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Title: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on April 17, 2025, 10:03:34 am
Ready for the review? Maybe.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on April 18, 2025, 06:10:37 pm
Motlop with 8 tackles and 28 pressure acts was enormous.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: northernblue on April 18, 2025, 06:15:24 pm
It seemed like we stopped looking for the i50 pass in the last part of the 2nd & 3rd Q’s but back on song in the last. We beat who was in front of us and did it convincingly. Bring on next week 👍🏼
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: townsendcalling on April 18, 2025, 06:33:36 pm
So where can we find a small forward who applies pressure and kicks goals....... take your pick!😊
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: laj on April 18, 2025, 06:34:53 pm
Percentage 122.1%.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: shawny on April 18, 2025, 06:36:18 pm
Small forwards were on today - wish that was the standard as they were manic in their attack when they had the ball and without it. Great convincing win. Voss had a great game in coaches box and so happy to see the pressure come for the little sniper. Kids in white, carroll and lord all show signs. Hewitt in AA form. Good to finally be able to crush an opposition without a big game from cripps. I dont mind the forward line with only one of the 2 towers in it. Hopefully Weiters is ok. Will know more about where we sit next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on April 18, 2025, 06:41:52 pm
So that's what happens when you bring sustained pressure over the vast majority of the game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on April 18, 2025, 06:48:32 pm
North have played Dogs, Swans, Crows (in Adelaide), Demons, Suns and Carlton. They beat the Demons, but lost to the others. Our winning margin is greater than any of those other teams. It's a fair effort no matter how you slice it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LoveNavy on April 18, 2025, 06:51:07 pm
So where can we find a small forward who applies pressure and kicks goals....... take your pick!😊
Consistency is what remains Credit to ZW, Motlop, Durdin, White today Shout out to the long list of goalkickers today. Such a great achievement. Builds confidence if not a lot else and we definitely need that.
Well played
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: townsendcalling on April 18, 2025, 06:52:14 pm
Seems to be that Cripps takes the heat, and Georgie HEWETT gets the ball!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2025, 07:00:50 pm
Impressive, North were terrible but we did what we needed to do against terrible opposition...finally. Many contributors, George, TDK, Cerra, Weiters and the Fwd line were huge. I absolutely loved the 4qtr gang tacking and pressure on the ball carrier...finally. Ill have to look back at the records to see when we last kicked 24.9, off the cuff I said to a mate 1995 but Ill check. It can only be described as clinical, more of the please Blues.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Lods on April 18, 2025, 07:06:14 pm
Impressive, North were terrible but we did what we needed to do against terrible opposition...finally. Many contributors, George, TDK, Cerra, Weiters and the Fwd line were huge. I absolutely loved the 4qtr gang tacking and pressure on the ball carrier...finally. Ill have to look back at the records to see when we last kicked 24.9, off the cuff I said to a mate 1995 but Ill check. It can only be described as clinical, more of the please Blues.
Yep North were very poor today and we beat them pretty much like a 'good' side should. Maybe we're not so 'bad' after all.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2025, 07:06:30 pm
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Lods on April 18, 2025, 07:32:14 pm
We're one game out of the eight, and rocking the percentage :D
(Yeah, I know...there are still a few games to go this round) ;)
But we're one game out of the eight :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 18, 2025, 07:33:37 pm
You have to open your heart to the children who are receiving treatment in the RCH whether it’s short or long term. Best wishes to them and their families and well done to both clubs for supporting such a worthwhile cause.
It was a good, old fashioned shellacking - as I expected - thanks largely to the efforts of our small forwards. You really can’t have too many small forwards 😇
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2025, 07:33:43 pm
Impressive, North were terrible but we did what we needed to do against terrible opposition...finally. Many contributors, George, TDK, Cerra, Weiters and the Fwd line were huge. I absolutely loved the 4qtr gang tacking and pressure on the ball carrier...finally. Ill have to look back at the records to see when we last kicked 24.9, off the cuff I said to a mate 1995 but Ill check. It can only be described as clinical, more of the please Blues.
Yep North were very poor today and we beat them pretty much like a 'good' side should. Maybe we're not so 'bad' after all.
One step in the direction Lods, we need to build on consistancy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: townsendcalling on April 18, 2025, 07:40:43 pm
I suppose that is better than the alternative where we aren't even that.
I hear you. I am not celebrating too hard but reality is we won very well, like we should’ve!
Thing is, if after half time had they come out and kicked a few, how confident would any of us been that we’d go on with it? I was even nervous when they kicked the first 2 of the 4th.
