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Cowan is another who needs more senior time.

Tired of the same old blokes running around in the ones doing F-all week after week.

Port had Butters, Farrell and Bergman delivering majority of I50 with 70% accuracy

We had Lord, Fogarty and Charlie with 48% accuracy

We are going to face Collingwood that have Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Daicos and few others that go at 70% +

It's Vaseline time.

Yep agree. The only thing is as they are playing for a premiership they only need the 4 points so may not be interested in killing us and once the game is banked like at QT they may conserve themself.

Quote from: shawny – on June 27, 2025, 10:46:21 am

Yep agree. The only thing is as they are playing for a premiership they only need the 4 points so may not be interested in killing us and once the game is banked like at QT they may conserve themself.

Teams with that mentality do not win flags, it's a sign of arrogance, it's the coaches job to drum it out of them and they would love nothing more than to pile on the pain.

I shudder to think about this game. If we play like last night we will get shredded!

play man on man for 3 Q old fashion way need to make coll players accountable no room ,flood there fwd line no space , and in last Q we out run them ,like a well timed racehorse .

We agree on one thing at least - Acres needs to be sent out for whatever op he needs because he has deadset stunk.  Im not sure of his contract situation but I'd think long and hard about renewing it.
Saad would be close to running around at Willy next week too if he had any awareness whatsoever. 

The best teams plan and plan everything to the finest detail.

Quote from: shawny – on June 27, 2025, 11:31:56 am

The best teams plan and plan everything to the finest detail.

They may start resting players, but whoever the players are that go out there will go at 100%, nothing is sure because the players on the fringe of selection are battling for a spot!

Quote from: Professer E – on June 27, 2025, 03:59:55 pm

We agree on one thing at least - Acres needs to be sent out for whatever op he needs because he has deadset stunk.  Im not sure of his contract situation but I'd think long and hard about renewing it.
Saad would be close to running around at Willy next week too if he had any awareness whatsoever. 

Few rumours around that this might be Saad's last year.
If he went out for concussion he won't be playing anyway

contracted for next year so I doubt it, but players retire early all the time.

Quote from: shawny – on June 27, 2025, 11:31:56 am

The best teams plan and plan everything to the finest detail.

They may start resting players, but whoever the players are that go out there will go at 100%, nothing is sure because the players on the fringe of selection are battling for a spot!

We had a lot of senior players have poor games last night:
[1] Jacob Weitering, who didn't look close to fit. He might be better after a slightly longer break, but he struggled last night. He did not look engaged or passionate at any stage last night, or in recent games.
[2] Blake Acres, who hasn't really been fit his year. He was ordinary and had only 11 possessions. He needs to be fixed, so he's ready for 2026. Hard to send him away for repairs, he does give his all, even with the shizen disposals
[3] Jack Silvagni, who played his worst game for the year. He really struggled to get near the ball on an important night for the Silvagni name. Looked lost and dispirited
[4] Mitch McGovern, who had the night from Hell. If our kicking into the forward line wasn't bad enough (and it wasn't good), when he finally got the ball he shanked like the ads on TV. Missing gettable goals from simple shots is heart breaking. Was woeful
[5] Adam Saad - the concussion protocols might be a blessing in disguise, as Saady has been struggling. Give him a break and he will be better for it. Yep, then let him off the leash to do what running half backs do. Stupid to ask him to be a lock-down defender, and a waste.
[6] Lachie Fogarty had a night from Hell. His decision making was awful, as was his kicking when he finally got his hands on the ball.' Good Magoos player. When he can't get a game, we're making progress.
[7] Tom de Koning was thrashed in the ruck by Sweet and Visentini, who did what rucks are supposed to do, give their mids first use. Tom didn't. He didn't take many marks and his kicking was atrocious. Checked out. Seemed angry.
[8] Charlie Curnow: There were some good signs from Charlie, like his willingness to chase and tackle, but his kicking, usually elite, was excremental and didn't get close to targets. He was engaged and got amongst it, about bloody time.
[9] Orazio Fantasia had a few nice minutes late in the game, but when the game was there to be won, he wasn't there. And he missed easy goals as well. One of our few small forwards who seemed almost, semi dangerous.
[10] George Hewett had his worst game of the year. He struggled to get near the ball. At least he tackled; he had 9 of them. If effort and spirit for the contest amount to anything, this bloke was, and remains, a bloody ripper.
[11] Patrick Cripps also struggled, which was no surprise when he was sick all week. However, his ruck work was more effective than Tom's was. Should not have put his hand up to play - selfish and poor leadership and understanding of what he could really offer
[12] Lewis Young: what was he doing? he offered nothing as a forward, a defender or a ruckman. At least he kicked our 1st goal, our only 1st half goal!

