaves much to be desired.
Vickery showing something. We can't hit the side of a barn from inside. :( Lucas has missed 2 real sitters. Fair dinkum, our disposal is coach killing. The turnovers have been dreadful.
They're trying to even up the frees, but it is far too late.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 09:29:54 pm
Kicking for goal, what a difference. We miss 2 easy one, they make one out of our mistakes.
Shocking decision making.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 09:33:22 pm
Sometimes I wonder why I do this to myself. They make goals from nothing, while we ... we turn gold into faeces.
This quarter has gone backwards. Not getting the ball into the forward line.
Lucas C isn't bad in the air.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: kruddler on April 05, 2025, 09:35:26 pm
Binns has had 18 possessions, but I just can't see him making it the way he is going. Not hurting the opposition.
I'm astounded at how bad some of the players we have kept on the list for a few years are. Binns being right up the pointy end of that.
There are just too many blokes that are slow thinkers or poor disposers of the ball. They will never amount to anything.
Look at that last goal. Southport played a bit of volleyball, tap tap tap goal before we had a chance to do anything about it. Quick thinkers, quick to act. Footballers.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 09:38:49 pm
Ollie Badr gets his 2nd. He makes Will White look like a giant, but he can kick a goal.
Inconsistency. Crossley wins frees while we can't but one. At last one against him! God, these Umps are hopeless! Another gift!
Frustration. We get held, get nothing. They get held less, they get a cheap free and a 50. Turnovers. :(
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 05, 2025, 09:45:39 pm
Reserves play like the seniors, crap.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 09:48:20 pm
Junk time. :( O'Farrell can take a mark, but he just so thin.
14 tackles to Durdin. Getting cramp.
We win the 2nd half, by a couple of points. But the second half was just poor, instead of dreadful.
Why can't we think of some way to negate the oppositions' strength? It seems pretty simple to me. Nobody can get 40 possessions if they get sat on, or the supply isn't there.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Professer E on April 05, 2025, 09:48:56 pm
They look like a group of strangers who have never played together.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 05, 2025, 09:49:49 pm
I'd bring Boyd into the seniors and play him on a wing. We need that kicking into the forward line.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 05, 2025, 09:52:39 pm
Corey Durdin will probably get a promotion based on his tackle numbers.
He also nailed Crossley a couple of times
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Adelaideblue on April 05, 2025, 10:08:15 pm
Hudson O'Keefe looked okay with his ruck work in the second half. In the seniors, we are very much relying on Tom DeKonning staying on the park. it might be a smart move to give Hudson some game time fairly soon..
ab
ps Yes we have Pittonet, but not the smartest footballer
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Professer E on April 05, 2025, 10:19:43 pm
Injured a lot too
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: rocky on April 05, 2025, 10:29:47 pm
Unfortunately had guests over unexpectedly so only got to see bits and pieces of the game. So annoying as I'd set myself up for the night ahead. Anyway, let's preface the result on the fact that the sharks have been VFL poster boys for the AFL to spread the game in the north so the fact the umpires treated them like they were their own love child's was no surprise. Also they have played in 2 of the last 3 VFL grands finals and they are a very polished unit, Good that the 2's played out the 4 quarters. Maybe that could rub off on the seniors.
Matthew Carroll - from what I saw, seemed to be doing OK Jordan Boyd - from what I saw, clearly using the corridor as often as he could, kicked well. Should get a call up Harry Charleson - from what I saw, didn't impress Harry O'Farrell - from what I saw, not sure yet Billy Wilson - from what I saw, no Jaxon Binns - from what I saw, sigh......, not fast enough and still can't kick Ben Camporeale - from what I saw, didn't do a lot Lucas Camporeale - from what I saw, did more than Ben, but, sigh....., kicking is a worry Corey Durdin - from what I saw, did a lot of tackling, looked OK and I'd have him ahead of Motlop Harry Lemmey - from what I saw, played ok. Was competitive Rob Monahan - from what I saw, No Francis Evans - from what I saw, Hell No Harry McKay - from what I saw, agree, H looks real thin. Hope he enjoyed himself out there. His teammates looked to show real support. Hudson O'Keefe - from what I saw, battled hard. May have a future Elijah Hollands - from what I saw, if he's happy enough in his own head, I'd promote him
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: percy on April 06, 2025, 07:33:39 am
Our seniors would struggle to put away Southport. They are an experienced, powerful and well drilled team. Just the same the twos were very poor especially in the first quarter.
