You wouldn't want to pick us after last night's surrender.
Picking a win or loss is fraught. Can't rely on good or bad form.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on May 17, 2025, 06:26:02 pm
Hogan tends to have his way with us, SoJ in combo with Weiters and McGovern would diminish that threat, but SoJ is not going to be there.
Cripps will be sore as well.
I hope, but I'm realistic.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: laj on May 17, 2025, 06:35:54 pm
If one thinks we are inconsistent, try both GWS and Freo. GWS are down by 47pts at home to Freo.
Good luck working out who wins next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 17, 2025, 11:09:08 pm
Well they got pumped by Freo on their home deck, great :( Thanks for poking the bear for us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: rocky on May 18, 2025, 09:21:37 am
Lucky GWS have Carlton this week to play themselves back into form. ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 18, 2025, 09:39:51 am
I think we are a decent chance, the game is at Marvel and GWS have a few injuries. You would expect a rebound after losing to Freo but as the Dockers showed its the same old GWS who fold up when it gets a bit tough and they can't play their pretty football.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LordLucifer on May 19, 2025, 12:35:22 pm
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A seven-goal haul from Carlton youngster Harry Lemmey proved to be the difference as the Blues won by 30 points.
Veteran Sam Docherty continued to stake his claims for a senior recall after gathering 39 touches and six marks.
Mid-Season Draft fancy Liam McMahon slotted another four majors, while Alex Cincotta returned from a hip injury.
Docherty will come straight in now even though most Blues watchers agree his best days are behind him.
Lemmey has a blinder but that is all you will see on his resume, would the selectors be gutsy enough to give him a senior game ??
Cincotta needs more than one VFL game to show he has fully recovered from his injury plus his fitness level is up where it needs to be. Chances are, they will rush him back in desperation though.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Lods on May 19, 2025, 12:46:45 pm
If Docherty comes in he needs to play his more traditional role off half-back He's been getting plenty of it in the VFL and his accuracy has been fairly good.
There just isn't a spot for Lemmey. Who does he replace?
TDK should take Pittonet's spot. What they do with Young will be interesting because while he's not impacting directly up forward he is creating opportunities. Is he needed to replace Silvagni given the talls in defence or better left up forward?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on May 19, 2025, 02:30:09 pm
If Docherty comes in he needs to play his more traditional role off half-back He's been getting plenty of it in the VFL and his accuracy has been fairly good.
There just isn't a spot for Lemmey. Who does he replace?
TDK should take Pittonet's spot. What they do with Young will be interesting because while he's not impacting directly up forward he is creating opportunities. Is he needed to replace Silvagni given the talls in defence or better left up forward?
I would like to see if Young/Gov can cover CHB between them until SOJ is back. Young i would not give a spot too. There isn't a spot for Lemmey, i don't think he earns 1 off one game. That being said, we need to try him sooner or later. I'm not sure he gets a gig past 2025 based on performances to date, but we should try and give him a chance soon
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: madbluboy on May 19, 2025, 02:38:39 pm
Young and Weitering did well on Hogan last year in the first game.
Kemp and McGovern not so well in the rematch.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 19, 2025, 02:50:33 pm
McGovern will have to play on Toby Greene given we dont have Newman, he will want to play a lot closer to his man than he did vs the Swans. Weitering vs Hogan, Young v Riccardi Haynes vs Cadman
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Lods on May 19, 2025, 03:29:05 pm
The forward line is a dogs breakfast...it's too crowded. There's no need for all of the small forwards and we'd be better served giving them more time in the middle or dropping them and bringing up someone like Billy Wilson (we need to have a good look at the higher level, and he's had some good patches in VFL games). Ben Camporeale's disposal remains a concern, but he has gone ahead of Lucas and should probably get a taste, maybe as a sub.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: PaulP on May 19, 2025, 05:51:02 pm
Toby Greene's 250th game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on May 19, 2025, 05:56:41 pm
My perception is we aren't great in marquee type games, for or against! :o
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Professer E on May 19, 2025, 06:58:45 pm
We don't have a match up for Toby, or Green or Kelly or Whitfield or ....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: pinot on May 19, 2025, 07:05:17 pm
The forward line is a dogs breakfast...it's too crowded. There's no need for all of the small forwards and we'd be better served giving them more time in the middle or dropping them and bringing up someone like Billy Wilson (we need to have a good look at the higher level, and he's had some good patches in VFL games). Ben Camporeale's disposal remains a concern, but he has gone ahead of Lucas and should probably get a taste, maybe as a sub.
I'd like to see us loosen the shackles and encourage boldness with run, spread and carry.