Against a top side, a 20pt lead at halftime means nothing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: pinot on April 18, 2025, 07:57:14 pm
Small forwards today were incredible.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2025, 07:59:07 pm
I suppose that is better than the alternative where we aren't even that.
I hear you. I am not celebrating too hard but reality is we won very well, like we should’ve!
Thing is, if after half time had they come out and kicked a few, how confident would any of us been that we’d go on with it? I was even nervous when they kicked the first 2 of the 4th.
Against a top side, a 20pt lead at halftime means nothing.
Play like that every week, against every opponent, you mightn't win every game by 80 pts but I reckon you'll win more than you lose.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on April 18, 2025, 08:54:50 pm
Last time over 24 goals: 24.7 rnd 16 2014 v StK HIGHEST SCORE EVER 30.3 Rnd 2 1969 Haw
For the record, it was 30:30!!! Imagine if we'd kicked straight!! Some of us were there to witness it!!
Jezza kicked 6.12.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LoveNavy on April 18, 2025, 09:18:54 pm
A couple of players finding some form at last. Cerra, Acres, Charlie. ZW is the fwd line general we need. Great efforts from blue collar players: Cottrell - freakish kick across the body SoS Young did some nice things off the ball
Small fwds - fearless, ferocious, efficient
Great attack by the youngsters- White, Carroll, Lord. Good to see a bit of shepherding
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2025, 09:47:53 pm
A couple of players finding some form at last. Cerra, Acres, Charlie. ZW is the fwd line general we need. Great efforts from blue collar players: Cottrell - freakish kick across the body SoS Young did some nice things off the ball
Small fwds - fearless, ferocious, efficient
Great attack by the youngsters- White, Carroll, Lord. Good to see a bit of shepherding
If only Youngy could play like that every week and regain some of that 1st year with us form. The big fella threw his weight around a bit, laid some blokes for Zaccy, did some some nice things. Disposal is a worry though.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Lods on April 18, 2025, 10:11:39 pm
A couple of players finding some form at last. Cerra, Acres, Charlie. ZW is the fwd line general we need. Great efforts from blue collar players: Cottrell - freakish kick across the body SoS Young did some nice things off the ball
Small fwds - fearless, ferocious, efficient
Great attack by the youngsters- White, Carroll, Lord. Good to see a bit of shepherding
If only Youngy could play like that every week and regain some of that 1st year with us form. The big fella threw his weight around a bit, laid some blokes for Zaccy, did some some nice things. Disposal is a worry though.
Not so much today, but more generally...
I'd actually love to see him move the ball on a little quicker. I think he's a bit 'gun-shy' because of past mistakes and takes a moment to 'think' about his options rather than keeping the play moving....and then finds himself rushed and in trouble. Often it's a momentum killer in an attacking move.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: tonyo on April 18, 2025, 10:48:35 pm
Top win, nice to see us put the foot on the throat when we had the chance.
When North kicked the first couple of the last quarter, I thought we were going to coast to a 30-point win in typical style.
Apparently not.
That is what ruthless teams do.
I really like Will White. Works super hard and is no slouch in the one-on-ones.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Micky0 on April 18, 2025, 10:53:31 pm
Tbh Young looks panicked as soon as he has the ball in hand 99% of the time. His kick on goal was great and I want him to succeed but he needs to shake those worries asap.
Really v happy with Jesse and Williams, working harder and it pays dividends. The ‘tough conversations’ must’ve worked. Jesse in particular has really impressed me in fairness, when he’s good he’s very good.
MCG and Hayes still not convinced, they both improved as the game went on but as senior players they need to hit the ground running!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Micky0 on April 18, 2025, 10:55:13 pm
Top win, nice to see us put the foot on the throat when we had the chance.
When North kicked the first couple of the last quarter, I thought we were going to coast to a 30-point win in typical style.
Apparently not.
That is what ruthless teams do.
I really like Will White. Works super hard and is no slouch in the one-on-ones.
I'll be honest, I was upset at the end of the third quarter when they let them score their only goal with less than a minute to play. I felt it took the shine off what would have been the perfect qtr (holding them goalless). I immediately thought that's not what ruthless teams do. When they kicked the first couple in the last I thought "here we go again". To their credit though, they switched into the next gear and put North to the sword. I was most pleased with the response.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on April 18, 2025, 11:08:07 pm
Not surprised with the win, or the margin. Relieved though.
The difference the last couple of weeks make when you can actually pick a side. Before that we weren't picking a side, we were playing whoever was fit. Big difference.
Really happy that we are finally seeing a few kids coming through at once.