Think H has been going to Jenny Craig.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 06, 2025, 08:00:19 am
Unfortunately had guests over unexpectedly so only got to see bits and pieces of the game. So annoying as I'd set myself up for the night ahead. Anyway, let's preface the result on the fact that the sharks have been VFL poster boys for the AFL to spread the game in the north so the fact the umpires treated them like they were their own love child's was no surprise. Also they have played in 2 of the last 3 VFL grands finals and they are a very polished unit, Good that the 2's played out the 4 quarters. Maybe that could rub off on the seniors.
Matthew Carroll - from what I saw, seemed to be doing OK Jordan Boyd - from what I saw, clearly using the corridor as often as he could, kicked well. Should get a call up Harry Charleson - from what I saw, didn't impress Harry O'Farrell - from what I saw, not sure yet Billy Wilson - from what I saw, no Jaxon Binns - from what I saw, sigh......, not fast enough and still can't kick Ben Camporeale - from what I saw, didn't do a lot Lucas Camporeale - from what I saw, did more than Ben, but, sigh....., kicking is a worry Corey Durdin - from what I saw, did a lot of tackling, looked OK and I'd have him ahead of Motlop Harry Lemmey - from what I saw, played ok. Was competitive Rob Monahan - from what I saw, No Francis Evans - from what I saw, Hell No Harry McKay - from what I saw, agree, H looks real thin. Hope he enjoyed himself out there. His teammates looked to show real support. Hudson O'Keefe - from what I saw, battled hard. May have a future Elijah Hollands - from what I saw, if he's happy enough in his own head, I'd promote him
Agree with all the above, saw only bits and pieces my self. From what I saw, Hollands looked like he couldn't be stuffed. Perhaps he was running out of puff?
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 06, 2025, 08:05:09 am
I think both Camoreale boys have shown enough to suggest they'll be senior players sooner rather than later. But they should probably spend a bit more time in the VFL working on a few things. Both have a few issues at the moment with their disposal.
Is it a huge issue or is it just an adjustment one which sometimes comes with fitting into a new side with new team-mates. Lucas had a 90% disposal efficiency in his last U/18 season. It was 47% yesterday. Kevin Sheehan's comment in one of the draft profiles regarding Ben was that "his kicking will get better in a full time environment" So the jury is probably out.
What they do with Harry will be interesting. He looked thin, which has me thinking that whatever is troubling him has also had a physical effect. It took him a while to crack a smile when his team-mates got around him after that first goal. But he seemed to work into the game in that third quarter. How he pulls up after the game and whether he found it a positive experience will probably tell a story...but we wont know that.
It's a toss-up. Do we give him another week or two at this level until he starts to dominate....or is the West Coast the ideal team to reintroduce him to the seniors.
I am a bit perplexed that the best kick in a club with some real disposal issues can't get a game in the seniors. With Cowan, out hopefully Boyd comes in. But I'd like to see him tried in position where his accuracy advantages our forward line.
Really saw some positive signs with Lemmey last night. He's probably still a bit off getting a senior run but hopefully he gets a taste sometime this season.
Durdin did some excellent defensive work with a couple of run-down tackles and 13 in total. He did what Durdin does best and that's probably good enough for a senior spot. The issue may be the team balance with defensive small forwards in Durdin and Fogarty but little or no scoreboard impact.
Elijah may have done enough. At his best he would be a good addition. He was solid at that level but not outstanding.
