Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: kruddler on April 12, 2025, 04:38:28 pm
Title: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: kruddler on April 12, 2025, 04:38:28 pm
Got the result we wanted. Now its a short week so we quickly move on to next week.
Couple forced changes likely with McKay (likely concussion) and Kemp (likely achilles) outs.
3 options to replace from what i can tell. Young - AFL conditioned, can play back/forward/ruck.....albeit none very well on recent form. Pittonet - AFL conditioned, is he fit? Just come back from injury but VFL has a bye this week so hasn't played a game. Bring him straight back and allow TDK to rest forward? Lemmey - NOT AFL conditioned. Perhaps the biggest upside. Do we give him a crack while we can or do we leave him in the 2's until he demands a spot.....or he is the last one standing.
What to do?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Lods on April 12, 2025, 04:48:22 pm
Got the result we wanted. Now its a short week so we quickly move on to next week.
Couple forced changes likely with McKay (likely concussion) and Kemp (likely achilles) outs.
3 options to replace from what i can tell. Young - AFL conditioned, can play back/forward/ruck.....albeit none very well on recent form. Pittonet - AFL conditioned, is he fit? Just come back from injury but VFL has a bye this week so hasn't played a game. Bring him straight back and allow TDK to rest forward? Lemmey - NOT AFL conditioned. Perhaps the biggest upside. Do we give him a crack while we can or do we leave him in the 2's until he demands a spot.....or he is the last one standing.
What to do?
I really wouldn't mind any of those options. But all come with a bit of a risk.
Young will give us pretty much what he's given so far this year. He showed a few good bits when he played forward for a bit in his last game but there was also the usual hesitancy.
Pittonet's match fitness would be the thing that would worry me most, but that's probably my favoured option. Tom looks like he could do with some help...and he'd probably spend a lot of the game forward to cover for Harry and Kemp being unavailable
Lemmey had the best game I've seen him play in the VFL last week. He should be given a chance at some stage...whether that's next week we'll have to wait and see.
At the moment I'd go Pittonet, Lemmey then Young. Yet Young's probably the safest option in that we'll know what we'll get.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Shakin77 on April 12, 2025, 08:20:33 pm
They like Young as the 2nd ruck with no Harry.
Whoops. Forgot the Pitto option.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: tex on April 13, 2025, 01:10:15 pm
But worried without Kemp and Harry that they’ll outdo us. Charlie ain’t in good enough shape yet to pull us over the line
NM look good odds here at $3.0
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: pinot on April 13, 2025, 01:38:40 pm
Hope we play Lemmey need to find out what he's got at AFL level. Just want him to bring the ball to ground and he's a good kick and can draw free kicks - if not then stamp his papers and bring in Liam McMahon mid season draft.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Slowhand on April 13, 2025, 01:58:35 pm
Anyone spot Lord in a Moon boot after the game. Hope its just something minor. We all know our luck with injuries....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: rocky on April 13, 2025, 02:03:11 pm
Hope we play Lemmey need to find out what he's got at AFL level. Just want him to bring the ball to ground and he's a good kick and can draw free kicks - if not then stamp his papers and bring in Liam McMahon mid season draft.
Agree but with the coaching staff under pressure Im not sure we will see too many more experimental selections unless the injury toll is massive. Id expect Young to get more games now with Kemp out and both he and Jack Silvagni spending time at each end of the ground depending on in game scenarios. Charlie looked more comfortable and Im expecting him to target the goals a bit better vs Nth but Harry is a bit of a unknown quantity each week and Im not sure we can count on him like we could in the past. I would have given Lemmey a run vs WC but I dont see Voss having the confidence in him at this stage...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Slowhand on April 13, 2025, 02:11:22 pm
Hope we play Lemmey need to find out what he's got at AFL level. Just want him to bring the ball to ground and he's a good kick and can draw free kicks - if not then stamp his papers and bring in Liam McMahon mid season draft.
Agree but with the coaching staff under pressure Im not sure we will see too many more experimental selections unless the injury toll is massive. Id expect Young to get more games now with Kemp out and both he and Jack Silvagni spending time at each end of the ground depending on in game scenarios. Charlie looked more comfortable and Im expecting him to target the goals a bit better vs Nth but Harry is a bit of a unknown quantity each week and Im not sure we can count on him like we could in the past. I would have given Lemmey a run vs WC but I dont see Voss having the confidence in him at this stage...
SOS MUST NOT MOVE FROM THE BACKLINE EVERY AGAIN. He and Weiters look a formidable combo there. Lemmey surely must get a run this week although I suspect it will be Young who comes in for Harry.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 13, 2025, 04:26:35 pm
SOS MUST NOT MOVE FROM THE BACKLINE EVERY AGAIN. He and Weiters look a formidable combo there. Lemmey surely must get a run this week although I suspect it will be Young who comes in for Harry.
Jack is getting better with every game he plays in defence ... and it just seems right to have a Silvagni in the backline :)
I wouldn't have a problem with him going forward during a game, if circumstances require it, but he's a defender first and foremost now and that's where he should play.
We could bring Pitto back and play De Koning as a forward and second ruck but that's not worked well in the past. Lemmey is as ready to debut as he'll ever be but I suspect that it will be Young as replacement key forward and second ruck,
Then there's Kemp's replacement :-\
Moir would seem to be the obvious choice but he's nowhere near ready at this stage. Will we play a slightly underdone Lij Hollands?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: LP on April 13, 2025, 05:16:51 pm
He won't be really all that underdone, blokes miss more time with minor injuries, he hasn't stopped training completely.
I suspect it'll be more about headspace than fitness.
