Social Club => Blah-Blah Bar => Topic started by: Lods on April 16, 2025, 03:44:24 pm
Poll
Question: If an election were to be held on the 3rd May (likely) which party would recieve your vote.
Option 1: Labor
votes: 12
Option 2: LNP
votes: 7
Option 3: Greens
votes: 0
Option 4: Teal Independent
votes: 1
Option 5: One Nation
votes: 0
Option 6: Trumpet of Patriots
votes: 0
Option 7: Local Independent
votes: 3
Option 8: None of the Above
votes: 0
Title: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 16, 2025, 03:44:24 pm
Well, the demand is overwhelming for this thread, so we might as well give the folks what they want and set it up.
It’s Federal election 2025! Once again we are absolutely spoiled for choice.
You probably have to feel a little sorry for Clive Palmer who has thrown his support and leadership credentials behind the “Strumpets of Patriots” group. In the wake of Trump’s success in the states, who wouldn’t think that running with the slogan “Make Australia Great Again!” wasn’t a great idea…even Jacinta Price agreed.
Australia ‘needs’ Trump policies, declares Palmer… To paraphrase Billy Joel…”You may be right! He may be crazy…but it just may be a lunatic we’re looking for.”
In any event, the recent actions of the POTUS may not be the best act to follow, in terms of popularity.
Who knows what this election will bring. Labor victory, possibly with a minority government, looks to be the pick at the moment, but that could easily change in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 16, 2025, 03:56:55 pm
I watched Q&A (I think) on Ch2 the other night fro the first time ever, it had a liberal guy (Michael someone) and Labour minister Clair Oniel, CoM Dep Mayor Roshena Campbell, Zali Steggal and economist Richard Denniss. The Liberal and Labour folk carried on like children for mine, Zali had some good points but the economist tore them all apart new one in my opinion. He spoke about how Australia is rich nation, we may all feel poor at the moment but our fossil fuel production and export make us very wealthy on a world scale. The problem he said is that we dont tax the screwers, we instead subsidise them! He stated Norway is equally wealthy from Fossil Fuel production and export but the tax them hard and use that money, amongst other things, to provide kids with free uni. It seems all the political parties here either fear the fossil fuel producers and exporters or are in bed with them getting kick backs. He also raised the points about banks and health insurers making record profits and yet the premiums have increased upwards of 30% in the last 12 months, interest rates have gone up 12 times and these two jokes of industries pay SFA tax. Its seem clear we need to tax these buggers hard to pay for crap, question is who has the balls to do it? I found the show very eye opening, people in the audience were asking questions and the bozo ministers just deflected. Its not called politics for nothing I guess, sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 16, 2025, 04:19:15 pm
I watched Q&A (I think) on Ch2 the other night fro the first time ever, it had a liberal guy (Michael someone) and Labour minister Clair Oniel, CoM Dep Mayor Roshena Campbell, Zali Steggal and economist Richard Denniss. The Liberal and Labour folk carried on like children for mine, Zali had some good points but the economist tore them all apart new one in my opinion. He spoke about how Australia is rich nation, we may all feel poor at the moment but our fossil fuel production and export make us very wealthy on a world scale. The problem he said is that we dont tax the screwers, we instead subsidise them! He stated Norway is equally wealthy from Fossil Fuel production and export but the tax them hard and use that money, amongst other things, to provide kids with free uni. It seems all the political parties here either fear the fossil fuel producers and exporters or are in bed with them getting kick backs. He also raised the points about banks and health insurers making record profits and yet the premiums have increased upwards of 30% in the last 12 months, interest rates have gone up 12 times and these two jokes of industries pay SFA tax. Its seem clear we need to tax these buggers hard to pay for crap, question is who has the balls to do it? I found the show very eye opening, people in the audience were asking questions and the bozo ministers just deflected. Its not called politics for nothing I guess, sad state of affairs.
Problem is if you heavily tax those institutions they just raise their fees/rates to make up the losses and the public pay. I watched Q and A like you and the economist was the only one whose answers had any credibility or common sense. Alabanese, Dutton, Palmer , Pauline and Bandt probably tells you where we are at in terms of choice and ability...none have any economic qualifications as we have seen from their ideas to boost home ownership where they will only increase house prices and its impossible to find anyone worthy to vote for.....
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: PaulP on April 16, 2025, 04:23:25 pm
I watched Q&A (I think) on Ch2 the other night fro the first time ever, it had a liberal guy (Michael someone) and Labour minister Clair Oniel, CoM Dep Mayor Roshena Campbell, Zali Steggal and economist Richard Denniss. The Liberal and Labour folk carried on like children for mine, Zali had some good points but the economist tore them all apart new one in my opinion. He spoke about how Australia is rich nation, we may all feel poor at the moment but our fossil fuel production and export make us very wealthy on a world scale. The problem he said is that we dont tax the screwers, we instead subsidise them! He stated Norway is equally wealthy from Fossil Fuel production and export but the tax them hard and use that money, amongst other things, to provide kids with free uni. It seems all the political parties here either fear the fossil fuel producers and exporters or are in bed with them getting kick backs. He also raised the points about banks and health insurers making record profits and yet the premiums have increased upwards of 30% in the last 12 months, interest rates have gone up 12 times and these two jokes of industries pay SFA tax. Its seem clear we need to tax these buggers hard to pay for crap, question is who has the balls to do it? I found the show very eye opening, people in the audience were asking questions and the bozo ministers just deflected. Its not called politics for nothing I guess, sad state of affairs.
Given the significant rightward drift of the global political climate in recent decades, advocating that the wealthy and corporations pay their fair share of tax is basically a Bernie Sanders policy.
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: Thryleon on April 16, 2025, 07:00:05 pm
The sad part is, we all know, no matter what happens, the status quo will remain, we will get thrown a bone, we will pay for that bone from somewhere currently obscure, and life will continue until the next election.
All that changes is the next batch of elected leaders, who will get a fat pension worth more than my super every will be for the rest of their days.
I dont see how anyone can expect anything to change whilst that remains. I wonder if they cut the slush fund whether or not that would change things for the better.
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: PaulP on April 16, 2025, 07:19:50 pm
The sad part is, we all know, no matter what happens, the status quo will remain, we will get thrown a bone, we will pay for that bone from somewhere currently obscure, and life will continue until the next election.
All that changes is the next batch of elected leaders, who will get a fat pension worth more than my super every will be for the rest of their days.
I dont see how anyone can expect anything to change whilst that remains. I wonder if they cut the slush fund whether or not that would change things for the better.
When I was a kid, those policies (fairer tax structures) were mainstream. Now they're fringe.
There will always be groups / individuals who will want to skew things in their favour, at great cost to everyone else. We need a far more active, resistant constituency, who will fight for their hard earned rights, and demand the politicians be accountable. To quote Karl Popper, "The question is not how to get good people to rule; the question is: how to stop the powerful from doing as much damage as they can to us."
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: Professer E on April 16, 2025, 08:13:06 pm
Been getting some very unsavoury material in my letterbox & and it isn't from any party. Looks like some branch of some right wing fascists....and they clearly don't like Albanese. Lot of disinformation and BS flying around - more so than usual.
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: northernblue on April 17, 2025, 01:57:53 am
Been getting some very unsavoury material in my letterbox & and it isn't from any party. Looks like some branch of some right wing fascists....and they clearly don't like Albanese. Lot of disinformation and BS flying around - more so than usual.
