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Title: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on April 26, 2025, 02:18:14 pm
Ready for tomorrow.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on April 27, 2025, 06:05:07 pm
If we are fit. We can play 4 quarters.
If we play 4 quarters. We will win more often than not.
We lost ZW. SOJ hurt his hand. Haynes hurt his shoulder Cez may have hurt his groin.
Gutsy 4 quarter win.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: laj on April 27, 2025, 06:12:36 pm
We won!
Still lapses at the start of qtrs when we have a lead. Makes life harder than need be but the season is now kick started.
If it wasn't for @#$! GWS I'd have 9 winners plus picking the margin last Thursday.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on April 27, 2025, 06:16:06 pm
Cats were pretty efficient and made the most of their opportunities - kept them in the game for sure. It's definitely something we can learn from and definitely an area of improvement for us. Other than that, it was a pretty dominant performance. All the key stats are in our favour, and we even got the rub of the green from the umps. A good day all round.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LordLucifer on April 27, 2025, 06:19:50 pm
Thank god for that !!!
They threw the kitchen sink at us in the last and our guys were able to withstand it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: cookie2 on April 27, 2025, 06:21:54 pm
A magnificent win against a tough professional team. Keep it going Blues, very proud of you today!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Professer E on April 27, 2025, 06:27:10 pm
Tremendous effort based win.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Blue Moon on April 27, 2025, 06:29:42 pm
It takes a big man to admit he is wrong and anyone who knows me will tell you I am a small petty individual but I have to admit that Haynes and McGovern were excellent. Go Blues. Other than just before half time when we stopped going forward, we were very good all day. Geelong's big dogs, Dangerfield and Cameron, were good and they were slick going forward all day, but we were simply too good. It is amazing what happens when you kick the ball to your team mates, have a go and don't give up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: blueday on April 27, 2025, 06:34:07 pm
Same here. I had McGoverns papers stamped, I'm sure I'll be back there before season end. But he was great. SOS back is the best positional move we've made in a decade.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: shawny on April 27, 2025, 06:56:15 pm
Same here. I had McGoverns papers stamped, I'm sure I'll be back there before season end. But he was great. SOS back is the best positional move we've made in a decade.
mcgovern is that sort of player. He can okay a blinder and make us all think he is a AA defender then plays 2 average games followed by 2 shockers where we all want to put him in the bin.
His biggest problem has never been ability it’s constantly playing at a high level and reduce the number of brain fart shocker games.
Today he was the amazing version of mcGovern who knows what we get next week. Jack on the other hand looks to have finally found his position. His field kicking is A grade which means we have a decent user when transitioning.
Great even team effort.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on April 27, 2025, 06:58:05 pm
Well thankfully we are not frauds. But starting to fall like nine pins again,
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on April 27, 2025, 06:59:35 pm
Cats were pretty efficient and made the most of their opportunities - kept them in the game for sure. It's definitely something we can learn from and definitely an area of improvement for us. Other than that, it was a pretty dominant performance. All the key stats are in our favour, and we even got the rub of the green from the umps. A good day all round.
Yep. Great day. Still in the hunt, and a few critics given something to think about.
Should have won by more but for some inside our 50 inefficiency - 8 more shots on goal.
Beating a very good side in very good form is especially pleasing. Also good to see Nick Haynes do so well, his intercept game was telling.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on April 27, 2025, 07:00:59 pm
Cats were pretty efficient and made the most of their opportunities - kept them in the game for sure. It's definitely something we can learn from and definitely an area of improvement for us. Other than that, it was a pretty dominant performance. All the key stats are in our favour, and we even got the rub of the green from the umps. A good day all round.
Agree except for the rub of the green with the umpires.
There is no way they were lenient our way. Danger is and always will be a protected species and elbowed saad in the head. Ran straight through him. Play on the call, cats goal.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on April 27, 2025, 07:09:15 pm
Given Doc was BoG on the VFL, young Carroll might struggle to hold his spot, he had 5 minutes of shocker that basically destroyed our momentum.
Luckily the senior players stood up when it mattered, the young blokes looked a bit wobbly, but Cripps, Hewett, McGovern, Weiters and Haynes held station. Haynes best game for us by some margin.
EH was enormous 2nd week back, boy we've missed him and Big H, EH is so calm in the heat and BigH was back to contested marking best. Hewett, EH, OH, Cerra all above 80% DE which is exceptional for blokes running through the midfield.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on April 27, 2025, 07:13:10 pm
Cats were pretty efficient and made the most of their opportunities - kept them in the game for sure. It's definitely something we can learn from and definitely an area of improvement for us. Other than that, it was a pretty dominant performance. All the key stats are in our favour, and we even got the rub of the green from the umps. A good day all round.
Agree except for the rub of the green with the umpires.
There is no way they were lenient our way. Danger is and always will be a protected species and elbowed saad in the head. Ran straight through him. Play on the call, cats goal.
I thought the umps were pretty good. A prime example was the weitering/dangerfield one on one close to goal. Plenty of free kicks could've been played, but the umps let it go. Didn't even fall for the dangerflog flop at the end of it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on April 27, 2025, 07:15:31 pm
I thought the umps were pretty good. A prime example was the weitering/dangerfield one on one close to goal. Plenty of free kicks could've been played, but the umps let it go. Didn't even fall for the dangerflog flop at the end of it.
Yes, I thought for the bulk of the game they had little influence on the outcome, paid obvious frees when they saw them, a few guesses in the last probably stained an otherwise good game, but they are only human and feel the pressure too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 27, 2025, 07:16:03 pm
Good win against a quality side who seemed a bit off. The Bad Haynes FFS does a truckload very well but his kicking is deplorable. They need to stop giving off to him because he turns it over more often than not. Defensively and effort wise he is very strong, disposal lets him down. I reckon Matty Carroll would have got subbed if Zac didn't get subbed so early. He was slipping over just about every time he got it in the first half which resulted in a turnover most times. He must have changed his boots at 1/2 time because he kept his feet much more often. We let two deplorable goals in from the pocket as a result of very poor defensive efforts, those cost you games and today almost did. They happened right in front of where we were sitting and it was horrible. The Good I think from an overall team point of view, everyone contributed and went in hard and tackled when they had to. Geel bullied us at times and by christ they are clean in close with their hands. As a team, we weathered the storm well and guttsed it out for 4 qtrs which was extremely pleasing. So happy for H, contributed three very important goals in the context of the game.
