Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: crashlander on May 03, 2025, 10:01:28 am
Title: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: crashlander on May 03, 2025, 10:01:28 am
Friday 9th May at 19:40 at the MCG against the 'Aints. At least it isn't a Thursday night: I can't realistically get to them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: crashlander on May 04, 2025, 10:10:02 am
Well, St Kilda won by 10 goals and we lost by 10 goals, so it is going to be interesting viewing on Friday night. I don't think we've won a night game this year as yet.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: crashlander on May 06, 2025, 08:40:54 pm
Silvagni is a chance to return, Cottrell has ankle issues and will miss about a month. So, who do we bring in? Pitto was good last week, and Tom doesn't tend to do well against bulls like Marshall. Silvagni coming into defence is a certainty if he is fit enough. Not sure he will be, just a week after hand surgery, but that is another tale. Who replaces Cottrell? Boyd played decently last week. Binns?
Doc has 12 possessions last week and looked well off the pace. Do we replace him? If so, with whom? I would be bringing in Frank the Tank: he might have had a few tackles last week, but he couldn't hit the side of a barn, from inside.
It will be very interesting to see how we line up this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 06, 2025, 08:45:19 pm
Silvagni is a chance to return, Cottrell has ankle issues and will miss about a month. So, who do we bring in? Pitto was good last week, and Tom doesn't tend to do well against bulls like Marshall. Silvagni coming into defence is a certainty if he is fit enough. Not sure he will be, just a week after hand surgery, but that is another tale. Who replaces Cottrell? Boyd played decently last week. Binns?
Doc has 12 possessions last week and looked well off the pace. Do we replace him? If so, with whom? I would be bringing in Frank the Tank: he might have had a few tackles last week, but he couldn't hit the side of a barn, from inside.
It will be very interesting to see how we line up this week.
Might be as simple as as SOS for Young. Coll resting De Goey, Pendlebury, Mihocek and Maynard lol. Imagine what would happen to us if we rested Cripps, Hewett, Saad and Harry or Charlie. We'd get smashed by 120 points.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: kruddler on May 06, 2025, 08:56:17 pm
Silvagni is a chance to return, Cottrell has ankle issues and will miss about a month. So, who do we bring in? Pitto was good last week, and Tom doesn't tend to do well against bulls like Marshall. Silvagni coming into defence is a certainty if he is fit enough. Not sure he will be, just a week after hand surgery, but that is another tale. Who replaces Cottrell? Boyd played decently last week. Binns?
Doc has 12 possessions last week and looked well off the pace. Do we replace him? If so, with whom? I would be bringing in Frank the Tank: he might have had a few tackles last week, but he couldn't hit the side of a barn, from inside.
It will be very interesting to see how we line up this week.
Silvagni has to play. A broken hand can be carried. Tape it into a club if he needs to.
I haven't seen how the 2's have gone recently, but Lucas Campo is who i'd use to replace Cottrell unless his form has been terrible.
Not sure why Boyd is on the naughty list, but i'd bring him in for Docherty or Cowan and use the other as sub.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: northernblue on May 06, 2025, 09:29:56 pm
I’d keep Moo in the team, he’s got it, he just needs some continuity
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Lods on May 06, 2025, 11:14:17 pm
Silvagni is a chance to return, Cottrell has ankle issues and will miss about a month. So, who do we bring in? Pitto was good last week, and Tom doesn't tend to do well against bulls like Marshall. Silvagni coming into defence is a certainty if he is fit enough. Not sure he will be, just a week after hand surgery, but that is another tale. Who replaces Cottrell? Boyd played decently last week. Binns?
Doc has 12 possessions last week and looked well off the pace. Do we replace him? If so, with whom? I would be bringing in Frank the Tank: he might have had a few tackles last week, but he couldn't hit the side of a barn, from inside.
It will be very interesting to see how we line up this week.
Silvagni has to play. A broken hand can be carried. Tape it into a club if he needs to.
I haven't seen how the 2's have gone recently, but Lucas Campo is who i'd use to replace Cottrell unless his form has been terrible.
Not sure why Boyd is on the naughty list, but i'd bring him in for Docherty or Cowan and use the other as sub.
Lucas has been pretty average. His disposal hasn't been great. Same with Ben. They're works in progress. I reckon we should give Binns another crack. I wouldn't be surprised if Evans got a run. He was OK in the VFL.