Just a follow on from the us… Dutton, Palmer, Hansen…
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: Thryleon on April 25, 2025, 08:17:22 am
So let's move on the the current election. Was reading through our independents policies and came across one i found interesting. They want to do away with stamp duty and implement a land tax instead. Now personally I read this and thought how disgraceful. I've paid my whack of stamp duty why should I now have to continue paying land tax because of policy change?
Is this only going to apply for new purchases?
What's to stop the degree of land tax shifting?
Very dissapointed to see but curious, what do people think of this?
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: shawny on April 25, 2025, 08:42:52 am
Hard to believe Albo is leading the polls. Says more about the lack of opposition that the worse PM in our history is favorite to get another term.
HTF that goose gets to lead any country says a lot of the deplorable state of politics in this country.
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 25, 2025, 09:04:27 am
Hard to believe Albo is leading the polls. Says more about the lack of opposition that the worse PM in our history is favorite to get another term.
HTF that goose gets to lead any country says a lot of the deplorable state of politics in this country.
All you hear is people complaining about the state of the nation and our state (cost of living, int rates, youth crime, DV etc) and yet the goons whose watch all this occurred on will get re-elected. There is no choice as they are all as pathetic as one another, I have never been so disillusioned leading up to an election. I had hoped in my lifetime I would get to see a decent public servant rise to the occasion to lead our state and nation however I doubt I will. I wish at least some level of accountability for policy implementation promised during the campaigns could be put in place.
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: Lods on April 25, 2025, 09:08:35 am
So let's move on the the current election. Was reading through our independents policies and came across one i found interesting. They want to do away with stamp duty and implement a land tax instead. Now personally I read this and thought how disgraceful. I've paid my whack of stamp duty why should I now have to continue paying land tax because of policy change?
Is this only going to apply for new purchases?
What's to stop the degree of land tax shifting?
Very dissapointed to see but curious, what do people think of this?
Is that independent one of the Teal candidates Thry? There's a good chance the next government will be a minority one. It may be that that Teal group are in a position to have some influence over decision making. If it's just an 'independent' indendent they can say what they like because they'll never have to deliver.
That group of Palmer's are promising a lot of things they'll never be in a position to deliver.
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: Lods on April 25, 2025, 09:13:42 am
Hard to believe Albo is leading the polls. Says more about the lack of opposition that the worse PM in our history is favorite to get another term.
HTF that goose gets to lead any country says a lot of the deplorable state of politics in this country.
It does say a lot about the opposition. If they lose, Dutton will no doubt be rolled....but can anyone think of a replacement in that party who would be any more electable, certainly not Susan Ley the current deputy.
Title: Re: Election 2025
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 25, 2025, 09:19:18 am
Hard to believe Albo is leading the polls. Says more about the lack of opposition that the worse PM in our history is favorite to get another term.
HTF that goose gets to lead any country says a lot of the deplorable state of politics in this country.
It does say a lot about the opposition. If they lose, Dutton will no doubt be rolled....but can anyone think of a replacement in that party who would be any more electable, certainly not Susan Ley the current deputy.
Susan Ley? Good Lord no! Dutton was the wrong choice to lead the Libs but the cupboard was and still is bare for them. How bad are the opposition parties when they can't knock off movements who have performed so poorly. Promised much and delivered nothing.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 25, 2025, 09:55:06 am
Let's get a look at our political leanings as a group...
I've added a poll to the thread. If I've left out a major group let me know and I'll fix it up (early rise for the dawn service and I'm a bit of a zombie at the moment :D )
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Thryleon on April 25, 2025, 12:10:59 pm
Is that independent one of the Teal candidates Thry? There's a good chance the next government will be a minority one. It may be that that Teal group are in a position to have some influence over decision making. If it's just an 'independent' indendent they can say what they like because they'll never have to deliver.
That group of Palmer's are promising a lot of things they'll never be in a position to deliver.
its a teal based on the colour of the flyer?
Honestly I was shocked to read it. Sure i got a 10k first home owner Grant on 500k home way back when, but our stamp duty was about 40k to go with it. If I get slugged land tax on top I'll be livid.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Professer E on April 25, 2025, 04:48:35 pm
On the Bellarine the "vacancy tax" in addition to greatly increased land taxes (400%) is playing havoc with prices. People are dumping places, and in my neighbours words "p!ssing off to Queensland where we don't get reamed for owning a holiday house".
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 25, 2025, 04:58:37 pm
On the Bellarine the "vacancy tax" in addition to greatly increased land taxes (400%) is playing havoc with prices. People are dumping places, and in my neighbours words "p!ssing off to Queensland where we don't get reamed for owning a holiday house".
My bought a property in Port Douglas, he reckons the Qld government collects land tax for that property plus tax on any other property you may have in Victoria. He owns a few rentals here so he will be up for a bundle.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: northernblue on April 25, 2025, 06:08:53 pm
On the Bellarine the "vacancy tax" in addition to greatly increased land taxes (400%) is playing havoc with prices. People are dumping places, and in my neighbours words "p!ssing off to Queensland where we don't get reamed for owning a holiday house".
My bought a property in Port Douglas, he reckons the Qld government collects land tax for that property plus tax on any other property you may have in Victoria. He owns a few rentals here so he will be up for a bundle.
Qld gov collects land tax on Victorian property…? 🤔
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 25, 2025, 06:26:50 pm
My bought a property in Port Douglas, he reckons the Qld government collects land tax for that property plus tax on any other property you may have in Victoria. He owns a few rentals here so he will be up for a bundle.
Qld gov collects land tax on Victorian property…? 🤔
Land tax in Queensland is based on the total value of Australian land owned by a taxpayer.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 25, 2025, 06:38:04 pm
Land tax in Queensland is based on the total value of Australian land owned by a taxpayer.
Good country this. A friend of mine from England originally but living here gets stung over there for tax on a property he owns here.
Agree ...times are tough and everyone including all levels of government are trying to hit you up for extra money and in the most ludicrous of ways. You can plant some vegies, get some sheep on your land so you can call yourself a primary producer or start a cult, build a chapel then register yourself as a charity to get an exemption...😉
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 25, 2025, 07:09:26 pm
Good country this. A friend of mine from England originally but living here gets stung over there for tax on a property he owns here.
Agree ...times are tough and everyone including all levels of government are trying to hit you up for extra money and in the most ludicrous of ways.
And this current government certainly knows how to spend it! As Kerry Packer once said "as a Government I can tell you youre not spending it that well that we should be donating extra"
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: tonyo on April 25, 2025, 09:08:56 pm
Been getting some very unsavoury material in my letterbox & and it isn't from any party. Looks like some branch of some right wing fascists....and they clearly don't like Albanese. Lot of disinformation and BS flying around - more so than usual.
There's a mob called Advance Australia, a rich boys' lobby group, who specialise in spreading disinformation in support of a very conservative agenda.
There was an article about them in the Good Weekend Age last week. Worth reading.
We are getting more like the States, where people learn most of their political information from 20 second ads on TV and social media memes. Both sides are doing it.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 25, 2025, 11:32:33 pm
Clive Palmer....how can this clown be allowed to run a political party and flood our TVs with his advertising thats just a collection of simplistic popularist unrealistic policies? Then you look at his involvement with this airstrip he condemns in his advertising that is meant to be the gateway for China to invade and then you find out the structure of companies involved and how it came about and how Palmer is profiting from it. Its hilarious really that he even has the gonads to produce the rubbish advertising that he does every election and its hard to take Aus politics seriously anymore, there is no one fit to run the country unfortunately. If we had a sacked, cracked and backed list for politicians the sacked column would be full...