Very happy to walk away with the 4 points against a very good outfit despite looking very shaky in the first half of the last qtr.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: rocky on April 27, 2025, 07:27:20 pm
Went to the game with not much confidence. I guess most of us felt the same way. Well, just like last year, we've had our best win for the year against the pussies at the 'G'. Somehow I don't think we'll be dropping George after this one however. He's locked in for the B&F as far as I can see.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on April 27, 2025, 07:39:19 pm
Agree except for the rub of the green with the umpires.
There is no way they were lenient our way. Danger is and always will be a protected species and elbowed saad in the head. Ran straight through him. Play on the call, cats goal.
I thought the umps were pretty good. A prime example was the weitering/dangerfield one on one close to goal. Plenty of free kicks could've been played, but the umps let it go. Didn't even fall for the dangerflog flop at the end of it.
Yep I dont think we got the rub of the green was my main point. Dangers goal on quarter time dot points it.
I dont think we were hard done by either, and being truthful, if you wanted to pull up a free kick in every contest you could find one both ways as they are technically always infringing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on April 27, 2025, 07:56:25 pm
Well just watched the Chris Scott media conference post match... and... you'd have thought we were lucky to win, and we only really won because the Pussycats just had 'one of those games' where their mistakes and failures allowed us in.
I see it a little differently, Christopher. If you apply enough effective, sustained pressure to just about any club, they just might make uncustomary mistakes. And if you've got some serious talent on the paddock who can capitalise on those errors...
Rather disingenuous post game summary, Christopher! Scoreboards seldom lie.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on April 27, 2025, 08:00:05 pm
Well just watched the Chris Scott media conference post match... and... you'd have thought we were lucky to win, and we only really won because the Pussycats just had 'one of those games' where their mistakes and failures allowed us in.
I see it a little differently, Christopher. If you apply enough effective, sustained pressure to just about any club, they just might make uncustomary mistakes. And if you've got some serious talent on the paddock who can capitalise on those errors...
Rather disingenuous post game summary, Christopher! Scoreboards seldom lie.
I just finished listening to that too, and i can see where you got that from, but i disagree.
He gave us some kudos. Talked about our pressure and inside ball winning ability. His issue seems to be the errors that came under no pressure. There were plenty of turnovers that he can be referring too. He also eluded to some players in the guts that were sub-par, unusually, that hurt them.
I actually didn't mind what he said and was pretty honest without being revealing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on April 27, 2025, 08:06:33 pm
Well just watched the Chris Scott media conference post match... and... you'd have thought we were lucky to win, and we only really won because the Pussycats just had 'one of those games' where their mistakes and failures allowed us in.
I see it a little differently, Christopher. If you apply enough effective, sustained pressure to just about any club, they just might make uncustomary mistakes. And if you've got some serious talent on the paddock who can capitalise on those errors...
Rather disingenuous post game summary, Christopher! Scoreboards seldom lie.
I watch a lot of press conferences. That's pretty much his standard MO. He rarely gives the opposition their due, at least not without qualification and not without equivocation. It's irritating for opposition supporters, but he knows exactly what's he doing. Very clever in how he goes about it IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Sexybronco on April 27, 2025, 08:11:16 pm
Well just watched the Chris Scott media conference post match... and... you'd have thought we were lucky to win, and we only really won because the Pussycats just had 'one of those games' where their mistakes and failures allowed us in.
I see it a little differently, Christopher. If you apply enough effective, sustained pressure to just about any club, they just might make uncustomary mistakes. And if you've got some serious talent on the paddock who can capitalise on those errors...
Rather disingenuous post game summary, Christopher! Scoreboards seldom lie.
I just finished listening to that too, and i can see where you got that from, but i disagree.
He gave us some kudos. Talked about our pressure and inside ball winning ability. His issue seems to be the errors that came under no pressure. There were plenty of turnovers that he can be referring too. He also eluded to some players in the guts that were sub-par, unusually, that hurt them.
I actually didn't mind what he said and was pretty honest without being revealing.
14 goals 10 to 12 goals 4, thought they were far more efficient than us, we just gusted it out and would have been stiff to lose. We should gain some great team confidence from that game and with that will come greater composure and connection.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pertz on April 27, 2025, 08:19:10 pm
The best thing about the win in my humble opinion was they came hard at us at the start of the 3rd quarter and again in the last and we held firm. That's a good sign the belief is coming back
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on April 27, 2025, 08:44:21 pm
9 day break vs 6 day break.
I tipped us to win, they have had a good run, but those 3 days are big and we saw some interesting form as a result.
No one is ever worried about anything but what they could have done better.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: bobby on April 27, 2025, 08:52:48 pm
I was originally concerned Jack down back thinking his smarts were best used deep forward. Happy to be proven wrong after what we’ve seen.
After last weeks win I said Motlop needs to turn up every week. 5 disposals and very very underwhelming. Needs to take a good hard look at himself. He did only one get 88 minutes of the 120 , but that’s about his I can say in his defence.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 27, 2025, 08:56:50 pm
Ticked a lot of boxes in that game and I like the overall team effort with so many contributors without max star input from Cripps, Charlie etc. George Hewett must be leading the B&F and is playing the best football of his career and Jacks work on Cameron was great too even though the stats showed Cameron did his job but I thought Jack dulled his brilliance and he did well in the one on one duels. Chris Scott was his usual giving self at the presser and gave his usual zero kudos to the opposing team preferring to go with the Cats played their worst game rather than we played very well. He did say that he could see why clubs are chasing TDK and he would look good down at Torquay or something similar. Wins against Geelong with Chris Scott coaching always are a bit sweeter and seeing him doing his best not to praise us is as entertaining as the game itself was.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on April 27, 2025, 09:09:39 pm
Well just watched the Chris Scott media conference post match... and... you'd have thought we were lucky to win, and we only really won because the Pussycats just had 'one of those games' where their mistakes and failures allowed us in.
I see it a little differently, Christopher. If you apply enough effective, sustained pressure to just about any club, they just might make uncustomary mistakes. And if you've got some serious talent on the paddock who can capitalise on those errors...
Rather disingenuous post game summary, Christopher! Scoreboards seldom lie.