One that did look good was Carroll and it wouldn't surprise if he doesn't get a senior opportunity very soon.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Blue Moon on April 06, 2025, 08:05:32 am
Only saw the second half, preferred to watch Death in Paradise, it has the same premise as watching Carlton but there is always a happy ending. Southport is a fully developed second tier AFL team. Carlton is not. The VFL used to have a competition for the Reserves called the Commodore Cup, Jesaulenko would refer to it as the Comedy Cup. Carlton has never taken this level competition seriously. It is a development competition for them. O'Farrell, B&L Camporeale, Carroll, Charleson and Monahan all first or second gamers and all showed bits. I was happy with
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 06, 2025, 08:05:38 am
Unfortunately had guests over unexpectedly so only got to see bits and pieces of the game. So annoying as I'd set myself up for the night ahead. Anyway, let's preface the result on the fact that the sharks have been VFL poster boys for the AFL to spread the game in the north so the fact the umpires treated them like they were their own love child's was no surprise. Also they have played in 2 of the last 3 VFL grands finals and they are a very polished unit, Good that the 2's played out the 4 quarters. Maybe that could rub off on the seniors.
Matthew Carroll - from what I saw, seemed to be doing OK Jordan Boyd - from what I saw, clearly using the corridor as often as he could, kicked well. Should get a call up Harry Charleson - from what I saw, didn't impress Harry O'Farrell - from what I saw, not sure yet Billy Wilson - from what I saw, no Jaxon Binns - from what I saw, sigh......, not fast enough and still can't kick Ben Camporeale - from what I saw, didn't do a lot Lucas Camporeale - from what I saw, did more than Ben, but, sigh....., kicking is a worry Corey Durdin - from what I saw, did a lot of tackling, looked OK and I'd have him ahead of Motlop Harry Lemmey - from what I saw, played ok. Was competitive Rob Monahan - from what I saw, No Francis Evans - from what I saw, Hell No Harry McKay - from what I saw, agree, H looks real thin. Hope he enjoyed himself out there. His teammates looked to show real support. Hudson O'Keefe - from what I saw, battled hard. May have a future Elijah Hollands - from what I saw, if he's happy enough in his own head, I'd promote him
For a bloke who saw limited pieces of the game... pretty good analysis, Mr Balboa.
I'll disagree a little with you re the Camporeale boys... they got in and amongst it, disposal by foot needs plenty of work (like about 35 other blokes at PP), but I liked what I saw. Ben seems to have a bit of mongrel about him... we like that - channelled.
As you point out, Durds is a tackling machine - but that's it. I'd definitely have him replace Fog or Mots as he at least has speed over the grass and as a defensive small forward he'll get to more opponents quicker than Fog/Mots and that'll create more stoppages/keep the pill in our forward line. But he is not a creative small forward so expecting lotsa goals from him will be in vain. Will White and Orazio are probably our only two 'creative/opportunistic' small forwards. **sigh**
We could learn a lot from the Sharks about 'team'... they are a machine with everyone on the same page. We are, much like the seniors, very reliant on individual efforts... and for huge chunks of the past few years that's been us in a nutshell - relying on our top-end talent.
The umpiring was hilarious. I don't know how many Sharks players got away with throws and dropping the ball - does that still exist as a rule? And the scene where Boydy got a free and couldn't believe it and actually seemed to ask the ump 'how come? Me? Really?'
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Thryleon on April 06, 2025, 08:10:31 am
Durdin is a much better footballer than we are giving him credit for. His only issue is that he's short. Has wheels, generally uses it well, works up and down the ground and likes a goal. We will be a better outfit with him in the team.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 06, 2025, 08:15:00 am
What they do with Harry will be interesting. He looked thin, which has me thinking that whatever is troubling him has also had a physical effect. It took him a while to crack a smile when his team-mates got around him after that first goal. But he seemed to work into the game in that third quarter. How he pulls up after the game and whether he found it a positive experience will probably tell a story...but we wont know that.
It's a toss-up. Do we give him another week or two at this level until he starts to dominate....or is the West Coast the ideal team to reintroduce him to the seniors.
Also noticed that H seemed a little thinner. Now this is only speculation... perhaps if he had an illness as first offered up by the club - it knocked him about, maybe a gastro thing and that'll sure result in sudden weight loss. Or... maybe... if it was an anxiety thing, this can really strip weight off you - fast. I speak from experience, when my PTSD flares up, panic/anxiety goes through the roof and the weight peels off. Not a pleasant way to lose weight. But my guess is that the fact he took the field means he's on top of, or getting on top of the ailment. I'd play him against the Weagles.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 06, 2025, 08:18:29 am
Durdin is a much better footballer than we are giving him credit for. His only issue is that he's short. Has wheels, generally uses it well, works up and down the ground and likes a goal. We will be a better outfit with him in the team.