Agree that the forward line is a dog's breakfast, but so is the delivery into the forward 50 arc. System? Personnel? Both? I'd definitely remove Motlop and Evans to be replaced by Fogary and Williams. With Acres to replace Boyd.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: RiverRat on May 20, 2025, 12:36:11 pm
Lemmey has a blinder but that is all you will see on his resume, would the selectors be gutsy enough to give him a senior game ??
Hopefully not; first time I have seen Lemmey show enough to even consider him for selection.
Having watched the game, I note that most of his marks were either uncontested or one-on-one against an opponent who lacked the size or strength to impose any physical pressure on him.
Very good kick for goal and still very young but I would need to see much more to be convinced that he could provide a useful contribution in the AFL with the 'kick to a pack' option that the Blues consistently employ.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 20, 2025, 03:18:19 pm
We don't have a match up for Toby, or Green or Kelly or Whitfield or ....
Prof, Agree on Toby, probably have to be McGovern who is problematic in being able to play close for extended periods. Green always goes head to head with Cripps and they tend to cancel each other out.....Kelly is injured, Whitfield needs a minder. Ward will probably mind Hewett and I reckon Bedford will go to Walsh. For me a bigger problem is where are the goals coming from, GWS have the best KP defensive duo in the game in Taylor and Buckley and our small forwards really need to step up because I dont see Charlie and Harry kicking a lot of goals this game. I think our main hope is TDK dominating Briggs who is a solid ruckman but nothing brilliant.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: pew2 on May 20, 2025, 03:27:46 pm
can Voss and Co come up with a different plan going fwd ,something like zac williams playing ff with space or Gov (1 Q) harry and charlie to run out wide ??????
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: shawny on May 20, 2025, 06:50:20 pm
No Kelly, Coniglio, Callaghan and no Daniels.
That is a very talented group missing.
Not going to get them much weaker then this and its in Melb.
Just have to win this.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: rocky on May 20, 2025, 07:10:48 pm
Not going to get them much weaker then this and its in Melb.
Just have to win this.
This is a direct cut and paste of a post I submitted from the Sydney Pre Game thread;
The problem is we've been in these positions before and failed miserably to such an extent where we actually assist the opposition in playing themselves into form. I have no confidence in any game this year.
Until the cycle is broken this will continue to occur
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 20, 2025, 08:57:42 pm
Not going to get them much weaker then this and its in Melb.
Just have to win this.
This is a direct cut and paste of a post I submitted from the Sydney Pre Game thread;
The problem is we've been in these positions before and failed miserably to such an extent where we actually assist the opposition in playing themselves into form. I have no confidence in any game this year.
Until the cycle is broken this will continue to occur
Its the Carlton Roller Coaster, which section are we in this week? Uphill, downhill or a flat section? We are likely to come and smash them this week. Who knows.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: townsendcalling on May 20, 2025, 10:33:35 pm
Williams won't be available this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Professer E on May 21, 2025, 07:59:25 am
Never available when you need him, another player you can't trust.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Baggers on May 21, 2025, 08:39:29 am
The Midgets are in very ordinary form and missing key play makers. We tend to do alright against sides in this predicament... well, excluding the Fluffy Ducks game!
The lads will be smarting after the Fluffy Ducks game and have too much character to capitulate/put in a poor one. The coaching group can support the lads by encouraging a focus on run and spread... boldness.
Hopefully some of those 'tests' (TDK, Acres, Fog & JSOS) come up. Doc will probably return, in the Magoos he seems to have worked on disposal by foot and eliminated the kick and hope, and balloon kicks. Cinc was rusty early in the Magoos but improved as the game wore on... sub? Billy Wilson? Lemmey for Young? More time up forward for Crippa?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 22, 2025, 11:27:13 am
Word on the street is HOF to debut v GWS.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Lods on May 22, 2025, 12:27:06 pm
If he plays it probably means that Young won't...assuming TDK comes in for Pittonet.
It's O'Farrell. I'm think he comes in for JSOS. Young will play forward possibly. The 3 talls is working ok up forward. Also means we get to pick less small forwards, which can only be a good thing right now...lol. Guessing our best smaller forward in Williams will return.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: rocky on May 22, 2025, 01:42:14 pm
To be fair O'Farrell did have a fairly good game (maybe his best?) last week in the magoos. It's nice to see a player get rewarded for a change.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Lods on May 22, 2025, 01:45:26 pm
I thought he was still a way off, but he has shown some glimpses...good luck for his debut.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 22, 2025, 02:45:52 pm
Maybe we are looking at development now for the rest of the season, I probably would have gone with another running type like Wilson or Charleson if we are experimenting vs GWS who play pretty football and like to spread and run. Looking for opponents he might be suited to down back I reckon Cadman would be the most likely size wise and also has the least experience and maturity. Good luck Harry and may you be a winner like your father usually is at the tribunal....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on May 22, 2025, 02:49:23 pm
Starting to get to the time of the year where we need to think about some list management for 2026 and beyond. Will Haynes go around again given his age? Is McGoverns body going to continue to deterioate to the point we can't rely on him. Will he be able to cover for Jack Silvagni if he is collatoral damage from keeping TDK on the list? Can we afford to trade away Young to the highest bidder?
