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Title: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on June 26, 2025, 10:22:55 pm
11th vs 1st on a Friday night. Thankfully, I can get to this one: I hate Thursday night football. Not expecting anything of significance, not the way we're playing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on June 26, 2025, 10:25:53 pm
You may regret that 'thankfully' this time next friday Crash.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on June 26, 2025, 10:26:47 pm
I'll go. I dont want to, but ill go.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 26, 2025, 10:29:40 pm
No chance. Coll by lots
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on June 26, 2025, 10:56:04 pm
im not joking when i say this but i wouldnt be confident playing their reserve team.
we are a rabble. They are a well coached professional football club.
Will be a real big loss.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 27, 2025, 09:30:01 am
I want Cowan Harry OF and at least one Campo.
No Saad. No Acres and probably no Weeters or Chuck.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on June 27, 2025, 09:36:23 am
Port had Butters, Farrell and Bergman delivering majority of I50 with 70% accuracy
We had Lord, Fogarty and Charlie with 48% accuracy
We are going to face Collingwood that have Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Daicos and few others that go at 70% +
It's Vaseline time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on June 27, 2025, 09:37:43 am
I think we will do better. Collingwood by 28 points.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on June 27, 2025, 09:43:28 am
I know everyone wants Lemmey to play, and I personally was against him playing because I dont think he is ready, but he might give Charlie some freedom if he can get his running patterns right.
Harry O Farrell is a lot more of a mobile defender, and this week could be a good week to bring him in.
Ben Camporeale was the other who gave a good account against the North Melbourne reserves.
We will find out a bit about the youngsters in waiting tomorrow night against Port Melbourne. It probably wont be pretty. Port are a good VFL side usually but they are currently sitting 16th on the ladder out of 21 (we are 14th).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 27, 2025, 10:31:30 am
Cowan is another who needs more senior time.
Tired of the same old blokes running around in the ones doing F-all week after week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on June 27, 2025, 10:34:32 am
Port had Butters, Farrell and Bergman delivering majority of I50 with 70% accuracy
We had Lord, Fogarty and Charlie with 48% accuracy
We are going to face Collingwood that have Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Daicos and few others that go at 70% +
It's Vaseline time.
Yep agree. The only thing is as they are playing for a premiership they only need the 4 points so may not be interested in killing us and once the game is banked like at QT they may conserve themself.
Remember this is an organised professional outfit who does what they need to to get the job done. Us on the other hand....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 27, 2025, 10:51:10 am
Yep agree. The only thing is as they are playing for a premiership they only need the 4 points so may not be interested in killing us and once the game is banked like at QT they may conserve themself.
Teams with that mentality do not win flags, it's a sign of arrogance, it's the coaches job to drum it out of them and they would love nothing more than to pile on the pain.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on June 27, 2025, 10:57:12 am
Depends who's coaching us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on June 27, 2025, 11:31:56 am
Yep agree. The only thing is as they are playing for a premiership they only need the 4 points so may not be interested in killing us and once the game is banked like at QT they may conserve themself.
Teams with that mentality do not win flags, it's a sign of arrogance, it's the coaches job to drum it out of them and they would love nothing more than to pile on the pain.
The best teams plan and plan everything to the finest detail.
Pies rested 4 of their stars for a Freo game interstate and said that was planned in their off season planning about when to give their older players a rest. And they get the 4 points.
They are 1st 2 games clear and we are done for the year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on June 27, 2025, 12:33:44 pm
I shudder to think about this game. If we play like last night we will get shredded!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 27, 2025, 01:38:27 pm
I shudder to think about this game. If we play like last night we will get shredded!
Get the recycling bin out then coz youre gonna fill it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pew2 on June 27, 2025, 02:39:28 pm
play man on man for 3 Q old fashion way need to make coll players accountable no room ,flood there fwd line no space , and in last Q we out run them ,like a well timed racehorse .
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 27, 2025, 03:03:53 pm
play man on man for 3 Q old fashion way need to make coll players accountable no room ,flood there fwd line no space , and in last Q we out run them ,like a well timed racehorse .