As long as we understand that he is not a creative small forward and is a strongly defensively talented kid. Relying on him to hit the scoreboard regularly would be a folly. Totally agree that he would be a better option that Fog/Motlop due to his speed over the grass... gets to opponents and contests much quicker than those two which can only be a big plus.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 06, 2025, 08:24:38 am
Same thing can be said for the seniors - a club wide issue
Nailed by the Professory.
Been a club wide issue for years and still is - reliance on our top end talent. Still playing as a bunch of individuals, with, fortunately, some of them very talented.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 06, 2025, 08:26:10 am
Durdin tackles well and has good speed but can't get enough of the ball or kick goals.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 06, 2025, 08:26:43 am
What they do with Harry will be interesting. He looked thin, which has me thinking that whatever is troubling him has also had a physical effect. It took him a while to crack a smile when his team-mates got around him after that first goal. But he seemed to work into the game in that third quarter. How he pulls up after the game and whether he found it a positive experience will probably tell a story...but we wont know that.
It's a toss-up. Do we give him another week or two at this level until he starts to dominate....or is the West Coast the ideal team to reintroduce him to the seniors.
Also noticed that H seemed a little thinner. Now this is only speculation... perhaps if he had an illness as first offered up by the club - it knocked him about, maybe a gastro thing and that'll sure result in sudden weight loss. Or... maybe... if it was an anxiety thing, this can really strip weight off you - fast. I speak from experience, when my PTSD flares up, panic/anxiety goes through the roof and the weight peels off. Not a pleasant way to lose weight. But my guess is that the fact he took the field means he's on top of, or getting on top of the ailment. I'd play him against the Weagles.
Yep I'm not sure we've touched on it in the mental health thread but at times of high stress many of us lose our appetite. As well as the mental aspect there is usually a physical toll. Unless we got Harry on the scales we don't know for sure, but enough people have commented on it to suggest that he has lost some weight.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 06, 2025, 08:30:45 am
Hudson O'Keefe looked okay with his ruck work in the second half. In the seniors, we are very much relying on Tom DeKonning staying on the park. it might be a smart move to give Hudson some game time fairly soon..
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ps Yes we have Pittonet, but not the smartest footballer
Totally agree. I was actually pleasantly surprised by H.O'K. He was monstered early by the Sharks huge ruckman, who looks like he could carry a half dozen telegraph poles on his shoulder!
Once H.O'K worked out how to play (using smarts - realising he'd never out-muscle this bloke) the Hulk, he really did rise to the occasion and give us plenty of reason for optimism in regards to a valid ruck option.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 06, 2025, 08:35:19 am
O'Keefe doesn't do enough around the ground imo which is what separates the ruckman these days. Handy tap ruck is HOK but you need a 20 plus possession player in the modern game .Crossley is a throw back to Mick Nolan....
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 06, 2025, 08:40:28 am
O'Keefe doesn't do enough around the ground imo which is what separates the ruckman these days. Handy tap ruck is HOK but you need a 20 plus possession player in the modern game .Crossley is a throw back to Mick Nolan....
Yep, agree, he needs to add more strings to his bow. He's raw but you can see that there's something there to work with.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 06, 2025, 10:03:37 am
What they do with Harry will be interesting. He looked thin, which has me thinking that whatever is troubling him has also had a physical effect. It took him a while to crack a smile when his team-mates got around him after that first goal. But he seemed to work into the game in that third quarter. How he pulls up after the game and whether he found it a positive experience will probably tell a story...but we wont know that.
It's a toss-up. Do we give him another week or two at this level until he starts to dominate....or is the West Coast the ideal team to reintroduce him to the seniors.
Also noticed that H seemed a little thinner. Now this is only speculation... perhaps if he had an illness as first offered up by the club - it knocked him about, maybe a gastro thing and that'll sure result in sudden weight loss. Or... maybe... if it was an anxiety thing, this can really strip weight off you - fast. I speak from experience, when my PTSD flares up, panic/anxiety goes through the roof and the weight peels off. Not a pleasant way to lose weight. But my guess is that the fact he took the field means he's on top of, or getting on top of the ailment. I'd play him against the Weagles.