That is more than half of our team!
At least Haynes can hold his head up; he did a fine job. Can he play next season? I hope so. Showed bona fide leadership qualities, must play next year and be in the leadership group.
Doc tried, but wasn't very effective. Must retire to lead the Magoos, now. His panicky kicks under pressure are a huge liability and deflate the group.
Ollie Hollands and Zac Williams weren't that bad either. Agree. Voting is going to very difficult this week!

We would need a huge turnaround from these guys to be competitive against Collingwood, which I just cannot see at the moment. But we should be looking at replacing some of the 12 guys I mentioned, as they were issues at the moment. Yep.

All I want for Christmas are two half forwards that can spot a player on the lead and hit the target.

We actually have a few - Cottrell, Smith, E Hollands, Young.

It's true injuries/rehab have killed us in this part of the game.. but still no excuse to not persist with others in this critical role. Boyd, Carroll, Moir are good kicks of the football... there is no excuse kicking the can down the road and not trying to fill this important role despite players missing.

The very least we can do though is make them earn it.
Hit them hard and make them fight for every possession and every goal.
Get up in their faces and pressure them for four quarters.......

I can't think of a single reason as to how we win this game other than one....overconfidence on their part.
But it is Collingwood so the chances of that are slim.

The very least we can do though is make them earn it.
Hit them hard and make them fight for every possession and every goal.
Get up in their faces and pressure them for four quarters.......
And then I woke up :(  :(  :(

One thing not being discussed is thast modern footy's extreme running style tactic has a significant impact when teams have a short break. We went from playing to the death against Norp to being run over by Port on an interstate trip just 5 days later.

This week we have 8 days to prepare for the Filth's who have only 6, let's hope WCE front up and push them to the death tonight.

Port also had a 5 day break.

Boyd, Carroll, Moir are good kicks of the football... there is no excuse kicking the can down the road and not trying to fill this important role despite players missing.

From a Facebook poster who went to training.

"I'm hearing Cowan, Moir and Evans will get a call up this week. Training session lacked any hunger and the skill execution was horrendous.  Same same".

In the days I used to go to  training, was in the Social Club then, 1981-82, training was always a good indicator of the next weeks performance. Needless to say it was usually pretty sharp but when it stunk the next week's game often stunk.

Rubbish.

SoS and Saad out, probably Billy as well. 
Likely ins Cowan and OFarrell.  After that, Fog is probably looking at the twos as well.

Quote from: laj – on July 01, 2025, 03:37:45 pm

From a Facebook poster who went to training.

"I'm hearing Cowan, Moir and Evans will get a call up this week. Training session lacked any hunger and the skill execution was horrendous.  Same same".

In the days I used to go to  training, was in the Social Club then, 1981-82, training was always a good indicator of the next weeks performance. Needless to say it was usually pretty sharp but when it stunk the next week's game often stunk.

If that's the case the players have checked out and they've learnt or listened to nothing.

Quote from: Professer E – on July 01, 2025, 04:41:22 pm

Rubbish.

SoS and Saad out, probably Billy as well. 
Likely ins Cowan and OFarrell.  After that, Fog is probably looking at the twos as well.

Could well be.

Must admit that poster did nail  it the last time he said it. Doesn't mean he will this time thought. might have be a coincidence last time.

Anyway, the lack of any hunger at training is more an issue.

Quote from: laj – on July 01, 2025, 06:16:11 pm

Could well be.

Must admit that poster did nail  it the last time he said it. Doesn't mean he will this time thought. might have be a coincidence last time.

Anyway, the lack of any hunger at training is more an issue.

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 01, 2025, 06:35:39 pm

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.

I know i'm not the only one, but i've been calling for Lemmey for weeks now for the above reason and to spare the injured players we currently have. Not many who haven't been given a crack yet, but he is one.

We have played 39 players this year.