Think we have to hope its a wet day and stoppage fest where Cripps, Hewett etc can dominate, any running style of game will see us cooked at 1/4 time. Port ran us ragged and exhausted our petrol tickets to the point we gave up chasing and then just did what they liked, they throttled back in the last and cruised but we were so cooked it didnt matter. Id be starting Flynn Young and playing Lemmey at FF and Charlie at CHF so the latter can run around and play a bit of a Jeremy Cameron style game, Lemmey's task would be to prevent Moore from intercepting everything and dragging him out of the play and if he kicks a couple of goals then thats a bonus. Ben Campo to come in too, Id rest Acres, he is cooked and needs a rest, Id have BenC follow Sidebottom around for educational purposes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 27, 2025, 03:59:55 pm
We agree on one thing at least - Acres needs to be sent out for whatever op he needs because he has deadset stunk. Im not sure of his contract situation but I'd think long and hard about renewing it. Saad would be close to running around at Willy next week too if he had any awareness whatsoever.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on June 27, 2025, 04:23:33 pm
We agree on one thing at least - Acres needs to be sent out for whatever op he needs because he has deadset stunk. Im not sure of his contract situation but I'd think long and hard about renewing it. Saad would be close to running around at Willy next week too if he had any awareness whatsoever.
Few rumours around that this might be Saad's last year. If he went out for concussion he won't be playing anyway
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on June 27, 2025, 04:40:13 pm
We had a lot of senior players have poor games last night: [1] Jacob Weitering, who didn't look close to fit. He might be better after a slightly longer break, but he struggled last night. [2] Blake Acres, who hasn't really been fit his year. He was ordinary and had only 11 possessions. He needs to be fixed, so he's ready for 2026. [3] Jack Silvagni, who played his worst game for the year. He really struggled to get near the ball on an important night for the Silvagni name. [4] Mitch McGovern, who had the night from Hell. If our kicking into the forward line wasn't bad enough (and it wasn't good), when he finally got the ball he shanked like the ads on TV. Missing gettable goals from simple shots is heart breaking. [5] Adam Saad - the concussion protocols might be a blessing in disguise, as Saady has been struggling. Give him a break and he will be better for it. [6] Lachie Fogarty had a night from Hell. His decision making was awful, as was his kicking when he finally got his hands on the ball.' [7] Tom de Koning was thrashed in the ruck by Sweet and Visentini, who did what rucks are supposed to do, give their mids first use. Tom didn't. He didn't take many marks and his kicking was atrocious. [8] Charlie Curnow: There were some good signs from Charlie, like his willingness to chase and tackle, but his kicking, usually elite, was excremental and didn't get close to targets. [9] Orazio Fantasia had a few nice minutes late in the game, but when the game was there to be won, he wasn't there. And he missed easy goals as well. [10] George Hewett had his worst game of the year. He struggled to get near the ball. At least he tackled; he had 9 of them. [11] Patrick Cripps also struggled, which was no surprise when he was sick all week. However, his ruck work was more effective than Tom's was. [12] Lewis Young: what was he doing? he offered nothing as a forward, a defender or a ruckman. At least he kicked our 1st goal, our only 1st half goal!
That is more than half of our team! At least Haynes can hold his head up; he did a fine job. Can he play next season? I hope so. Doc tried, but wasn't very effective. Ollie Hollands and Zac Williams weren't that bad either. Voting is going to very difficult this week!
We would need a huge turnaround from these guys to be competitive against Collingwood, which I just cannot see at the moment. But we should be looking at replacing some of the 12 guys I mentioned, as they were issues at the moment.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 27, 2025, 05:17:19 pm
The best teams plan and plan everything to the finest detail.
They may start resting players, but whoever the players are that go out there will go at 100%, nothing is sure because the players on the fringe of selection are battling for a spot!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on June 27, 2025, 05:20:54 pm
The best teams plan and plan everything to the finest detail.
They may start resting players, but whoever the players are that go out there will go at 100%, nothing is sure because the players on the fringe of selection are battling for a spot!
Id rather face their A team who are training hard prepping for the business end of the year, than the fringe types looking to get in.
Those types will crucify us because they can sense a premiership.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on June 27, 2025, 05:49:18 pm
We agree on one thing at least - Acres needs to be sent out for whatever op he needs because he has deadset stunk. Im not sure of his contract situation but I'd think long and hard about renewing it. Saad would be close to running around at Willy next week too if he had any awareness whatsoever.