Indeed, there are a lot better ways of losing weight.
I think H may be a week or two away yet, but the signs were promising. But he has definitely changed his body shape.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 06, 2025, 10:07:52 am
Also noticed that H seemed a little thinner. Now this is only speculation... perhaps if he had an illness as first offered up by the club - it knocked him about, maybe a gastro thing and that'll sure result in sudden weight loss. Or... maybe... if it was an anxiety thing, this can really strip weight off you - fast. I speak from experience, when my PTSD flares up, panic/anxiety goes through the roof and the weight peels off. Not a pleasant way to lose weight. But my guess is that the fact he took the field means he's on top of, or getting on top of the ailment. I'd play him against the Weagles.
Indeed, there are a lot better ways of losing weight.
I think H may be a week or two away yet, but the signs were promising. But he has definitely changed his body shape.
Harry looked medicated and a bit away at times, needs another week or two imo.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Professer E on April 06, 2025, 01:48:08 pm
Durdins last game in the seniors in '24 was encouraging, but expecting him to kick more than about a goal a game is pushing it. But at least he gets defenders looking around and gets to a lot of contests....but definitely want him in the twos for another week I reckon.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: pinot on April 06, 2025, 11:26:23 pm
Id take Durdin over Fogarty right now.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Professer E on April 07, 2025, 09:02:18 am
Why do these blokes have another break before their next game? How can they be expected to deliver if there is zero continuity? The schedule is mad, hasn't benefitted out twos for years.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 07, 2025, 04:35:16 pm
Why do these blokes have another break before their next game? How can they be expected to deliver if there is zero continuity? The schedule is mad, hasn't benefitted out twos for years.
That aint the reason why our twos are bad.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 08, 2025, 01:17:44 pm
Why do these blokes have another break before their next game? How can they be expected to deliver if there is zero continuity? The schedule is mad, hasn't benefitted out twos for years.
That aint the reason why our twos are bad.
No, it isn't, but it certainly isn't helping. We've put up with this crap for the last 3 seasons and it hasn't helped us at all. We really need some continuity in our play, especially the youngsters.
And our 2's are extraordinarily young. We have no real experience in the line-up, where our 2 captains are among the oldest players on our list. We miss Hayes, who not only gets it 30 times a game, but is an older head. We just don't have any older heads.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: northernblue on April 08, 2025, 09:46:04 pm
@crashlander, why didn’t Hayes play on Saturday ? He was emergency I think…
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 09, 2025, 12:30:11 pm
@crashlander, why didn’t Hayes play on Saturday ? He was emergency I think…
Indeed he was. I am not sure about his availability: perhaps he was uncertain as to whether he was available. Or maybe because we had so many listed players?
I don't know, I can merely conjecture. I just know that his presence would make a considerable difference to such a young side. I don't think any of the other VFL guys is older than 22: both McMahon and Ramshaw both mentioned it.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Professer E on April 09, 2025, 03:18:37 pm
I think Hayes lives in rural Vic and he is involved in the family business (racing) so he has trouble getting to games. I think that why he walked away from the game in the past
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: LP on April 09, 2025, 05:41:45 pm
I think Hayes lives in rural Vic and he is involved in the family business (racing) so he has trouble getting to games. I think that why he walked away from the game in the past
His brother runs the family farm near Euroa, Lindsay Park, I think they have another down Warrnambool / Portland way, they are based at Flemington I think. He use to ride track work, maybe he still does.
If a thoroughbred stallion doesn't scare you nothing on an AFL field will! ;)
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: pinot on April 09, 2025, 09:22:27 pm
Rob Monahan is no where near VFL level and needs to play at lower levels. He's got good physical attributes but has no idea.
If he cant figure it out after two pre seasons he will never figure it out.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Professer E on April 10, 2025, 10:49:11 am
Yep, great athlete, NFI.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 10, 2025, 04:30:23 pm
Comes back to talent identification and identifying Irish fellas that can transition to AFL takes another level of skill. Out blokes have had difficulty identifying locals lads let alone the Irish ones.
Title: Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park
Post by: LP on April 10, 2025, 04:33:32 pm
If you play high level Gaelic you must have an idea, but it's usually the Hurling crew who take to the physicality better.