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 26, 2025, 07:45:46 am
Palmer is as transparent as a fish tank. He's an opportunist who believed he saw a chance. He thought he could ride the coat tails of Trump like policies, and campaign strategies, into some political gain. Seemed like a good idea at the time....it had worked pretty well in the States. Surely there was a ground swell of 'like thinking' folk in Oz.
What Palmer didn't take into account was the 'lag time' between Trump's election and the Australian one. That's given Trump's 'bat crap' crazy shenanigans time to impact, and generally people are just seeing chaos. There will still be those who may support the "Trumpettes" but it won't be the revolutionary support Palmer thought and would have hoped to see.
As we all know there are only two polls that count....election day and the CSC poll. Looks like Dutton is in trouble a week out...but he's going a lot better than Palmer.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Professer E on April 26, 2025, 08:52:09 am
I twigged pretty quickly Tonyo that it's some kind of MAGA aligned group. The fact that I've now seen their ads on TV is a bit alarming. Their style is always "X is crap, X is rubbish etc" but they never give any outline of who is better and what they are actually going do to "fix" or improve whatever they think is crap.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Baggers on April 26, 2025, 09:03:20 am
Qualities of a real leader: Excellent communication skills, Vision, Courage, Empathy, Honesty/Integrity, Self-reflection/Awareness, Ability to Include and Inspire, Intellectual and Emotional Intelligence, Humility and Accountability (there are more!).
I've had the very good fortune over the duration to have met and worked with a number of people who demonstrated those leadership qualities and values. But none of them were politicians.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 26, 2025, 09:06:48 am
Qualities of a real leader: Excellent communication skills, Vision, Courage, Empathy, Honesty/Integrity, Self-reflection/Awareness, Ability to Include and Inspire, Intellectual and Emotional Intelligence, Humility and Accountability (there are more!).
I've had the very good fortune over the duration to have met and worked with a number of people who demonstrated those leadership qualities and values. But none of them were politicians.
Here endeth the lesson.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Thryleon on April 26, 2025, 09:55:02 am
Qualities of a real leader: Excellent communication skills, Vision, Courage, Empathy, Honesty/Integrity, Self-reflection/Awareness, Ability to Include and Inspire, Intellectual and Emotional Intelligence, Humility and Accountability (there are more!).
I've had the very good fortune over the duration to have met and worked with a number of people who demonstrated those leadership qualities and values. But none of them were politicians.
the ones most capable of leading would never want to.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Baggers on April 26, 2025, 04:24:37 pm
Qualities of a real leader: Excellent communication skills, Vision, Courage, Empathy, Honesty/Integrity, Self-reflection/Awareness, Ability to Include and Inspire, Intellectual and Emotional Intelligence, Humility and Accountability (there are more!).
I've had the very good fortune over the duration to have met and worked with a number of people who demonstrated those leadership qualities and values. But none of them were politicians.
the ones most capable of leading would never want to.
There was a time when they did. In fact, some of society's most outstanding folks chose a career in politics to serve, to bring about positive change, who cared so deeply about humanity they saw it as an honour to (really) serve.
But, as you point out 3 Leos, who'd want to muddy themselves in the hopeless political mire of opportunism, divisiveness, populism, dishonesty and self-aggrandizement that exists today.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on April 26, 2025, 10:08:42 pm
If you have been spam bombed by Clive Palmer’s political arm, aka Strumpet of Partiarchy, H Fong is Harry Fong, a criminal lawyer (read that any way you choose). The QLD Bar Association records his mobile number as 0419 788 168 and his landline is (07) 2123 3068.
Feel free to let young Harry know what you think of his political affiliation and spam SMSs.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Thryleon on April 27, 2025, 09:20:06 pm
Anyone watched tonight's debate?
Thought Dutton went bang and knocked Albanese for 6.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Thryleon on April 27, 2025, 09:50:50 pm
Somehow the people in the room thought differently.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 27, 2025, 10:14:29 pm
Thought Dutton went bang and knocked Albanese for 6.
I watched it, I thought it was was 50/50.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 27, 2025, 10:23:29 pm
The price of eggs reminded me of the GST on a baked cake that haunted John Hewson and will splash all over the newspapers etc ...not great from Dutton as well as the Nuclear energy path also seems a turn off for voters. It's not that Albanese is offering anything new tonight or being impressive more about Dutton probably alienating some voters and I gave the win to Albanese by default.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 27, 2025, 10:25:20 pm
The price of eggs reminded me of the GST on a baked cake that haunted John Hewson and will splash all over the newspapers etc ...not great from Dutton as well as the Nuclear energy path also seems a turn off for voters. It's not that Albanese is offering anything new tonight or being impressive more about Dutton probably alienating some voters and I gave the win to Albanese by default.
Unless you do any shopping, how would you know the price of anything? Then there are numpties like me who do some of the shopping and still couldn't tell you the prices of stuff.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 27, 2025, 10:38:29 pm
The price of eggs reminded me of the GST on a baked cake that haunted John Hewson and will splash all over the newspapers etc ...not great from Dutton as well as the Nuclear energy path also seems a turn off for voters. It's not that Albanese is offering anything new tonight or being impressive more about Dutton probably alienating some voters and I gave the win to Albanese by default.
Unless you do any shopping, how would you know the price of anything? Then there are numpties like me who do some of the shopping and still couldn't tell you the prices of stuff.
Eggs are a staple like bread and milk so I think a lot of working class folk know the prices and will find that disturbing and Dutton out of touch. It will be highlighted in the media like Hewsons cake fiasco when he couldnt explain his GST and it cost him the election imo.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: dodge on April 27, 2025, 11:03:40 pm
I haven't heard or seen (I haven't looked either) anything about vision for Australia. LNP has get Aus back on track - but to what and where - when was Aus last on track - just pick up and continue from there? What do the parties want Aus to look like?
Tax cuts/rebates (incl excise)? Instead of minimal bribes, why don't you tackle genuine tax reform? Too hard, too much vested interest?
Instead of energy rebates - tackle the issue of high prices. Why do the regulators not step in and reduce increases? (Same with private health).
Vic tried to introduce cents per km charge for EVs, but didn't have jurisdiction. How is the fuel excise lost from EVs going to be replaced? Yet, there are gov incentives to buy EVs.
Can either party explain their immigration policy? Yes, we need students (if not Uni funding needs to jncrease), need backpackers for fruitpicking etc, need professionals to cover skill shortages etc. How does this fit with their vision for Aust?
LNP - if you are serious about nuclear energy, tell us and answer questions - how much will it cost, how will it be funded, will it be private or public, where are the skills to make the plants going to come from, what % of power will this provide, how does it fit with closure of coal stations?
What are the water policies? How do they both preserve the environment, assist farmers and supply people? It feels in Melb that days of rain is much reduced, but when it rains there is a lot.
There's more, but my rant is too long. Lack of vision is disturbing.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 27, 2025, 11:27:28 pm
Unless you do any shopping, how would you know the price of anything? Then there are numpties like me who do some of the shopping and still couldn't tell you the prices of stuff.
