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Title: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on April 02, 2025, 12:09:01 pm
I won't be at this one, I won't be finishing work until the game starts. No more Thursday nights for me. So, shout extra loud!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 07:29:15 pm
Moir the sub....not surprisingly.  :(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 07:50:25 pm
Silvagni getting pushed out on the line. This week its ok.

Silvagni pushing someone else on the line last week. Free against.

Footy gods are against us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 08:00:43 pm
Moir being subbed on....who is off??

Apparantly Moo is off.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 03, 2025, 08:01:23 pm

I think Cowan
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 08:09:47 pm
What the hell is Acres doing tonight ??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on April 03, 2025, 08:13:03 pm
What the hell is Acres doing tonight ??

Agree, can’t hit a target to save himself.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 03, 2025, 08:31:20 pm
Liability.  Seen enough.  Back to the twos Sheriff.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 03, 2025, 08:42:53 pm
First half has gone according to script. Let’s hope the second half does not.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on April 03, 2025, 08:43:36 pm
Jesse does not work hard enough sorry.

Otherwise pretty happy with that, not letting ourselves be pushed around Altho gee they don’t mind the arm on the throat stuff 🙄
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 08:55:53 pm
Pressure is up.
Skills is not.

Good to see we are getting the rub of the umps, even though a no-call cost us a goal and they get one the other way.

Moir barely got a sniff of it, but still looks dangerous. Always a flying boot directed at the ball near the goals.

We held them relatively well in the 2nd quarter and managed to get a red-time goal. Those things can win you games.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 09:14:23 pm
McGovern, Williams, Acres & Motlop should never play seniors ever again ................ unreliable & simply not up to it.

And Docherty is finished now, he is not doing the basics that made him the player he was.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: moffat39 on April 03, 2025, 09:16:14 pm
Here we go again. Will go and watch White Lotus.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 03, 2025, 09:16:18 pm
McGovern has become an absolute dud. complete liability.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 09:17:30 pm
What time do we come out from half time?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 09:17:37 pm
McGovern was always an absolute dud. complete liability.

Edited fo accuracy.  :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on April 03, 2025, 09:17:46 pm
Its all over - I'd be surprised if it isnt.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on April 03, 2025, 09:19:11 pm
3.2 v 0.0
Is this where we turn to water. Our plummeting pressure suggest so 🤨
Or.... will we stand up to the heat??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 03, 2025, 09:19:17 pm
100% dark lord....over rated spud.  Play a decent game on Sat nite Matt and half back is yours.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 09:22:41 pm
Moir has been gifted a great opportunity to show what he has to offer and thus far, has been found wanting.

This is another concern to me.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 09:25:02 pm
Moir has been gifted a great opportunity to show what he has to offer and thus far, has been found wanting.

This is another concern to me.

Helps if we got the ball outside of the pies forwardline this quarter.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pertz on April 03, 2025, 09:25:38 pm
Moir has been gifted a great opportunity to show what he has to offer and thus far, has been found wanting.

This is another concern to me.
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It's over. Another second half capitulation I feel..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on April 03, 2025, 09:26:51 pm
Out coached again?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 03, 2025, 09:27:48 pm
Our kids aren't the problem....it's over rated, perennial non-contributors like Williams, McGovern....Docherty is finished....Acres is so out of form he needs to go back to community footy.  And I just don't see it with Motlop...not AFL standard.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 03, 2025, 09:28:49 pm
thank god they they have been inaccurate. should be a 10 goal margin
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 09:31:37 pm
Collingwood has scored 30 points this quarter.
We have scored 1.
We have scored 30 points.....for the whole game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 03, 2025, 09:34:03 pm
After another bad loss, maybe we can start to think differently at MC level and stop selecting the same hacks... Why are some of these crap trucks automatic selections?  Four games of rubbish form is enough to show that somebody else needs a run.  Why is Voss et al rusted on to these blokes?  They just give F all week after week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on April 03, 2025, 09:35:07 pm
So hard to watch.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on April 03, 2025, 09:35:43 pm
Once again we fold. Predictable as that is, it's.... actually I don’t have a word for it 😵
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 09:36:06 pm
After another bad loss, maybe we can start to think differently at MC level and stop selecting the same hacks... Why are some of these crap trucks automatic selections?  Four games of rubbish form is enough to show that somebody else needs a run.  Why is Voss et al rusted on to these blokes?  They just give F all week after week.

Everyone keeps saying this. Its BS.

Who is left to bring in?

WHO should be brought in to replace these hacks? There is nobody left. Only players who haven't played a game yet so don't have the label 'hack' yet.