I rather disingenuous man, so I am not surprised. He wouldn't admit we were better on the day for a million dollars. Nor does he ever admit to getting anything wrong. Not my favourite human.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: deepbluesee on April 27, 2025, 09:12:10 pm
On a side note, did anyone make sense of the Geelong jumper. Looked like every player had slid across the paint on the ground.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on April 27, 2025, 09:16:00 pm
"A moment that shaped the national identities of both Australia and New Zealand, Geelong's ANZAC guernsey pays tribute to the bravery, resilience and sacrifice of the ANZACs.
The guernsey features an illustrative representation of the Gallipoli landscape and its four natural elements — the sky, the hills, the beach and the water — which have all been thoughtfully intertwined between the traditional navy hoops, creating a powerful visual story of place and remembrance."
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: deepbluesee on April 27, 2025, 09:22:32 pm
"A moment that shaped the national identities of both Australia and New Zealand, Geelong's ANZAC guernsey pays tribute to the bravery, resilience and sacrifice of the ANZACs.
The guernsey features an illustrative representation of the Gallipoli landscape and its four natural elements — the sky, the hills, the beach and the water — which have all been thoughtfully intertwined between the traditional navy hoops, creating a powerful visual story of place and remembrance."
I did assume there would be a good ANZAC story behind it (a little too lazy to look it up). Still, graphically, I don't think it was a winner,just looked like a blue smudge to me.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on April 27, 2025, 09:29:33 pm
"A moment that shaped the national identities of both Australia and New Zealand, Geelong's ANZAC guernsey pays tribute to the bravery, resilience and sacrifice of the ANZACs.
The guernsey features an illustrative representation of the Gallipoli landscape and its four natural elements — the sky, the hills, the beach and the water — which have all been thoughtfully intertwined between the traditional navy hoops, creating a powerful visual story of place and remembrance."
I'm sure it was supposed to mean something, but from where I was sitting, it didn't say much.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: deepbluesee on April 27, 2025, 09:31:04 pm
"A moment that shaped the national identities of both Australia and New Zealand, Geelong's ANZAC guernsey pays tribute to the bravery, resilience and sacrifice of the ANZACs.
The guernsey features an illustrative representation of the Gallipoli landscape and its four natural elements — the sky, the hills, the beach and the water — which have all been thoughtfully intertwined between the traditional navy hoops, creating a powerful visual story of place and remembrance."
I'm sure it was supposed to mean something, but from where I was sitting, it didn't say much.
Dear wife said 'art smock' 😄
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on April 27, 2025, 09:34:57 pm
I did assume there would be a good ANZAC story behind it (a little too lazy to look it up). Still, graphically, I don't think it was a winner,just looked like a blue smudge to me.
I suspect up close it looks quite good, but as you say, it didn’t quite work at a distance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: RiverRat on April 27, 2025, 09:43:29 pm
good to see Nick Haynes do so well, his intercept game was telling.
Even looked more like a footballer with the new hairstyle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on April 27, 2025, 09:44:27 pm
Voting this week is going to be interesting, as a lot of guys really stood up under pressure today: Sam Walsh's first half was brilliant. He tired somewhat, but still ended with 30 possessions. 2 tackles, 2 clearances, clearly BOG in the first half. Patrick Cripps: what a game he played! 29 possessions, 9 tackles and 8 clearances. And the times he got the ball and held it in under pressure. H: 19 disposals and 12 marks to go with his 3 goals. He really was more than just good, he took great marks when it mattered. Tom: won his ruck duel, 20 possessions, 39 taps, 5 clearances and 1 goal. Apart from a couple of awful kicks, he had a pretty good day. Nick Haynes: 13 marks, 8 of those interceptions! A totally different player to the disaster who lost us Rd 1. He had a good matchup and he really dominated. Mitch McGovern: 20 disposals and 7 marks, tackles at the right time, interceptions and spoils: one of his best ever games. Ollie Hollands and Elijah Hollands: they also had days to remember.
I could go on. It is going to be very difficult to give votes, as we had winners everywhere.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: RiverRat on April 27, 2025, 09:50:15 pm
Apart from his towering mark and goal, I was very impressed with the number of intense pressure acts from Durdin, which possibly didn't trouble the statistician.
Ollie Hollands running ability was on a different level today; the number of times he tracked up and (deep) back was eye catching and very telling - even his disposal was better than sometimes is the case.
McGovern seemed to miss out on his obligatory floating turnover but Carroll had some shocking kicks for a change.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 27, 2025, 10:17:32 pm
Apart from his towering mark and goal, I was very impressed with the number of intense pressure acts from Durdin, which possibly didn't trouble the statistician.
Ollie Hollands running ability was on a different level today; the number of times he tracked up and (deep) back was eye catching and very telling - even his disposal was better than sometimes is the case.
McGovern seemed to miss out on his obligatory floating turnover but Carroll had some shocking kicks for a change.
I just had a look at the stats, Haynes was credited with 3 TOs, 3 clangers and a DE of 70%. Thats not what I saw live at the ground. I may need to watch the replay, I may also need to learn what the definition is for a TO and and Clanger.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on April 27, 2025, 10:20:34 pm
Haynes was very good today.
Not the first time I'll eat humble pie, but credit where it's due, I thought he was a dud pickup and he proved me wrong today.
Particularly his 3rd quarter. He was huge.
@Gointocarlton i think a turnover and clanger can sometimes be the same stat.
You'll turn it over and make a clanger and notch up one in each. A clanger can also be an out on the full, or a short target missed. A turnover results in the opposition getting the ball, so it's possible he turned it over 3 times short.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Professer E on April 27, 2025, 10:22:02 pm
I just read that Harry had facial fractures after that hit. Took a lot of guts to come out and play like that today. Still staggered Gross didn't cop a holiday for it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on April 27, 2025, 10:28:38 pm
I just read that Harry had facial fractures after that hit. Took a lot of guts to come out and play like that today. Still staggered Gross didn't cop a holiday for it.
Yep. Very good and seems to have turned his mentality around. Best game H has played for some time, so wouldn't surprise me if his mental health issues have dogged him since 2023.
Re Gross. I can't agree. Yes he went the bump, but their heads collided by accident. It wasn't a deliberate high hit, and was more freak occurrence than anything. If he got suspended for that, its an outcome based suspension not an action based one. It could happen 100 more times, and Harry wouldn't get hit like that again.
Dangerfield was more likely to cause issue with his approach to finding off with his forearm to saad, and even he shouldn't get suspended for that (should be a free kick, but thats to deter the action).