Boyd seems to be out of favour, so he must be doing something wrong in an area that he's been asked to work on. Will they go with two rucks? Pittonet is match ready. O'Keefe is putting himself forward for selection and can kick a goal.
Hopefully Silvagni is good to go.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: DJC on May 07, 2025, 02:43:04 am
Lucas has been pretty average. His disposal hasn't been great. Same with Ben. They're works in progress. I reckon we should give Binns another crack. I wouldn't be surprised if Evans got a run. He was OK in the VFL.
Boyd seems to be out of favour, so he must be doing something wrong in an area that he's been asked to work on. Will they go with two rucks? Pittonet is match ready. O'Keefe is putting himself forward for selection and can kick a goal.
Hopefully Silvagni is good to go.
Boyd's disposal by foot has been as bad as some of the worst kicks by Doc and McGovern ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2025, 06:58:56 am
Lucas has been pretty average. His disposal hasn't been great. Same with Ben. They're works in progress. I reckon we should give Binns another crack. I wouldn't be surprised if Evans got a run. He was OK in the VFL.
Boyd seems to be out of favour, so he must be doing something wrong in an area that he's been asked to work on. Will they go with two rucks? Pittonet is match ready. O'Keefe is putting himself forward for selection and can kick a goal.
Hopefully Silvagni is good to go.
Boyd's disposal by foot has been as bad as some of the worst kicks by Doc and McGovern ::)
Ill be honest, I have never seen this elite kicking from Boyd that everyone bangs on about. I have never rated him and never will, VFL player at best (like so many on our list).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: LP on May 07, 2025, 07:07:36 am
Ill be honest, I have never seen this elite kicking from Boyd that everyone bangs on about. I have never rated him and never will, VFL player at best (like so many on our list).
His long kicking is / was as good as any on our list, the problem seems to be making decisions when hitting short targets or too often taking the safe option.
Our game plan has changed drastically when we are playing well. I suspect this is the start of the Plan B we've been asking for and that we need desperately, and the longer kicking Plan A variant remains as needed.
It looks to me that quite a few like Boyd and Doc are struggling to adapt play on demand when we switch up tactics during the game, so you get long bombs and b0rked up short kicks that seem out of place relative to the rest of the squad. FWIW, I thought Saad seemed to be struggling earlier in the season with similar issues but has started to settle. You can't mistake the look of hesitancy and doubt they have, they must suppress that instinct they have to hot potato the footy 50m down field.
Charlie looks a little lost at the moment as well, he seems to be getting trapped in no-mans land a lot. When he is in Harry has looked more functional as a KPF and has straightened us up a bit, but isn't clunking them as well as he can at the moment.
I thought one of the things we lost with SoJ out was his footy smarts, he was getting to the right place at the right time and it makes a huge difference. Not surprising, given he grew up watching his old man so it probably makes sense he appears to fit right in even if he isn't comfortable yet, he still knows roughly where to be and when. It might not be what SoJ wants, but I think it's his most suitable role yet.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 07, 2025, 07:21:34 am
Boyd's disposal by foot has been as bad as some of the worst kicks by Doc and McGovern ::)
Ill be honest, I have never seen this elite kicking from Boyd that everyone bangs on about. I have never rated him and never will, VFL player at best (like so many on our list).
His kicking has gone backwards, turned it over vs Coburg and he is also giving away dumb frees by being over aggressive at the wrong time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: tonyo on May 07, 2025, 07:51:23 am
I reckon it's hard to judge how someone will go in the 1's based on VFL form - when you are playing in a VFL-level team with VFL-level teamwork and game plans, it might be that the better players try to bite off more than they can chew.
I certainly think we need more back-half dash, because EVERY SINGLE TIME we let the ball get out the back, the opposition get an easy goal. We have no cover whatsoever. Watching poor old Weiters trying to chase down a half-forward rabbit is becoming far too common.
On that score, I think Boyd needs to play.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2025, 07:59:19 am
I reckon it's hard to judge how someone will go in the 1's based on VFL form - when you are playing in a VFL-level team with VFL-level teamwork and game plans, it might be that the better players try to bite off more than they can chew.
I certainly think we need more back-half dash, because EVERY SINGLE TIME we let the ball get out the back, the opposition get an easy goal. We have no cover whatsoever. Watching poor old Weiters trying to chase down a half-forward rabbit is becoming far too common.
On that score, I think Boyd needs to play.