Lij looked underdone and flat-footed in the VFL game last week. He only played limited minutes in the two pre-season games and has one VFL game under his belt. It's pretty obvious that he's a way off match fitness.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Thryleon on April 13, 2025, 08:43:25 pm
Fair bet our ins will be Blake acres and probably young.
Hopefully pittonet is closer.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 13, 2025, 08:56:45 pm
Fair bet our ins will be Blake acres and probably young.
Hopefully pittonet is closer.
While I agree that Acres and Young are the most likely ins, that still leaves us without a third tall forward.
Then there’s the Xerri factor; Pitto might get a call up to look after De Koning.
Pittonet hasn't played a game in the 2s yet has he?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: rocky on April 13, 2025, 09:31:38 pm
While Xerri is normally the best in the business , I have a feeling he is carrying an injury. His input over the last couple of games has been well below par.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 13, 2025, 09:42:02 pm
Pittonet hasn't played a game in the 2s yet has he?
That shouldn't stop him from dropping his knees into Xerri's ribs ... not that I condone violence or think that our MC considers evening up for past transgressions as a team selection factor :)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Thryleon on April 13, 2025, 10:03:29 pm
@DJC, cripps is a better third forward than anyone else on our list amd that was before we lost Kemp.
I dont know what Kemp is, he's a good ordinary player, but he's a player i can't work out what he is, and utility is all I got.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 13, 2025, 10:53:23 pm
@DJC, cripps is a better third forward than anyone else on our list amd that was before we lost Kemp.
I dont know what Kemp is, he's a good ordinary player, but he's a player i can't work out what he is, and utility is all I got.
Cripps hasn't been anywhere near his usual midfield form and using him as a tall forward paid dividends against the Eagles. Whether he can reproduce that tall forward form against genuine AFL defenders is yet to be determined. If I was in charge of the magnets, I would have him in the midfield and "resting" in the forward line.
I think that Kemp was growing into his role as a tall forward but we're going to have to wait for 12 months to see if he is the third tall we need.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: LP on April 14, 2025, 07:59:35 am
It seems one of a major opposition tactics against us is to push hard ahead of the footy, I gather it is a tactic designed to leverage our lesser leg speed. But I have to wonder why we haven't developed some countermeasures to get Charlie, Harry, McGovern, Weitering and TDK out on the F50 arc more, such that opposition just cannot afford to sit back leaving us lateral space to move in.
Even if the goal scoring percentages are low for that tactic, generate enough shots from those few who can go the journey and the opposition will quickly stop flooding back so deeply as they can't afford to hold on to hope of a miss. Eventually that'll start to open up space somewhere.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2025, 08:44:34 am
@DJC, cripps is a better third forward than anyone else on our list amd that was before we lost Kemp.
I dont know what Kemp is, he's a good ordinary player, but he's a player i can't work out what he is, and utility is all I got.
Cripps hasn't been anywhere near his usual midfield form and using him as a tall forward paid dividends against the Eagles. Whether he can reproduce that tall forward form against genuine AFL defenders is yet to be determined. If I was in charge of the magnets, I would have him in the midfield and "resting" in the forward line.
I think that Kemp was growing into his role as a tall forward but we're going to have to wait for 12 months to see if he is the third tall we need.
Kemp's form, like Carlton's, is inconsistent. He has the tools, is young and has demonstrated on multiple occasions he can perform the fwd role more than adequately. He barely touched the footy on thew weekend but his injury is terrible shame for the lad and for the Club. This will be his second "big" injury, remember we drafted him coming off an ACL. Ditto re Cripps and wouldnt allow him anywhere near Xerri.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: LordLucifer on April 14, 2025, 08:54:47 am
Young has to come in and play at full-back, he isn't much chop anywhere else.
Yes, Pittonet should be recalled to lighten the load around the ground and in the ball-ups.
As for Lemmey, how much longer can he remain on the list if he hasn't looked like gracing the seniors ?? We all need to know what we have with him so it's time to give him a chance because he will certainly stretch the young Kangaroo defence.
I can see another change with a small coming in somewhere.
IN : Young, Lemmey, Pittonet, Boyd
OUT : McKay (inj), Kemp (inj), White, Williams
By the way, 12 players contributed a mere 5 tackles between them against WCE (seven of them had zero tackles), that is completely & utterly unacceptable on every possible level. Do that against a higher ranked team and we will always come off second best.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 14, 2025, 09:11:22 am
Young has to come in and play at full-back, he isn't much chop anywhere else.
Yes, Pittonet should be recalled to lighten the load around the ground and in the ball-ups.
As for Lemmey, how much longer can he remain on the list if he hasn't looked like gracing the seniors ?? We all need to know what we have with him so it's time to give him a chance because he will certainly stretch the young Kangaroo defence.
I can see another change with a small coming in somewhere.
IN : Young, Lemmey, Pittonet, Boyd
OUT : McKay (inj), Kemp (inj), White, Williams
By the way, 12 players contributed a mere 5 tackles between them against WCE (seven of them had zero tackles), that is completely & utterly unacceptable on every possible level. Do that against a higher ranked team and we will always come off second best.
It’s always hard to tackle when the opposition doesn’t have the ball.
We have averaged 75 tackles in our other four games and I don’t think that tackling or defensive pressure is an issue.
There’s no way that Williams and White will be dropped and it would be a slow, lumbering squad if Young, Lemmey and Pitto all got a game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Professer E on April 14, 2025, 09:33:20 am
Yea, Williams won't ever be dropped after the last fortnight. Special.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2025, 09:47:56 am
Young has to come in and play at full-back, he isn't much chop anywhere else.
Yes, Pittonet should be recalled to lighten the load around the ground and in the ball-ups.
As for Lemmey, how much longer can he remain on the list if he hasn't looked like gracing the seniors ?? We all need to know what we have with him so it's time to give him a chance because he will certainly stretch the young Kangaroo defence.
