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Found a way, most impressed TBH as I was convinced we were going to blow it. Sounds like Vossy wanted the scrap instead of a shootout (in his interview on Ch7).
Got the 4 points, Ross the Kent can GAGFd and yes we made our bed and happy to lie in it DH.

Well aren't you glad you don't barrack for St Kilda and have to watch that crap every week....... and aren't you glad Ross Lyon doesn't coach us so we don't have to watch that crap every week!!!

I need to watch the replay before commenting. I spent much of the time with my eyes covered or shut in disbelief 😖

Shout out though to H and the Lord. Regardless of the pathetic Ross the Toss stifled spectacle, we finally got the better of the Saints. Good enough for now.

Lyons game plan is about not losing, rather than playing to win and every game is a grind and his own players must be exhausted each week win, lose or draw, it's tiring watching them play..

Lyons game plan is about not losing, rather than playing to win and every game is a grind and his own players must be exhausted each week win, lose or draw, it's tiring watching them play..

I also got frustrated with Charlie, seems reluctant to get across to contest or chase at times. Might be just because he isn't as mobile as he used to be.

Too tall huh? Worked a treat, Young was more than useful with 2 goals then moving back to cover the losses.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 09, 2025, 11:11:52 pm

Lyons game plan is about not losing, rather than playing to win and every game is a grind and his own players must be exhausted each week win, lose or draw, it's tiring watching them play..

Listening to Vossy on Ch7 being interviewed in the rooms, it sounds like we were the ones wanting a slog shutting down their running game. Admitted that if was a shoot out we wouldnt have won.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 09, 2025, 11:11:27 pm

I also got frustrated with Charlie, seems reluctant to get across to contest or chase at times. Might be just because he isn't as mobile as he used to be.

I agree; Charlie doesn't work hard enough - maybe he is not fit enough because he always seems to be be recovering from one injury or another.

Adam Cerra: excellent in the 1st half, nothing much in the 2nd.

As ive said many times Charlie is overrated due to being exciting to watch.

Hes great when the ball is delivered to his advantage but FMD he does my head in when the pressure is right on or when he doesnt have the space to work in.

looks lazy and disinterested when the going gets tough. if only he had even one half of jacks heart

Harry can be frustrating but opposite to Charlie when the game is in the balance he pushes himself hard and as a result his best work is regularly done when the game is being decided.

As ive said many times Charlie is overrated due to being exciting to watch.

Hes great when the ball is delivered to his advantage but FMD he does my head in when the pressure is right on or when he doesnt have the space to work in.

looks lazy and disinterested when the going gets tough. if only he had even one half of jacks heart

Harry can be frustrating but opposite to Charlie when the game is in the balance he pushes himself hard and as a result his best work is regularly done when the game is being decided.

I didn’t mind the tough slog, and found it to be quite an absorbing contest. I enjoyed it more than some of the high scoring, sling shot games that we’ve had. Great win and some players really took their moments.

Green shoots!
Cooper Lord - progressing nicely.  Interesting to look back at that clincher goal he kicked in the last quarter.
He took the ball mid back line, hit team-mate with accurate pass, ran in to forward line, positioned to take pass from McKay.
Then of course finished really well with that goal.    
Not raking up big numbers yet, but great pick up CFC recruiters.
12 disposals, 8 tackles 1  goal   (played 3 quarters)

Jaxon Binns - really pleased to see this young guy heavily in the play last night after a good apprenticeship in the VFL . Perhaps still to find the poise needed to finish and pass accurately under pressure, but a good step forward last night IMO.
22 disposals, 2 tackles 1 goal


Ab

Solid effort, but gee it was a hard watch.   We could have put it all to bed but missed two sitters in the last (Elijah, Durds) that would have made things far more comfortable.


What I wouldn't give for a team who can not only win the contested ball, but can then hit kicks and handballs.

We are too sloppy to worry the top sides.  I watched the Pies against Freo, and their disposal is elite - precise and definite. 

Our crew lob up more Hail Marys than the new pope, and miss more targets than a blind sniper.

Agree but at the same time it was frustrating also. It was an excellent coaching performance by Voss and co last night, used Ross's ugly style to our advantage and going tall and backing Young in was 100% the right thing to do.