Eggs are a staple like bread and milk so I think a lot of working class folk know the prices and will find that disturbing and Dutton out of touch. It will be highlighted in the media like Hewsons cake fiasco when he couldnt explain his GST and it cost him the election imo.
I get the GST fiasco, I get that egg etc are a staple but I couldn't tell you the price of a dozen eggs, a litre of milk or a loaf of bread and I do the shopping often. Guess I cant be PM.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: dodge on April 27, 2025, 11:46:32 pm
Prices of staples is a stupid, lazy question and is not related to reality for politicians. Doesn't mean they're out of touch. When it is policy related, that is different.
When they tell me that I will save $1500 a year on fuel excise, I am suspicious: 2 cars. One takes ~45 litres, the other 55. Fill them every 3rd week or so. 100 litres @ $0.25 = $25 saving both tanks. Times 17 weeks = $425. Or: if petrol prices are $1.80 for 91, do they only go down to $1.70, because private companies don't pass on the 25c? And as many enquiries have found out, there are few controls gov has on petrol prices.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 27, 2025, 11:56:19 pm
Yep That price of staples is a nonsense question. I do all our shopping and I couldn't tell you within a couple of dollars the prices of some of those things. There are variations of brands and the prices can fluctuate quite a bit
Go to Aldi and you can probably get any of those things a dollar or two cheaper I'm pretty certain the people asking the question have no idea....they will look up a random price the day they ask the question.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 28, 2025, 07:30:43 am
Yep That price of staples is a nonsense question. I do all our shopping and I couldn't tell you within a couple of dollars the prices of some of those things. There are variations of brands and the prices can fluctuate quite a bit
Go to Aldi and you can probably get any of those things a dollar or two cheaper I'm pretty certain the people asking the question have no idea....they will look up a random price the day they ask the question.
I was going to say that if people base their decision on a candidate knowing the price of eggs or not, we are in more strife than I thought.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: LP on April 28, 2025, 08:20:36 am
Prices of staples is a stupid, lazy question and is not related to reality for politicians. Doesn't mean they're out of touch. When it is policy related, that is different.
When they tell me that I will save $1500 a year on fuel excise, I am suspicious: 2 cars. One takes ~45 litres, the other 55. Fill them every 3rd week or so. 100 litres @ $0.25 = $25 saving both tanks. Times 17 weeks = $425. Or: if petrol prices are $1.80 for 91, do they only go down to $1.70, because private companies don't pass on the 25c? And as many enquiries have found out, there are few controls gov has on petrol prices.
Dodge this is something that got missed, but the price of fuel directly impacts thr supply chain of getting stock on shelves at the supermarkets.
Fuel down by 25 cents a litre will make a massive difference to every Australian, and will arguably do more to reduce the cost of living than a lot of measures. When you consider this think of all the diesel machines in use. Roads, diggers, delivery mechanisms. The energy component of this is being glossed over way too much and not enough credence being given to why things have become a expensive as they are.
Your personal fuel consumption sounds at the lighter end of usage. The size of your tanks are for small cars by the sounds of things hence why you don't save as much but do the same maths on two cars with 60 litre tanks and filling up once a fortnight instead because they travel more.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on April 28, 2025, 09:19:10 am
I don’t know the price of eggs because I have chooks and have only bought a couple of dozen eggs over the last eight years.
However, the price of eggs is important to many folk and any aspiring prime minister should make the effort to know how much basic groceries cost. It may not be all that relevant to running the country but many voters will see it as being out of touch with the issues they’re dealing with.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 28, 2025, 09:50:45 am
Prices of staples is a stupid, lazy question and is not related to reality for politicians. Doesn't mean they're out of touch. When it is policy related, that is different.
When they tell me that I will save $1500 a year on fuel excise, I am suspicious: 2 cars. One takes ~45 litres, the other 55. Fill them every 3rd week or so. 100 litres @ $0.25 = $25 saving both tanks. Times 17 weeks = $425. Or: if petrol prices are $1.80 for 91, do they only go down to $1.70, because private companies don't pass on the 25c? And as many enquiries have found out, there are few controls gov has on petrol prices.
Fuel excise cuts will have inflationary effects and not help the reserve banks demeanour about cutting rates. It's a short term sugar hit and Dutton has failed to explain what he is doing with truckies who already get a cut.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 28, 2025, 09:54:54 am
I really don't think shopping people are the least bit concerned about the individual prices of things like eggs, milk bread etc As a shopper I really don't pay that much attention. What does concern them is what they pay at the checkout... and that's gone up.
Many of those things are determined by supply and brand choice. Things like fruit and vegetables are all over the shop and there can be dollar jumps or drops overnight. If weather conditions or storms affect a specific crop then the prices will go up. Last week's price bears no resemblance to this weeks price...or next weeks.
Go to the supermarket and have a look at a specifc section and you'll find a whole range of prices depending on brand. Now go to Aldi and you'll probably pay less for the same product. Drop around to IGA and you may pay more.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: LP on April 28, 2025, 10:07:31 am
I really don't think shopping people are the least bit concerned about the individual prices of things like eggs, milk bread etc As a shopper I really don't pay that much attention. What does concern them is what they pay at the checkout... and that's gone up.
That should have been the focus of phrasing the answer to the question, you should run for the top job! ;D
I'm exactly the same as yourself, I only do a bit of food shopping here or there and a couple of times a year I get involved in the bigger shops. I notice the total and can't tell you a single item price even when I've compared prices on the shelf, but I can tell you the total is 30% to 50% higher at the moment than it was this time last year, quantity for quantity. It's a bit deceptive, because a lot of products have changed size, they have the same per item price but the package is smaller, which means the standard unit pricing is higher.
But I can tell you how much a slab of my favourite beer costs, and that has risen about 25%, and as a tinkerer I can tell you the typical price for Bosch, Dewalt, Makita or even Ozito power tools from Bunnings, Total Tools or Sydney Tools. Dutton should have posed that back at the panel as it's important to every tradie, and would expose the ignorance of an egg, milk or bread question.
I find it ironic that a foodie question is posed by some people who I doubt cook even a crumpet!
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 28, 2025, 10:28:49 am
Fuel is another thing I really dont pay attention to the price of. Reality is I need it and I dont shop around for cheap fuel given I only use BP (diesel and 98 for the cars) or Shell but very rarely.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: dodge on April 28, 2025, 10:41:53 am
There are already diesel rebates for vehicles over 4.5t. However, it will only impact supply chain if the savings are passed on through cheaper prices. Corporate Australia hasn't got a great track record for passing on savings. The LNP page doesn't say anything about this - just talks about savings to families at the pump and small businesses.
Yes, we are at the very light end of travel - nearly all of our driving is local, but to save $1,500 a year is 6,000 litres - 3,000 litres per car. If you get 10l/100k, that is 60,000k for the two cars. How many really do that.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on April 28, 2025, 12:12:53 pm
There are already diesel rebates for vehicles over 4.5t. However, it will only impact supply chain if the savings are passed on through cheaper prices. Corporate Australia hasn't got a great track record for passing on savings. The LNP page doesn't say anything about this - just talks about savings to families at the pump and small businesses.
Yes, we are at the very light end of travel - nearly all of our driving is local, but to save $1,500 a year is 6,000 litres - 3,000 litres per car. If you get 10l/100k, that is 60,000k for the two cars. How many really do that.
