We play Coburg on Sunday at 13:05 at Coburg.
Again, we probably won't be favourites; Coburg has been good this year.
We won't have at least 2 of our senior emergencies: we have taken at least 2 to all interstate games in recent times.
It’s the Vicki Cleary Day match and I hope there’s a good crowd.
I knew Vicki and her death was a tragedy exacerbated by a failure of our justice system.
Well done to Coburg for their ongoing support for this very worthwhile cause, but there’s no room for sentiment on the footy field so go Blues!
Our lineup for Sunday:
CARLTON
B: H. O'Farrell (22), E. Phillips (55), C. Vickery (59)
HB: H. Charleson (28), J. Boyd (37), R. Monahan (34)
C: J. Binns (25), B. Wilson (35), L. Camporeale (21)
HF: A. Moir (43), H. Ramshaw (51), L. Nelson (57)
F: H. Lemmey (31), H. O'Keeffe (40), L. McMahon (52)
R: M. Pittonet (27), B. Camporeale (16), F. Evans (44)
Int: A. Stevens (77), K. Ferronato (50), O. Poole (75), D. Harvey (73), D. Hogg (70)
23rd Player: O. Poole (75)
Em: C. Hamilton (80), O. Badr (62), S. Phipps-Parsons (69), F. Riley (56), T. Logan (68), P. Dozzi (53), M. Lewis (58), D. Grainger-Barras (61)
IN: K. Ferronato, D. Harvey
OUT: L. Cowan, S. Docherty (AFL)
We will probably travel all 3 senior emergencies, but with the game on Sunday, they may all play. Then again, they may not.
Hence, the long list of emergencies named here. Nice to see you Flynn Riley there, if we need him. Also, interesting to see DGB.
COBURG
B: L. Walker (25), D. Kalpakis (38), I. Dammersmith (15)
HB: L. Serong (17), D. Toohey (33), B. Gillard (11)
C: M. Kennedy (24), S. Mason (8), H. Bromell (5)
HF: M. Thompson (42), J. Le Froy (30), J. D'Intinosante (7)
F: M. Allison (23), R. Valentine (3), M. Podhajski (10)
R: C. Keogh (29), J. Trudgeon (18), F. Gentile (4)
INT: J. Andrew (40), D. Payman (32), R. Galvin (37), J. Tomasiello (21), J. Gillard (35)
EMG: L. Podhajski (14), D. Wilmore (28), L. McArthur (29), D. Cameron (43), B. Major (36), W. Bella (16), C. Ernst (27)
IN: D. Payman
OUT: J. Bytel (hamstring)
Interesting to see Lefroy and Trudgeon, 2 former Blues named for Coburg.
Alas, Hayes has been in Hong Kong with his racing commitments. That is why he was unavailable last week. I was hoping he'd be back, but ...
Was hoping Cincotta was going to return for this game.
Yea, Cincotta can't be anywhere near fit.
Was hoping the Campo kid have a good game, lord knows we need some runners. I'm concerned about reports about their disposal, doesn't auger well.
Need to be a competitor and Campo kids need alot of work but competitiveness is not something they are lacking.
Jack Crisp was Pick 40 in the rookie draft due to his kicking Paddy Cripps in his draft year his kicking was called average and Matt Crouch was the better player. Kicking can be improved with hard work but natural competitiveness is an intangible.
I want to see more of Flynn Riley....possible pick-up
Pittonet keeping him out of the side.
Pitto needs to be promoted. ;)
Agreed. We need to be auditioning for the MSD
O'Farrell just took a great mark...
Then kicked backwards missed the target and Coburg kicked a goal.
The kid has talent, needs to work on his decision making
Coburg all over us at the moment
Can't get our hands on the ball. Statistics are awful.
Looks pretty windy out there.
Some basic errors from both sides.
25-10 their way at the moment.
Looks like we have the wind
We really don't have a lot of idea. We have the wind and ...
Big mark by O'Keefe after a good kick from Ben C.
Monahan makes some mistake, but he has really improved in the last couple of weeks.