I can see another change with a small coming in somewhere.
IN : Young, Lemmey, Pittonet, Boyd
OUT : McKay (inj), Kemp (inj), White, Williams
By the way, 12 players contributed a mere 5 tackles between them against WCE (seven of them had zero tackles), that is completely & utterly unacceptable on every possible level. Do that against a higher ranked team and we will always come off second best.
Now cloven hooved one, you've been on the oil of gnat, eye of neut and desiccated bat wings again ;) .
We can't be bringing in Lemmey for the sake of change... he still needs more development and time which is typical of big fellas.
White and Williams both bring a much needed commodity to our small forward brigade - speed over the grass.
Voss indicated E Hollands was likely to get a call up. Probably at the expense of White, which is a shame because this kid has got something - with his leg speed he gets to contests and with ball in hand shows a clean pair of heels, something of a novelty for our small forwards! I'd look to giving Fog a rest (for Lij), but he is clearly a Voss sentimental fave (along with Doc) so he aint going anywhere.
If Boyd comes in, who does he replace?
Young and Pitto are the obvious inclusions for H and Kempy. Or are they? Pitto? Yes. Young? Not so sure.
And Acres will return, probably at the expense of Lord, which, again is a shame because this kid hits contests hard, has a good footy IQ and with he and Mots getting midfield time, Crippa can spend more time forward which gives opposition backlines a bona fide headache. If the MC had the kahunas they wouldn't bring in Young, preferring our tall forwards to be a rotation of TDK, Pitto and Crippa - with Charles the other tall.
I'd definitely continue the Mots to the middle experiment - he seems to love being in the action and is a difficult match-up. Actually looks more dangerous there than as a small forward!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2025, 09:48:29 am
Young has to come in and play at full-back, he isn't much chop anywhere else.
Yes, Pittonet should be recalled to lighten the load around the ground and in the ball-ups.
As for Lemmey, how much longer can he remain on the list if he hasn't looked like gracing the seniors ?? We all need to know what we have with him so it's time to give him a chance because he will certainly stretch the young Kangaroo defence.
I can see another change with a small coming in somewhere.
IN : Young, Lemmey, Pittonet, Boyd
OUT : McKay (inj), Kemp (inj), White, Williams
By the way, 12 players contributed a mere 5 tackles between them against WCE (seven of them had zero tackles), that is completely & utterly unacceptable on every possible level. Do that against a higher ranked team and we will always come off second best.
It’s always hard to tackle when the opposition doesn’t have the ball.
We have averaged 75 tackles in our other four games and I don’t think that tackling or defensive pressure is an issue.
There’s no way that Williams and White will be dropped and it would be a slow, lumbering squad if Young, Lemmey and Pitto all got a game.
Spot on.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Professer E on April 14, 2025, 09:55:33 am
Hang in there Dark Lord, it will turn eventually.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 14, 2025, 10:00:56 am
Don't want to be top heavy vs Nth imo, bring in Pittonet and we will look very slow. They have been poor this season but enjoy playing us and we need to get selection right and have options vs their problem players. I'm expecting a physical game and close scoreboard.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: pinot on April 14, 2025, 10:16:37 am
No to Pitto for mine - drops too many easy marks and doesnt tackle enough. Has good grunt but hasnt played a game for a very long time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 14, 2025, 10:25:15 am
Don't want to be top heavy vs Nth imo, bring in Pittonet and we will look very slow. They have been poor this season but enjoy playing us and we need to get selection right and have options vs their problem players. I'm expecting a physical game and close scoreboard.
I wouldn’t rule out Pitto but the MC would have to have their thinking caps on to ensure that we don’t field a slow squad.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: ratlice on April 14, 2025, 10:36:12 am
Young has to come in and play at full-back, he isn't much chop anywhere else.
Yes, Pittonet should be recalled to lighten the load around the ground and in the ball-ups.
As for Lemmey, how much longer can he remain on the list if he hasn't looked like gracing the seniors ?? We all need to know what we have with him so it's time to give him a chance because he will certainly stretch the young Kangaroo defence.
I can see another change with a small coming in somewhere.
IN : Young, Lemmey, Pittonet, Boyd
OUT : McKay (inj), Kemp (inj), White, Williams
By the way, 12 players contributed a mere 5 tackles between them against WCE (seven of them had zero tackles), that is completely & utterly unacceptable on every possible level. Do that against a higher ranked team and we will always come off second best.
Hard to tackle when you have the ball in your hands!!!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Shakin77 on April 14, 2025, 11:01:30 am
@DJC, cripps is a better third forward than anyone else on our list amd that was before we lost Kemp.
I dont know what Kemp is, he's a good ordinary player, but he's a player i can't work out what he is, and utility is all I got.
I think we saw a little bit in the 2nd half that they will use Cripps forward. With Hewitt, Cerra, Walsh and Lord that makes a little bit of sense. Pitto isn't good enough to play first up.
We are keen again to drop our small forwards. I thought by committee the small forwards in Motlop, Durdin, White and Williams played well. If Ellijah is match fit I would bring him in as he offers a different dynamic up forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Professer E on April 14, 2025, 11:01:54 am
...and the other mob aren't trying. Seriously, we only broke away when they forget to come out after half time.
Norf will beat us up - they always do.
I wouldn't get over excited by Motlop'sgame - had nothing to beat. The likes of Reid didn't exactly put much heat on him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2025, 11:31:49 am
...and the other mob aren't trying. Seriously, we only broke away when they forget to come out after half time.
Norf will beat us up - they always do.
I wouldn't get over excited by Motlop'sgame - had nothing to beat. The likes of Reid didn't exactly put much heat on him.