Honestly I saw it as a heads coming together and gross could easily have come off second best and this is where by avoiding the bumping and bracing players are not protecting themselves properly. Harry has a foot and probably 10 kgs on his west coast counterpart and absolutely should have knocked him into next week by bracing but this is the game today.
I saw a few times where we play too nice. Marking contest. Punch the footy or punch the back of your opponents hand (really hard) to ensure their fingers start to hurt. Same with ducking into a tackle. You get them high, really get them high. Not dirty, don't knock them out but give the head a good rub so they might actually feel it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Lods on April 27, 2025, 11:05:47 pm
Looks like the players see it a little differently to some of us. :D
On a reel on the Carlton Facebook page the players were asked to give a shout out to a player.
Haynes got the most and Fogarty also picked up a couple (for the role he played ;)
Others mentioned were Harry, Hewett, Gov, Jack, Cera and Durdin
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialCarltonFC/reels/
It's the reel with Tom holding the mic
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Micky0 on April 27, 2025, 11:35:31 pm
Fantastic win and absolutely credit to Haynes and McG today, I’ve been a huge critic but they were both fantastic today.
Think Ollie works so hard and brilliant to see repeat efforts from all other players throughout the game. Nice to see H do well and happy for Durds for doing well.
Yes Carroll had a few shockers but thought he, White and Lord were quite good and settled when needed at their age and experience level:
Huge day and what a goal by George, just love him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 28, 2025, 07:20:28 am
Voting this week is going to be interesting, as a lot of guys really stood up under pressure today: Sam Walsh's first half was brilliant. He tired somewhat, but still ended with 30 possessions. 2 tackles, 2 clearances, clearly BOG in the first half. Patrick Cripps: what a game he played! 29 possessions, 9 tackles and 8 clearances. And the times he got the ball and held it in under pressure. H: 19 disposals and 12 marks to go with his 3 goals. He really was more than just good, he took great marks when it mattered. Tom: won his ruck duel, 20 possessions, 39 taps, 5 clearances and 1 goal. Apart from a couple of awful kicks, he had a pretty good day. Nick Haynes: 13 marks, 8 of those interceptions! A totally different player to the disaster who lost us Rd 1. He had a good matchup and he really dominated. Mitch McGovern: 20 disposals and 7 marks, tackles at the right time, interceptions and spoils: one of his best ever games. Ollie Hollands and Elijah Hollands: they also had days to remember.
I could go on. It is going to be very difficult to give votes, as we had winners everywhere.
A strange game indeed to vote on. For example someone like Motlop who didn't trouble the statisticians seemed to be everywhere and impacting (to my eye at least). I thought Walsh was clearly the best player on the the ground all day, Cripps didn't stand out as much to me.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: shawny on April 28, 2025, 10:55:48 am
One positive to whats been a pretty disappointing season so far is our midfield seems more balanced and less reliant on Cripps which is a great thing.
Despite having to let Kennedy go we finally have depth now and we are getting an even spread. I would say Cripps would be behind Hewitt, Cerra and even probably Walsh in the B&F to this point which is a massive positive.
Jack has found his home in defence and looks like a bloke who loves the challenge to play on the games best and is unfazed
Still think Charlie's output doesn't match his reputation. Everyone in the media go so over the top every goal he kicks mark he takes due to his energy and just the way he is exciting to watch but Harry on the other hand is a hard honest worker who is a bit unvalued IMO and his overall game is vital to us beating the best teams - He takes big late game team settling contested marks which is massive when the pressure is on, works s hard late up the ground. Charlie gets the most attention and as a result frees up others but think we underestimate Harrys importance when fit in big moments.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Professer E on April 28, 2025, 02:32:49 pm
Bit rich Geelong types bleating about umpiring - just rewatched the first half and let's just say a few things stood out (1) Dangerfield IS umpired differently (and very bloody leniently) (2) Sam de Konig throws the ball every time (3) the Cats are very good at delaying after a contest so they can structure up in defence and (4) the Cats are very, very good at making you "earn it" in marking contests etc. A lot of very late stuff, chopping, interference etc. so cut out the bleating, you get very leniently treated Cats.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: dodge on April 28, 2025, 02:53:18 pm
Against WC, they were able to start moving the ball with a bit of confidence, but (by reports) still quite sloppy. Against North, they were a lot more ruthless and used the confidence from the WC win. Yesterday, they built again.
It was a great performance with so many doing well - and many team oriented acts for the entirety of the game.
The first few games we spent more petrol tickets early due to our inefficiency. We seemed to be much better yesterday.
What I hated was the Foxtel commentators reminding us that we 'only' beat North & WC - with a very strong implication we were going to get run over.
Free kick count apparently was 12-2 to us in the 2nd half. Cats kicked a lot OOF - apart from re-watching, is there a way to find out how many?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on April 28, 2025, 02:58:17 pm
Some of my takeaways from the game:
We match up very well with Geelong and the bloke many commentators believe is the best game day coach struggles against our bloke. We've won three out of our last four.
Weitering on one leg is still one of the best key defenders in the business.
Jack Silvagni's move to defence is a masterstroke. Hopefully his cracked knuckle won't keep him out too long.
Nick Haynes built his game around intercept marking and we finally got to see how much of an impact he can have when he's on.
The mystery around Corey Durdin's contract extension has been exposed; the boy can play! The energy and defensive pressure that Durds, Motlop, White, Fogarty, Lij Hollands and Williams have brought to our forward line is the perfect complement for Charlie and Harry.
Charlie is building nicely and should be hitting his peak in the next game or two. Harry was outstanding, considering his fractured cheekbone. The marking power he gives us up the ground is game changing.
We may have won more free kicks but Geelong got some very soft decisions and some very dodgy non-decisions, particularly for delaying play. It seemed like they have been schooled in what you can get away with.
Our midfield has been a strength all season but it was outstanding yesterday with Crippa getting close to playing his best footy.
I thought Bailey Smith was a bit of a tosser when he was at the Bulldogs but I think he's worse now ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 28, 2025, 03:11:33 pm
Against WC, they were able to start moving the ball with a bit of confidence, but (by reports) still quite sloppy. Against North, they were a lot more ruthless and used the confidence from the WC win. Yesterday, they built again.
It was a great performance with so many doing well - and many team oriented acts for the entirety of the game.
The first few games we spent more petrol tickets early due to our inefficiency. We seemed to be much better yesterday.