I fill my Landcruiser every three months or so and our small car gets 5l/100k so it's unlikely that we would get much benefit at the pump.
I guess that the rebate could benefit local delivery drivers, but that's not going bring down the price of goods and services.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 28, 2025, 12:58:16 pm
I really don't think shopping people are the least bit concerned about the individual prices of things like eggs, milk bread etc As a shopper I really don't pay that much attention. What does concern them is what they pay at the checkout... and that's gone up.
Many of those things are determined by supply and brand choice. Things like fruit and vegetables are all over the shop and there can be dollar jumps or drops overnight. If weather conditions or storms affect a specific crop then the prices will go up. Last week's price bears no resemblance to this weeks price...or next weeks.
Go to the supermarket and have a look at a specifc section and you'll find a whole range of prices depending on brand. Now go to Aldi and you'll probably pay less for the same product. Drop around to IGA and you may pay more.
I think in poorer electorates where there are more pensioners, high mortgage stress and folk doing it tough they will know the prices of staples and have a different view of Dutton's lack of knowledge of the basics of life. These are probably pro ALP working mans areas where Dutton doesnt care anyway because he has little chance of taking the seat so its probably no big deal to him. I must be old school as I make it my business to know what I am paying with my hard earned and dont like getting ripped off as the total price you pay at the checkout is made up of all the items you buy. I digress....Eggs have been in short supply in Melbourne during March in particular and the price has gone up due to Chicken Flu that has hit farms and it doesnt matter which supermarket you buy at the prices are about the same. Cage produced eggs are being phased out which will also be putting up prices, I think people forget too that eggs are a major source of Protein and that often poorer folk have to substitute them for expensive sources like meat etc. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-28/egg-prices-likely-to-remain-high-shortage-may-last-until-2028/104993728
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 28, 2025, 02:16:23 pm
The thing is there is no set answer to the stupid question
Coles and Woolies might be around $8.00 a large doz carton (I think that's the price they used last night)
Woolies brand are around $6.20 Extra large $8.80 Organic $14.00 Hill top free range $ 15.50
At Aldi you can get a doz large from around $5.50-6.00 At IGA on special you can get black and gold for $5.40
These prices will no doubt change next week, and the week after and the week after...then there will be the red spot specials to confuse everyone.
There's plenty of ammunition for people to criticize Dutton on, but the price of eggs is 'jerk' journalism.
Albo is obviously a generic Woolies shopper, Dutton's a 'specials' man
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: dodge on April 28, 2025, 02:29:58 pm
One answer to a queston I had:
This morning [Sunday] on ABC’s Insider’s program, Shadow Infrastructure minister Bridget McKenzie said that Electric Vehicle drivers should pay a road usage charge and that this will be considered should they win Government at the upcoming Federal Election.
The announcement comes during an interview with host David Speers.
Federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers reportedly told a Business Council of Australia dinner in Canberra last week an EV road user charge is on the agenda This was at a Business Council Australia lunch
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 28, 2025, 03:05:01 pm
The thing is there is no set answer to the stupid question
Coles and Woolies might be around $8.00 a large doz carton (I think that's the price they used last night)
Woolies brand are around $6.20 Extra large $8.80 Organic $14.00 Hill top free range $ 15.50
At Aldi you can get a doz large from around $5.50-6.00 At IGA on special you can get black and gold for $5.40
These prices will no doubt change next week, and the week after and the week after...then there will be the red spot specials to confuse everyone.
There's plenty of ammunition for people to criticize Dutton on, but the price of eggs is 'jerk' journalism.
Albo is obviously a generic Woolies shopper, Dutton's a 'specials' man
Paid $6.60 at Coles for large dozen...good luck to Dutton getting them for $4.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: kruddler on April 28, 2025, 04:09:14 pm
I didn't see the debate, but i think these questions are asked for a variety of reason, least of which is to get the right answer.
You ask it to see how someone does under pressure. You ask it to see how honest someone is. You ask it to make a fool out of someone if they don't do well with both of the above.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: PaulP on April 29, 2025, 04:57:37 pm
^^ Seems to be a tactic to make the Liberals look bad.
They left in tears...
Words are violence these days I suppose.
What has happened to the world we live in?
Confused, 3 Leos. Not sure what you're asserting here and don't want to jump to conclusions. Crying after being bullied is not an unreasonable reaction, or unusual response/reaction... or is that not what you're saying?
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: RiverRat on April 29, 2025, 05:37:57 pm
Murray Watt, the so-called Labor attack dog, bears a strong resemblance to the Sontaran warriors from Dr Who
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: PaulP on April 29, 2025, 05:47:13 pm
I'm just passing on what I've read on socials. There are a couple of stories that have already made the news. The rest are just ordinary people describing their experiences at various electorates around the country. The stories are either true or they're not. That's for others to decide.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on April 29, 2025, 06:54:16 pm
We voted today and had to run the gauntlet of party workers handing out “how to vote” leaflets. They were all quite respectful and backed off when I announced that I had been voting for 50 years and didn’t need instructions on how to vote … that even got a few laughs.
I find the hardest part is deciding who to put last on the Senate ballot paper; several parties/individuals deserve that honour. The best solution was to stop numbering boxes when I got to 40 but that’s not as satisfying as when there’s a standout drop kick.
Interestingly, I know two of our local candidates quite well and they’re both good people.
I don’t think that I’ll go back to voting on election day but I do miss the democracy sausages 😢
As for party folk trying to stand over voters, that’s always been an occasional issue. I remember a mate’s father getting into a punch on when a couple of DLP goons went too far in their efforts to get him to vote for their bloke. However, in my experience everyone is respectful and good humoured, as they should be.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Thryleon on April 29, 2025, 07:23:51 pm
^^ Seems to be a tactic to make the Liberals look bad.
They left in tears...
Words are violence these days I suppose.
What has happened to the world we live in?
Confused, 3 Leos. Not sure what you're asserting here and don't want to jump to conclusions. Crying after being bullied is not an unreasonable reaction, or unusual response/reaction... or is that not what you're saying?
That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion.
Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.
They all spruik their party politics. Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.
I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.
Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations. If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.
Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population. Has been for centuries.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 29, 2025, 07:55:10 pm
Yep Take everything you read on social media regarding antics at polling booths with a grain of salt. Some of it will be true. Some exaggerated and some completely false. There will be shenanigans all over the shop. Folks will get involved who have no formal party affiliations ..just a bee in the bonnet. If the police get involved and catch perpetrators it will be reported by news organisations and have some validity...but social media...forget it. Social media at election time is a good tool to make the other side look bad... there are no controls or restrictions on what people can post....and every party's followers can use it as they please.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on April 29, 2025, 08:06:39 pm
Confused, 3 Leos. Not sure what you're asserting here and don't want to jump to conclusions. Crying after being bullied is not an unreasonable reaction, or unusual response/reaction... or is that not what you're saying?
That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion.
Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.
They all spruik their party politics. Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.
I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.
Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations. If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.
Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population. Has been for centuries.
Do you really think that volunteers complaining about an over-zealous party volunteer is going to sway public opinion?
Political parties, even the flakey minor parties, are a little more sophisticated than that.
The fact that volunteers from both the ALP and a Teal independent complained and the alleged offender departed before the police arrived suggests that there’s more than a kernel of truth to the story.