The only two for them that had a dip were the ex Rich blokes and their ruckman.
Yep, it was a strange game to watch and with Kelly out I thought Reid might step up but he looked disinterested and I think McQualter has a huge task getting WC back on track.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: kruddler on April 14, 2025, 01:15:18 pm
Don't want to be top heavy vs Nth imo, bring in Pittonet and we will look very slow. They have been poor this season but enjoy playing us and we need to get selection right and have options vs their problem players. I'm expecting a physical game and close scoreboard.
I wouldn’t rule out Pitto but the MC would have to have their thinking caps on to ensure that we don’t field a slow squad.
When playing 2 rucks, they usually get 3/4's of the game on the bench between them. Pitto really only needs to play 50% game time, and for a first up game, thats about right. It means TDK only has to play 75% game time.....and some of that can essentially be resting forward. So its an 'easy' 75% game time rather than a pure ruck 75% game time. So he will get a rest on top of that.
Before people (incorrectly) try and call me out for 2 rucks, its ALWAYS in the case we haven't got 2 talls in the forwardline already.....with Harry out, we won't.
As for the alternatives, which i listed in the opening post, i'm not sure there is a winning choice. All come with pros and cons.
I think my preference would be.... 1. Lemmey - If not now, then when? Poor opposition when we are a tall down and he played a half decent game in the VFL. Why not? 2. Pittonet - It makes the most sense structurally, just depends if he is fit. 3. Young - We know what we will get.....and in all honesty, we want better.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: LordLucifer on April 14, 2025, 01:56:33 pm
Xerri is the inform, dominant ruckman in the competition right now, we need Pittonet to play in tandem with TDK so Xerri is under constant pressure in the role.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: laj on April 14, 2025, 02:27:55 pm
@DJC, cripps is a better third forward than anyone else on our list amd that was before we lost Kemp.
I dont know what Kemp is, he's a good ordinary player, but he's a player i can't work out what he is, and utility is all I got.
I think we saw a little bit in the 2nd half that they will use Cripps forward. With Hewitt, Cerra, Walsh and Lord that makes a little bit of sense. Pitto isn't good enough to play first up.
We are keen again to drop our small forwards. I thought by committee the small forwards in Motlop, Durdin, White and Williams played well. If Ellijah is match fit I would bring him in as he offers a different dynamic up forward.
I actually liked Motlop when he went into the midfield.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: cookie2 on April 14, 2025, 02:29:03 pm
Xerri is the inform, dominant ruckman in the competition right now, we need Pittonet to play in tandem with TDK so Xerri is under constant pressure in the role.
Tend to agree. Pitto can provide the muscle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: laj on April 14, 2025, 02:29:32 pm
@DJC, cripps is a better third forward than anyone else on our list amd that was before we lost Kemp.
I dont know what Kemp is, he's a good ordinary player, but he's a player i can't work out what he is, and utility is all I got.
I think we saw a little bit in the 2nd half that they will use Cripps forward. With Hewitt, Cerra, Walsh and Lord that makes a little bit of sense. Pitto isn't good enough to play first up.
We are keen again to drop our small forwards. I thought by committee the small forwards in Motlop, Durdin, White and Williams played well. If Ellijah is match fit I would bring him in as he offers a different dynamic up forward.
Like Dangerfield I reckon, as Cripps gets older, he will spend more time foward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: rocky on April 14, 2025, 02:54:59 pm
Xerri is the inform, dominant ruckman in the competition right now, we need Pittonet to play in tandem with TDK so Xerri is under constant pressure in the role.
I can assure you he is NOT the dominant inform ruckman of the competition right now and as I suggested earlier he may be carrying an injury.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Shakin77 on April 14, 2025, 03:16:22 pm
Xerri has battled with a hamstring complaint since the Crows game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: shawny on April 14, 2025, 03:17:39 pm
Wont be like playing the witches hats we played on Saturday this week. They have copped it in the media lately after pumping Melb in there only good game of the year - they will be keen to play well in a marque game they have against us.
Larkey seems to grow taller playing us. One forward that seems to really bother Weiters.
Also their coach loves to rub our nose in it (still never forgive him for what he did to stop Fev kicking his 100)
Will take Voss to be at his best to have a win in the coaches box against this pr1ck and anything but full 100% effort by our blokes wont get it done this week.
North at $3 is way overs imo. Good test for us
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 14, 2025, 03:19:17 pm
Xerri is the inform, dominant ruckman in the competition right now, we need Pittonet to play in tandem with TDK so Xerri is under constant pressure in the role.
I can assure you he is NOT the dominant inform ruckman of the competition right now and as I suggested earlier he may be carrying an injury.
Cameron is the best ruck in the comp at the minute IMHO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: pew2 on April 14, 2025, 03:23:59 pm
acres,boyd in white stays 1 of young / lemney come in pitto and Hollands E need match fitness
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 14, 2025, 04:30:04 pm
I can assure you he is NOT the dominant inform ruckman of the competition right now and as I suggested earlier he may be carrying an injury.
Cameron is the best ruck in the comp at the minute IMHO.
He'd have to be pretty close EB, although I thought Grundy took the points on Friday ... and Gawn is still performing well despite Melbourne's woes. I'd have Tom ahead of Xerri based on his work around the ground.
North's go to second ruck is Jack Darling so it doesn't really matter who does that role for us; Crippa might improve his ruck stats :)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2025, 05:17:04 pm
Xerri is the inform, dominant ruckman in the competition right now, we need Pittonet to play in tandem with TDK so Xerri is under constant pressure in the role.
Tend to agree. Pitto can provide the muscle.