What I hated was the Foxtel commentators reminding us that we 'only' beat North & WC - with a very strong implication we were going to get run over.
Free kick count apparently was 12-2 to us in the 2nd half. Cats kicked a lot OOF - apart from re-watching, is there a way to find out how many?
OOTF stats are hard to find
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pew2 on April 28, 2025, 03:20:33 pm
happy with the win but we still seem to kick straight to the opposition and for us to take the next step we have to be better and Hollands E ,like to see him fitter and stronger to really go to another level.( i am not a fan of EH,but i hope he proves me wrong )
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: laj on April 28, 2025, 04:30:17 pm
Against WC, they were able to start moving the ball with a bit of confidence, but (by reports) still quite sloppy. Against North, they were a lot more ruthless and used the confidence from the WC win. Yesterday, they built again.
It was a great performance with so many doing well - and many team oriented acts for the entirety of the game.
The first few games we spent more petrol tickets early due to our inefficiency. We seemed to be much better yesterday.
What I hated was the Foxtel commentators reminding us that we 'only' beat North & WC - with a very strong implication we were going to get run over.
Free kick count apparently was 12-2 to us in the 2nd half. Cats kicked a lot OOF - apart from re-watching, is there a way to find out how many?
OOF stats aren't counted in the free kick count from what I gather.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on April 28, 2025, 05:22:52 pm
happy with the win but we still seem to kick straight to the opposition and for us to take the next step we have to be better and Hollands E ,like to see him fitter and stronger to really go to another level.( i am not a fan of EH,but i hope he proves me wrong )
All teams kick straight to the opposition but we did it much less than Geelong; 99 uncontested marks to 61 and 14 marks inside 50 to 9. Disposal efficiency is a bit of a dodgy statistic but we were 76% to Geelong’s 67%.
I think that Lij’s time away from the club has got him a couple of weeks behind most of his teammates, but our forward line seems to work better when he’s out there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 28, 2025, 05:47:39 pm
happy with the win but we still seem to kick straight to the opposition and for us to take the next step we have to be better and Hollands E ,like to see him fitter and stronger to really go to another level.( i am not a fan of EH,but i hope he proves me wrong )
All teams kick straight to the opposition but we did it much less than Geelong; 99 uncontested marks to 61 and 14 marks inside 50 to 9. Disposal efficiency is a bit of a dodgy statistic but we were 76% to Geelong’s 67%.
I think that Lij’s time away from the club has got him a couple of weeks behind most of his teammates, but our forward line seems to work better when he’s out there.
Im a fan of EH and think he is important for the balance of our team and we dont have a replacement for him when he is unavailable. Players who can kicks goals as well as run on the ball have been hard to find over the years and he is one of those laconic types who can look a bit unfit but to me its just lack of hard match fitness and Id be expecting improvement from him each week and hopefully his off field issues are behind him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on April 28, 2025, 06:34:22 pm
So Jack Bowes throws a left at Cerra, Cerra fends him off and Bowes turning his body into the fend off goes down like a buttercup, and Cerra gets a week from the MRO. All the action, force and momentum was coming from Bowes, Cerra just stood his ground and defended himself.
Is this the legacy of Michael "Corruptomatic" Christian in full flight?
It's not Cerra's fault Scott has talked a buttercup into thinking he is Mike Tyson!
See below, Bowes hard at work! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsHBoXfvh-8
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Professer E on April 28, 2025, 06:52:11 pm
Yep, Christian knows who butters his bread. Is Stewart going to get cited for whacking Williams in the ribs? Nup, just F off and do your job in an unbiased manner Michael.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on April 28, 2025, 07:37:02 pm
Bowes should have been fined for poor acting at a minimum.
Time for Harry O’Farrell’s dad to step up!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 28, 2025, 07:53:03 pm
If there was ever a Suspension to appeal its Cerra's. If that's suspendible I'll give the game away for life tomorrow (Navy Blue Goggles removed). Do these muppets use one tiny morsel of a brain cell they might possess and deduce that that's just a silly act that happens dozens of times in match and that the Geel kent milked it for all its worth? Or do they simple apply words on a page which clearly dont match the act? Please tell there is an iota of common sense left in this world we live in. There have been some rubbish MRO decisions in my time but this one rockets to no 1 in sheer stupidity. The AFL commission should fire these imbeciles tomorrow morning. The 18 presidents should walk into AFL house tomorrow morning and tell them if that decision is not overturned we are boycotting all games until it is. Nuffs efarking nuff.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Milhanna13 on April 28, 2025, 07:59:05 pm
My kingdom for a clean lace out fwd50 entry. How many times did we steam forward, look a million bucks, then dribble one to Charlie’s feet, or over his head. Could’ve absolutely toweled them up with some tidying up of the forward entires
Loved the fwd 50 pressure Loved the intercept marking (Haynes, gov, wieters, jsos) Loved the taking the game on thru the middle, and the great hands, including the little handballs out the front of contests, even under pressure Loved Lij Loved Blakers looking to handball more than kicking Loved JSos kicking Loved fog, durds, white, mots Loved Walshy making those media types writing him off, without a pre season, look silly Loved TDKs run, fight and pressure Loved what could be when Charlie, H, walshy, Crippa are all properly match fit
Gotta admit, watching again tonight, there were a couple of times, at the start of the 3rd and 4th qs, where I was worried we were going to lose the replay!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 28, 2025, 08:07:50 pm
My kingdom for a clean lace out fwd50 entry. How many times did we steam forward, look a million bucks, then dribble one to Charlie’s feet, or over his head. Could’ve absolutely toweled them up with some tidying up of the forward entires
Charlie himself was guilty of a pass to a leading Harry's ankles in the first qtr.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Professer E on April 28, 2025, 08:18:43 pm
Is it just me, maybe it's the number, but the languud, laconic gait makes Haynes remind me of the Spook, David Rys-Jones. Even the kicking style is similar. Elite spoiling and intercept marking but gees his kicking in the first half was awful (but he wasn't on the line stranger(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Milhanna13 on April 28, 2025, 08:39:08 pm
My kingdom for a clean lace out fwd50 entry. How many times did we steam forward, look a million bucks, then dribble one to Charlie’s feet, or over his head. Could’ve absolutely toweled them up with some tidying up of the forward entires
Loved the fwd 50 pressure Loved the intercept marking (Haynes, gov, wieters, jsos) Loved the taking the game on thru the middle, and the great hands, including the little handballs out the front of contests, even under pressure Loved Lij Loved Blakers looking to handball more than kicking Loved JSos kicking Loved fog, durds, white, mots Loved Walshy making those media types writing him off, without a pre season, look silly Loved TDKs run, fight and pressure Loved what could be when Charlie, H, walshy, Crippa are all properly match fit
Gotta admit, watching again tonight, there were a couple of times, at the start of the 3rd and 4th qs, where I was worried we were going to lose the replay!