In our past 3 games we've seen 3 different Bluebaggers. 2 of them, very good.

There seems to have been a shift in our game day coaching, more flexibility. Also the MC, dropping Doc again and going into this game tall was necessary and creative.

I don't get the Charles criticisms. Yes, he's laconic but with opposition sides double and triple teaming him at every chance says they regard him highly, good enough for moi.

Also don't get the criticism of our smalls/small forwards. Their pressure, all night, was terrific, with Binnsy and Will W taking opportunities to hit the scoreboard on a night where goals were gold.

Bravo Cooper L. Final qtr, less than a kick in it, took his opportunity with terrific determination and composure... that's the mental toughness I bang on about. Not overawed, focussed. Ditto, H.

Binnsy and Lij were so, so important in that win. Elite work rate.

JSOS is rapidly elevating himself to one of the much better key defenders in the game. With aggott in hand you just know he'll deliver it well to the best option. Haynes value is now cemented.

And this Young bloke we've all been critical of is gaining confidence... and dare I say, importance!

I don't get the Charles criticisms. Yes, he's laconic but with opposition sides double and triple teaming him at every chance says they regard him highly, good enough for moi.

And dare I add Baggers that Motlop did some nice things last night. He got to the contest more and some of his disposals were excellent. We need to continue polishing up our skills and composure but all in all we scrapped it out for a good win. Hopefully the injury toll won’t be too bad.

If only Motlop was a one touch player...

Clogging up the game suited us. With the injuries, we weren't trying to play the manic game style that tires us out.

While there was a lot of pressure on us towards the end, there was heaps on the Saints and they didn't handle it as well.  That team effort needs to be present consistently.

If only Motlop was a one touch player...Binns did well.

Quote from: dodge – on May 10, 2025, 11:54:25 am

Clogging up the game suited us. With the injuries, we weren't trying to play the manic game style that tires us out.

While there was a lot of pressure on us towards the end, there was heaps on the Saints and they didn't handle it as well.  That team effort needs to be present consistently.

If only Motlop was a one touch player...Binns did well.

Agree, we got lucky Ross was coaching and made the 3rd quarter some of the worse football you could watch, no team could score easily and we were able to cover our injuries and conserve some energy with such a messy congested game.
Motlop has become ultra fumbly and nervous which I cant work out, I thought his time in the midfield did him a lot of good and he was making good decisions and looked a competent footballer but he has regressed and is costing us scoring opportunities.
Motlop would be my sub next game....Binns was good apart from some astray kicks but Id be persisting with him, both Binns and Lord will never be Chiefs but are handy Indians and suited to the MCG's open spaces.

Quote from: dodge – on May 10, 2025, 11:54:25 am

If only Motlop was a one touch player...

This aspect of his game drives me up the wall, for a bloke so close to the ground, his hands are terrible. He gets to the right spots and reads the play as well as anyone but his fumbles let him down.
Binns was ok last night, the opposition suited him.

Quote from: Baggers – on May 10, 2025, 09:29:20 am

In our past 3 games we've seen 3 different Bluebaggers. 2 of them, very good.

There seems to have been a shift in our game day coaching, more flexibility. Also the MC, dropping Doc again and going into this game tall was necessary and creative.

I don't get the Charles criticisms. Yes, he's laconic but with opposition sides double and triple teaming him at every chance says they regard him highly, good enough for moi.

Also don't get the criticism of our smalls/small forwards. Their pressure, all night, was terrific, with Binnsy and Will W taking opportunities to hit the scoreboard on a night where goals were gold.

Bravo Cooper L. Final qtr, less than a kick in it, took his opportunity with terrific determination and composure... that's the mental toughness I bang on about. Not overawed, focussed. Ditto, H.

Binnsy and Lij were so, so important in that win. Elite work rate.

JSOS is rapidly elevating himself to one of the much better key defenders in the game. With aggott in hand you just know he'll deliver it well to the best option. Haynes value is now cemented.

And this Young bloke we've all been critical of is gaining confidence... and dare I say, importance!