Will white is exceeding all expectations and simultaneously ending evans' career. Cooper Lord is playing like a veteran. Matt Carroll brings some much needing composure and excellent kicking skills. Even young durdin and motlop are finding their feet now they have a decent preseason. Ollie hollands has forced his way into the best 22 after looking shaky for a while. Who would've thought those blokes would be keeping someone like docherty out of the side??
Opposition wasn't great, but going into half time, you had to wonder if it was going to happen again. It didn't.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Blue Moon on April 18, 2025, 11:24:16 pm
Other than in the second quarter where we reverted to what hasn't worked for years which is kick it long to the goal square where we are outnumbered and when we lose possession the opposition is able to sling shot the ball to the other end, we were pretty good all day. Our tackling was good and better than what it has been but still no where near ferocious enough yet, moving the ball quickly and our kicking to the short option was better which really opens up the game for us, and taking advantage of our midfield dominance was like 2023 all over again. We have to do this against better sides and be willing to persevere when things aren't going our way. As I said to a North friend, our performance today highlights how frustrating the first five weeks have been. White, Carroll E.Hollands and Durdin all give us a bit more pace around the ground. I still don't see much future in Haynes and would prefer Boyd, Cincotta and Cowan to him. McGovern's good is good but he is not going to get better and I suspect they will keep playing him. Young did a number of good things up forward creating space for the small forwards. A lot of people focus on what he doesn't do but it is handy to have an experienced big man who can play forward, back and in the ruck. I think Lemmey is a better option in the future but Young keeps doing what he is asked to do. Harry's back next week however.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: dodge on April 18, 2025, 11:53:32 pm
Most has already been said. It was pretty close to a 4 qtr effort, and really pleasing that we didn't win by 5 goals after our lead at 3/4 time.
We also were able to revert to the high pressure footy when it lapsed a couple of times. The team should see the reward for effort now and hopefully it drives them.
Interesting Xerri got 116 AF points, TDK got 62. I thought TDK beat Xerri. A great all round effort not reliant on anyone.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on April 19, 2025, 12:19:36 am
I really like Will White. Works super hard and is no slouch in the one-on-ones.
Me too, he seems like he has football smarts!
I do want to discuss Will White. There is nothing of him. He isn't super quick, but he is far from slow. He had 2 possessions to half time, 10 in the 2nd half. He did some very nice things and kicked 3 goals. He wants to be out there. 5 tackles says a bit too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on April 19, 2025, 12:23:32 am
Most has already been said. It was pretty close to a 4 qtr effort, and really pleasing that we didn't win by 5 goals after our lead at 3/4 time.
We also were able to revert to the high pressure footy when it lapsed a couple of times. The team should see the reward for effort now and hopefully it drives them.
Interesting Xerri got 116 AF points, TDK got 62. I thought TDK beat Xerri. A great all round effort not reliant on anyone.
Interesting. Although Tom didn't win the taps, he effected Xerri's and we won the ball from the middle. When Tom won a tap, we usually scored. Tom had 5 clearances; Xerri had 3, but 2 of those were against Lewis Young. Xerri had 11 tackles, but he wasn't as effective as he was against us last year. Xerri deserved his money, but Tom did the things that really meant something.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on April 19, 2025, 12:30:15 am
Last week I wanted to see what I saw today, the sort of pressure football that makes an opposition collapse. Our tackling was ferocious, our attack on the ball was excellent and we didn't panic when we had the ball.
We had 64 Inside 50's to 39. We won the centre clearances 20 to 10. We had 83 tackles to 56. That is more than Collingwood and Brisbane combined! We had 23 tackles inside 50, compared to 8!
We killed North in the air.
But what I liked the most was our style of play. You could actually see one and it worked well.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on April 19, 2025, 12:52:15 am
Jack Silvagni has been excellent in defence. He is definitely one we've found who does the sort of job we needed Young to do. Jack had 18 possessions and 7 marks in defence, while his opponent was ineffective.
I wouldn't play Young back unless we were desperate. He looks better up the ground. His disposal ... That is still very much a work in progress. He had the better of Darling and held his own against Xerri.
McGovern: I guess we have to take the bad with the good. He can do some very nice things, but his decision making and passing still need work.
Nick Haynes is doing the job much better now. His disposal and decision making are 1000% better than they were against Richmond. He isn't going to last forever, but I am confident now that he will fill in his role. I would love a taller, more athletic option to replace him, but I am feeling more confident that he can do the job in the meantime. After round 1, I wasn't. I still claim that his game against Richmond was probably the worst I've ever seen.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LP on April 19, 2025, 06:41:05 am
Interesting Xerri got 116 AF points, TDK got 62. I thought TDK beat Xerri. A great all round effort not reliant on anyone.