Evans can't hit the side of a barn when kicking for goal. Nor is he alone. Our kicking for goal is rubbish!
Carlton 2 - 7 -19
Coburg 4 - 3 - 27
The last half of the quarter wasn't bad, except for the forward play. No idea how to hit a forward.
Coburg have the 6 highest possession winners at this point, 9 of the top 11. We can't keep our hands on the ball.
Pittonet and O'Keefe have both of our goals.
No intensity! Where is the effort!?
O'Keefe playing well around the ground and already has three goals.
Our ruckmen have all our goals :D
(Always play two ruckmen, you won't go wrong) :D
OKeefe v Coburg
Think Id be giving Okeefe a game next week in the seniors...Saints are small down back and we need some options when TDK is having an off game.
Lucas Camporeale on the last line of defence is not a great idea. :))
No major damage but a couple of nervous moments.
I think he'll probably get a game sooner rather than later...but after DeKonings effort yeterday,they will more likely try to bolster the side with the more effective tap ruckman in Pittonet.
TDK, Charlie and Harry will test them out...as long as we can get it to them.
So Half-time and Coburg lead 54-37.
Boyd (16) Binns (15) are our top possession winners.
Most of the team stats are fairly even...only one or two difference in the stoppages.
Coburg ruck Keogh in a bit of trouble with what looks like a foot injury.
Ruck contests have been fairly even up to now.
Frankie Evans isn't having a bad game but has been inaccurate with his goal kicking.
He just missed another snap. That's 0-4
O Keefe now spending a bit more time in the ruck now and going quite well.
ASt one stage around 1/2 time it was...
Pitto 9 O'Keefe 1 for the hitouts
It's now Pitto 16 O'Keefe 12.
Blues hit the front for a brief period but Coburg back in the lead close to 3/4 time
Carlton 5 points in front at 3/4 time 65-60
Binns our leading possession winner on 20
Evans is playing a fair game (apart from his goal kicking).
He leads our score involvements with 8.
O'Keefe and McMahon both have 3.
I'm guessing that if we don't pick him up in the MSD then he'll only play half a season with us.
Coburg have the wind...and now the lead.
Coburg out to 13 point lead nearly 10 minutes into the last.
Ben Camporeale copped a big hit....may not come back.
Stayed down for quite a while.
Problem is with no replays it's hard to know the exact injury or it's extent.
McMahon is a good converter, his kicking for goal is better than most on our list, be a shame to see him at Essendon or similar.
Ben's back on so no major damage
Score?
94-78 their way
seconds to go I reckon (31 minutes into the quarter)
They've hit the ton- 100-78
All over
Coburg 15-10-100 v Carlton 11-12-78
Disposals
Binns 28
Boyd 25
Goals
O'Keefe 3
McMahon 3
HitOuts
Pittonet 34
O'Keefe 14
Apart from Okeefe I couldnt get excited about too much from our listed players, Pittonet battled hard, Binns got a bit of ball after half time and was ok but the Campo's were quiet and when they did get the footy were a bit uncomfortable when under pressure.
Wilson used the ball ok in the first half and gives a bit of run but is only VFL standard, the player who may come under consideration is Evans who won the ball ok but couldnt hit the scoreboard and finish his work. I wouldnt select him but given the Crows torched us around the packs and our small forwards were AWOL he may get a call up.
Lemmey and Moir were like witches hats....the latter looks like he has zero interest in football and Lemmey just spends too much time unable to get near the ball and is pushed aside by smaller players in contests.
Id be playing Lemmey down back in the VFL in the second half of the season as a last resort to see if he can make it and Moir would be delist material.
Boyd was ok in patches but makes costly errors and his kicking has fallen away and he looks lacking in confidence and wants to fight his opponents rather than beat them with his skills...
6 of the top 7 possession getters were Coburg players, and 9 of the top 12. That is just not good enough! Not enough pressure, not enough run, not enough effort, not enough desire!
Lemmey: 5 possessions! Not good enough!
Ashton Moir: 7 possessions and not a single score! Not good enough!
That sort of effort is just not acceptable at this level.