And dare I add Baggers that Motlop did some nice things last night. He got to the contest more and some of his disposals were excellent. We need to continue polishing up our skills and composure but all in all we scrapped it out for a good win. Hopefully the injury toll won’t be too bad.

Quote from: dodge – on May 10, 2025, 11:54:25 am

If only Motlop was a one touch player...

This aspect of his game drives me up the wall, for a bloke so close to the ground, his hands are terrible. He gets to the right spots and reads the play as well as anyone but his fumbles let him down.
Binns was ok last night, the opposition suited him.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 10, 2025, 12:05:02 pm

This aspect of his game drives me up the wall, for a bloke so close to the ground, his hands are terrible. He gets to the right spots and reads the play as well as anyone but his fumbles let him down.
Binns was ok last night, the opposition suited him.

That is the area that Jesse needs to work on most. If he didn't fumble so much, he'd have the chance to show his evasive skills. But, after he fumbles, there is no chance.
He also needs to work on his marking, as we're stupid enough to kick the ball to him in a 1 on 1, which he inevitably loses. If he could even get the ball to ground, then it wouldn't be a total lost. However, that doesn't happen; he gets out-marked 97 times out of 100. :(

Binns: I'm glad he had a good game, as he deserved the opportunity. However, I'd like to see a more consistent effort. He had 2 great quarters, where he got 18 of his 22 possessions. The other two he didn't do much. He gives us 4 quarters and he'll be a lot harder to drop.

I'm not sure how fit Blake Acres is. He isn't getting to the contests like he was, neither is he taking the clutch marks. If guys like Binns and Lukas C can come on, it would be a good idea to get Acres patched up. I know he hurt his good shoulder yesterday, but I'd rather see him with 2 good shoulders rather than ... however many he has at the moment.

Quote from: crashlander – on May 10, 2025, 03:15:41 pm

That is the area that Jesse needs to work on most. If he didn't fumble so much, he'd have the chance to show his evasive skills. But, after he fumbles, there is no chance.
He also needs to work on his marking, as we're stupid enough to kick the ball to him in a 1 on 1, which he inevitably loses. If he could even get the ball to ground, then it wouldn't be a total lost. However, that doesn't happen; he gets out-marked 97 times out of 100. :(

Binns: I'm glad he had a good game, as he deserved the opportunity. However, I'd like to see a more consistent effort. He had 2 great quarters, where he got 18 of his 22 possessions. The other two he didn't do much. He gives us 4 quarters and he'll be a lot harder to drop.

I'm not sure how fit Blake Acres is. He isn't getting to the contests like he was, neither is he taking the clutch marks. If guys like Binns and Lukas C can come on, it would be a good idea to get Acres patched up. I know he hurt his good shoulder yesterday, but I'd rather see him with 2 good shoulders rather than ... however many he has at the moment.

I think if Acres was at Collingwood he would be managed and not play every game, he always looks sore and a bit under done.
We need to trust players like Binns and Lord etc to provide us with the depth to rest players and come to grips with the modern game that some players cant play every game and like a good racehorse need spelling to keep them fresh for the big races.

Wright's involvement with List Management is probably a bit of a sore point given we've been bitten by CEO's getting involved before....but it is an area where he at least has some experience.
A lot may depend on who has the List manager position at the end of the year.

Wright gives the impression he's going to be pretty 'hands on'.
Whether that turns out to be a good thing, or a disruptive one time will tell.

Wright's involvement with List Management is probably a bit of a sore point given we've been bitten by CEO's getting involved before....but it is an area where he at least has some experience.
A lot may depend on who has the List manager position at the end of the year.

Wright gives the impression he's going to be pretty 'hands on'.
Whether that turns out to be a good thing, or a disruptive one time will tell.

Wright's involvement with List Management is probably a bit of a sore point given we've been bitten by CEO's getting involved before....but it is an area where he at least has some experience.
A lot may depend on who has the List manager position at the end of the year.

Wright gives the impression he's going to be pretty 'hands on'.
Whether that turns out to be a good thing, or a disruptive one time will tell.

Quote from: Lods – on May 10, 2025, 05:40:30 pm

Wright's involvement with List Management is probably a bit of a sore point given we've been bitten by CEO's getting involved before....but it is an area where he at least has some experience.
A lot may depend on who has the List manager position at the end of the year.