Xerri will smack him into next week and he'll get injured.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: crashlander on April 14, 2025, 06:59:25 pm
Xerri is the inform, dominant ruckman in the competition right now, we need Pittonet to play in tandem with TDK so Xerri is under constant pressure in the role.
Our last game against them..... https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2024/031220240721.html
Xerri had 43 hitouts and 11 clearances, 16 touches TDK had 19 and 8, 15 touches.
We won the game by 3 goals.
Earlier in the year.... https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2024/031220240329.html Xerri had 32 hitouts and 10 clearances, 13 touches TDK had 31 and 4, 13 touches.
We won the game by 10 goals.
I'm not worried about Xerri.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 14, 2025, 08:11:50 pm
Xerri is the inform, dominant ruckman in the competition right now, we need Pittonet to play in tandem with TDK so Xerri is under constant pressure in the role.
Our last game against them..... https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2024/031220240721.html
Xerri had 43 hitouts and 11 clearances, 16 touches TDK had 19 and 8, 15 touches.
We won the game by 3 goals.
Earlier in the year.... https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2024/031220240329.html Xerri had 32 hitouts and 10 clearances, 13 touches TDK had 31 and 4, 13 touches.
We won the game by 10 goals.
I'm not worried about Xerri.
I’m worried that he’ll break Tom’s ribs again, or that Tom will get in first and will face a lengthy suspension.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: pinot on April 14, 2025, 08:48:09 pm
Defense has been good all year - need two forwards to come in and leave Crippa as a key forward this week. Lemmey and Lij
Lemmey having five touches, hitting the score board once one tackle and three hit outs would be alot more long term benefit than persisting with Young who would have roughly the same output..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: rocky on April 16, 2025, 11:52:06 am
The word I have is that both Pitt and Young playing with Young up forward
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: pew2 on April 16, 2025, 03:29:49 pm
north play modern footy quick hands ,quick ball movement ,hopefully we bring in some quicks
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 16, 2025, 03:51:04 pm
north play modern footy quick hands ,quick ball movement ,hopefully we bring in some quicks
Yep, getting top heavy with talls and having players who can only play one position like Pittonet wont work imo. Nth have been on the ropes this week with Clarkson getting hammered over their lack of rebuild success and the master coach is going to want to show they are on the right track and will treat this game as a final given Nth rarely feature in any big event games and we need to get team selection right.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: kruddler on April 16, 2025, 04:00:30 pm
The word I have is that both Pitt and Young playing with Young up forward
*facepalm*
May as well play Moir out of FF. Might only get half the possessions, but will get double the goals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: LP on April 16, 2025, 05:03:20 pm
If we are making that many radical MC changes, the list health situation must be worse than the club is letting on.
Can someone now please explain how it can be that Russell got the kyboshed?
I'm all for Voss and Cook, in Cook we trust, but it's clear something is quite right, but the good thing is just like the old Carlton if we don't know neither can the opposition! ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: kruddler on April 16, 2025, 05:24:56 pm
If we are making that many radical MC changes, the list health situation must be worse than the club is letting on.
Can someone now please explain how it can be that Russell got the kyboshed?
I'm all for Voss and Cook, in Cook we trust, but it's clear something is quite right, but the good thing is just like the old Carlton if we don't know neither can the opposition! ;)
When someone unqualified tries to do the job of someone hired to do the job, then they are usually gone within 12 months. Malthouse - MC tried to tell him how/when to coach/rebuild Silvagni - Liddle tried to draft/trade in his favourites Russell - Vossy overruled him. There was another option i had, but now it escapes me.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: pinot on April 16, 2025, 06:18:44 pm
Would have preferred Lemmey but Young is fine if thats the case. He'll keep a key defender busy enough.
Young + Pitto + TDK same side spells danger to me
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Thryleon on April 16, 2025, 06:47:04 pm
If we are making that many radical MC changes, the list health situation must be worse than the club is letting on.
Can someone now please explain how it can be that Russell got the kyboshed?
I'm all for Voss and Cook, in Cook we trust, but it's clear something is quite right, but the good thing is just like the old Carlton if we don't know neither can the opposition! ;)
When someone unqualified tries to do the job of someone hired to do the job, then they are usually gone within 12 months. Malthouse - MC tried to tell him how/when to coach/rebuild Silvagni - Liddle tried to draft/trade in his favourites Russell - Vossy overruled him. There was another option i had, but now it escapes me.
Did that happen (bold bit)?
If so, then Voss might need to be the one to go. Or are you inferring that from Charlie last season?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Professer E on April 16, 2025, 08:14:06 pm
Round six and we're already scraping the bottom of the barrel. Season = kaput.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: kruddler on April 16, 2025, 09:04:21 pm
When someone unqualified tries to do the job of someone hired to do the job, then they are usually gone within 12 months. Malthouse - MC tried to tell him how/when to coach/rebuild Silvagni - Liddle tried to draft/trade in his favourites Russell - Vossy overruled him. There was another option i had, but now it escapes me.
Did that happen (bold bit)?
If so, then Voss might need to be the one to go. Or are you inferring that from Charlie last season?
That was the rumour going around at the time. It was sold as.... If you are not going to take my advice and do what you wanna do anyway, then why am I here? And he left.
Again unconfirmed rumour, but yes not a good look if true.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 16, 2025, 09:25:18 pm
If so, then Voss might need to be the one to go. Or are you inferring that from Charlie last season?
That was the rumour going around at the time. It was sold as.... If you are not going to take my advice and do what you wanna do anyway, then why am I here? And he left.
Again unconfirmed rumour, but yes not a good look if true.
But we know from Russell’s own comments that he wasn’t responsible for rehab/player availability. The medical staff were calling the shots, and that’s how it should be.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 16, 2025, 10:06:23 pm
That was the rumour going around at the time. It was sold as.... If you are not going to take my advice and do what you wanna do anyway, then why am I here? And he left.