Sometimes the media - and this was mainstream rather than social - get the basics right and there’s no need to come up with alternative theories 🙂
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: PaulP on April 29, 2025, 08:30:05 pm
The stories certainly have legs : the issue is how many legs and whether they are isolated spot fires or symptomatic of a greater radicalization of Australian politics. Neither Dutton, nor Palmer, nor others of their ilk have made any attempt to conceal their mimicking of Trumpism.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 29, 2025, 08:45:27 pm
Without getting into individual policy likes and dislikes because that's a personal thing for all of us...and there are pros and cons on both sides...but many come with consequences...
I consider myself pretty much a centrist. I've voted for both major parties on numerous occasions over the journey. Five days out and I'm a bit torn on this one. I'm in a fairly safe Liberal seat so my vote will have little impact. I don't feel that the Liberals have convinced me that they've done enough to win government. But the Labor party don't really inspire me either. Voting independent, or others, isn't really an option either. It's a wasted vote useful only as a protest vote. At the moment the one thing that may swing me is that the only candidate that has taken the time to doorknock our area is the incumbent Liberal, who spent a good ten minutes with me talking more about local issues and the agenda he would push to get benefits for the electorate. Not a lot of time but more than any others. I still haven't 100% committed and though it's unlikely the LNP will get up, and his impact may be limited, I might give him my 'encouragement and participation' award.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 29, 2025, 09:42:19 pm
Without getting into individual policy likes and dislikes because that's a personal thing for all of us...and there are pros and cons on both sides...but many come with consequences...
I consider myself pretty much a centrist. I've voted for both major parties on numerous occasions over the journey. Five days out and I'm a bit torn on this one. I'm in a fairly safe Liberal seat so my vote will have little impact. I don't feel that the Liberals have convinced me that they've done enough to win government. But the Labor party don't really inspire me either. Voting independent, or others, isn't really an option either. It's a wasted vote useful only as a protest vote. At the moment the one thing that may swing me is that the only candidate that has taken the time to doorknock our area is the incumbent Liberal, who spent a good ten minutes with me talking more about local issues and the agenda he would push to get benefits for the electorate. Not a lot of time but more than any others. I still haven't 100% committed and though it's unlikely the LNP will get up, and his impact may be limited, I might give him my 'encouragement and participation' award.
Im the opposite to you Lods in that Im in a safe Labour seat but my vote will also count for nothing. No one has ever door knocked us and Ive been here since 1992. I wish someone took the time to come talk to us. The LNP are no chance of getting up so we are in for 3-4 more years of pain under the Labour Party unfortunately.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Thryleon on April 29, 2025, 11:22:32 pm
That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion.
Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.
They all spruik their party politics. Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.
I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.
Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations. If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.
Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population. Has been for centuries.
Do you really think that volunteers complaining about an over-zealous party volunteer is going to sway public opinion?
Political parties, even the flakey minor parties, are a little more sophisticated than that.
The fact that volunteers from both the ALP and a Teal independent complained and the alleged offender departed before the police arrived suggests that there’s more than a kernel of truth to the story.
Sometimes the media - and this was mainstream rather than social - get the basics right and there’s no need to come up with alternative theories 🙂
Your author https://7news.com.au/profile/sarah-keszler
The article, is a one sided report, based on alleged activity, with minimal proof and maximum grandstanding by the very victims.
The AEC encouraged the police to be called for bullying by volunteers. Are we sure this is what happened?
My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online. So yes, people will be swayed by this.
No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: dodge on April 30, 2025, 01:12:57 am
Voting shenanigans have always existed, but as everything, seems to be getting more exaggerated. Particularly with so many early votes - fewer polling stations and more idle volunteers.
I take a HTV from everyone, don't engage and vote however I decide and ignore the HTV.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on April 30, 2025, 01:28:42 am
My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online. So yes, people will be swayed by this.
No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.
I'm confused!
You have quoted two reports of incidents at pre-polling booths. The incident involving Julian Leeser was reported to the always impartial AEC who notified the police as required under their legislation.
Here's another article covering three incidents, two at pre-polling booths and one at a campaign rally:
In the first incident we have a MAGA supporter (WTF!) interfering with election advertising and being assaulted by a teenager who seems to have been a supporter of the PM. The teenager was charged and locked up. Then there's a person behaving aggressively towards Liberal volunteers who was also charged by police. Finally, a supporter of Independent Monique Ryan threw a punch at right wing protestors who were disrupting Ryan's campaign meeting.
That's pretty well the whole gamut of the political spectrum. It's reported on mainstream media, not social media. The police are involved in two incidents and the offenders have been charged. The reporting is balanced, factual, and certainly not emotive. The incidents are substantiated and there will be consequences ... and they won't make an iota of difference to the election outcomes in the electorates concerned or the overall result.
Strange as it may seem, not everything is a conspiracy, people of all persuasions can behave badly, police don't get involved without good reason, the media can provide accurate, impartial reports, and voting intentions are not swayed by bullying or reports of bullying.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: LP on April 30, 2025, 01:45:25 am
Problems only become evident when media choose a side like News Ltd.
The bulk of the "professional reporting" is balanced, but not necessarily apolitical, bloggers should not be confused with reporters.
Social media is largely unaccountable for it's behaviour, and RedTrump along with his acolytes are a danger to global democracy.
What happened to 60 Minutes in the USA, and what The White House did to Bezos today, is a global tragedy, and it does impact our elections. Reporting facts should not get you persecuted by government.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Thryleon on April 30, 2025, 07:34:14 am
My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online. So yes, people will be swayed by this.
No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.
I'm confused!
You have quoted two reports of incidents at pre-polling booths. The incident involving Julian Leeser was reported to the always impartial AEC who notified the police as required under their legislation.
Here's another article covering three incidents, two at pre-polling booths and one at a campaign rally:
In the first incident we have a MAGA supporter (WTF!) interfering with election advertising and being assaulted by a teenager who seems to have been a supporter of the PM. The teenager was charged and locked up. Then there's a person behaving aggressively towards Liberal volunteers who was also charged by police. Finally, a supporter of Independent Monique Ryan threw a punch at right wing protestors who were disrupting Ryan's campaign meeting.
That's pretty well the whole gamut of the political spectrum. It's reported on mainstream media, not social media. The police are involved in two incidents and the offenders have been charged. The reporting is balanced, factual, and certainly not emotive. The incidents are substantiated and there will be consequences ... and they won't make an iota of difference to the election outcomes in the electorates concerned or the overall result.
Strange as it may seem, not everything is a conspiracy, people of all persuasions can behave badly, police don't get involved without good reason, the media can provide accurate, impartial reports, and voting intentions are not swayed by bullying or reports of bullying.
the reports I'm quoting use alleged and encouraged by AEC to call the police and quoting of one side of the story.
Not by reputable journalists, but online news "writers". Effectively the police were called and the alleged perpetrator was gone and no charges pressed and then apparently people in tears. What happened though? Bullying is the article. Call the police if you feel threatened is standard IMHO.
The seven article and the post article that I and Paul have provided are the same incident at the same polling booth in the same electorate. Not sure about your confusion but this is where it all misses the mark as the articles I've referenced are refereed to in your sbs article.
Whatever other maga stuff you've read ive not heard of until you posted it, but watching the news last night there was mud slinging at Monique Ryan and ties to international interference in the election on her behalf by China.
Now I'm not sure why that is, that we get conflicting reports of events about her in particular but applying my theory, the TV news reported her china links whilst here you have SBS going into bat for her.