Wright gives the impression he's going to be pretty 'hands on'.
Whether that turns out to be a good thing, or a disruptive one time will tell.

It's I not ansore point because the bloke jn power who had no experience in list management tried overrule the bloke who had, a couple times at least, and tried to bring his mate into the club off the back of that. That has subsequently set off the former list manager to the point where he won't return to the club to celebrate his own success or the success of his son.

Pretty sure Wright can't and won't do the same.

That previous list manager probably needs to harden up a bit.
He couldn't even get together with a group of team-mates who he shared the ultimate success with. ::)
SOS's problems obviously run deeper than Liddle...who is long gone.

I don't think we know what Wright will do...yet.

But I suspect there will be changes where he thinks things haven't been operating at their optimum.
It's not a quick handover to Wright and he'll be taking his time and getting a good feel for what needs to be done.
And that may mean a few changes in personnel.

Interesting, and fairly even battle between Marshall and De Koning.
I'd give Tom the points victory but it kind of makes me wonder what role he would have if he did make the move.

Just read Ross’ comments in today’s papers - “2 kids with 10 games experience up against Cripps and cerra, no wonder we lost”…..  he somehow forgot to mention Steele, McRae, Sinclair.      Fck you Ross.  Keep coming up with excuses to try to keep your job.    What was it?  “Make your bed and lie in it”??

Quote from: Milhanna13 – on May 11, 2025, 07:30:50 pm

Just read Ross’ comments in today’s papers - “2 kids with 10 games experience up against Cripps and cerra, no wonder we lost”…..  he somehow forgot to mention Steele, McRae, Sinclair.      Fck you Ross.  Keep coming up with excuses to try to keep your job.    What was it?  “Make your bed and lie in it”??

I am so glad that we went through a genuine selection process and that discouraged Lyon from throwing his hat into the ring.

I genuinely feel sorry for the long suffering St Kilda supporters.

Quote from: DJC – on May 11, 2025, 07:58:49 pm

I am so glad that we went through a genuine selection process and that discouraged Lyon from throwing his hat into the ring.

I genuinely feel sorry for the long suffering St Kilda supporters.

There is an obvious reason why he can't land 'the big fish'....... who wants to play that sort of football! Let's hope a big blonde ruckman can see that too!

Quote from: townsendcalling – on May 11, 2025, 08:38:27 pm

There is an obvious reason why he can't land 'the big fish'....... who wants to play that sort of football! Let's hope a big blonde ruckman can see that too!

I suspect the big blond ruckman will happily play any sort of game Ross wants him to given the money on offer. For Tom to knock it back, it would require an extraordinary level of loyalty and character, a level never seen before.

It's an age old conundrum, eh GTC - loot and loyalty, or perhaps loot v commitment.

In my own work journey I've been lucky enough to be offered more loot to go elsewhere and on those few occasions knocked back the offers to stay... solely based on culture. Values. Didn't like the culture of the offering place, loved the culture where I was. Some folks are more motivated by loot, and that's fair enough. Horses for courses.

I'm glad the club is sticking to its guns re loot. Apparently the offer is there, and that's it. It'd be sad to see the big fella go, but as corny as this may sound, the club is bigger than the individual. 

You're probably right that TDK wouldn't be worried about Ross's game plan... after all, the Aints are offering him large money to do what he does at PP. But are the Aints a destination club? I wouldn't have thought so. But I'm biased. TDK says he's a pretty laid back character, which could mean anything... probably to go with what his agent and family choose for him?

The thing I'm probably more 'mercenary' about is commitment. Not a fan of allowing someone to be rubbery about their commitment. It does effect culture. Perhaps I'm a pr1ck like that but I'd be wanting a decision now and not at year's end. Apparently Lloyd has indicated that this will be his last year at PP... again, being a pr1ck, I'd want him to leave now or move him sideways in the interim.

Commitment nourishes trust, and trust is imperative in successful and great cultures. Rubbery commitment erodes trust.

If the Saints pay 1.7m for TDK, they have rocks in their head.  The ruck position is one of the few where they don't have a glaring weakness.