We brought in Moir, LL is already complaining about him.
Why is anyone else going to be better?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pertz on April 03, 2025, 09:38:24 pm
Collingwood has scored 30 points this quarter.
We have scored 1.
We have scored 30 points.....for the whole game.

A terrible quarter that shows exactly where we are at.
Collingwood leaders stood up and put us under the gun.
No one stood up for us to contact it.
Rolled over and accepted our fate.
Doomed.
C
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on April 03, 2025, 09:41:48 pm
Collingwood has scored 30 points this quarter.
We have scored 1.
We have scored 30 points.....for the whole game.

A terrible quarter that shows exactly where we are at.
Collingwood leaders stood up and put us under the gun.
No one stood up for us to contact it.
Rolled over and accepted our fate.
Doomed.
C
Wanted to press the like button 100 times.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 09:42:23 pm
I'm no fan of Jack Silvagni but he has been exemplary tonight, has not made an error and tried his guts out, he cannot be blamed for this limp effort.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 03, 2025, 09:42:58 pm
And keeping with the same group is just as much BS Kruddler and you know it. Definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
We can't carry e.g. Acres and his disposal errors any longer -any warm body would be better value right now. 

Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 03, 2025, 09:43:11 pm
After another bad loss, maybe we can start to think differently at MC level and stop selecting the same hacks... Why are some of these crap trucks automatic selections?  Four games of rubbish form is enough to show that somebody else needs a run.  Why is Voss et al rusted on to these blokes?  They just give F all week after week.

Cos he is the most under pressure coach in AFL right now,  so he (and MC)  thinks they are trying to choose our best squad to have the best chance of success  -   but based on this crap that doesn't even look like getting close.   As I said after R1 disaster, there is every likelihood we go to 0-7 or at best 1-7,  and MV is starting to walk on thin ice.   There is definitely serious issues in Blues camp,  and no easy fix in sight,   another long slow cleanout is in order.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on April 03, 2025, 09:44:06 pm
Wow, I don’t think I’ve seen us play as stupidly as we are tonight. It seems almost intentional!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 09:45:39 pm
We brought in Moir, LL is already complaining about him.

I have genuine high hopes for Moir but he has hardly been sighted which is the complete opposite of what I was expecting.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on April 03, 2025, 09:46:16 pm
Well I think changes have to happen now - its becoming untenable with a fit list.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on April 03, 2025, 09:47:15 pm
Collingwood has scored 30 points this quarter.
We have scored 1.
We have scored 30 points.....for the whole game.

A terrible quarter that shows exactly where we are at.
Collingwood leaders stood up and put us under the gun.
No one stood up for us to contact it.
Rolled over and accepted our fate.
Doomed.
C

Sadly, it's not just for 1q. It's a trend that started a while back.
Promise everything. Deliver nothing.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 09:47:57 pm
And keeping with the same group is just as much BS Kruddler and you know it. Definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
We can't carry e.g. Acres and his disposal errors any longer -any warm body would be better value right now.

So.....WHO.

I know the problem.

I also know the cupboard is bare.

People bitch and moan but what are the alternatives?

We brought in 3 players tonight that have less than 10 games experience between them.....because that was the best 3 we had.

Who else do we bring in?

You want to stop these fade outs, bringing in kids with no pre-season is not the way to do it.

You wont have to worry about disposal errors when we send Acres back to the 2's because his replacement won't get the ball so can't stuff up the disposal!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on April 03, 2025, 09:48:31 pm
We're an embarrassment
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pertz on April 03, 2025, 09:49:25 pm
We brought in Moir, LL is already complaining about him.

I have genuine high hopes for Moir but he has hardly been sighted which is the complete opposite of what I was expecting.

Let's not focus on Moir ATM. He hasn't been good at all, but where are our experienced leaders?
We are almost waving the white flag, our spirit is broken.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on April 03, 2025, 09:50:13 pm
Its obvious players have lost all faith in this coaching group.

Need to make changes to salvage what we can from this season. Promote Hansen as Interim coach for rest of season - Love Vossy as an AFL person but not up to it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 09:50:59 pm
The next two weeks we have WCE in Gather Round and then the Kangaroos, I can't mount a case to think we will win either of those matches now.

In fact I'm near certain North wil beat us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 03, 2025, 09:52:09 pm
Scoring 1.1 in over 70 minutes of a game is worse than embarrassing....  It's pitiful,  worse than 2's.  Lost for words.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 09:52:51 pm
Well I think changes have to happen now - its becoming untenable with a fit list.

Where does this 'fit list' nonsense come from?