Oh and loved Hs last quarter
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Milhanna13 on April 28, 2025, 08:53:45 pm
One positive to whats been a pretty disappointing season so far is our midfield seems more balanced and less reliant on Cripps which is a great thing.
Despite having to let Kennedy go we finally have depth now and we are getting an even spread. I would say Cripps would be behind Hewitt, Cerra and even probably Walsh in the B&F to this point which is a massive positive.
Jack has found his home in defence and looks like a bloke who loves the challenge to play on the games best and is unfazed
Still think Charlie's output doesn't match his reputation. Everyone in the media go so over the top every goal he kicks mark he takes due to his energy and just the way he is exciting to watch but Harry on the other hand is a hard honest worker who is a bit unvalued IMO and his overall game is vital to us beating the best teams - He takes big late game team settling contested marks which is massive when the pressure is on, works s hard late up the ground. Charlie gets the most attention and as a result frees up others but think we underestimate Harrys importance when fit in big moments.
It makes the offseason journo comments (every fckn yr) “they should trade harry for some mediocre midfielder” all the more ridiculous. Just because he doesn’t kick a many goals as he did when he won the Coleman doesn’t mean H isn’t ridiculously valuable when he is on song
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LoveNavy on April 28, 2025, 08:53:50 pm
Watched the replay. Here's what strikes me most:
- we came to play and it mattered - teamwork building nicely - defence unity improving - we trust each other - disposal and goalkicking need more work - we hunted for the bulk of each q - we repeatedly rose when the inevitable challenges came - youngsters coming along nicely - Dflog is a protected flog - Cats delay tactics after a free needs exposing more - pudding face hates losing. His "vanilla" pressers reflect their vanilla performance against a much lower side - we were tougher, stronger, and better for longer. Much longer - we didn’t take their s&>t. Weiters dumping Dflog on his ar%e is one for the ages - all players can and have improved. Just check out George 😯 - we have the best fans (keep it that way)
Despite all the positives, we have some ways to go. Crows are our achilles heel, especially at home. Litmus test incoming
Go Blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on April 28, 2025, 09:27:41 pm
Stewart’s hit on Zac Williams was harder than Cerra’s tap, did more damage, and had the potential to cause serious injury (as per Jack Silvagni’s bruised lungs). Surely Christian didn’t buy that it was just a tackle.
If Cerra’s tap is worth a week’s suspension, Stewart should get at least two weeks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 29, 2025, 10:20:04 am
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options. These are the little things I noticed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on April 29, 2025, 11:23:53 am
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options. These are the little things I noticed.
My appreciation of David King's analyses varies considerably but I think that he was on to something when he said that we were one handball short of winning our previous games. That's one extra handball in each chain of possession and I think that we got there on Sunday. We are dangerous and hard to stop when we run in waves and use forward handballs to give the ball carrier room and time to get an effective disposal.
One thing I've been meaning to comment on was how Sam De Koning saw the funny side of the smallest bloke on the field using him as a step ladder. Corey has taken a couple of nice grabs now and will have his opponents thinking about his marking and not just his leading, crumbing and defensive work.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 29, 2025, 11:56:54 am
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options. These are the little things I noticed.
My appreciation of David King's analyses varies considerably but I think that he was on to something when he said that we were one handball short of winning our previous games. That's one extra handball in each chain of possession and I think that we got there on Sunday. We are dangerous and hard to stop when we run in waves and use forward handballs to give the ball carrier room and time to get an effective disposal.
One thing I've been meaning to comment on was how Sam De Koning saw the funny side of the smallest bloke on the field using him as a step ladder. Corey has taken a couple of nice grabs now and will have his opponents thinking about his marking and not just his leading, crumbing and defensive work.
King for mine is a very good analyst, right up there alongside the best. I definitely think we handballed too much to stationary players in the first few weeks which teams cottoned onto use it to their advantage (ie tackled and stopped us in our tracks). I guess we practiced wave running and receiving (no disrespect intended) against WC and NM and applied it against a good side on Sunday. Make no mistake, our kicking lets us down and we need to recruit some elite ball users by foot. The run and HB somewhat covers for that deficiency by as you say, giving the person on the end of the chain more time to execute a good, more measure kick. It also compensates for the lack of real break away leg speed by putting our blokes ahead of the chaser quickly. If you look at some of the kicks into the F50, many were poor and if we tidied that up, we would have one by plenty (yeah I know, grandmother/balls/grandfather).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on April 29, 2025, 02:26:16 pm
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options. These are the little things I noticed.
I may be getting my wires crossed, but i believe it was an Adam Simpson interview that said he couldn't work out how the cats always got an extra number behind the ball and basically gave up on trying to work it out. Crediting Scott as a coaching genius.
Fast forward to our game, commentators stated something along the lines of cats are giving up on their +1 and moving the extra into the contest.
Now to me, that says vossy and co outsmarted a coaching genius by forcing them to change from what was a successful game plan.
Now how did we do that? Exactly as described here. Running, handballing, linking up.
The +1 always sits a kick behind the play. So if you want to avoid the mismatch, run at him with linking handballs (which is faster than he can run back) and kick it over his head.
You take them out of the game as the ball movement is quicker than the +1 movement.
Credit to our coaching panel.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Milhanna13 on April 29, 2025, 03:02:03 pm
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options. These are the little things I noticed.
Seemed to be able to thread handballs out the front of the contest, to a teammates advantage a lot of the time. Not backwards to someone standing still or to someone under the hamme
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: laj on April 29, 2025, 03:22:25 pm
Seemed to be able to thread handballs out the front of the contest, to a teammates advantage a lot of the time. Not backwards to someone standing still or to someone under the hamme
Exactly Mil, I was impressed I have to say.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 29, 2025, 08:06:17 pm
My appreciation of David King's analyses varies considerably but I think that he was on to something when he said that we were one handball short of winning our previous games. That's one extra handball in each chain of possession and I think that we got there on Sunday. We are dangerous and hard to stop when we run in waves and use forward handballs to give the ball carrier room and time to get an effective disposal.