I doubt that's about dash and more about defensive positioning. It was very poor on the weekend and very good the weeks before. I am hoping that we clean it up for the game this week, SOS is very important to the defensive structure.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Baggers on May 07, 2025, 08:32:03 am
I reckon it's hard to judge how someone will go in the 1's based on VFL form - when you are playing in a VFL-level team with VFL-level teamwork and game plans, it might be that the better players try to bite off more than they can chew.
I certainly think we need more back-half dash, because EVERY SINGLE TIME we let the ball get out the back, the opposition get an easy goal. We have no cover whatsoever. Watching poor old Weiters trying to chase down a half-forward rabbit is becoming far too common.
On that score, I think Boyd needs to play.
How very true, Big T.
It's a fine line, in some respects. There are blokes who just don't show their best until they're under the pressure of senior footy. Then there are blokes who look great at VFL level but just can't seem to reproduce that form at senior level... do they need more time? Or just not up to it.
It seems our focus for the Magoos is development ahead of Ws and Ls. Not sure I agree with this apparent priority and focus. Above all else, most blokes who play our sport seek to be winners and to be a part of a winning culture. Winning, in any competitive sport nourishes and encourages... reward for effort. I wonder how much better people develop in a winning culture than a very individualised development approach?
Perhaps Billy Wilson is a case in point. He arrived full of dash and dare. Has that been nourished and developed? Or has he been given a different focus, more defensive say, that fails to play him to his strengths then develop other aspects along the way?
Have we become so fixated, in the Magoos and at senior level, on this (old fashioned?) contest and pressure that other important aspects of winning (hitting the scoreboard, often) have been neglected?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2025, 07:58:57 pm
According to poster on BF, Charlie hurt his knee at training and is going in for scans. Anyone heard anything similar?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: townsendcalling on May 07, 2025, 08:11:21 pm
According to poster on BF, Charlie hurt his knee at training and is going in for scans. Anyone heard anything similar?
I've heard Charlie is cooked and won't come good after his recurring knee issues but nothing new recently.
I've watched, hes mainly sticking to straight lines. It's easy to say, but I heard similar rumours about kreuzer and getting his knee drained way back when.
Who knows what's actually happening aside from Charlie.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2025, 09:21:29 pm
According to poster on BF, Charlie hurt his knee at training and is going in for scans. Anyone heard anything similar?
The thing about BigFooty is that you get a fair bit of speculative nonsense. The trick is to check the credibility of the poster. There are a couple of ways to do this. 1) Have a look at the previous history of the poster and see whether the things he's passed on have come to pass. ;) 2) See if Brett Temple has gone with the rumour on his Facebook site. :D :D :D
The poster involved seems to have good credibility....and Temple has just posted it on Facebook ;D
Now at this stage he's only 'gone for scans' according to the source so he's not a definite out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2025, 11:34:05 pm
According to poster on BF, Charlie hurt his knee at training and is going in for scans. Anyone heard anything similar?
The thing about BigFooty is that you get a fair bit of speculative nonsense. The trick is to check the credibility of the poster. There are a couple of ways to do this. 1) Have a look at the previous history of the poster and see whether the things he's passed on have come to pass. ;) 2) See if Brett Temple has gone with the rumour on his Facebook site. :D :D :D
The poster involved seems to have good credibility....and Temple has just posted it on Facebook ;D
Now at this stage he's only 'gone for scans' according to the source so he's not a definite out.
That poster was on the money about E Hollands months ago. I dont read anything Temple posts, he posts so called scoops hours sometime days after they are public knowledge.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Lods on May 07, 2025, 11:54:33 pm
The thing about BigFooty is that you get a fair bit of speculative nonsense. The trick is to check the credibility of the poster. There are a couple of ways to do this. 1) Have a look at the previous history of the poster and see whether the things he's passed on have come to pass. ;) 2) See if Brett Temple has gone with the rumour on his Facebook site. :D :D :D
The poster involved seems to have good credibility....and Temple has just posted it on Facebook ;D
Now at this stage he's only 'gone for scans' according to the source so he's not a definite out.
That poster was on the money about E Hollands months ago. I dont read anything Temple posts, he posts so called scoops hours sometime days after they are public knowledge.
I was having a bit of a joke about MrT. ;) :D
Seems as though the rumour has made the news....but they might have been reading BigFooty too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Thryleon on May 08, 2025, 08:06:22 am
Mitch clearly has posted the rumour. Marking contest vs tdk is the rumour.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2025, 09:21:23 am
I can't tell the difference between a "football journalist" and an influencer. It's all about the clicks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: PaulP on May 08, 2025, 10:07:34 am
“The Blues are absolutely adamant that there is no knock to the knee, there’s no structural issue with the knee, there’s no knee injury at all.