Again unconfirmed rumour, but yes not a good look if true.
But we know from Russell’s own comments that he wasn’t responsible for rehab/player availability. The medical staff were calling the shots, and that’s how it should be.
Correct. Saw Russell on the weekend sunning it up in Noosa.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Lods on April 16, 2025, 10:30:13 pm
I don't recall him ever mentioning Voss over-ruled him. It appears his beef was that he was sidelined from looking after the rehab group and concentrated (with Voss) more on the healthy players...and in the end he was the one copping all the criticism for injuries and players returning too soon from injury.
“I wasn’t involved in a lot of the rehab of a lot of these players once they got injured, which is the way the club set it up. So that was a bit disappointing that I couldn’t have more of an influence on some of those guys, but I was the one in the hot seat and I was the one that copped some of the criticism for it.
“In the end I focused on the healthy group, working with ‘Vossy’ (Blues coach Michael Voss) and Ash (assistant Ash Hansen) and the coaches. We had a healthy group that was in great shape as well and that sort of got glossed over a bit. We actually had a lot of guys play a lot of footy last year and play really, really good footy.
He actually accepts a bit of responsibility for not pushing harder to get that extra control, which he'd do if he had his time again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Lods on April 16, 2025, 11:11:40 pm
Just on the change in fitness guys. When a regime has been in place for some time, as with Russell, then a change in the person overseeing that program may take a little time to have a significant impact. It's a bit like turning the Titanic. It may take time but... Once you get clear of the iceberg it's a bit smoother sailing. Sometimes you need to 'dismantle' a player to some extent, before rebuilding a bigger,better model. Five games in really is a little early to judge Inness. Let's see how things progress as the year goes on and we'll probably have a clearer picture at season's end.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: kruddler on April 17, 2025, 05:33:11 am
That was the rumour going around at the time. It was sold as.... If you are not going to take my advice and do what you wanna do anyway, then why am I here? And he left.
Again unconfirmed rumour, but yes not a good look if true.
But we know from Russell’s own comments that he wasn’t responsible for rehab/player availability. The medical staff were calling the shots, and that’s how it should be.
Yes, we heard his comments. At the.tkme I picked holes in them.
As I said it was a rumour. Thus can't be verified.
I can't recall everything that was said on the matter nor.my comments rebutting them exactly. However, when does a player turn from not being injured to being fully fit? Does he have any say jn that period? That is ultimately where we fell down. If he doesn't (which is a grey area) is that because he tried to overstep and butted isn't rehab areas? There are large holes in his comments that can very much lay blame at his feet. His comments do not prove innocence....if you believe them at all. Remember liddle never told sos who to pick either.....if you listen to his comments on the matter.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Lods on April 17, 2025, 06:47:23 am
That's the problem with a lot of this... Clubs and their personnel are never going to give detailed information about what transpires/d. Things are often left kind of vague. That void is filled with speculation. Speculation becomes rumour ("I heard from someone in the club....") Rumour becomes fact, and we tend to side with, or believe, the people we think are the good guys against those we think are bits of pricks.
The truth is often a lot more complicated than that. Working relationships in any work place are complex and dynamic. I suspect football clubs would be even more so because the people working in them come from different backgrounds. To some the club is just a workplace to others it's been a life long association and passion. From the outside we never know for sure what's happened. We should keep an open mind. Because it may be the person we think is the good guy, was actually the prick.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Lods on April 17, 2025, 07:09:17 am
We're drifting a bit away from the prematch If we want to continue the discussion let's take it to a relevant thread in the injury section,with a bit of cut and paste.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2025, 09:31:30 am
Well that's pretty concerning, not one of my CFC supporter buddies would be surprised if we lost this one! Even my always positive mate in Canberra!
They all (we're only talking about 5 people here!) mentioned that we, in every game, let our opponents in... we even let the Weagles in from time to time, going coast to coast, they just didn't have any finishers to take full advantage. If we let the Kangabies have a sniff, well, that could get ugly.
My head says, 'This'll be interesting but we should win by around 5gls plus. Although, if they bring consistent heat, we might just fold. We just can't trust our mob, at present.' My heart, on the other hand is worried and devoid of confidence.
Then of course there's the MC factor. Sentimental, conservative and hopeful selections to abound.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: kruddler on April 17, 2025, 09:38:17 am
Then of course there's the MC factor. Sentimental, conservative and hopeful selections to abound.
This is the thing that matters.
Over the past 5 years or so, the amount of games we've lost at the selection table I'd suggest is larger than the amount of games we've lost in the coaches box.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 17, 2025, 09:40:14 am
I'm backing us to win vs Nth but not with much conviction and more based on Nths poor form than anything wonderful I expect from us. A close game with Cripps and Walsh seeing us home and Charlie being more productive.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2025, 09:55:40 am
Then of course there's the MC factor. Sentimental, conservative and hopeful selections to abound.
This is the thing that matters.
Over the past 5 years or so, the amount of games we've lost at the selection table I'd suggest is larger than the amount of games we've lost in the coaches box.
Yep. Agree. And either way it's an indictment.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Professer E on April 17, 2025, 10:04:47 am
The media and Clarkson will have Norf amped up and I expect them to smash us early before easing up and letting us back in late for a 2-3 goal win to Norf.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Thryleon on April 17, 2025, 10:26:55 am
I'll summarise. Our fortunes hinge on the form of our best. If charlie, weiters, cripps ans walsh play well, we win.
Hewett is quickly part of that conversation and inho has been our best player this season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: kruddler on April 17, 2025, 10:28:28 am
The media and Clarkson will have Norf amped up and I expect them to smash us early before easing up and letting us back in late for a 2-3 goal win to Norf.
