On Saturday night at 19:10 at Carlton.
Team unavailable as yet, but our emergencies should be available.
The line-ups for Saturday evening:
CARLTON
B: H. O'Farrell (22), E. Phillips (55), M. Carroll (32)
HB: H. Charleson (28), J. Boyd (37), M. Duffy (41)
C: R. Monahan (34), B. Wilson (35), L. Camporeale (21)
HF: A. Moir (43), S. Docherty (15), L. Nelson (57)
F: H. Lemmey (31), H. O'Keeffe (40), L. McMahon (52)
R: M. Pittonet (27), B. Camporeale (16), H. Ramshaw (51)
Int: W. Hayes (54), K. Ferronato (50), O. Poole (75), C. Vickery (59), D. Hogg (70)
23rd Player: O. Poole (75)
EMG: C. Hamilton (80), O. Badr (62), S. Phipps-Parsons (69), F. Riley (56), T. Logan (68), D. Harvey (73), A. Stevens (77)
Will Hayes is a huge 'in', back from time in Hong Kong.
Another interesting in is Duffy, who was supposed to be the better of the 2 Irish boys. Let's see how he goes after his knee op.
SANDRINGHAM
B: A. McLennan (41), J. Carroll (18), A. Schoenmaker (27)
HB: T. Travaglia (5), A. Hastie (24), E. Williams (53)
C: W. Johnson (67), J. Barrat (28), A. Mathieson (51)
HF: N. Maginness (52), L. Henry (23), J. Campigli (64)
F: M. Heath (42), I. Keeler (17), A. Dodson (30)
R: H. Boyd (31), H. Clark (11), Z. Jones (3)
INT: B. Stephenson (73), J. Rigoni (79), C. Rozenes (78), B. Richardson (83), S. Latreille (66)
23rd Player: C. Rozenes
EMG: B. Seers (72), L. Purcell (75), L. Voss (55)
With injuries in the seniors, there will be spots available for those who impress.
Attention: Matt Carroll & Jordan Boyd!
Well Moir has finally woken up :D
Halfway through the first he's kicked two and getting really involved.
Just came to say the same 👍🏼
FYI folks this game is being broadcast on 7plus here in QLD.
I'd assume it would be the same elsewhere.
Matty Carroll a late out... likely being saved for the Fluffy Ducks game with Cowan out.
Quarter Time
Carlton 2-4-16 leading Sandringham 1-5-11
Wilson 10
B Camporeale 9
Boyd 9
Moir 5 (with 2 goals)
Moir has only added one disposal to his quarter time efforts but what I am liking about his game tonight is that he is getting involved.
A couple of clever taps in close have worked to our advantage.
He's hunting the ball rather than standing back.
Half -time
Carlton 6-7-43 lead Sandy 2-6 -18
Billy Wilson putting his hand up.. He has 19 disposals
Docherty 17
Boyd 14
Random observations
Harry O'Farrell has a decent leap on him....just has to learn how to hold them.
The Irishmen haven't really impacted.
Ethan Phillips playing for our VFL team is having a good year
197cm 90kg Key defender. Age 25
Was an SSP selection for Hawthorn in 2024 but played only one game before he was delisted.
3/4 time
Carlton 8-7-55 lead Sandringham 5-8-38
Disposals (Carlton listed)-
Docherty 23
B Camporeale 22
Wilson 22
*Will Hayes has 25
Pittonet copped an injury (possible chest/abdomen) that quarter and was on and off.
(He's off for good now)
Moir didn't do much that quarter and Lemmey hasn't done much all night
Carlton win 9-11-65 to Sandringham 6-11-47
There was a little bit of Boyd to Docherty to Boyd.
So the stats may be a little inflated but...
Docherty 36 (Efficiency 86.1%)
B Camporeale 33 (72.7%)
Boyd 28 ( 78.6%)
Wilson 27 (77.8%)
McMahon kicked 4
Moir 2
Pittonet -(injured TBA)
Promotions...Don't know...I'm thinking none.
Wilson had a good first half but not so prominent after half time
Ben Camporeale getting close.
Docherty dominated possession and was pretty much a general out there...is he of more benefit for the club in that role?
Moir still needs to maintain the effort for a full game, but I did like that he was more involved this week.
Boyd played pretty much as he has for the last few weeks and didn't earn a promotion, however with Cowan out he may get a gig. On the other hand Carroll was withdrawn from this game so it may be him coming in for Cowan.
Doc finding form.
Billy Wilson's best game for the club
Ben Campo keeps on showing tough nut signs.
McMahon and Phillips deserves a place on the list ahead of many others for key position depth.
Vickery is a good player and uses the ball well and Phipps Parsons showed very good signs early.
I think our senior listed guys are improving.
Ben & Lucas impressed though Lucas gives his kicks too much air.
Wilson was much improved, especially early.
Lemmey and Monaghan did some good things too.
McMahon and Philips stood up.
Duffy had a couple of good moments, particularly a spoil in the last Q.
A great win, especially with Pitto off. We really dominated play, just couldn't quite make it count.
We had the top 3 possessions getters:
Doc: 37 possessions and 4 tackles; probably BOG, with his leadership and calmness.