Reading your article my spider sense is straight to finding the problems with the article.
A 17 year old vandalising coreflute assaulting an old man. Guess what likely happened there. A knocked over sign and a confrontation and an unstable teen lashing out sounds about right. Teenager isn't voting age. So a vandal at a polling booth. Coreflute is likely those a frame signs they put out. Would vandalising include knocking it over?
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Two people have been charged over incidents at pre-polling booths, including a teenager who seriously injured an elderly man during a tense stand-off in the prime minister's electorate.
The 17-year-old was due to face a children's court on Thursday after allegedly punching the 79-year-old at Ashfield, in Sydney's inner-west, on Wednesday afternoon.
The teenager allegedly punched a 79-year-old man in the face outside a pre-polling centre in the suburb, which falls within Anthony Albanese's electorate of Grayndler.
Is a pre polling centre the same as a early voting center? When did this event occur? It says Wednesday and due to go to children's court on Thursday... you get charged and to children's court in 24 hours? Meh its Wednesday today. Guess when this happened and it wasn't in the time line insinuated, and I'd argue that it likely isn't politically motivated but here we are today on wednesday discussing it.
This is how propaganda is born.
It's all plausible enough till you start thinking it through. The teenager might be up for charges seperate to this incident where he was vandalising and the punch to the 79 year old may have occurred at the same premises before early voting started (or it could have been last week) but the polls only really opened for early voting on the 22nd of April.
Why are we getting the reports now?
Your confusion stems from information overload. Emotive articles about Julian's electorate with no real information but condemnation of behaviour. Thats what propaganda does. It obfuscates and makes you unsure of what happened so you have to drop it all and read the content and skip the alleged details.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on April 30, 2025, 10:48:01 am
OK Thry, I give up!
There wasn’t a 79 year old in a MAGA cap kicking over ALP signs. He wasn’t punched out by a 17 year old. The 17 year old isn’t in custody and he won’t be appearing in the Children’s Court tomorrow. The whole incident was made up by the media for nefarious purposes and, as a result, people are going to change their votes. The other incidents reported didn’t happen either 🙄
FYI, you vote early at a pre-polling station and children are processed through the Children’s Court without delay.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on April 30, 2025, 02:15:39 pm
Long serving psephologist and the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's chief election analyst, Antony Green, will be pulling the pin after this election. Election night won’t be the same without him … but it’s all probably just social media propaganda intended to influence our voting 🤣
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Thryleon on April 30, 2025, 02:57:10 pm
@DJC its not about giving up, its about seeing all this crap for what it is.
That is, its designed to ellicit a response. In this day and age, with no footage, and some flaky online articles, not susbstantiated on TV is all you need to consider.
IF you want me to believe it all, I will, but it matters nought what I believe. The MAGA hat is perhaps the single most useless bit of information out of all this stuff.
Make America Great Again has nothing to do with us, and is as tenuous a link to what happens if you vote red (or in our case blue) as it gets.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 30, 2025, 03:08:05 pm
Long serving psephologist and the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's chief election analyst, Antony Green, will be pulling the pin after this election. Election night won’t be the same without him … but it’s all probably just social media propaganda intended to influence our voting 🤣
You're not watching SKY news ? :D
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on April 30, 2025, 03:20:38 pm
Elections are emotional things. :D They're a bit like a football game. ;) You go for the side you follow. :)) We look at exactly the same piece of play and see it completely differently. We give extra weight to our good player's performance, and at the same time we don't see a lot of merit in the oppositions stars...they're either mostly thugs or cheats (especially some teams...like down at Geelong). ::) ::) Like football, the best assessment may come from the independent guy in the crowd, but even he has his own biases. ;) He may start the match supporting one team, and end up hoping the other side wins.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 30, 2025, 05:30:55 pm
Elections are emotional things. :D They're a bit like a football game. ;) You go for the side you follow. :)) We look at exactly the same piece of play and see it completely differently. We give extra weight to our good player's performance, and at the same time we don't see a lot of merit in the oppositions stars...they're either mostly thugs or cheats (especially some teams...like down at Geelong). ::) ::) Like football, the best assessment may come from the independent guy in the crowd, but even he has his own biases. ;) He may start the match supporting one team, and end up hoping the other side wins.
Footy is for fun and is Mickey Mouse. Elections are fair dinkum and determine our future and what the next 3 to 4 years will look like. Sadly though, football teams and competitions are run far better than this state and the country. Fark Trump, Putin, Zelensky and all those other DHs, our joint is stuffed and I've had a gut full of the incompetence and lack of options.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on April 30, 2025, 06:25:23 pm
@DJC its not about giving up, its about seeing all this crap for what it is.
That is, its designed to ellicit a response. In this day and age, with no footage, and some flaky online articles, not susbstantiated on TV is all you need to consider.
IF you want me to believe it all, I will, but it matters nought what I believe. The MAGA hat is perhaps the single most useless bit of information out of all this stuff.
Make America Great Again has nothing to do with us, and is as tenuous a link to what happens if you vote red (or in our case blue) as it gets.
You can choose to ignore what’s before your eyes or put any spin on factual reporting if that suits your agenda.
It is a fact that a 79 year old man wearing a MAGA hat was punched out by a 17 year old boy after the older fellow knocked over ALP signs at a pre-polling station. It is also a fact that the 79 year old was hospitalised and the 17 year old is in custody and will appear in the Children’s Court.
A friend of mine has a MAGA and wears it when he wants to take the p1ss. The 79 year old may have been taking the p1ss too but the fact that he was kicking ALP signs over suggests otherwise.
It’s interesting that you’re focusing on the MAGA hat. I would have thought that the actions of the 17 year old are more significant.
Similarly, the actions of the Monique Ryan supporter who threw a punch at the right wing protesters are more significant than the protests.
But, yes, it’s all propaganda cooked up by a bunch of conspirators from most of the political parties, independents, so-called eye witnesses, police, the AEC, hospital staff, and the media, both mainstream and social media influencers and podcasters.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Thryleon on May 01, 2025, 12:02:03 am
@DJC its not about giving up, its about seeing all this crap for what it is.
That is, its designed to ellicit a response. In this day and age, with no footage, and some flaky online articles, not susbstantiated on TV is all you need to consider.
IF you want me to believe it all, I will, but it matters nought what I believe. The MAGA hat is perhaps the single most useless bit of information out of all this stuff.
Make America Great Again has nothing to do with us, and is as tenuous a link to what happens if you vote red (or in our case blue) as it gets.
You can choose to ignore what’s before your eyes or put any spin on factual reporting if that suits your agenda.
It is a fact that a 79 year old man wearing a MAGA hat was punched out by a 17 year old boy after the older fellow knocked over ALP signs at a pre-polling station. It is also a fact that the 79 year old was hospitalised and the 17 year old is in custody and will appear in the Children’s Court.
A friend of mine has a MAGA and wears it when he wants to take the p1ss. The 79 year old may have been taking the p1ss too but the fact that he was kicking ALP signs over suggests otherwise.
It’s interesting that you’re focusing on the MAGA hat. I would have thought that the actions of the 17 year old are more significant.
Similarly, the actions of the Monique Ryan supporter who threw a punch at the right wing protesters are more significant than the protests.