Looking back 6 months and there was not a question on if we would win or not. Instead the question was by how much.
Since then it's basically been injuries that has hurt us. But it seems the biggest issue has been the hit to the confirldence of the supporter base.
I don't see how we can lose this game if we pick a half decent side and remain half fit throughout the game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 17, 2025, 11:25:43 am
Lij Hollands is back and I think that he is an important part of a functional forward line.
As Dwayne Russell pointed out several times during last Saturday’s broadcast, we’re in pretty good form despite not winning. It seems to me that Vossy has remedied a problem area with each game and has finally got us playing the way he wants - even if West Coast’s ineptitude helped out.
Even with Harry and Kempy out, our forward line is finally starting to click and Charlie looks like he’s back to best. Our forwards should capitalise on the hard work of our defenders and midfielders and I think that we’ll give the Shinboners a good, old fashioned shellacking!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: LP on April 17, 2025, 03:56:25 pm
As Dwayne Russell pointed out several times during last Saturday’s broadcast, we’re in pretty good form despite not winning.
Should that be "Good form for 1/2 a game!"
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: cookie2 on April 17, 2025, 04:15:48 pm
17 goals 19 sort of sums us up at the moment. If we could make a significant and consistent improvement on that conversion rate we might become a bit more formidable. Otherwise we will continue to push it uphill.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2025, 05:35:16 pm
For me. I'd go: In Pittonet E Hollands Acres Out McKay (ink) Kemp (ink) White (omitted)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Thryleon on April 17, 2025, 06:28:41 pm
Hollands acres and young for McKay, Kemp and docherty.
Well, it's happened. Docherty has gotten the chop. Not sure he should but thats neither here nor there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2025, 06:45:09 pm
Holy mackerel, kahunas from the MC!! Omitting Doc is a strong and important statement. I feel for Doc, but his form hasn't warranted selection (for a while!). It wouldn't surprise me if Doc suggested it, that kind of person. The sentimentalist on the MC will be in tears ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: pertz on April 17, 2025, 06:51:56 pm
Holy mackerel, kahunas from the MC!! Omitting Doc is a strong and important statement. I feel for Doc, but his form hasn't warranted selection (for a while!). It wouldn't surprise me if Doc suggested it, that kind of person. The sentimentalist on the MC will be in tears ;)
The MC have finally pulled the right reigns IMO. Happy with the ins. Doc had to have a spell.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Thryleon on April 17, 2025, 07:10:21 pm
It's a big call. Could be game defining. Docherty is generally a player on our team i label as reliable.
The fact he hasn't been thus far this season is neither here nor there as the rest of the team has been similar, but im not convinced it's the right reign to pull.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: DJC on April 17, 2025, 08:06:19 pm
I thought that Doc had his best game of the season on Saturday. Apart from one atrocious attempt to switch the ball, Doc seemed to be aware of his limitations and didn’t try to be too adventurous. His disposal efficiency was still quite poor though.
It’s sad to see “omitted” next to Doc’s name but that’s footy. Supporters would be complaining if Lord got the chop again.
White is a bit stiff to miss out but he’ll get plenty more opportunities.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2025, 08:10:26 pm
It's a big call. Could be game defining. Docherty is generally a player on our team i label as reliable.
The fact he hasn't been thus far this season is neither here nor there as the rest of the team has been similar, but im not convinced it's the right reign to pull.
Funny how 8-12 months ago many were crying about his absence and how much we missed him. Now we are happy to bin him like a piece of off meat. Father Time doesnt fark around I guess.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2025, 08:18:19 pm
I thought that Doc had his best game of the season on Saturday. Apart from one atrocious attempt to switch the ball, Doc seemed to be aware of his limitations and didn’t try to be too adventurous. His disposal efficiency was still quite poor though.
It’s sad to see “omitted” next to Doc’s name but that’s footy. Supporters would be complaining if Lord got the chop again.
White is a bit stiff to miss out but he’ll get plenty more opportunities.
I think White is on the extended bench... will probably be the sub.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Blue Moon on April 17, 2025, 08:23:44 pm
They have shot Bambi. Good on them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: crashlander on April 17, 2025, 08:35:38 pm
It's a big call. Could be game defining. Docherty is generally a player on our team i label as reliable.
The fact he hasn't been thus far this season is neither here nor there as the rest of the team has been similar, but im not convinced it's the right reign to pull.
Funny how 8-12 months ago many were crying about his absence and how much we missed him. Now we are happy to bin him like a piece of off meat. Father Time doesnt fark around I guess.
There are only so many knee injuries you can recover from and keep your pace and strength. Had he not done his knee, he wouldn't be dropped. As it is, he has done just so much to come back and come back and come back. He certainly isn't a bad player, and his leadership will be more than welcome at VFL level this week. I can hope that, with more time, he might recover enough to be the player he was, but I doubt it is going to occur.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: madbluboy on April 17, 2025, 08:44:21 pm
It's a big call. Could be game defining. Docherty is generally a player on our team i label as reliable.
The fact he hasn't been thus far this season is neither here nor there as the rest of the team has been similar, but im not convinced it's the right reign to pull.
Funny how 8-12 months ago many were crying about his absence and how much we missed him. Now we are happy to bin him like a piece of off meat. Father Time doesnt fark around I guess.
Thought he was good last week but perhaps was judged on all 5 games. Acres has been terrible too so perhaps they don't want them in the same team.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2025, 08:51:20 pm
Funny how 8-12 months ago many were crying about his absence and how much we missed him. Now we are happy to bin him like a piece of off meat. Father Time doesnt fark around I guess.
Thought he was good last week but perhaps was judged on all 5 games. Acres has been terrible too so perhaps they don't want them in the same team.