Only players not to play....
Newman - out for year
Smith - out for year
Monaghan - irish rookie
Duffy - irish rookie
Ben Camporeale - should play this week
Lemmey - should play this week
Charleson - showed something in the VFL this week

For the record, only the bombers have used more players than us, 1 more, with 40.
1 other team has used 37
a few other teams have used 36.

Ladder position - team - players used
1st - pies 33
2nd - Lions 33
3rd - Crows 31
4th - Cats 30
...
8th - Suns 32
......
16th - Kangaroos - 33

The rest of the 8, 12th, 14th and last have used 34 players.....everyone else is more.

Shows a very distinct correlation of injuries/players used and ladder position.
Hard for us to make it near the pointy end when year on year, we have to use more players than just about everyone else.

Quote from: laj – on July 01, 2025, 06:16:11 pm

Could well be.

Must admit that poster did nail  it the last time he said it. Doesn't mean he will this time thought. might have be a coincidence last time.

Anyway, the lack of any hunger at training is more an issue.

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 01, 2025, 06:35:39 pm

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.

I know i'm not the only one, but i've been calling for Lemmey for weeks now for the above reason and to spare the injured players we currently have. Not many who haven't been given a crack yet, but he is one.

We have played 39 players this year.

Only players not to play....
Newman - out for year
Smith - out for year
Monaghan - irish rookie
Duffy - irish rookie
Ben Camporeale - should play this week
Lemmey - should play this week
Charleson - showed something in the VFL this week

For the record, only the bombers have used more players than us, 1 more, with 40.
1 other team has used 37
a few other teams have used 36.

Ladder position - team - players used
1st - pies 33
2nd - Lions 33
3rd - Crows 31
4th - Cats 30
...
8th - Suns 32
......
16th - Kangaroos - 33

The rest of the 8, 12th, 14th and last have used 34 players.....everyone else is more.

Shows a very distinct correlation of injuries/players used and ladder position.
Hard for us to make it near the pointy end when year on year, we have to use more players than just about everyone else.

Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN?  Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.

Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN?  Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 01, 2025, 07:58:21 pm

Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN?  Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.

2023 the same players used to execute. Has to be alot to do with attitude.

Quote from: laj – on July 01, 2025, 09:17:46 pm

2023 the same players used to execute. Has to be alot to do with attitude.

To my eye, we have always been poorly skilled/poor decision makers by comparison to top teams for several years. Whether it be in front of goal, clos ing out games, being master of the no look hack kick out of defence, ability to close out games, stop scoring runs etc. The game in 2025 demands players use the ball very well (I wont say elite but..) compared to 2024 and 2023. To my novice eye, 2023 and 2025 are poles apart with respect to game speed and ball movement. The list managers who picked this trend are thriving, those who didn't...

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 01, 2025, 07:58:21 pm

Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN?  Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.

2023 the same players used to execute. Has to be alot to do with attitude.

Quote from: laj – on July 01, 2025, 09:17:46 pm

2023 the same players used to execute. Has to be alot to do with attitude.

Not the same players. The team is vastly different.

Newman and Kemp.

Like I said we are missing plenty from that season.

I'm not saying we should have kept those players but we didn't replace them. We went for youth and that means we have to go backwards to go forwards.

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 02, 2025, 04:12:34 pm

I'm not saying we should have kept those players but we didn't replace them. We went for youth and that means we have to go backwards to go forwards.

Agree, but I'm thinking the non chasing Houston was an error as he would have had an instant impact for us.

Id argue Voss was hired to win a premiership and not build a list and that adding established players to fill holes on your list was what most clubs would do when in the premiership window.

Id argue Voss was hired to win a premiership and not build a list and that adding established players to fill holes on your list was what most clubs would do when in the premiership window.

We went to the draft last year after losing a few seasoned footballers and then replaced them with the likes of Evans! 

And then we wonder why we went backwards.

Quote from: shawny – on July 02, 2025, 07:22:36 pm

We went to the draft last year after losing a few seasoned footballers and then replaced them with the likes of Evans! 

And then we wonder why we went backwards.

Some of us were VERY pissed off with the list direction in the off-season flagging that had not improved our list in the off-season.
Some of us were VERY strongly aiming the cross-hairs on Lloyd and the recruiting department for taking this direction.

Voss is coping all the flack, when he was essentially set up to fail by the above.

The cherry on top was 'the saviour' doing his knee and being out for the year.