“In fact, they’re quite confident he’ll still play St Kilda tomorrow night. He’s going to have to train in the captain’s run today but I think he’d be pretty sore this morning.
“He’s a watch for now.”
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: shawny on May 08, 2025, 10:08:37 am
oh well at least if we lose the injury excuse can be trotted again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2025, 12:06:27 pm
Club has confirmed Charlie and Tom collided late in last nights session, they are both fine.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: pew2 on May 08, 2025, 03:20:34 pm
ok lets pretend we are an NFL club ,do we trade charlie why he still has potential/value or do we go through the scenario again next year , just a Question?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2025, 03:30:04 pm
I'd go even further with your thinking. If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone. I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams? And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 08, 2025, 03:52:17 pm
I'd go even further with your thinking. If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone. I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams? And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.
I think we should beat the Saints at the "G".....we should rebound after the Crows debacle, cant see us ever trading Charlie unless its a conflict with coach type issue or he has gone off the rails Oliver style. Im expecting Charlie and Harry to have big games vs smaller opponents, I think TDK will have a blinder and push his price up further towards 2 mill a season and have SOS and Ross salivating at what joy he will bring.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2025, 03:56:51 pm
And good luck to him whatever he does EB. As long as we are compensated accordingly, not in the AFLs corrupt way.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2025, 04:53:37 pm
I'd go even further with your thinking. If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone. I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams? And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.
If you believe the rumour mill, Walsh is the one who will be traded. Word is he has told people that if Voss is coaching in 2026, he wont be there. So if that's true, ta ta Sam I say, we dont need prima donna's holding our club to ransom.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 08, 2025, 05:02:08 pm
I'd go even further with your thinking. If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone. I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams? And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.
If you believe the rumour mill, Walsh is the one who will be traded. Word is he has told people that if Voss is coaching in 2026, he wont be there. So if that's true, ta ta Sam I say, we dont need prima donna's holding our club to ransom.
Walsh is a restricted free agent soon , according to Cal Twomey he will get some big offers and will be the next captain.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: frostydog on May 08, 2025, 05:04:36 pm
Interesting read in the Herald Sun regarding Liam Stocker on the eve of " Spuds Game"
Done ok at Stkilda all be it they dont have a great list imo and he doesnt have much to beat for his spot, seems to have assumed that Steven Baker role as a provoking small defender who doesnt mind giving out the odd solid bump and hard tackle. Id imagine he will try and stir up a few players and deliver a few bruises vs his old teammates, he has improved his marking but his disposal by foot is iffy and he has poor endurance so hopefully our blokes can run him around and pressure his kicking so he turns it over. A Ross Lyon type of player though and he has found his right home for sure.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: PaulP on May 08, 2025, 05:15:17 pm
I would have thought if there was one CFC player who would respond positively to Voss' ultra competitive nature it would be Walsh.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2025, 05:16:13 pm
Walsh is on big coin and has two patchy years. Seems a bit banged up for moderate kilometres...
I'm wth you EB. If you don't want to be there, sayonara.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Baggers on May 08, 2025, 05:33:50 pm
Walsh is on big coin and has two patchy years. Seems a bit banged up for moderate kilometres...
I'm wth you EB. If you don't want to be there, sayonara.
Agree, Professory. Like the rest of the team, Walshy's form has been up and down, considering what we've seen from him in previous years. His good is still very good, but it's inconsistent - sound familiar?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 08, 2025, 05:35:00 pm
Walsh is on big coin and has two patchy years. Seems a bit banged up for moderate kilometres...
I'm wth you EB. If you don't want to be there, sayonara.
Agree, has had those back problems Prof so Im not over paying him even though he is a very good player and has leadership qualities that every club needs. I want to keep him but I wouldnt be trying to match stupid offers from other clubs and if he has some problem with club/coach and wants to go then he can leave.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: kruddler on May 08, 2025, 06:01:31 pm
I'd go even further with your thinking. If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone. I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams? And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.
If you believe the rumour mill, Walsh is the one who will be traded. Word is he has told people that if Voss is coaching in 2026, he wont be there. So if that's true, ta ta Sam I say, we dont need prima donna's holding our club to ransom.
Walsh is the youngest of our A-graders, but somehow probably the least valuable at the trade table.