One thing I've been meaning to comment on was how Sam De Koning saw the funny side of the smallest bloke on the field using him as a step ladder. Corey has taken a couple of nice grabs now and will have his opponents thinking about his marking and not just his leading, crumbing and defensive work.
King for mine is a very good analyst, right up there alongside the best. I definitely think we handballed too much to stationary players in the first few weeks which teams cottoned onto use it to their advantage (ie tackled and stopped us in our tracks). I guess we practiced wave running and receiving (no disrespect intended) against WC and NM and applied it against a good side on Sunday. Make no mistake, our kicking lets us down and we need to recruit some elite ball users by foot. The run and HB somewhat covers for that deficiency by as you say, giving the person on the end of the chain more time to execute a good, more measure kick. It also compensates for the lack of real break away leg speed by putting our blokes ahead of the chaser quickly. If you look at some of the kicks into the F50, many were poor and if we tidied that up, we would have one by plenty (yeah I know, grandmother/balls/grandfather).
Same page here, GTC old son.
King seems to actually think things through, not just take situations at face value... and he was right about us, but it was pretty apparent in our first 4 outings - defensively strong (great foundation), but offensive game was soft when confronted with real pressure... handballing to witches hats, panicked sky-high disposals into forward 50, etc.
It was great that the Pussycats hit us with real, quality, sustained pressure -- especially at the beginning of the 3rd and 4th qtrs -- forcing us to 'face our demons' and we responded in the best way possible... and that's the road to being mentally tougher, offensively as well as defensively.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on April 30, 2025, 01:01:58 pm
King for mine is a very good analyst, right up there alongside the best. I definitely think we handballed too much to stationary players in the first few weeks which teams cottoned onto use it to their advantage (ie tackled and stopped us in our tracks). I guess we practiced wave running and receiving (no disrespect intended) against WC and NM and applied it against a good side on Sunday. Make no mistake, our kicking lets us down and we need to recruit some elite ball users by foot. The run and HB somewhat covers for that deficiency by as you say, giving the person on the end of the chain more time to execute a good, more measure kick. It also compensates for the lack of real break away leg speed by putting our blokes ahead of the chaser quickly. If you look at some of the kicks into the F50, many were poor and if we tidied that up, we would have one by plenty (yeah I know, grandmother/balls/grandfather).
Same page here, GTC old son.
King seems to actually think things through, not just take situations at face value... and he was right about us, but it was pretty apparent in our first 4 outings - defensively strong (great foundation), but offensive game was soft when confronted with real pressure... handballing to witches hats, panicked sky-high disposals into forward 50, etc.
It was great that the Pussycats hit us with real, quality, sustained pressure -- especially at the beginning of the 3rd and 4th qtrs -- forcing us to 'face our demons' and we responded in the best way possible... and that's the road to being mentally tougher, offensively as well as defensively.
King CAN put together a very much well thought out pressentation into a deep dive of a particular club / player / trend. However, there are also times where he gets players names wrong, positions wrong and abilities wrong.
This, IMHO, is all down to the pressure of coming up with something new each and every week for TV shows/radio etc. Sometimes there isn't anything 'huge' to report on, but you don't say that, you throw together 10 seconds of vision and spit out an explanation that will get the most people talking. Calling for Cerra to be moved to half back to essentially help our kicking out of defence is an example of the latter.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 30, 2025, 05:16:36 pm
This from Daniel Hoyne who I also really like: From Daniel Hoyne of Champion Date and SEN
Daniel Hoyne: “With Carlton first. So I think when you've got a defensive profile like Carlton has had for the whole seven weeks, this isn't just three weeks, this is seven weeks when you've got a defensive profile like they have, things can turn and they can turn quickly.
So right now without the footy, they are number one in the competition. To put that into perspective, over the last 10 years, the team that has finished number one without the footy eight of those 10 years, they've gone on to make at least a Prelim Final.
8 of the 10 years are going to make a prelim. And this watching what they did against an offensive team like Geelong who have been at times this year brilliant offensively, they absolutely dismantled them with what they, how they were able to shut them down spend especially off the back of intercept.
So Geelong started with the footy 66 times from intercept. Take out that Tom De Koning howler in the, in the back 50 where he coughed up to Mark O'Connor 65 other times they turned the footy over Carlton for two goals going back the other way. It was phenomenal with what they were able to do.
And I just want to give Jack Silvagni a bit of a bit more credit than probably I know he's getting some plaudits but giving the polish. What he does with ball in hand, if you're Carlton, I know you're going to miss him for a couple of weeks.
What he does with ball in hand, no other key defender in the competition does no other key defender in the competition impacts the game more through ball use than what this guy does. His ability to be able to pull the trigger is Jeremy McGovern like just, I know that might sound a bit ridiculous, but his ability to be able to see a corridor target and go for it is so impressive.
With what he's able to do both right foot and left foot. Hats off to him. [He] wouldn't be in the All Australian team right now. But he's doing a lot right. There's a lot of other good key defenders in the company moving on.”
When you combine this with Fox's "Premiership Window" where 19 of the last 20 premiers have been in (ie top 6 for both offence and defence), we are in the top 6 defensively, we just need to move to the top 6 for offence and we lie in it (I think we are currently 8th maybe??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Lods on April 30, 2025, 05:26:58 pm
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on April 30, 2025, 06:31:58 pm
I’ve watched it a couple of times and it’s great viewing. The investment and cohesion of the players, coaches (including Newey) and fitness staff is inspiring.
Of course, it’s all scripted and everyone is just repeating the lines they’ve been taught 😇
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on April 30, 2025, 06:50:25 pm
I was giving a bit to my mad geelong friend.
She lost it and said it was all the umpires. Didn't take it very well at all.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Lods on April 30, 2025, 06:52:10 pm
I'm guessing Newman was just relaying instructions from upstairs, but there was probably a bit of 'him' as well. Good to see him involved and helping organise.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Lods on April 30, 2025, 06:54:35 pm
She lost it and said it was all the umpires. Didn't take it very well at all.
They were going off on the Geelong board on BigFooty about the umpiring. They're a bit slow on the 'credit' ...like their coach.