Quote from: kruddler – on July 02, 2025, 07:50:57 pm

Some of us were VERY pissed off with the list direction in the off-season flagging that had not improved our list in the off-season.
Some of us were VERY strongly aiming the cross-hairs on Lloyd and the recruiting department for taking this direction.

Voss is coping all the flack, when he was essentially set up to fail by the above.

The cherry on top was 'the saviour' doing his knee and being out for the year.

while i agree the LM decisions are bewildering imo Voss is still not the man. he is controlling a team that was supposed to be playing deep into sept yet lost to cellar dwellers in Richmond, North and pumped by Port.

Cant blame the LM for that.

Quote from: shawny – on July 02, 2025, 08:18:57 pm

while i agree the LM decisions are bewildering imo Voss is still not the man. he is controlling a team that was supposed to be playing deep into sept yet lost to cellar dwellers in Richmond, North and pumped by Port.

Cant blame the LM for that.

Yes and no. LM drafts players on football ability and character. Gimme a hard working, loyal B grader who would run through brick walls for the jumper and the coach over an A grade sook who throws the toys out of the pram when it all gets too hard.

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 02, 2025, 04:12:34 pm

I'm not saying we should have kept those players but we didn't replace them. We went for youth and that means we have to go backwards to go forwards.

Agree, but I'm thinking the non chasing Houston was an error as he would have had an instant impact for us.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 02, 2025, 05:42:46 pm

Agree, but I'm thinking the non chasing Houston was an error as he would have had an instant impact for us.

Probably still be 6 -9.  Our issues are more than that. We have to put a hold on opinions, re Houston, until we see how Jagga, Campo and O'Farrell go. Given our efforts this year we may have got that right. Given our attitude and committment this year Houston would have been a waste. May as well hit the future.

Given the lack of any announcement from CFC, I guess it means that once again they are not prepared to give Harry Lemmey a try out at AFL level.  If so disappointing!

Ab

Quote from: Adelaideblue – on July 03, 2025, 04:29:35 pm

Given the lack of any announcement from CFC, I guess it means that once again they are not prepared to give Harry Lemmey a try out at AFL level.  If so disappointing!

Ab

Agree, If I was Lemmey Id want out and try my luck at Port Adelaide back in SA who are looking for tall forwards to support Georgiades.

It will be the same old BS, Evans will come in, do SFA and go out the following week.

What's the plan?

CARLTON

In: L.Cowan, A.Moir, M.Carroll, F.Evans, H.O'Farrell, M.Pittonet
Out: J.Boyd (omitted), A.Saad (concussion), J.Silvagni (groin), A.Cincotta (omitted), B.Wilson (omitted), L.Young (omitted)

R16 sub: Flynn Young

The ins are probably those who performed well in the VFL last week.
Ben Camporeale the only other one who perhaps deserved a go.
So from that point of view they're not surprising selections.

Cincotta out surprises as there are a number of 'run with' roles he could perform
Wilson probably should have been given a couple more games.

What's the plan?

Quote from: Blue Moon – on July 03, 2025, 06:41:00 pm

What's the plan?

I'll probably watch the next Harry Potter film (#6, I think) with the kids and eat popcorn.

Quote from: Lods – on July 03, 2025, 06:39:19 pm

The ins are probably those who performed well in the VFL last week.
Ben Camporeale the only other one who perhaps deserved a go.
So from that point of view they're not surprising selections.

Cincotta out surprises as there are a number of 'run with' roles he could perform
Wilson probably should have been given a couple more games.

Yep, very surprising to see Cinc being left out.

Strange selections. I change my prediction to Collingwood by 65 points.

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 03, 2025, 07:05:28 pm

Strange selections. I change my prediction to Collingwood by 65 points.

Could be a cricket score.

It might be as simple as too many younger players and underdone seniors.  Cincotta played poorly last week but he wasn't the lone ranger.

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 03, 2025, 08:02:58 pm

It might be as simple as too many younger players and underdone seniors.  Cincotta played poorly last week but he wasn't the lone ranger.

Doc Gov Charlie Acres De Koning to name a few were worse than Cincotta.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 03, 2025, 08:09:40 pm

Doc Gov Charlie Acres De Koning to name a few were worse than Cincotta.

8 disposals 2 tackles.  He was rubbish.

The others were too, but he's not a key player and we all know it.  The bloke he was tagging was one of their best and got it 30 times.