If the Saints pay 1.7m for TDK, they have rocks in their head.  The ruck position is one of the few where they don't have a glaring weakness.

If the Saints pay 1.7m for TDK, they have rocks in their head.  The ruck position is one of the few where they don't have a glaring weakness.

Who is the best direct comparison for TDK in terms of seeing past performance?

Well, we saw probably Buddy go in an equivalent deal.  Did he help the swans?  They were there or there abouts.  They went hard for him, got their man and its an all or nothing manoever.  Meanwhile the Hawks let buddy go and got better.   The thing thats intangible there, is that they got the Adelaide bloke at the same time which may have caused more grief than Buddy in isolation.

Its hard to compare.

Coaches' votes :

Quote from: Thryleon – on May 13, 2025, 09:55:59 am

Who is the best direct comparison for TDK in terms of seeing past performance?

Well, we saw probably Buddy go in an equivalent deal.  Did he help the swans?  They were there or there abouts.  They went hard for him, got their man and its an all or nothing manoever.  Meanwhile the Hawks let buddy go and got better.   The thing thats intangible there, is that they got the Adelaide bloke at the same time which may have caused more grief than Buddy in isolation.

Its hard to compare.

Buddy's deal was huge at the time ... and many consider him on a par with Leigh Matthews as Hawthorn's best ever players.

If the $$$ suggested by the media are correct, St Kilda isn't offering overs for an elite player, but I'm not sure that Tom is an elite player ... at this stage.

From what we saw on Friday night, Tom doesn't address any of St Kilda's deficiencies and they would seem to be better off spending their war chest on a key forward and midfielder.

Lot of rumours swirling around Buddy when he left, I believe the AFL were livid when he went to the Swans not GWS.  I doubt TdK comes with any baggage.

Quote from: Professer E – on May 13, 2025, 10:07:51 am

Lot of rumours swirling around Buddy when he left, I believe the AFL were livid when he went to the Swans not GWS.  I doubt TdK comes with any baggage.

Buddy deal was done 12 months prior to him leaving Hawthorn.....Judd deal was also done very early, I wonder if TDK has done something similar and we are just seeing a bit of free agent theatre until seasons end.

Glad we found a way to tough it out instead of folding. Against Saints and Ross was extra satisfying.

Leaders led. Runners kept running. Big fwds and an unlikely big defender, got it through the big sticks. Our youngsters showed they've got something. Our flexible guys flexed. The coach outcoached the old cockroach.

Only one game but we won a different way. A way that shows we have ticker. A long way to go for sure but a great one to put down to experience.

Quote from: LoveNavy – on May 13, 2025, 10:55:51 pm

Glad we found a way to tough it out instead of folding. Against Saints and Ross was extra satisfying.

Leaders led. Runners kept running. Big fwds and an unlikely big defender, got it through the big sticks. Our youngsters showed they've got something. Our flexible guys flexed. The coach outcoached the old cockroach.

Only one game but we won a different way. A way that shows we have ticker. A long way to go for sure but a great one to put down to experience.

Yep, sure was great (and a little bit painful - 3rd qtr) to watch. And see the lads see off the Aints... at last!

Wet blanket time. However, Ross, in his stubbornness, actually helped us win by making the game, especially in the 3rd qtr, a rolling, rugby like scrum, giving us time -- as Vossy pointed out -- to rest and reassess. Most opposition coaches would have taken advantage of our reduced rotations and sped up the game.

I've watched our final qtr again. Gee there were some impressive individual efforts helping to get us over the line: Crippa, Motlop, White, backline boys, Cooper and of course, H.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 13, 2025, 06:14:34 pm

Buddy deal was done 12 months prior to him leaving Hawthorn.....Judd deal was also done very early, I wonder if TDK has done something similar and we are just seeing a bit of free agent theatre until seasons end.

I have had the feeling for a while that his decision is made. What's the benefit of waiting until the end of the year? It's harder on him with all the speculation than to announce it now (ie re-signing). He knows the offer, he knows his role at Carlton, he knows his team mates and the club intimately, It is for these reasons that I think he will leave.
It was interesting to read Motlop's interview in the HS (indigenous jumper and Sir Doug Nicholls Round launch). He talked about wanting to be a one Club player and wants to stay at Carlton. He said how he lives with Jack Carroll who has given him an insight into StK, it infers that has reinforced his desire to stay at Carlton. For Tom I guess the 1.7M reasons would trump a crap coach, crap environment and crap culture.