They can sook and blame all they like, we beat them in the majority of the key stats areas and led for 100mins (they led for 15mins in the first).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: cookie2 on April 30, 2025, 07:02:40 pm
We won and we always looked like we would win. Suck it up Pussycats!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on April 30, 2025, 07:17:24 pm
I pointed out that if she didn't want so many free kicks against, perhaps teach her players to kick the ball inside the white lines.
Not sure how many OOTF there was, but they count towards the free kick count i believe.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on May 01, 2025, 10:36:09 am
An interesting observation from the bench cam footage.
Charlie had moved himself into defence late in the last quarter. Carroll was on the bench and Greaves instructed him to go back on, tell Charlie to go back to the forward line, and ensure that all seven defenders were in defence.
While Charlie’s ability to go back and pluck a mark in defence has been game saving, our priority was to have the seven defenders working together as a unit and as they have been drilled.
It’s interesting that Aaron Greaves is the bench coach now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 01, 2025, 11:28:47 am
An interesting observation from the bench cam footage.
Charlie had moved himself into defence late in the last quarter. Carroll was on the bench and Greaves instructed him to go back on, tell Charlie to go back to the forward line, and ensure that all seven defenders were in defence.
While Charlie’s ability to go back and pluck a mark in defence has been game saving, our priority was to have the seven defenders working together as a unit and as they have been drilled.
It’s interesting that Aaron Greaves is the bench coach now.
I think he has been in the bench for some time now, Voss has been alternating btw Coaches box and bench.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on May 01, 2025, 12:36:05 pm
An interesting observation from the bench cam footage.
Charlie had moved himself into defence late in the last quarter. Carroll was on the bench and Greaves instructed him to go back on, tell Charlie to go back to the forward line, and ensure that all seven defenders were in defence.
While Charlie’s ability to go back and pluck a mark in defence has been game saving, our priority was to have the seven defenders working together as a unit and as they have been drilled.
It’s interesting that Aaron Greaves is the bench coach now.
Another side of that same story.
There was on the ground footage of weitering and charlie chatting on the ground (may have been after the siren?) As best as i can tell from the footage, it looked like Weitering was telling charlie to get out of there and push up the ground. Charlie was giving him a shrug of the shoulders look as in "but i'm just trying to help".
I noted that at the time, without any of the above, which basically confirms what i picked up from the gesticulating on TV.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on May 01, 2025, 03:04:23 pm
An interesting observation from the bench cam footage.
Charlie had moved himself into defence late in the last quarter. Carroll was on the bench and Greaves instructed him to go back on, tell Charlie to go back to the forward line, and ensure that all seven defenders were in defence.
While Charlie’s ability to go back and pluck a mark in defence has been game saving, our priority was to have the seven defenders working together as a unit and as they have been drilled.
It’s interesting that Aaron Greaves is the bench coach now.
Another side of that same story.
There was on the ground footage of weitering and charlie chatting on the ground (may have been after the siren?) As best as i can tell from the footage, it looked like Weitering was telling charlie to get out of there and push up the ground. Charlie was giving him a shrug of the shoulders look as in "but i'm just trying to help".
I noted that at the time, without any of the above, which basically confirms what i picked up from the gesticulating on TV.
Was behind the goals on level 2 city end of the ground.
Weitering late in the second was jumping up and down waiving his hands in the air to bring Charlie back into defense for the remaining few mins.
Besides that, happy with what they are doing to change things up. I think a few mins of swinging Charlie back is warranted at times, if nothing else to keep the opposition guessing. Do they hold the line?
Do they push a number forward (the second they do, we can tell Charlie to run off, creating a situation where they might have been happier having a loose man behind the ball).
Its good stuff, and im neither here nor there. A goal resets everything due to the 6.6.6 rules.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on May 01, 2025, 03:26:13 pm
Was behind the goals on level 2 city end of the ground.
Weitering late in the second was jumping up and down waiving his hands in the air to bring Charlie back into defense for the remaining few mins.
Besides that, happy with what they are doing to change things up. I think a few mins of swinging Charlie back is warranted at times, if nothing else to keep the opposition guessing. Do they hold the line?
Do they push a number forward (the second they do, we can tell Charlie to run off, creating a situation where they might have been happier having a loose man behind the ball).
Its good stuff, and im neither here nor there. A goal resets everything due to the 6.6.6 rules.
As I understand it, Charlie is free to help out in defence whenever he likes. Even if he's not taking intercept marks, his presence in the defensive 50 will make the opposition unsure of their delivery inside 50; do they kick it to Cameron if Charlie has the sit on him?
While "Charlie to the backline" is a spontaneous move, the seven defenders all in the backline together must be a practised scenario. As you say, one of them has to make up one of the other sixes if there's a goal, and that has to be planned, not random.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: hanwell on May 01, 2025, 07:31:31 pm
At the 20 minute mark of the last quarter both Weiters and McGov were waving their arms and yelling out to Charlie to come back, even the crowd around me, level one Carltonians Bay joined in calling out for Charlie, he duly came back. So Charlie doesn't decide, he's called back by Weiters, we were there we saw it
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on May 01, 2025, 07:43:43 pm
At the 20 minute mark of the last quarter both Weiters and McGov were waving their arms and yelling out to Charlie to come back, even the crowd around me, level one Carltonians Bay joined in calling out for Charlie, he duly came back. So Charlie doesn't decide, he's called back by Weiters, we were there we saw it
Charlie may get a call to go into defence but Vossy has stated that Charlie can and does decide if and when he should go into defence.
The coaches didn’t want Charlie in defence in the last quarter and sent him back to the forward line.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: hanwell on May 01, 2025, 07:52:27 pm
Yeah but my point is that the defence desperately wanted him down there, this was after George's goal, Charlie came straight back so I don't think you can 100% say who's decision it was other than Charlie answering the call. Was really interesting.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on May 01, 2025, 10:17:03 pm
What you mean we aren't going to come out and say that it's a set play that we bring Charlie back and he just works his way through it?
We aren't going to telegraph our tactics.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Lods on May 01, 2025, 11:37:37 pm
Weitering's a 'general' back there. We saw that when he was miked up for a game a year or two back. He was telling players like Doc and Walsh where to go.
Voss has stated that Charlie can choose when to go back. But if Weitering sees a need at a certain time he probably has a right to give "Charlie's choice" the call. If the coaches disagree they can always send him back to where he came from.