However, as has been mentioned, his back injuries are something that are not going to get better, and could get worse real quick. I'm surprised that so many are in favour of trading him. It shows we are progressing as a group and shifting with the times. Any talk about trading an a-grader in the past has been very quickly shouted down, but not now. This is good.
Question is, what do we want, and what do we get?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Lods on May 08, 2025, 06:19:20 pm
If you believe the rumour mill, Walsh is the one who will be traded. Word is he has told people that if Voss is coaching in 2026, he wont be there. So if that's true, ta ta Sam I say, we dont need prima donna's holding our club to ransom.
Walsh is the youngest of our A-graders, but somehow probably the least valuable at the trade table.
However, as has been mentioned, his back injuries are something that are not going to get better, and could get worse real quick. I'm surprised that so many are in favour of trading him. It shows we are progressing as a group and shifting with the times. Any talk about trading an a-grader in the past has been very quickly shouted down, but not now. This is good.
Question is, what do we want, and what do we get?
Walsh has sometimes been linked to Geelong. He was a Falcon as an U/18 That may be the first point of call.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: kruddler on May 08, 2025, 06:23:08 pm
Walsh is the youngest of our A-graders, but somehow probably the least valuable at the trade table.
However, as has been mentioned, his back injuries are something that are not going to get better, and could get worse real quick. I'm surprised that so many are in favour of trading him. It shows we are progressing as a group and shifting with the times. Any talk about trading an a-grader in the past has been very quickly shouted down, but not now. This is good.
Question is, what do we want, and what do we get?
Walsh has sometimes been linked to Geelong. He was a Falcon as an U/18 That may be the first point of call.
SDK comes back the other way as a starting point then.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: kruddler on May 08, 2025, 06:23:53 pm
We are going out with a 23 that consists of.... Weitering, Silvagni, McGovern, Haynes, Young. How many (3rd) tall backs can you fit in 1 side. I would've thought Young would have to miss.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Lods on May 08, 2025, 06:25:09 pm
Binns and Evans rewarded for VFL form. Doc and Carroll are emergencies...as is Pittonet. There may still be some doubt regarding Charlie despite what Voss says and they may be giving him a bit of time to make 100% sure. If he doesn't make it, Pitto may come in and allow Tom to go forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: kruddler on May 08, 2025, 06:27:42 pm
I'm not sure it helps our chances of a win in the 1's though. As a coach you have to set a bar of what is required, which is fine. Sometimes that is counterproductive to what you are trying to acheive in the short term though. Hope it doesn't cost us a win.
Personally, i don't see either of those 2 on our list next year. Anyone who disagrees, tell me others that will go before them
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Lods on May 08, 2025, 06:35:35 pm
We are going out with a 23 that consists of.... Weitering, Silvagni, McGovern, Haynes, Young. How many (3rd) tall backs can you fit in 1 side. I would've thought Young would have to miss.
It may point to further concern regarding Curnow. Pittonet is there as an emergency,but Young could also fill that forward role if Charlie isn't there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2025, 06:45:06 pm
Evans? We're clearly tanking.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: pinot on May 08, 2025, 06:48:35 pm
Dropping Carroll is a little surprising but the 19 y.o got a good taste and will work on his game.
Fog and Doc have been woeful and probably could have included Acres in the outs. Acres to play half forward/ third tall to relieve on the wing makes more sense for now.
Young will start on the bench.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2025, 06:51:05 pm
Yes, Acres needs to extract the digit very quickly, enoughs enough.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: laj on May 08, 2025, 06:51:39 pm
We are going out with a 23 that consists of.... Weitering, Silvagni, McGovern, Haynes, Young. How many (3rd) tall backs can you fit in 1 side. I would've thought Young would have to miss.
It may point to further concern regarding Curnow. Pittonet is there as an emergency,but Young could also fill that forward role if Charlie isn't there.
Maybe Pitto is there in case TDK has decided to play for St.Kilda tomorrow....lol.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Lods on May 08, 2025, 07:09:43 pm
Against Coburg Evans-18 disposals, second best in the tackle count , second in clearances, second in inside 50s, led the score involvements.
He may not have impacted at AFL level for us yet, but he will be replacing Fogarty and that's probably a specific role.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Thryleon on May 08, 2025, 07:12:05 pm
I'd go even further with your thinking. If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone. I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams? And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.
Why would anyone whos been following the club since the year 2000 want to once again go to the draft pick well?