Ben Camporeale: 33 possessions, 5 tackles, 4 clearances and a poster: his best game so far.
Will Hayes: 31 disposals, 6 tackles and 4 clearances: he makes such a difference to our team.
Then:
Jordan Boyd: 28 possessions
Billy Wilson: 27 possessions and 11 marks: his best game also.
The post match was interesting with McMahon.
He mentioned there were a few clubs showing interest for the mid-season.
He also mentioned he'd been disappointed in the past...so he may not have been happy to have been overlooked by us.
Whatever the case, unless we give him a spot there is a very good chance he won't be part of the side for the second half of the season.
Some green shoots:
Rob Monahan: 13 possessions and looked like he had more idea. Still a way to go, but looking better.
Matt Duffy: 6 possessions and a couple of spoils. Not bad for his 1st game. Will be interesting to see how he develops in the next few weeks.
Ashton Moir: his 1st half was decent, but he didn't do a lot after half time. Still, he looked more involved.
Hudson O'Keefe: his leap to touch an otherwise certain goal was impressive. His marking wasn't bad either, but he needs to kick through his shots at goal. 13 possessions and 13 taps.
Harry Lemmey: not really involved until after Pitto went off. He then went into the ruck and competed well. A couple of spoils and tackles; much more involved.
I think Doc has found the standard that is now at his level and pace. Rather than just wallowing in the twos for the rest of the year, he should declare his intentions now. He will most definitely move into coaching, so finish off the year as senior player, on field coach, mentor and assistant to Power. (Can't 'declare' him as a coach due to the soft cap.)
A win from the 1s and the 2s, that's more like it. More of that please Baggers.
Doc is a dynamic player still has plenty to offer.
Magoos should get Cincotta back and maybe Zaccy will come back into the team for Evans.
Mid season draft in 2 weeks - one would think Liam McMahon is an easy choice to make.
I'd think they may be looking at Phillips too
I wouldn't be picking up Philips, his kicking isn't great and either is his ground game imo. I want another KP defender but I'm starting to see why he hasn't been able to make it.
I had to really temper any enthusiasm for certain players with the observation that the Zebras were awful. In fact, if not for Zak Jones, we could and should have won by much, much more. Their system going into forward 50 was dreadful.
Billy seemed our best and really liked how clean he was with the aggott.
Doc had a holiday and when given plenty of time, which he often had, his disposal was good. But the few times he was under real pressure, again disposal was wayward.
Still not convinced with McMahon. Seems a good old fashioned FF/CHF, mark and kick kind of guy. No tackles or handballs... Mmm. Of the big blokes in our side who are not AFL listed I'd be more interested in Ethan Phillips - backup key defender?
Moir doesn't inspire confidence IMHO. Another cameo-kid? Rarely shows desperation... needs to watch JSOS.
Monahan, has taken a small step forward. Good to see Duffy out there.
Lemmey looks better when forced to get into the action.
Campo boys coming along nicely, just need to work on disposal... and eliminate fumbles.
I think he'd be very good in that kind of role.
But if he does get back into the seniors....
One thing about last night was that he played a more traditional role in the position where he played his best football for us-off half back.
The big criticism recently centres around his disposal.
Further up field he doesn't always have the time and space to get the ball away efficiently.
For a lot of last night, playing back, he did have that extra time, and as a result his efficiency was much better in a high possession game.
(I would add that there was a fair bit of switching the play so his disposal figures are probably a bit padded.)
we see this in soccer a bit. Defenders like to think they can get forward and create, but there's two things that happen.
1. They play with their back facing attacking goal. This makes reading the play harder and also means you need 360 degree vision.
2. Without being able to see the game, they end up with increased pressure and are not as composed in possession.
This describes docherty somewhat. His leadership, work rate and class is what he brings to the table. Before his knee converting him to a mid sounded fine, but it might be time to shuffle the magnets around and give him license to run off half back instead and see if he can recapture form. Ive got no doubt he could make it in time as a midfielder but I remember thinking his best footy came in the Andrew mckay role and imitating bruce doull.
Apparently Matt Carroll was withdrawn from the game because he may be required for the Firsts next Friday. If true, that seems a little odd to me.
Doc was a class above the opposition but he had plenty of time to choose the best option and generally executed well. I don’t think that he’s played his last AFL game but that’s got more to do with our injury trends than his form.
Not odd. He was probably dropped in part because he needed a rest after being thrown in the deep end with what was probably a limited pre-season.
Rather than waste some time/energy playing in the 2's, he'll get slotted back to the 1's next week probably taking Cowans spot which needs to be covered.
TBH, thats about as smart as a decision as our collective MC has made in a long long time.
Tend to agree.
The last thing we needed was for Carroll to get injured in the VFL.
In that case, we probably should have rested most of the AFL listed players.
It reminds me of the storeman we once had; "You can't take that theodolite (shovel, hammer, tent, chainsaw etc), someone else may need it!"
Resting Pittonet after the heavy knock he received made sense, but Carroll should have played unless he's carrying an injury.
AFL played Friday night.
VFL Played Saturday.
We knew what injuries we had from Friday night before the VFL played.