Selection same as usual. Just drop the low hanging fruit and pick some speckies who can be used as cannon fodder next week after we get flogged

Tonight is where Carlton starts its own version of Dry July....lol.

Not sure if it's already mentioned, but this will be Cripps' 150th game as skipper. Outstanding career by any measure. Has endured more failures, false starts, false dawns, U turns and hiccups than most. A dead set legend. Well played Crippa.

Quote from: laj – on July 04, 2025, 12:58:31 pm

Tonight is where Carlton starts its own version of Dry July....lol.

Carlton supporters on the other end increase their consumption over this same period!

Not sure if it's already mentioned, but this will be Cripps' 150th game as skipper. Outstanding career by any measure. Has endured more failures, false starts, false dawns, U turns and hiccups than most. A dead set legend. Well played Crippa.

Quote from: PaulP – on July 04, 2025, 03:53:48 pm

Not sure if it's already mentioned, but this will be Cripps' 150th game as skipper. Outstanding career by any measure. Has endured more failures, false starts, false dawns, U turns and hiccups than most. A dead set legend. Well played Crippa.

Didn't realize it was a milestone game.

Pies by 70 points.

Poor bugger.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 04, 2025, 05:12:31 pm

Poor bugger.

I'm sure there are moments when he wonders if it's all been worth it. It won't be for any lack of trying on his part if we don't win that seemingly elusive premiership before he retires.

Quote from: PaulP – on July 04, 2025, 05:58:19 pm

I'm sure there are moments when he wonders if it's all been worth it. It won't be for any lack of trying on his part if we don't win that seemingly elusive premiership before he retires.

I cant see a premiership before he retires unfortunately.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 04, 2025, 06:10:50 pm

I cant see a premiership before he retires unfortunately.

Fremantle are building a decent list, a new coach and Cripps as captain and they might be a chance. I think if he stays with us he might be better off resigning the captaincy and just concentrating on playing rather than having to spend his time defending the club off the field every week and it might freshen him up.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 04, 2025, 06:18:24 pm

Fremantle are building a decent list, a new coach and Cripps as captain and they might be a chance. I think if he stays with us he might be better off resigning the captaincy and just concentrating on playing rather than having to spend his time defending the club off the field every week and it might freshen him up.

I think Cripps is the perfect bloke to defend the club.
His natural laid back nature is able to deflect the questions with a smile on his face. He always looks relaxed which is what you need at present.
Last thing you want is a bloke coming out and saying how hard it is on everyone and it showing on their face and in their body language.

Not sure he'd go to Freo if he left, he was a West Coast man back in the day.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 04, 2025, 06:18:24 pm

Fremantle are building a decent list, a new coach and Cripps as captain and they might be a chance. I think if he stays with us he might be better off resigning the captaincy and just concentrating on playing rather than having to spend his time defending the club off the field every week and it might freshen him up.

I think Cripps is the perfect bloke to defend the club.
His natural laid back nature is able to deflect the questions with a smile on his face. He always looks relaxed which is what you need at present.
Last thing you want is a bloke coming out and saying how hard it is on everyone and it showing on their face and in their body language.

Not sure he'd go to Freo if he left, he was a West Coast man back in the day.

I cant see a premiership before he retires unfortunately.

Agree. Speaks much better than Brad Lloyd who  is our Football Manager.
That interview he gave after the Port game was a train wreck.

Quote from: pertz – on July 04, 2025, 06:29:41 pm

Agree. Speaks much better than Brad Lloyd who  is our Football Manager.
That interview he gave after the Port game was a train wreck.

Lloyd is not a good speaker but the words and sentiments were quite honest and correct IMO.
Sorry, don't agree Paul. He rambled on and wasn't convincing.
Just need to give short, sharp possitive answers in those situations.

I'm scared of tonight.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 04, 2025, 06:44:22 pm

I'm scared of tonight.

We all are. There could be carnage if the Pies are in the mood.

My concern isn't really with the result. We are struggling, have made several changes etc and Collingwood are flying. My concern is the reaction to the result, that the anger, fulmination and irrationality is going to make the club jittery. That's the worrying part for those of us who are keen to see us break this cycle.

My concern isn't really with the result. We are struggling, have made several changes etc and Collingwood are flying. My concern is the reaction to the result, that the anger, fulmination and irrationality is going to make the club jittery. That's the worrying part for those of us who are keen to see us break this cycle.