We had a lot of players down today. O'Keefe was the only one to do something of note.
Agree with all of the above 2.
No-one really putting their hands up apart from the two ruckman
Just a slight defence of Lemmey.
On at least two occasions he was clear, in good position, not a great distance from goal...and he was ignored.
With Pittonet, O'Keefe, McMahon...and Lemmey all up forward at different times (and sometimes the same time) it was probably a bit top heavy.
I'd also like to see Lemmey given an 'extended' run as key defender.
If nothing else it would be a good learning experience.
It will be interesting to see which way we go if they decide to go with two rucks next week.
It may even be worth naming O'Keefe as one of the emergencies just to let him (and others) know he's getting closer....but I'm sure they'll be letting him know he had a good game anyway.
Moir is taking the p1ss. We've been burned by so many half forwards I'm tempted to not draft one again.
So far Moir has been pretty underwhelming.
The kid is still only 19 so there is time...
Did he have an injury during the off-season?
I don't recall.
If not,the concern is that with a full pre-season under his belt there seems to have been little progress, especially in terms of fitness.
He's struggling to have an impact at VFL level.
You would wonder whether this is still an accurate article still.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1699011/moir-this-is-what-im-meant-to-do
The small forwards didn’t get much attention in the 1’s either.
I cant get excited about the reserves when they cant beat Coburg. I dont care how many possessions, goals or HOs players get. We need wins but like with the seniors, the club seems to "accept" little pieces of good information amongst a train wreck and loses sight of the big picture. IMO a strong performing VFL side is critical to the success of the seniors. Until we fix that, we will experience year after year of roller coasters and pain. There is no depth there pushing up for a game.
We probably need to take into account to some extent when assessing the performances of some of the younger players in our VFL team that they are in many cases playing against mature battle hardened players, many with a lot of senior AFL experience under their belts.
It may be even more the case with stand alone VFL clubs...who aren't developing youngsters of their own.
But yes, we certainly need to see more pressure from below on some of our senior fringe players.
I'd like to win every game but it's about development... building tanks, building bodies, building craft. If they train in a dedicated and professional manner there is a spot in the top 30-35 on the list for them by 21 y.o. If they can't get a spot in top 30-35 on the list after 3-4 pre seasons then its time to move them on.
Is it just me but do we have zero centre square players left in our list in the twos? Any injuries to our mids and we're down to what, the Campo twins and .... ?
Hudson O'Keefe looked good in the highlights, rucking and marking well. Has put on a bit of size. Continued improvement and he might be looking at a main list slot.
Yep zero backup in the coalface centre square......Ben Campo didnt get near it vs the Coburg and his kicking is barely VFL standard especially over a distance. They have been using Evans on the ball and we have Cincotta missing who is probably our spare for Hewett if he got injured and we wanted a run with player.
Jagga Smith of course is a mid in training but isnt big bodied and we dont want him smashed up having to do coalface work.
Imho we need that Jai Newcombe or Shaun Mannagh type in the mid season draft who you can play straight away and share the workload with your stars as well as provide a couple of goals and id also look for that 191-195cm pacy rangy type of utility that a few clubs seem to have who can take a mark but also run the ball and is a good kick.
Weddle from Hawthorn, and the three from the Crows(Worrall, Michalanny and Curtain) are examples of players who can play a few roles and are that modern type of player. OFarrell hopefully can develop into that type but is very raw at the minute.
Lemmey has done alot more when played in defence. Need to go more down that path.
Harry Dean is now touted a probable first round pick... Dean and OFarrell as young intercepting talls will replace Haynes and McGovern in 2-3 years as tea leaves has it.
Jack Ison and Tyson Gresham are in the Vic Metro squad. Ison has been known to be a top talent for years and Tyson Gresham played well for Vic Metro v Young guns.
Ever since Cook became our CEO his MO is to bring many kids through to the club and it started in the 2022 draft with Hollands, Cowan and Binns... so this philosophy has few years to play out before we see it bearing fruit - meaning 2022 draft class have just completed their third pre season.
One of the decisions behind trading out of the draft I suspect