It doesn't work. The only club who bottomed out and then got good had afl sanctioned help. Everyone else has attempted to stay as competitive as possible, and the only ones who have fallen have sold the farm for magic beans that never grow into a stalk.
SOS did a good job with the list but the elongated pain we have gone through for 10 years, false hope and collected another couple of wooden spoon along the way has been an abject failure.
I'd be happy not having a top 3 pick every again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: PaulP on May 08, 2025, 07:20:23 pm
I agree Thry.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Lods on May 08, 2025, 07:23:45 pm
Yep I've come around to the 'trade for need in the present' is a superior strategy to the 'draft for the future' approach.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Thryleon on May 08, 2025, 07:30:00 pm
We've had more early picks than most clubs. When they break down, that's game over.
Also they all want big dollars to stick around unbalancing your list, and most of the time they're significantly more expensive than say a Patrick cripps taken at pick 13 and he has been better value than any number 1 pick we've had. Only weitering comes close.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: JonDorotich on May 08, 2025, 07:32:29 pm
Not sure why we would drop Carroll as he’s been far from our worst and can kick the ball.
Evans/Young/McGovern are all a worry
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: pertz on May 08, 2025, 07:50:42 pm
Which Carlton will turn up this week, that's my only question. The version that played against the Cats will beat the 'Aints. Last week's version will go down like the Titanic, Charlie or no Charlie.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2025, 08:28:12 pm
Binns and Evans, there's two who will strike fear into the opposition🙄
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: crashlander on May 08, 2025, 08:47:22 pm
Our line-up:
Carlton B: [42] Adam Saad [23] Jacob Weitering [33] Lewis Young HB: [4] Oliver Hollands [11] Mitch McGovern [26] Nick Haynes C: [18] Sam Walsh [9] Patrick Cripps [20] Elijah Hollands HF: [13] Blake Acres [10] Harry McKay [3] Jesse Motlop F: [19] Corey Durdin [30] Charlie Curnow [38] Will White R: [12] Tom De Koning [5] Adam Cerra [29] George Hewett Int: [1] Jack Silvagni [25] Jaxon Binns [36] Cooper Lord [44] Francis Evans [2] Lachlan Cowan
Em: [32] Matthew Carroll [15] Sam Docherty [27] Marc Pittonet
I understand that Evans has had a few tackles in recent weeks, but he hasn't been kicking goals. That one makes me scratch my head. I am also a bit surprised that Matt Carroll has been dropped. He will be back. But, considering how small St. Kilda's forward line is, I thought he'd play. I am not surprised that Doc was dropped. He is struggling. Pitto: I wouldn't mind having 2 rucks against Marshall, but ... Charlie - I hope he is OK. But if he isn't 100%, then I hope we don't play him. Playing injured players is not a good strategy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: LoveNavy on May 08, 2025, 08:50:18 pm
I'd go even further with your thinking. If we don't beat the sniffers convincingly, our season is gone. I'd be tempted to blow it up and start again because if what we have can't beat the sniffers (and their dominant recent record over us is eembarassing) how can we ever hope to challenge against real teams? And that means yep, Charlie would be up for trade well and truly.
I think we should beat the Saints at the "G".....we should rebound after the Crows debacle, cant see us ever trading Charlie unless its a conflict with coach type issue or he has gone off the rails Oliver style. Im expecting Charlie and Harry to have big games vs smaller opponents, I think TDK will have a blinder and push his price up further towards 2 mill a season and have SOS and Ross salivating at what joy he will bring.
Love the optimism and hope you're spot on. I hold firm doubts about our ability to "be us" against this mob.
Go Blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: LordLucifer on May 08, 2025, 09:16:17 pm
We are going out with a 23 that consists of.... Weitering, Silvagni, McGovern, Haynes, Young. How many (3rd) tall backs can you fit in 1 side. I would've thought Young would have to miss.
Waving the white flag already !!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: DJC on May 08, 2025, 10:34:34 pm
We are going out with a 23 that consists of.... Weitering, Silvagni, McGovern, Haynes, Young. How many (3rd) tall backs can you fit in 1 side. I would've thought Young would have to miss.
You’re not complaining that we have too many tall defenders 🤣
Weitering and Silvagni will be the two KPDs. Young will fill in in the ruck and KPD/KPF. Haynes and McGovern will be the intercept/third talls and Cowan, Saad and Ollie will take the small/medium forwards.