Few rumours around that this might be Saad's last year. If he went out for concussion he won't be playing anyway
contracted for next year so I doubt it, but players retire early all the time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 27, 2025, 07:19:45 pm
The best teams plan and plan everything to the finest detail.
They may start resting players, but whoever the players are that go out there will go at 100%, nothing is sure because the players on the fringe of selection are battling for a spot!
I want for us to meet Rottingwood at their best.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on June 27, 2025, 07:51:12 pm
We had a lot of senior players have poor games last night: [1] Jacob Weitering, who didn't look close to fit. He might be better after a slightly longer break, but he struggled last night. He did not look engaged or passionate at any stage last night, or in recent games. [2] Blake Acres, who hasn't really been fit his year. He was ordinary and had only 11 possessions. He needs to be fixed, so he's ready for 2026. Hard to send him away for repairs, he does give his all, even with the shizen disposals [3] Jack Silvagni, who played his worst game for the year. He really struggled to get near the ball on an important night for the Silvagni name. Looked lost and dispirited [4] Mitch McGovern, who had the night from Hell. If our kicking into the forward line wasn't bad enough (and it wasn't good), when he finally got the ball he shanked like the ads on TV. Missing gettable goals from simple shots is heart breaking. Was woeful [5] Adam Saad - the concussion protocols might be a blessing in disguise, as Saady has been struggling. Give him a break and he will be better for it. Yep, then let him off the leash to do what running half backs do. Stupid to ask him to be a lock-down defender, and a waste. [6] Lachie Fogarty had a night from Hell. His decision making was awful, as was his kicking when he finally got his hands on the ball.' Good Magoos player. When he can't get a game, we're making progress. [7] Tom de Koning was thrashed in the ruck by Sweet and Visentini, who did what rucks are supposed to do, give their mids first use. Tom didn't. He didn't take many marks and his kicking was atrocious. Checked out. Seemed angry. [8] Charlie Curnow: There were some good signs from Charlie, like his willingness to chase and tackle, but his kicking, usually elite, was excremental and didn't get close to targets. He was engaged and got amongst it, about bloody time. [9] Orazio Fantasia had a few nice minutes late in the game, but when the game was there to be won, he wasn't there. And he missed easy goals as well. One of our few small forwards who seemed almost, semi dangerous. [10] George Hewett had his worst game of the year. He struggled to get near the ball. At least he tackled; he had 9 of them. If effort and spirit for the contest amount to anything, this bloke was, and remains, a bloody ripper. [11] Patrick Cripps also struggled, which was no surprise when he was sick all week. However, his ruck work was more effective than Tom's was. Should not have put his hand up to play - selfish and poor leadership and understanding of what he could really offer [12] Lewis Young: what was he doing? he offered nothing as a forward, a defender or a ruckman. At least he kicked our 1st goal, our only 1st half goal!
That is more than half of our team! At least Haynes can hold his head up; he did a fine job. Can he play next season? I hope so. Showed bona fide leadership qualities, must play next year and be in the leadership group. Doc tried, but wasn't very effective. Must retire to lead the Magoos, now. His panicky kicks under pressure are a huge liability and deflate the group. Ollie Hollands and Zac Williams weren't that bad either. Agree. Voting is going to very difficult this week!
We would need a huge turnaround from these guys to be competitive against Collingwood, which I just cannot see at the moment. But we should be looking at replacing some of the 12 guys I mentioned, as they were issues at the moment. Yep.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on June 27, 2025, 08:15:13 pm
All I want for Christmas are two half forwards that can spot a player on the lead and hit the target.
We actually have a few - Cottrell, Smith, E Hollands, Young.
It's true injuries/rehab have killed us in this part of the game.. but still no excuse to not persist with others in this critical role. Boyd, Carroll, Moir are good kicks of the football... there is no excuse kicking the can down the road and not trying to fill this important role despite players missing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on June 27, 2025, 08:47:31 pm
All I want for Christmas are two half forwards that can spot a player on the lead and hit the target.
We actually have a few - Cottrell, Smith, E Hollands, Young.
It's true injuries/rehab have killed us in this part of the game.. but still no excuse to not persist with others in this critical role. Boyd, Carroll, Moir are good kicks of the football... there is no excuse kicking the can down the road and not trying to fill this important role despite players missing.