We know we need to replace Cowan (and possibly McGovern and potentially even Haynes and Acres). Carroll, is probably the best player available to replace all of those blokes, with Docherty the other one in contention, who has been out of form, but has a battle hardened body who can cope with quick turnarounds.
So I reiterate, this is probably the smartest thing we have done as a MC for a while now.
If you forgot about the timing of the above, of don't think Carroll gets a gig next week, so be it.
However, i reckon he is an absolute lock to come in and the above is proof of that.
@DJC I didn't see the game, were we just being cautious given how fatigued TDK looked?
Pitto copped a knee to the ribs and there was some discussion about whether he was taken off because he was restricted or to ensure that he was available for Friday night. Either way, Lemmey came into the game when Pitto went off.
Data from the club:
SANDRINGHAM 1.5 2.6 5.8 6.11 (47)
CARLTON RESERVES 2.4 6.7 8.7 9.11 (65)
GOALS: Carlton: McMahon 4, Moir 2, Hayes, Nelson, Poole
BEST: Carlton: Wilson, Phillips, McMahon, Docherty, Hayes, Nelson
I don't necessarily agree. Phillips played his best game for us so far. If he could out-body today's key forwards he'd be a shoe-in for a senior spot. As it is, he is still a chance. His kicking is also something of a concern; the commentators mention it every game. :(
McMahon was decent, but not in the top 5, not in my opinion. He could have been if he hadn't sprayed his last couple of shots: 6 goals 1 would have deserved a top billing.
Doc: it is often the case that it takes a year to get back to full confidence and pace after a knee reco, so I wouldn't be surprised if Doc is thinking of playing on. He still reads the game well and is a strong body. His disposal ... herein lies the problem. Under pressure his kicking has been ordinary for quite a while. It isn't improving, as in the seniors, he is under pressure more often now.
I'd really love to see Doc back at his best, but I'm struggling to see it.
Bit surprised Luke Nelson got a mention. He was solid and dangerous, with 16 disposals and a 1 goal. He had 5 tackles, but I thought others were more significant.
Cooper Vickery was one; he had 24 disposals and 5 marks in his best game for us so far. Vickery's kicking was a mixed bag, with some ripper passes and a couple of real floaters. Still, the longer the game went on, the better he played.
I liked Kristian Ferronato as well: 19 disposals, 5 tackles and 4 clearances. He is getting more involved and looking better, after not really impressing last year.
Darcy Hogg also did some nice things, although he needs to lower his eyes when kicking into the forward 50.
Heath Ramshaw was probably down a bit, with 16 possessions, but his 8 tackles and 4 clearances show how important he is to our midfield mix. Heath has become a really good contributor at this level.
I also liked Stirling Phipps-Parsons' first half. He dropped out of the game after half time, but he did some nice things before half time. He was clean on the ground and doing the right things at the right time.
Last week a lot of scoring was done through Carroll.
Hes not the first won't be the last to struggle in his third afl game.
Keeping him fresh is a good idea, but it speaks to where our list is at from a "how fit are we" perspective.
Hopefully we are eyeing off post bye to start our season in earnest.
I dont mind Carroll, but he was a bit of a weak link defensively. Wonder what's going on with Boyd. Something not adding up there.
When Boyd was first added to the list, there was a lot of commentary about his disposal; lots of accurate, aggressive kicks that pin-pointed teammates in good positions, but too many kicks that missed targets. He ironed out the kinks and could generally be relied on to pick the best option and deliver the ball lace out. This season, his kicking is letting him down again and he seems to have more than a few brain fades that benefit the opposition.
I thought that he was a lot better last night in terms of his decision-making, kicking accuracy and concentration. He could well be back in the mix.
Pitto returned to the field and competed strongly in a contest before leaving and not returning, was he sore or did he show that he was ok and was put in cottonwool because TDK may also be sore…?
Lemmey tried to do a little ruck work but it would be a gross overstatement to suggest he made much of a contribution.
At the moment, Lemmey is looking like he won't make it. He just doesn't have the intensity required. Disappointing, but that is the way it is.
lemmey getting bad reviews in the seconds ,i suggest we move him on stop wasting time (NFL ) style ,
Lemmey is still only a lad, and talls tend to take longer than mids to get AFL ready, but he is not looking good at this point. I wouldn't be making any hasty decisions about his future, but with McMahon going significantly better, he needs to lift and show more if he is to get more time.
At least some of his problem is belief: he doesn't believe he can get to contests, so he doesn't and looks disinterested. Jack Silvagni, like his old man, never believes he won't get to a contest, so he often does when you don't expect him to. Not sure you can teach stuff like that.
Wiggins was a bit like that: if the ball was close enough, he was tenacious. But if the ball was only cms further away ...
Lemmey has excellent field kicking, can they play him further up the ground ?
Or is this where the backline theory originates ?
Lemmey tends to get squeezed out with Pitto, Skull and McMahon in the team, and his teammates didn’t give him any favours.
I think it was our first goal that he had a hand in with a linking up possession and a nice pass inside 50. He could be more value if he spent more time up the ground rather than watching the ball sail over his head or not make it to his territory close to goal.