But, yes, it’s all propaganda cooked up by a bunch of conspirators from most of the political parties, independents, so-called eye witnesses, police, the AEC, hospital staff, and the media, both mainstream and social media influencers and podcasters.
sorry I misread the article. I thought the kid was the one damaging coreflute and wearing the maga hat based on dodgy reading.
Not really sure what to make of it. What's the 17 year old worrying about punching an old man for?
My own focus was largely on the other incident Paul was talking about but this is where this stuff becomes flaky for mine.
As for the kid being in custody and an expedited hearing my care factor is low.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on May 01, 2025, 11:23:29 am
The latest election shenanigans:
Neo-nazis wearing crude Hasidic Jew costumes turned up at pre-polling station in Kew and handed out pamphlets with a manipulated Liberal Party logo and anti-Semitic messages. The pamphlets were also widely distributed to homes across Caulfield. Election billboards for both Labor and Liberal candidates were defaced with red Stars of David. The pamphlets are authorised by Joel Davis, a prominent neo-nazi who incited violence against Jewish people from the steps of Victoria’s Parliament House and who is out on bail in South Australia for displaying a Nazi symbol.
While it is unlikely that the pamphlets and pre-polling station antics will have any bearing on the election, State Liberal MP David Southwick is spot on with his statement; “Let me be crystal clear: this is not politics. This is hate. And it has no place in our community.”
In other news, on Tuesday, witnesses reported a man in a Collingwood jumper lobbing an estimated half-dozen eggs at the One Nation candidate and his supporters as they handed out how-to-vote cards at the Wills pre-polling station in Brunswick. Sitting Labor member for Wills, Peter Khalil, has had his posters defaced with "Zio Dog", "Fully Cooked" and other slogans. Activists are unhappy with Khalil for what they say is his lack of action on climate change and the conflict in Gaza. Khalil could lose his seat to the Greens and, in this case, the vandalism and pre-polling station tensions could impact the outcome.
Finally, activists have gone to a lot of trouble to vandalise a Clive Palmer billboard in Brunswick. It now reads "Vote 0 Rump Riot”, with cartoon buttocks pasted over Palmer’s face, and "nonsense solutions to reduce the living."
All of these incidents are corroborated by several sources and backed up by photographs and video.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 01, 2025, 12:47:43 pm
Neo-nazis wearing crude Hasidic Jew costumes turned up at pre-polling station in Kew and handed out pamphlets with a manipulated Liberal Party logo and anti-Semitic messages. The pamphlets were also widely distributed to homes across Caulfield. Election billboards for both Labor and Liberal candidates were defaced with red Stars of David. The pamphlets are authorised by Joel Davis, a prominent neo-nazi who incited violence against Jewish people from the steps of Victoria’s Parliament House and who is out on bail in South Australia for displaying a Nazi symbol.
While it is unlikely that the pamphlets and pre-polling station antics will have any bearing on the election, State Liberal MP David Southwick is spot on with his statement; “Let me be crystal clear: this is not politics. This is hate. And it has no place in our community.”
In other news, on Tuesday, witnesses reported a man in a Collingwood jumper lobbing an estimated half-dozen eggs at the One Nation candidate and his supporters as they handed out how-to-vote cards at the Wills pre-polling station in Brunswick. Sitting Labor member for Wills, Peter Khalil, has had his posters defaced with "Zio Dog", "Fully Cooked" and other slogans. Activists are unhappy with Khalil for what they say is his lack of action on climate change and the conflict in Gaza. Khalil could lose his seat to the Greens and, in this case, the vandalism and pre-polling station tensions could impact the outcome.
Finally, activists have gone to a lot of trouble to vandalise a Clive Palmer billboard in Brunswick. It now reads "Vote 0 Rump Riot”, with cartoon buttocks pasted over Palmer’s face, and "nonsense solutions to reduce the living."
All of these incidents are corroborated by several sources and backed up by photographs and video.
We are at the stage we need security at likely trouble spot polling booths. Had enough of these neo Nazi types and Gaza protesters too. We are way too soft on these clowns and I'd be finding a home for them at Port Philip. Had the misfortune to be in Stkilda the other night picking up a family member from a work function and it was like being in Frankfurt or Crackfurt as it's known with scary zombie like people smacked out on the footpaths and kids roaming streets. Victoria has become a wasteland for crime, gangs, extreme political groups and now even voting at polling booths is being affected. Had to put up with years of corruption with Andrews running the State and now Jacinta Allan has lost control of law and order. None of these politicians are worth voting for and we just have to sit back and watch the state and country descend into a mini America or Euro ghetto country.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on May 02, 2025, 02:37:53 am
Just to round things out, a cyclist kicked and punched a Strumpet of Patriarchy volunteer at a Pakenham pre-polling station. The cyclist's political affiliation, if any, isn't known but his comments indicate that he is opposed to Palmer's policies on migration and multiculturalism.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: Lods on May 02, 2025, 07:23:03 am
A couple of takeouts...
Stupid actions at pre-polling stations aren't the restricted to one side of the political spectrum. We will no doubt see more shenanigans tomorrow.
Elections are emotional times and the policies of parties based on divisiveness and in some cases 'hate' tend to trigger those on opposite sides. Even at the basic Liberal/Labor level of 'combat' emotions run high at election times.
Demonise the individual politicians on a personal level and you will often get some lunatic who will take that on board and react in a stupid way....luckily, so far this has been restricted to things like vandalising electoral offices or throwing the odd egg or two...but back in the day, during the 60s, Labor Leader Arthur Calwell had a shotgun fired at him. Luckily it was just superficial wounds to the face.
Minor parties can offer you the world...because they have no chance of forming government in their own right. Independents can be great advocates for their political barrow, and their electorate, but the major decisions affecting our lives are made by those with the power...and that's really a choice of two We may not be enamoured of that choice but it really boils down to a Labour or LNP government.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on May 02, 2025, 09:23:41 am
Well said Lods!
A minor correction; the student who attempted to assassinate Calwell used a sawn-off .22 rifle. He fired through the window of Calwell’s car, the bullet was deflected and Calwell was injured by shards of glass.
Apparently, the student was motivated more by a desire to emulate the spate of political assassinations that had occurred around the world. He chose Calwell because of his opposition to conscription and the Vietnam War.
Title: Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Post by: DJC on May 02, 2025, 10:32:48 am
We have seen some unsavoury incidents involving most, if not all, political persuasions during this campaign. However, the reality is that they are few and far between.
I have voted in every Commonwealth, State and Local Government election since 1971 in Labor, Liberal, Country Party and swinging electorates. I have never witnessed any shenanigans at polling stations. On the contrary, the party and independent volunteers have usually been relaxed and in good spirits. It’s not uncommon to see volunteers or candidates chatting lightheartedly with their opposite numbers.
The debates between Albo and Dutton may not have been inspiring or entertaining but they were notable for the respectful manner in which both participants handled themselves. In fact, while Albo and Dutton may have opposing political stances, they are mates.
We may complain about the quality of our politicians and our system of government, but we shouldn’t complain about the manner in which our system functions. It’s a bit like spectators at our footy matches; there will be banter but it’s generally good-natured and rarely escalates.
It would be a tragedy if footy crowds had to be segregated and it would be a disaster if our elections were marred by violence and hate.
For that reason, I hope that the courts come down hard on everyone from the cyclist who attacked the Palmer supporter to the 17 year old who punched the old fellow … and even harder on the neo-nazi scumbags.