And, speaking of small forwards, we’re going with four small forwards, five if Binns plays forward. Stopping Wanganeen-Milera’s run might be a priority.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: kruddler on May 08, 2025, 10:40:21 pm
We are going out with a 23 that consists of.... Weitering, Silvagni, McGovern, Haynes, Young. How many (3rd) tall backs can you fit in 1 side. I would've thought Young would have to miss.
You’re not complaining that we have too many tall defenders 🤣
Weitering and Silvagni will be the two KPDs. Young will fill in in the ruck and KPD/KPF. Haynes and McGovern will be the intercept/third talls and Cowan, Saad and Ollie will take the small/medium forwards.
It's the first time in years we haven't got a kpd who is injured so we are celebrating and playing them all at once. Amusing as that is, is st.kilda the team to be attempting that feat? I'm more worried about their small forwards rather than their tall ones.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2025, 11:00:56 pm
Acres owes us a good game FFS.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 08, 2025, 11:07:37 pm
Need to be careful with our matchups on Wanganeen Milera and Sinclair in particular. We have a bad habit of repeating previous mistakes and getting burnt by the same players doing the same things..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2025, 11:15:49 pm
Need to be careful with our matchups on Wanganeen Milera and Sinclair in particular. We have a bad habit of repeating previous mistakes and getting burnt by the same players doing the same things..
Nothing surer
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Baggers on May 09, 2025, 08:20:11 am
Need to be careful with our matchups on Wanganeen Milera and Sinclair in particular. We have a bad habit of repeating previous mistakes and getting burnt by the same players doing the same things..
Aint that the truth.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Baggers on May 09, 2025, 08:23:34 am
Against Coburg Evans-18 disposals, second best in the tackle count , second in clearances, second in inside 50s, led the score involvements.
He may not have impacted at AFL level for us yet, but he will be replacing Fogarty and that's probably a specific role.
Credit given where it's due, to our collective surprise, Frankie has upped his game and shown good form in the Magoos... deserved a call-up, now to see if he can deliver at senior level.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Baggers on May 09, 2025, 08:24:53 am
We are going out with a 23 that consists of.... Weitering, Silvagni, McGovern, Haynes, Young. How many (3rd) tall backs can you fit in 1 side. I would've thought Young would have to miss.
Seems a little too top-heavy. A late change or two?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2025, 10:07:10 am
Collective test for this club tonight - players, MC and coaching.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 09, 2025, 10:14:03 am
Collective test for this club tonight - players, MC and coaching.
There's one thing about Voss IMO, he never singles out players, lines coaches, list, he always implies "we need to get better", "we need to go to work on...", he implies whole of club. He doesnt drop players at the first sign of poor form, he backs them in to fight through tough times. Many will see this as weakness, I see this as a strong quality.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2025, 10:32:39 am
I don't want to see a mis-matched, unbalanced side run out. The named side is ???? How many games do you back a bloke in to come good? Docherty is clearly at the broken patience stage. In out in out. Are they going to let the "usual suspects" do their thing- Steele owning Cripps for example. At least one of our bugbears has left to Collingwood, thankfully. Just watch some craptruck pop up and kick a bag.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Thryleon on May 09, 2025, 02:11:32 pm
I don't want to see a mis-matched, unbalanced side run out. The named side is ???? How many games do you back a bloke in to come good? Docherty is clearly at the broken patience stage. In out in out. Are they going to let the "usual suspects" do their thing- Steele owning Cripps for example. At least one of our bugbears has left to Collingwood, thankfully. Just watch some craptruck pop up and kick a bag.
Higgins and Owens are the usual suspects.
Wanganeen-Millera, Hill, Sinclair and Butler if he plays usually save their best for us too.
Rowan Marshall can thank dominating against our rucks for an AFL career.
Luckily Stocker doesnt play too well against us and hes usually quite important for them.
The saints are the most annoying side in the AFL to watch, and there is 0 heat on them after their dismantling of Freo last week. We are not going well though, and look as broken as we did at the tail end of last year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: madbluboy on May 09, 2025, 02:13:59 pm
I think we will smash them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 09, 2025, 02:50:47 pm
Collective test for this club tonight - players, MC and coaching.
There's one thing about Voss IMO, he never singles out players, lines coaches, list, he always implies "we need to get better", "we need to go to work on...", he implies whole of club. He doesnt drop players at the first sign of poor form, he backs them in to fight through tough times. Many will see this as weakness, I see this as a strong quality.