What Xerri does was illegal 18 months ago, now it's an AFL stat.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LP on April 19, 2025, 06:44:48 am
Best game from Motlop so far, moving him into the mid rotations has been a win, I think if only they had done that with Kemp we might have another upside.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Lods on April 19, 2025, 06:52:01 am
There's a piece of vision floating around (that I can't find now, but I'm sure will pop up again) of Weitering and Saad on the bench. Weitering says something to Saad who gives him a "really, WTF" look. Weitering then covers his mouth, possibly clued enough to know there may be cameras on them, and says something else.
It may be nothing, it may be the winner of the first race at Randwick today, or he may have been talking about an early diagnosis of any injury.
Wait and see.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 19, 2025, 07:11:15 am
Last week I wanted to see what I saw today, the sort of pressure football that makes an opposition collapse. Our tackling was ferocious, our attack on the ball was excellent and we didn't panic when we had the ball.
We had 64 Inside 50's to 39. We won the centre clearances 20 to 10. We had 83 tackles to 56. That is more than Collingwood and Brisbane combined! We had 23 tackles inside 50, compared to 8!
We killed North in the air.
But what I liked the most was our style of play. You could actually see one and it worked well.
Great, do it again next week, the week after that and rinse and repeat please.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on April 19, 2025, 07:15:21 am
There's a piece of vision floating around (that I can't find now, but I'm sure will pop up again) of Weitering and Saad on the bench. Weitering says something to Saad who gives him a "really, WTF" look. Weitering then covers his mouth, possibly clued enough to know there may be cameras on them, and says something else.
It may be nothing, it may be the winner of the first race at Randwick today, or he may have been talking about an early diagnosis of any injury.
Wait and see.
Saw him reach for his hamstring in the 4th before the big spoil landing and the incident with the trainers being waived off field.
Reckon he was touching butt quite high up, so that's usually not a great indication. Could have been a Corky. Fell pretty hard spoiling in the next contest.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: BluePhantom on April 19, 2025, 08:16:53 am
Credit where credit is due. Well done boys. Now to feast on the pussys!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on April 19, 2025, 08:53:02 am
There's a piece of vision floating around (that I can't find now, but I'm sure will pop up again) of Weitering and Saad on the bench. Weitering says something to Saad who gives him a "really, WTF" look. Weitering then covers his mouth, possibly clued enough to know there may be cameras on them, and says something else.
It may be nothing, it may be the winner of the first race at Randwick today, or he may have been talking about an early diagnosis of any injury.
Wait and see.
Saw him reach for his hamstring in the 4th before the big spoil landing and the incident with the trainers being waived off field.
Reckon he was touching butt quite high up, so that's usually not a great indication. Could have been a Corky. Fell pretty hard spoiling in the next contest.
Replay shows knee on knee on the marking contest.
From the angle it happened I don't think it's structural ligament damage, but it's hard to diagnose something from the couch and a couple 5 second replays.
I did see the conversation on the bench between Saad and weitering....it did peak my curiosity though.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on April 19, 2025, 08:56:52 am
I thought he copped a knee to the shin, I'm sure we will find out today.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on April 19, 2025, 09:35:27 am
Motlop with 8 tackles and 28 pressure acts was enormous.
There was one passage of play that indicated that he might have taken the next step as a player when he repeatedly chased and pressured each successive opponent who was about the receive the next handpass in a chain of handpasses. I can't recall a Carlton player ever making such a committed chase.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on April 19, 2025, 09:38:58 am
Motlop with 8 tackles and 28 pressure acts was enormous.
There was one passage of play that indicated that he might have taken the next step as a player when he repeatedly chased and pressured each successive opponent who was about the receive the next handpass in a chain of handpasses. I can't recall a Carlton player ever making such a committed chase.
Yes, I noticed that piece of play too. It stood out a bit due to some of the criticism he often faces about his efforts and intensity. He's starting to put it together nicely.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on April 19, 2025, 09:51:22 am
McGovern's good is good but he is not going to get better and I suspect they will keep playing him.
I think Lemmey is a better option in the future.
McGovern is an attacking defender but he has hit and miss tendencies so, too often, when trying to intercept or spoil, he completely over-runs the contest and leaves a gaping hole behind him. Also he continues to contribute at least one short pass with too much air under it that is easily turned over - I noticed two this week.
Unfortunately, I am yet to be convinced that Lemmey offers any option for the future.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on April 19, 2025, 09:57:37 am
Interesting Xerri got 116 AF points, TDK got 62. I thought TDK beat Xerri.