I reckon it might be a bit too soon for HOF at AFL level, but if it helps answer the above questions, why not give him a go.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: crashlander on May 22, 2025, 02:54:34 pm
Harry O'Farrell conformed for Saturday. The rest pf the team will be available from 18:20 tonight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on May 22, 2025, 05:59:55 pm
Elijah will be an out.....playing the 'mental health' card again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on May 22, 2025, 06:21:46 pm
IN: O'Farrell, Docherty, De Koning, Acres, Fogarty OUT: Silvagni, Boyd, Pittonet, E. Hollands, Evans
Seems to be about as good as we could hope for.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: tex on May 22, 2025, 06:43:24 pm
I'm quoting an afl coach who said you don't win too many games making 5 changes. I've used it evey time and its only gone against me once.
Fair call. For me it depends on the changes but fair enough. For me SOS aside, that's as strong a line up as we can field.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Professer E on May 22, 2025, 08:54:35 pm
This kid will make a decent key defender - but not yet. I hope we don't break him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 22, 2025, 09:05:39 pm
Blues by 17 points....dont mind our ins and they have a lot of good players out plus they are away from home and I think we will rebound and hang on with them coming hard late. Elijah Hollands missing again is a worry and Im not sure if we need to consider giving him the rest of the season off to get right rather than him having a break every now and then.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: crashlander on May 22, 2025, 09:20:02 pm
Our line-up for Saturday:
Carlton
B: [33] Lewis Young [23] Jacob Weitering [42] Adam Saad HB: [4] Oliver Hollands [22] Harry O'Farrell [11] Mitch McGovern C: [18] Sam Walsh [9] Patrick Cripps [25] Jaxon Binns HF: [19] Corey Durdin [30] Charlie Curnow [36] Cooper Lord F: [8] Lachie Fogarty [10] Harry McKay [3] Jesse Motlop R: [12] Tom De Koning [5] Adam Cerra [29] George Hewett Int: [26] Nick Haynes [32] Matthew Carroll [13] Blake Acres [38] Will White [15] Sam Docherty
Em: [27] Marc Pittonet [44] Francis Evans [21] Lucas Camporeale
Our defence is a worry without Silvagni, but ... Hope Harry O'Farrell has a good game, even if I think his body isn't ready for that. A matchup for Toby Greene is also an interesting conundrum.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Professer E on May 22, 2025, 10:47:00 pm
A lot of kids going around this week, changing of the guard?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: townsendcalling on May 22, 2025, 10:57:56 pm
like i said GWS have 5 players missing all top players so once again if we lose this game we are cooked for 25
That works both ways though; we're missing six of our best 22, potentially seven if Smith is as good as he seemed.
Both teams have their best possible sides on the park and, on paper at least, it looks like an even contest. I suspect that it's what's going on above the shoulders that will determine the result ... and we simply can't afford to drop this one!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Baggers on May 23, 2025, 04:14:27 pm
like i said GWS have 5 players missing all top players so once again if we lose this game we are cooked for 25
That works both ways though; we're missing six of our best 22, potentially seven if Smith is as good as he seemed.
Both teams have their best possible sides on the park and, on paper at least, it looks like an even contest. I suspect that it's what's going on above the shoulders that will determine the result ... and we simply can't afford to drop this one!
Absolutely. On paper, pretty even. Strangely optimistic here. Our boys do have character and I'm pretty certain that'll surface. We're only a dash of boldness, an extra handball going into forward 50 and delivery to the best option (not on top of H or Charles) to put a big, winning score up in lights at Marvel.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: townsendcalling on May 23, 2025, 08:00:08 pm
This will be the first time this year that both Charlie and Harry have played together under the roof, in the controlled conditions of Marvel. Does that count for anything??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 24, 2025, 06:36:39 am
This will be the first time this year that both Charlie and Harry have played together under the roof, in the controlled conditions of Marvel. Does that count for anything??
I can never be confident of playing GWS at Marvel, that fateful day where they beat us by 100+ pts, with only 16 men on the field at times, still haunts me.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on May 24, 2025, 12:21:17 pm