I see it as us having no depth and he cant make any changes because there is nothing better to bring in, he is essentially running with a smaller list than most.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 09, 2025, 03:13:20 pm
I don't want to see a mis-matched, unbalanced side run out. The named side is ???? How many games do you back a bloke in to come good? Docherty is clearly at the broken patience stage. In out in out. Are they going to let the "usual suspects" do their thing- Steele owning Cripps for example. At least one of our bugbears has left to Collingwood, thankfully. Just watch some craptruck pop up and kick a bag.
Higgins and Owens are the usual suspects.
Wanganeen-Millera, Hill, Sinclair and Butler if he plays usually save their best for us too.
Rowan Marshall can thank dominating against our rucks for an AFL career.
Luckily Stocker doesnt play too well against us and hes usually quite important for them.
The saints are the most annoying side in the AFL to watch, and there is 0 heat on them after their dismantling of Freo last week. We are not going well though, and look as broken as we did at the tail end of last year.
Higgins is no slouch, currently 2nd in the Coleman I think so he will need close attention.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 09, 2025, 03:20:24 pm
Higgins and Owens are the usual suspects. Wanganeen-Millera, Hill, Sinclair and Butler if he plays usually save their best for us too.
Rowan Marshall can thank dominating against our rucks for an AFL career.
Luckily Stocker doesnt play too well against us and hes usually quite important for them.
The saints are the most annoying side in the AFL to watch, and there is 0 heat on them after their dismantling of Freo last week. We are not going well though, and look as broken as we did at the tail end of last year.
The other usual suspect from them who gives us a bath is Steele, he normally beats Cripps who skipper should push fwd at every opportunity and exploit him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 09, 2025, 03:52:21 pm
Wanganeen-Millera, Hill, Sinclair and Butler if he plays usually save their best for us too.
Rowan Marshall can thank dominating against our rucks for an AFL career.
Luckily Stocker doesnt play too well against us and hes usually quite important for them.
The saints are the most annoying side in the AFL to watch, and there is 0 heat on them after their dismantling of Freo last week. We are not going well though, and look as broken as we did at the tail end of last year.
Higgins is no slouch, currently 2nd in the Coleman I think so he will need close attention.
Agree...needs a player who can handle him on the ground and in the air, takes a few marks in one on one duals and can play as that default key forward when they have Sharman and Caminiti playing further up the ground and dragging their opponents with them. Its a different game at the MCG though and requires a bit more mobility imo, we can look a bit top heavy with too many taller types down back.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: kruddler on May 09, 2025, 04:43:13 pm
However, if their small forwards get a run on, there is next to no matchup changes we can make, because we've gone for so much height in the backline this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Thryleon on May 09, 2025, 06:07:12 pm
Wanganeen-Millera, Hill, Sinclair and Butler if he plays usually save their best for us too.
Rowan Marshall can thank dominating against our rucks for an AFL career.
Luckily Stocker doesnt play too well against us and hes usually quite important for them.
The saints are the most annoying side in the AFL to watch, and there is 0 heat on them after their dismantling of Freo last week. We are not going well though, and look as broken as we did at the tail end of last year.
Higgins is no slouch, currently 2nd in the Coleman I think so he will need close attention.
I meant Higgins and Owen's usually cut us up.
They're pretty poor though. Watch us make phillipou a star today.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2025, 06:39:54 pm
I'd still have Carroll on the bench or as a sub, didn't have a good game last week but he is a handy size and flexible re position.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: pertz on May 09, 2025, 06:45:09 pm
Higgins is no slouch, currently 2nd in the Coleman I think so he will need close attention.
Agree...needs a player who can handle him on the ground and in the air, takes a few marks in one on one duals and can play as that default key forward when they have Sharman and Caminiti playing further up the ground and dragging their opponents with them. Its a different game at the MCG though and requires a bit more mobility imo, we can look a bit top heavy with too many taller types down back.
Agree, a different game at the G, should suit us better. Lyon is the 19th man for the 'Aints, he is as cunning as a craphouse rat so Voss will need to be flexible tonight and not just let things roll on if we fall behind
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Lods on May 09, 2025, 06:46:54 pm
From AFL.com
St Kilda v Carlton at the MCG, 7.40pm AEST
NO LATE CHANGES
SUBSTITUTES St Kilda: Lance Collard Carlton: Cooper Lord
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2025, 07:01:13 pm
The MC would want to know what they're doing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St, Kilda
Post by: kruddler on May 09, 2025, 07:04:11 pm