Harry
Elijah
Jagga
Newman
Pittonet
Fantasia
Durdin
Cincotta
Cottrell

and now...Cowan

If any one of them were available, they'd be picked tonight
If they were all fit, you'd have at least 5 in the side tonight.

How many other teams have 5 of their best unavailable? There's maybe a handful who have more unavailable.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 03, 2025, 09:54:23 pm
Players are like Jekyll and Hyde. Play well in the first, then not in the second. Hodge thinks this is psychological and I agree. Emma Murray.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 09:54:54 pm
2.2 since 1/4 time at the moment.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pertz on April 03, 2025, 09:56:21 pm
Players are like Jekyll and Hyde. Play well in the first, then not in the second. Hodge thinks this is psychological and I agree. Emma Murray.
Agree. It's a cancer ATM. Not sure if there is a cure as they are just accepting their fate.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 09:56:55 pm
There was a 'time in front' ladder.

Before tonight, we were 4th with 58% time in front.
The 3 above us are all top 4. Brisbane the odd one out with only 27%.

We obviously falling in a hole after halftime.....but there is 14 other teams that have been in games less than us!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on April 03, 2025, 10:01:59 pm
Vossy is a great man and hope he sticks around the club - but drilling a team with tactical nouse is not his thing.

Good leader but an average drill master and tactician....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on April 03, 2025, 10:03:12 pm
Geez. Pitiful. I hope they've got our race well secured. Fans have every right to be filthy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 03, 2025, 10:05:49 pm
Get off Motlop you deadset crab
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 10:06:14 pm
Motlop misses a set shot from 25m out dead in front ................ one would have thought that a small forward's job is to kick goals, especially those that are "gimmes".

Trade or delist Motlop, he is a fraud of the highest order !!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on April 03, 2025, 10:06:21 pm
We might break another unenviable record with 1 goal in 3qs.
Nothing but nothing excuses that.
Bugger off and play community footy. We'd learn a lot 😬
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Shakin77 on April 03, 2025, 10:08:01 pm
Motlop misses a set shot from 25m out dead in front ................ one would have thought that a small forward's job is to kick goals, especially those that are "gimmes".

Trade or delist Motlop, he is a fraud of the highest order !!

Yeah replace him with Moir...  Oh wait
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 10:10:09 pm
Motlop misses a set shot from 25m out dead in front ................ one would have thought that a small forward's job is to kick goals, especially those that are "gimmes".

Trade or delist Motlop, he is a fraud of the highest order !!

Yeah replace him with Moir...  Oh wait

You need to post more shakin.

Need someone else with logic on this site. Too many emotional posters.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 03, 2025, 10:11:10 pm
So you two are content with Motlop's output tonite then ??  

FMD  ........  :o
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Shakin77 on April 03, 2025, 10:12:44 pm
So you two are content with Motlop's output tonite then ??  

FMD  ........  :o

He needs help mate.

Small Forwards.
Hawks:   Watson, Ginnivan, Moore
Carlton:   Motlop and ????
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 10:13:00 pm
So you two are content with Motlop's output tonite then ??  

FMD  ........  :o

WHO comes in?

There is nobody else behind him.

Go have a look at our list and find me someone. Anyone.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on April 03, 2025, 10:14:03 pm
Its not the players - its the way they are coached and drilled.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 03, 2025, 10:16:22 pm


Yeah replace him with Moir...  Oh wait

You need to post more shakin.

Need someone else with logic on this site. Too many emotional posters.

Pretty sure there's a very good reason for that.  This rabble team is enough to turn the calmest monk into an emotional wreck.  It's really not our fault  -  decades of mediocrity is turning us all into emotional CFC trainwrecks.   Sorry  if that doesn't always equate to your logic requirements :P
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on April 03, 2025, 10:16:27 pm
Collingwood out tackled us when they had the ball - thats as a blatant care factor and desire to compete as you are going to get.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Shakin77 on April 03, 2025, 10:16:46 pm
Carlton supporters screaming for Moir for weeks after he had shown SFA in the VFL.

We can't gift blokes games.   Might be talented by he is miles off AFL standard.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on April 03, 2025, 10:18:23 pm
OK, guys. Over to the post match thread. Let off the steam there. God knows there is plenty to go around.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 In Game Angst Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 03, 2025, 10:19:18 pm
Find me some players to bring in next week to replace all the 'hacks' we have in the side.
Find me someone to replace Acres who had 30 touches, 5 tackles and 3 clearances
Find me someone to replace Motlop who had 11 touches, 3 tackles and 1 shot on goal (more touches than Fogarty, Moir, White)
Find me someone........anyone.....to replace anyone we have in the side.
Bueller......bueller???

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