You would consider pay ing 1.7 million for Tom if you didn't have a decent ruck but StKilda do so it doesn't make sense.

You would consider pay ing 1.7 million for Tom if you didn't have a decent ruck but StKilda do so it doesn't make sense.

You would consider pay ing 1.7 million for Tom if you didn't have a decent ruck but StKilda do so it doesn't make sense.

Quote from: madbluboy – on May 14, 2025, 02:47:49 pm

You would consider pay ing 1.7 million for Tom if you didn't have a decent ruck but StKilda do so it doesn't make sense.

Marshall is closer to the end, its succession planning allows one to play fwd (given King is always injured).

You also have to add in the SOS hatred which seems to have gone up a gear and I think his ego would get a huge boost if he could steal one of our finest and be able to gloat about it...I reckon he will/would offer big dollars for Walsh too if he felt he could push the price up for us and make us sweat for his signature.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 14, 2025, 06:07:05 pm

You also have to add in the SOS hatred which seems to have gone up a gear and I think his ego would get a huge boost if he could steal one of our finest and be able to gloat about it...I reckon he will/would offer big dollars for Walsh too if he felt he could push the price up for us and make us sweat for his signature.

This is what its all about, SOS will happily torch StK in the process of getting his pound of flesh from us.

To date, sos has attempted to get a lot of players from his old clubs.

The best of which is arguably matt Kennedy.  He was both a top 10 draft pick and successfully playing good footy over many games at his new club.

He missed:

Treloar
Shiel
Coniglio

And ended up getting guys like marchbank, lamb, plowman (believe it or not is a close second to kennedy in terms of games played vs capability at the level), Phillips and a raft of names that don't quite cut the mustard with Zac williams not quite being a sos recruit at carlton as he had left us before we signed zac. 

So you can expect him to throw the kitchen sink at all our best players, but this has shades of malthouse about it and won't end well for the saints.

If they take tdk off us we should try prise loose wanganeen-millera.

Did anyone notice the incident that resulted in Tom’s larynx injury?

I wonder if he got a free kick … or was he penalised for blocking?

This is off topic, but where does Jack Silvagni fit into all of this ? Whilst the "vengeful SOS" theory is certainly plausible, I remain skeptical. SOS is basically weakening the club where his son still plays, where he and his dad Sergio forged great careers and became club legends. Is Jack privy to discussions on TDK's future ? Does his position as SOS's son compromise his relationships with his team mates etc ?

Quote from: PaulP – on May 15, 2025, 10:03:49 am

This is off topic, but where does Jack Silvagni fit into all of this ? Whilst the "vengeful SOS" theory is certainly plausible, I remain skeptical. SOS is basically weakening the club where his son still plays, where he and his dad Sergio forged great careers and became club legends. Is Jack privy to discussions on TDK's future ? Does his position as SOS's son compromise his relationships with his team mates etc ?

I've thought of JSOS in all this too - Jack is a free agent at the end of the season (restricted??), would his dad go after him as well??

This is off topic, but where does Jack Silvagni fit into all of this ? Whilst the "vengeful SOS" theory is certainly plausible, I remain skeptical. SOS is basically weakening the club where his son still plays, where he and his dad Sergio forged great careers and became club legends. Is Jack privy to discussions on TDK's future ? Does his position as SOS's son compromise his relationships with his team mates etc ?

Quote from: Three Votes – on May 15, 2025, 12:36:21 pm

I've thought of JSOS in all this too - Jack is a free agent at the end of the season (restricted??), would his dad go after him as well??

There's a difference between Jack and Stephen, Jack wont ever shaft the Blues. Going nowhere.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 15, 2025, 12:47:00 pm

There's a difference between Jack and Stephen, Jack wont ever shaft the Blues. Going nowhere.

Agree, been told by a reliable source that SOS tried to get Jack to leave but Jack has all his friends at the club and refused so I dont see him ever leaving unless the club was to short change him contract wise or similar.