Agree, I thought Doc started find his touch again, also agree on Acres, has been awful but his big body is a welcome addition (providing he puts in on the line bit).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: crashlander on April 17, 2025, 08:53:06 pm
Our line-up:
B: 1 Jack Silvagni 23 Jacob Weitering 26 Nick Haynes HB: 42 Adam Saad 11 Mitch McGovern 4 Oliver Hollands C: 13 Blake Acres 9 Patrick Cripps 32 Matthew Carroll HF: 20 Elijah Hollands 33 Lewis Young 8 Lachie Fogarty F: 3 Jesse Motlop 30 Charlie Curnow 6 Zac Williams R: 12 Tom De Koning 29 George Hewett 5 Adam Cerra Int: 46 Matthew Cottrell 18 Sam Walsh 19 Corey Durdin 36 Cooper Lord 38 Will White
Em: 37 Jordan Boyd 27 Marc Pittonet 15 Sam Docherty
[1] I would have played Pittonet rather than Young, especially as Xerri is supposed to be less than perfect. Tom can play forward and take a mark, while Pitto can defend better than Tom has so far. Young is not a great ruckman, although has done reasonably as a forward (against the Dogs). Considering that we were trialling Pitto resting forwards pre-season, who doesn't tend to get out-marked, I feel we've missed something here. Nichevo. But I think this is another case of our MC not maximizing our chances. [2] I can understand why Doc has been dropped. His opponents have been important players and he has struggled to make an impact. Acres coming in means someone had to come out. [3] As much as I like Elijah coming in, as his disposal is superior, coming in to replace a forward like Kemp does reduce our marking potential in the forward line. Elijah isn't a marking target. Last year Comben took marks and almost won the game because we didn't have a tall matchup for him. To be honest, I think we've made the same mistake. At least Silvagni can defend better than Young can.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: pinot on April 17, 2025, 09:21:59 pm
Im good with Doc being dropped - I also think he can get back to his inspirational best. Class is permanent.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Lods on April 17, 2025, 09:59:14 pm
So the three emergency's are Boyd, Pittonet and Docherty.
I thought to myself "I'd have all three in my side this week." Then I went and looked at the side...and I was kind of stumped who to leave out so they could play. Pittonet instead of Young came to mind. Boyd's disposal is better than Acres, and I wouldn't mind seeing Boyd on a wing for a game or two. That left Docherty...and I couldn't find a spot. :(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: madbluboy on April 17, 2025, 10:32:41 pm
Pittonet needs to play VFL.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2025, 10:50:59 pm
It's a big call. Could be game defining. Docherty is generally a player on our team i label as reliable.
The fact he hasn't been thus far this season is neither here nor there as the rest of the team has been similar, but im not convinced it's the right reign to pull.
Funny how 8-12 months ago many were crying about his absence and how much we missed him. Now we are happy to bin him like a piece of off meat. Father Time doesnt fark around I guess.
Agree. if he injured in R1 we would be using it as an excuse.
king Charles was our biggest excuse last year to losing games when he was out injured. it was like he was worth 4 goals a game to us.
Done SFA this year so far but now the reason we are poor is losing Newman Harry and a bloke who hasnt even played one game yet.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: PaulP on April 18, 2025, 11:23:41 am
I'd like to see the club at least try to use Pittonet the way the Pies use Mason Cox. Close to the goal square, it's not unreasonable to believe he should be able to stretch his arms higher than the defenders, perhaps even draw a free or two as the defenders panic and grab arms, jumper etc. Then he can provide ruck relief and switch with De Koning in the forward line as required. The Pies seem to get a couple of cheap goals using Cox in this manner. Worth a shot IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: PaulP on April 18, 2025, 11:25:13 am
Named as an emergency seems something of a waste IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Baggers on April 18, 2025, 11:44:56 am
I'd like to see the club at least try to use Pittonet the way the Pies use Mason Cox. Close to the goal square, it's not unreasonable to believe he should be able to stretch his arms higher than the defenders, perhaps even draw a free or two as the defenders panic and grab arms, jumper etc. Then he can provide ruck relief and switch with De Koning in the forward line as required. The Pies seem to get a couple of cheap goals using Cox in this manner. Worth a shot IMO.
Couldn't possibly agree with you more, Pauly.
Remember this is an MC that brought in a swathe of not match fit players for our first final against BrisVegas last year... especially Doc, who hadn't played all year! Bringing in Young as a stop-gap tall forward and stop-gap ruckman defies logic when set against previous decisions, and the fact you've got a specialist ruckman ready to go. Oh, the inconsistency.
Seems we have an inflexible template and just shove blokes into the template, regardless.
I'd choose a needing match fitness Pitto over Young any day of the week, to park himself up forward then give TDK ruck relief. An important distinction also is that Pitto brings strength and a dash of mongrel to contests and about the last thing you want with Young is for him to have ball in hand - instant confusion as he takes so much time deciding what to do.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: PaulP on April 18, 2025, 12:04:21 pm
I don't wish to give the impression that I know more than the MC, or that they got it wrong. I'm sure their access to data is comprehensive and their reasoning is quite sound. I would be curious to see and hear the thought process vs the fans perspective from time to time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Baggers on April 18, 2025, 12:09:12 pm
Pitto and Boydy playing in the Magoos. Doc obviously the emerg for seniors.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2025, 03:17:21 pm
Like Coll, this mob just seem to get up and about for games against us irrespective of ladder positions of either side. As a club they have disliked us since the Elliot days where he treated them with utter disrespect pulically. That hatred has been passed on from playing group to playing group and given where we are at, I think there list is ahead of ours and they have the shiftiest coach on the capper and will get up today.