TDK's centre square ruckwork was decisive in creating the lopsided clearance stats (and that goal) but I thought Xerri consistently out-positioned him around the ground and in boundary throw ins - although the fact that TDK failed to adjust to the consistent lack of depth of throw-ins from at least one of the boundary umpires probably contributed.
TDK's best work is top shelf but he still has several areas in which he can improve.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on April 19, 2025, 10:38:09 am
Amazing the difference getting reward for effort makes. The defensive base has been there all season, just couldn't get reward for effort which sapped confidence, and panicky stuff ensued.
Our first half was reasonably typical, good first qtr, but ordinary second qtr. Would the usual second half follow? Nuh. Lowered eyes going into the forward arc, and small forwards who could deliver made such a difference. Durdin, Motlop and White are developing nicely into small forwards who are dangerous, blokes who are defensively strong and love a goal. And each brings different points of difference/skills.
We took the Kangabies one wood from them, which Clarko commented on. But what really pleased me when watching Clarko talk about the game was that they changed things around but we adapted, absorbed and went about our business, rather than being bereft of ideas when the opposition changed their style and upped the ante. That's a very big difference for us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on April 19, 2025, 10:46:28 am
Norf supporters bi arching about umpiring... I think it Zuhaars goal ... JSOS is sheparded away from the goal line. I thought that was a clear free based on previous games this year !?! Hello, umpiring department anybody there ? Hello? Hello?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: rocky on April 19, 2025, 10:48:43 am
The structure was lacking due to players missing or out of form. In the last few weeks we're still missing players, but some are starting to hit their straps
West Coast 50.7%(inside 50s-73) North Melbourne 59.4% (inside 50s- 64)
Now the obvious response is...."Take a look at the opposition" The pressure on our forwards in the last two matches was not the same as in the first four. The opposition breakdown in our attacking area, and the lack of pressure from them, has resulted in a much greater level of efficiency in the last two games.
So the test comes next week. The inside 50s suggest that even against good opposition we will get plenty of opportunities Will the attack efficiency hold up against the greater skill and pressure that Geelong will bring.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: northernblue on April 19, 2025, 01:24:52 pm
If we continue to lower our eyes when going into f50 then yes, the efficiency will stand up Lods.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: pew2 on April 19, 2025, 02:19:04 pm
pressure and tackling great lets do it against the MEOWS now
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 19, 2025, 05:21:45 pm
At around the 26 minute mark of the third quarter, Weitering was pinged for holding the ball when Curtis brought him to the ground in the forward pocket. How did Curtis bring Weiters down? He hooked his right leg around Weiters' leg and tripped him. It should have been Weiters' free and, after SDK's and Keane's fines, the MRO should be relieving Curtis of some of his hard earned. I suspect that Christian will turn a blind eye.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: deepbluesee on April 19, 2025, 06:45:17 pm
At around the 26 minute mark of the third quarter, Weitering was pinged for holding the ball when Curtis brought him to the ground in the forward pocket. How did Curtis bring Weiters down? He hooked his right leg around Weiters' leg and tripped him. It should have been Weiters' free and, after SDK's and Keane's fines, the MRO should be relieving Curtis of some of his hard earned. I suspect that Christian will turn a blind eye.
Agree fully, a free kick at a very minimum. But I must admit I didn't see it until the 'tackle' was replayed
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Micky0 on April 19, 2025, 07:16:43 pm
At around the 26 minute mark of the third quarter, Weitering was pinged for holding the ball when Curtis brought him to the ground in the forward pocket. How did Curtis bring Weiters down? He hooked his right leg around Weiters' leg and tripped him. It should have been Weiters' free and, after SDK's and Keane's fines, the MRO should be relieving Curtis of some of his hard earned. I suspect that Christian will turn a blind eye.
Yes the umpires have way too much to decide on and they do it on the trot
BUT things have changed - this was obvious to me at the time, but they get a shot on goal!?
The not 15m is doing my head in, every call is completely different!
Basically there is no clear umpiring anymore.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LoveNavy on April 19, 2025, 08:33:09 pm
Crippa charged and fined for striking Simpkin
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LP on April 19, 2025, 09:26:41 pm
Media comment on Hewett's game like it's one out of the box, it just goes to show you how little they watch.
Also I thought EH was more influential than the stats show, did a lot of sacrificial stuff, we've missed him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LP on April 20, 2025, 12:31:48 am
Media comment on Hewett's game like it's one out of the box, it just goes to show you how little they watch.
I think some supporters probably don't give him the credit he deserves. He's not flashy, he's a workhorse and pretty dependable. What he's producing isn't anything new. He's probably 'shining' and showing up a bit more this year because Cripps hasn't been as dominant
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on April 20, 2025, 01:11:12 pm
Well he was dropped last year.