Wow, well said. Glad you included Flynn Young... this kid is much better than many may realise.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on June 28, 2025, 07:13:02 am
I can't think of a single reason as to how we win this game other than one....overconfidence on their part. But it is Collingwood so the chances of that are slim.
The very least we can do though is make them earn it. Hit them hard and make them fight for every possession and every goal. Get up in their faces and pressure them for four quarters....... And then I woke up :( :( :(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 28, 2025, 07:45:09 am
The very least we can do though is make them earn it. Hit them hard and make them fight for every possession and every goal. Get up in their faces and pressure them for four quarters.......
As supporters, this is really all we ask for, unconditional effort for 4 qtrs. The above doesnt take a huge amount of skill, just intent.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on June 28, 2025, 11:21:23 am
I can't think of a single reason as to how we win this game other than one....overconfidence on their part. But it is Collingwood so the chances of that are slim.
The very least we can do though is make them earn it. Hit them hard and make them fight for every possession and every goal. Get up in their faces and pressure them for four quarters....... And then I woke up :( :( :(
Even when we were winning wooden spoons, we were still winning the odd game we had no right too.
This could be one....most likely isn't, but 'could 'be.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 28, 2025, 02:27:30 pm
One thing not being discussed is thast modern footy's extreme running style tactic has a significant impact when teams have a short break. We went from playing to the death against Norp to being run over by Port on an interstate trip just 5 days later.
This week we have 8 days to prepare for the Filth's who have only 6, let's hope WCE front up and push them to the death tonight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 28, 2025, 04:18:43 pm
One thing not being discussed is thast modern footy's extreme running style tactic has a significant impact when teams have a short break. We went from playing to the death against Norp to being run over by Port on an interstate trip just 5 days later.
This week we have 8 days to prepare for the Filth's who have only 6, let's hope WCE front up and push them to the death tonight.
Port also had a 5 day break.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 28, 2025, 07:21:39 pm
Both were home games at Adelaide Oval, it matters.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on June 28, 2025, 08:45:16 pm
Eagles lead by 8 at Half-time Worst result for us would be a West Coast win
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on June 29, 2025, 01:10:44 am
Im tired of rose colored glasses. Voss has been a little unlucky with injuries and Elijah being a disappointment as he is exactly what we need right now. Can't put that on Voss. But Voss is far to stringent in his ways to loosen the group up to play more freely - you cant have Fogarty and Lord delivering majority of ball inside 50 when we have better kicks and fails to be brave. Top bloke and want him at the club - taking over Lloyds job preferably. But a damn crap tactical coach.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pertz on June 29, 2025, 12:33:35 pm
We won't beat the Pies this week. We need to get back to basics - teamwork, encouraging each other, tackling, pressure, commitment to the cause. That's all I ask.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: RiverRat on June 29, 2025, 12:49:34 pm
Boyd, Carroll, Moir are good kicks of the football... there is no excuse kicking the can down the road and not trying to fill this important role despite players missing.
Carroll is a good kick (most of the time) but his kicking action (heavily across the body most of the time) causes him to butcher the ball when he is off balance and under pressure - needs refinement.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 29, 2025, 02:00:12 pm
I might change my mind later in the week when the dust settles from Thursdays abomination but right now I give us no chance against the Pies. As Pertz said, all we ask for is 4 qtrs of effort in the form of tackling, getting in their faces and taking away their space.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on June 29, 2025, 02:05:30 pm
Moir has been held back because of his tank and consistency across 4 quarters, and I've totally agreed, but based on what I saw in the twos, he's having a crack both on the ball and up forward. The point with him is that if he get 6 kicks for a game and 4 of the are within 50, you'll get at least 3 goals. Beautiful off both sides and is a logical replacement for Jack Martin / Elija Holland when going.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 29, 2025, 03:29:32 pm
Collingwood are ripe for a loss, they are resting players, playing a few duds and over using the ball playing cute football. They were lucky Pendlebury held them together and id be tagging him this week and taking that luxury away from the Pies. Nick Daicos wants the ball every foray forward and Pies have gone handball happy getting it to him, Mcrae got them back in the game in second half by wanting sensible direct football and less hollywood stuff but I think we can punish them abit more than WC did if we can get Charlie firing and keep the turnovers low which is what Collingwood thrive on.