He has gone up a level with Kennedy not taking up midfield minutes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Lods on April 20, 2025, 01:33:07 pm
He has gone up a level with Kennedy not taking up midfield minutes.
Was that the time (when he was dropped) we were playing silly buggers with him and Kennedy. Rotations that mystified a lot of us at the time but were probably an attempt to give some of the midfielders a bit of a break. It was about that time things went off the rails.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on April 20, 2025, 01:54:42 pm
He has gone up a level with Kennedy not taking up midfield minutes.
Was that the time (when he was dropped) we were playing silly buggers with him and Kennedy. Rotations that mystified a lot of us at the time but were probably an attempt to give some of the midfielders a bit of a break. It was about that time things went off the rails.
Yes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on April 20, 2025, 06:43:53 pm
He has gone up a level with Kennedy not taking up midfield minutes.
He might also be more reliable than others in kicking to the advantage of his teammates.
Also allows us to be more flexible with Cripps. Can let him go forward a bit more often where he can be dangerous. He'll likely go there more and more as he gets older.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on April 20, 2025, 10:44:01 pm
He might also be more reliable than others in kicking to the advantage of his teammates.
Also allows us to be more flexible with Cripps. Can let him go forward a bit more often where he can be dangerous. He'll likely go there more and more as he gets older.
Kennedy should've been made to be a 3rd tall forward who can back up the midfield. Swap with cripps so we always have a 3rd tall marking target and a tough inside mid between them. Leave Hewett as a full time mid.
Could've worked with all of them, but Kennedy drew the short straw.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 20, 2025, 11:20:02 pm
Also allows us to be more flexible with Cripps. Can let him go forward a bit more often where he can be dangerous. He'll likely go there more and more as he gets older.
Kennedy should've been made to be a 3rd tall forward who can back up the midfield. Swap with cripps so we always have a 3rd tall marking target and a tough inside mid between them. Leave Hewett as a full time mid.
Could've worked with all of them, but Kennedy drew the short straw.
Yeah, nah!
Apart from a couple of games earlier on in his career with us, Kennedy was a failure when tried as a third tall forward.
You have to break eggs to make an omelette and Kennedy had an oeuf opportunities. We're looking far more likely to kick winning scores with forwards Williams, Motlop, Hollands and Fogarty each spending time in the midfield.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: tonyo on April 21, 2025, 09:30:17 am
Unfortunately for Matt (and I was really sorry to see him go), he wanted to play midfield, but he was a slightly-less-good clone of Cerra, Hewett and Cripps, and had no x-factor like Elijah. If you have a midfield that collectively moves as fast as treacle, you may win the contest, but you get chopped up when the ball is on the move.
Jagga Smith was going to change that mix (ffs!), we'll have to wait until 2026 to see how it works. Meantime, they have thrown Motlop in for the odd centre bounce, and the initial results appear promising.
You can't keep them all.......
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 21, 2025, 09:47:52 am
Unfortunately for Matt (and I was really sorry to see him go), he wanted to play midfield, but he was a slightly-less-good clone of Cerra, Hewett and Cripps, and had no x-factor like Elijah. If you have a midfield that collectively moves as fast as treacle, you may win the contest, but you get chopped up when the ball is on the move.
Jagga Smith was going to change that mix (ffs!), we'll have to wait until 2026 to see how it works. Meantime, they have thrown Motlop in for the odd centre bounce, and the initial results appear promising.
You can't keep them all.......
Exactly right, move on.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on April 21, 2025, 01:54:15 pm
Yeah we looked a little too one paced with Kennedy and Hewett in there and Hewett had more defensive side to his game.
I dont think anyone here wanted kennedy to go and i was a but shocked when it happened but there may have been extenuating circumstances surrounding contract demands there too that might have led to his departure.
Maybe it was the dollars and maybe it was the years, but I think kenedy is a competitor. We stuck by him through a few injuries and transformed him into something he isn't but he's in that demographic of player we needed to start moving on or transition to lesser roles. He complements the bulldogs. He's like Jack mcrae but more offensive a weapon. He's still not very quick and there's only so many of those you can carry.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 21, 2025, 06:14:10 pm
It's funny how supporters who were anticipating a loss to North Melbourne are now saying that we only beat North :)
It seems to me that something was out of whack at the start of the season. Whether it was the loss of players who were set for key roles, players adjusting to new roles, the new strength and conditioning regime, the consumption of too much bathwater, or a combination of factors, we simply weren't switched on for four quarters and lost games that most of us would have pencilled in for Ws.
I felt that the coaching panel didn't try to address all of our shortcomings in one hit but focused on one step at a time. We got a little better with each game and it took four games and a relatively weak opponent in West Coast for us to get to where we should have been in Round 1. North Melbourne felt the full force of a re-energised team playing its brand of footy.
Of course, all of that will mean nothing if we can't build on that performance when we take on the Cats.
Positives for me at this stage are our defence (both individually and team), the midfield (without a huge input from Cripps), and the the forward line as it functioned in the last game. Small forwards who can hit the scoreboard, apply defensive pressure, and do their bit in the midfield are invaluable. It's easy to see why Durdin got that contract extension. Let's hope he can stay fit and maintain that form.
Kemp was showing signs of working out as our third tall forward before his cruel injury. Silvagni looks like he was always meant to play in defence and good on him for suggesting the change in role.
The other self-initiated role changer is Williams and his footy smarts are paying dividends in our forward line. He was also able to perform adequately in defence when Cowan did his hammy and his spells in the midfield have been good. Like Durds, Zac has to stay on the park.
The De Koning versus Xerri clash was interesting. Despite the commentators gushing over the King's work, it was a fairly close contest with Xerri taking the honours at throw ins and Tom dominating the centre bounces. Of course, Tom has a better highlights reel and he did make it hard for Xerri's taps to reach their targets.
The bottom line is that we had a very good win over a team that would have made us pay if we had played as we did in the first three rounds.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 21, 2025, 06:29:15 pm
It's funny how supporters who were anticipating a loss to North Melbourne are now saying that we only beat North :)
It seems to me that something was out of whack at the start of the season. Whether it was the loss of players who were set for key roles, players adjusting to new roles, the new strength and conditioning regime, the consumption of too much bathwater, or a combination of factors, we simply weren't switched on for four quarters and lost games that most of us would have pencilled in for Ws.
I felt that the coaching panel didn't try to address all of our shortcomings in one hit but focused on one step at a time. We got a little better with each game and it took four games and a relatively weak opponent in West Coast for us to get to where we should have been in Round 1. North Melbourne felt the full force of a re-energised team playing its brand of footy.
Of course, all of that will mean nothing if we can't build on that performance when we take on the Cats.
Positives for me at this stage are our defence (both individually and team), the midfield (without a huge input from Cripps), and the the forward line as it functioned in the last game. Small forwards who can hit the scoreboard, apply defensive pressure, and do their bit in the midfield are invaluable. It's easy to see why Durdin got that contract extension. Let's hope he can stay fit and maintain that form.
Kemp was showing signs of working out as our third tall forward before his cruel injury. Silvagni looks like he was always meant to play in defence and good on him for suggesting the change in role.
The other self-initiated role changer is Williams and his footy smarts are paying dividends in our forward line. He was also able to perform adequately in defence when Cowan did his hammy and his spells in the midfield have been good. Like Durds, Zac has to stay on the park.
The De Koning versus Xerri clash was interesting. Despite the commentators gushing over the King's work, it was a fairly close contest with Xerri taking the honours at throw ins and Tom dominating the centre bounces. Of course, Tom has a better highlights reel and he did make it hard for Xerri's taps to reach their targets.
The bottom line is that we had a very good win over a team that would have made us pay if we had played as we did in the first three rounds.
Yeah good team Norf, here's their last 20 games LLLWLLLWLLLWLLLLWLLL We beat absolutely putrid opposition two weeks in a row (thankfully). Lets see how we go next week against a good team, if manage to beat them I might sit up and take notice.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on April 21, 2025, 06:30:05 pm
Nice post DJC. Generally agree.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on April 21, 2025, 08:26:49 pm
Holy mackerel!! :o
I think someone mentioned it previously in this thread. I just watch the game again, and FM if Weiters didn't have his legs taken from under him by a Judo move very late in the 3rd qtr. How the hell can that be allowed. Using Judo to take players legs from under them will cause serious knee injuries galore if it's allowed to creep into our game. :o
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on April 21, 2025, 09:17:01 pm
I think someone mentioned it previously in this thread. I just watch the game again, and FM if Weiters didn't have his legs taken from under him by a Judo move very late in the 3rd qtr. How the hell can that be allowed. Using Judo to take players legs from under them will cause serious knee injuries galore if it's allowed to creep into our game. :o
More worried about popping a shoulder when you put your arm out to stop yourself headbutting the turf. Double so because you've got a bloke on your back riding you down.
Needs to be highlighted and stopped now. Should've been called for tripping because that's exactly what it was.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on April 22, 2025, 08:05:56 am
I think someone mentioned it previously in this thread. I just watch the game again, and FM if Weiters didn't have his legs taken from under him by a Judo move very late in the 3rd qtr. How the hell can that be allowed. Using Judo to take players legs from under them will cause serious knee injuries galore if it's allowed to creep into our game. :o
More worried about popping a shoulder when you put your arm out to stop yourself headbutting the turf. Double so because you've got a bloke on your back riding you down.
Needs to be highlighted and stopped now. Should've been called for tripping because that's exactly what it was.
I would suggest, K, it is a lot worse than tripping as the variety of potential injuries, as we've both pointed out, are many. Intentionally taking out a blokes legs with a martial arts manoeuvre should be an illegal tackle. Hopefully some sports journo will be onto it and highlight this dangerous 'tackle.' Or someone at our club does.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 22, 2025, 08:35:24 am
Rather than pinging Crippa for a fairly innocuous clash, Christian should have come down hard on Curtis … but that would require a desire to discourage potentially dangerous tactics creeping into our game.
The commentators picked it up from the replay and dismissed it with something like “OK if you get away with it”. 🙄
The AFL should issue a statement warning that tripping an opponent in a tackle will result in a free kick and MRO consequences … but they won’t 🤔
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on April 22, 2025, 08:37:40 am
Generally agree DJC. I’d like to think the club is looking into this further and making some noise, even if it is only behind the scenes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on April 22, 2025, 08:56:07 am
I saw a leg broken (snapped both lower leg bones) in a tripping/tangle incident at club level. It was a dog act and should have, at the very least, registered a mentioned as "noted, no sanction...but players on notice" addendum.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 22, 2025, 12:15:29 pm
I saw a leg broken (snapped both lower leg bones) in a tripping/tangle incident at club level. It was a dog act and should have, at the very least, registered a mentioned as "noted, no sanction...but players on notice" addendum.
And I'd to the note that the next player to do it will be hit hard with sanctions.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on April 22, 2025, 12:57:23 pm
I don't revel in the media pile on, but gees it's nice for the heat to come onto another club than ours. I can't believe how they've piled into Norf.... Perhaps we were better than people thought? But one things for sure, a rebuild isn't 3-5 years, it's closer to 10, especially if you don't get everything right, like drafting a player who nicks off home as fast as possible
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 22, 2025, 01:01:53 pm
I don't revel in the media pile on, but gees it's nice for the heat to come onto another club than ours. I can't believe how they've piled into Norf.... Perhaps we were better than people thought? But one things for sure, a rebuild isn't 3-5 years, it's closer to 10, especially if you don't get everything right, like drafting a player who nicks off home as fast as possible
Relying on a messiah coach to turn things around is rarely the way to go, particularly if your list management is poor.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Sexybronco on April 22, 2025, 01:13:26 pm
I don't revel in the media pile on, but gees it's nice for the heat to come onto another club than ours. I can't believe how they've piled into Norf.... Perhaps we were better than people thought? But one things for sure, a rebuild isn't 3-5 years, it's closer to 10, especially if you don't get everything right, like drafting a player who nicks off home as fast as possible
Relying on a messiah coach to turn things around is rarely the way to go, particularly if your list management is poor.
Preaching to the choir here mate, we've all seen how that goes first hand.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on April 22, 2025, 01:30:37 pm
Relying on a messiah coach to turn things around is rarely the way to go, particularly if your list management is poor.
There's a certain alchemy that's required to turn a losing culture into a consistent winning culture. IMO it goes well beyond the simple arithmetic of good coach + high draft picks + a couple of stars + stable off field + minimal injuries etc = success. The longer I spend in the AFL world the more I am convinced that even the pros don't really know when the switch will flick, nor do they even know how to get it to flick. I suspect all they can do is put the right pieces in place, keep plugging away and hope for the best. Richmond going from nothing to 3 flags in 4 years is the textbook example of this IMO.
I have no doubt that Clarkson is still sharp and still a very good coach. But I'm sure he can spot the differences between Hawthorn and North from a mile away.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on April 22, 2025, 02:15:37 pm
Any club that thinks it's less than 10 years is smoking stuff. As Paul said, there's no guarantees, you put the ingredients in place, follow (whatever) "process" and hope it works out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 22, 2025, 03:53:19 pm
Nth cant attract any champion players because they are Nth a perennial lowly team with no members and living on the edge so would want to go there knowing the club could fold up at any time and chances of playing finals are minimal at best. Add Jeremy Cameron and Jacob Weitering and Nth become a competitive team, take away Patrick Cripps and Jacob Weitering from our list and we become Nth..