Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: Lods on June 28, 2025, 07:57:52 am
Title: Our Next Captain
Post by: Lods on June 28, 2025, 07:57:52 am
One of the criticisms of our current situation centres around a lack of leadership. Cripps is more of a 'follow me' type of leader, a bit like Judd in that respect. A standout best player, but does that translate to a good captain. In any case we probably need to be looking to the future. He's just passed into the wrong side of 30 and plays a very physical game so longevity may also be an issue.
The obvious choice is Weitering- I have a few concerns around some of the on-field stuff we see when he criticises others. Some may think that's a good thing... and it may be. I just wonder how he's viewed by other players. The other issue we may have is durability. Seems to be playing through a lot of niggly injuries at present. But if you look after Weitering the cupboard is pretty thin.
Walsh would have been my pick a few seasons ago-but injury is an increasing issue-and he may not be here anyway. Silvagni-Would be a good choice. 100% committed a great example to others. But can we have a captain who only plays on average around 3/4 of a season. Curnow-is a man-child. Doesn't really strike me as a leader Harry needs to look after himself at present-not a whole team. De Koning-A dark horse but....Probably won't be there.
We just don't have that player with leadership qualities- in their early to mid-twenties and not a fringe player. If someone like Haynes was 10 years younger maybe. But for now it looks like Weitering. Question is can he outlast Cripps?
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 28, 2025, 08:10:04 am
Weitering, make the change this preseason. Hewett/SOS as his VCs. Reward form and leadership. Curnow cant string two effective words together and his current on field performances barely warrant him a game IMO (playing on reputation ATM). Harry is not leadership material onfield, off field his professionalism and diligence in making himself better sure. TDK will be a StK.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Thryleon on June 28, 2025, 08:16:03 am
Nic newman would have been another.
Ollie hollands is showing signs he could make a good leader.
Adam Cerra might he another (he does speak eloquently).
You know a few people come across as many children or not leadership material and then surprise people.
Tex walker James Sicily. Max gawn.
Sometimes thrusting people into these roles will make them grow. I reckon fev may have needed captaincy to kick on and mature back then. For a club where we were he was dedicated enough. Bit selfish though.
Still, you just never know. On paper Murphy was a captain. In practise....
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 28, 2025, 08:34:33 am
Ollie hollands is showing signs he could make a good leader.
Adam Cerra might he another (he does speak eloquently).
You know a few people come across as many children or not leadership material and then surprise people.
Tex walker James Sicily. Max gawn.
Sometimes thrusting people into these roles will make them grow. I reckon fev may have needed captaincy to kick on and mature back then. For a club where we were he was dedicated enough. Bit selfish though.
Still, you just never know. On paper Murphy was a captain. In practise....
Some who strike
Respectfully Thry, Sicily IMO should not be Haw's captain. He is a petulant man child whose attitude stinks from an outsider looking in. Of course they know better but it wouldnt surprise me if a change is made with him. As for the others, your point is spot on.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 28, 2025, 08:47:30 am
Matt Kennedy....
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Lods on June 28, 2025, 08:54:39 am
Ollie hollands is showing signs he could make a good leader.
Adam Cerra might he another (he does speak eloquently).
You know a few people come across as many children or not leadership material and then surprise people.
Tex walker James Sicily. Max gawn.
Sometimes thrusting people into these roles will make them grow. I reckon fev may have needed captaincy to kick on and mature back then. For a club where we were he was dedicated enough. Bit selfish though.
Still, you just never know. On paper Murphy was a captain. In practise....
Some who strike
I hought about Newman He's the kind of player you're looking for and has been spending a bit of time on the coaching bench while injured. But he'll be 32 next year so is older than both Cripps and Weitering. Hollands...yep, possibly but would still be a couple of years away. Cerra fits the age profile and is a definite top 22
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Adelaideblue on June 28, 2025, 08:54:59 am
Not politically correct, too much to say to the coaches, too popular with the younger players and not a fan of a hierarchal dressing room...🤫 Over at Bont world it must run a bit different...😐
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: kruddler on June 28, 2025, 11:19:16 am
Ollie hollands is showing signs he could make a good leader.
When the question was posed, i did a bit of a mental run down the list (knowing i looked at the age profile just yesterday for you) and i went past all the 25 and over players for 1 reason or another and ended up stopping at Ollie Hollands.
Not sure how soon he (or anyone) may be called upon to step up into that captains role, but if you want a bloke that busts his gut and stands up for teammates unconditionally, you'd struggle to find someone better than Ollie.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: shawny on June 28, 2025, 11:24:23 am
He has become a topline defensive powerful mid who hits the scoreboard. Kicked 21 goals to this point (only 4 behinds).
Be great if we can snare someone like that in the offseason...... hang on a minute.
Fans still can't tell me with any valid justification, who it is Kennedy displaces out of our four frontline Mids, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra or Hewett.?
Because that's the reality, he wanted more midfield time and he was clearly in 5th place at our club, maybe with the arrival of Jagga they thought he was going to be 6th!
At the Dogs he's either starting Mid or lining up at CHF, he wasn't going to get either gig at Carlton!
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Micky0 on June 28, 2025, 02:33:05 pm
Not politically correct, too much to say to the coaches, too popular with the younger players and not a fan of a hierarchal dressing room...🤫 Over at Bont world it must run a bit different...😐
What does this mean?
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Micky0 on June 28, 2025, 02:35:57 pm
For me I think Jack would be super. What about a joint Jack and Cerra?
Offer TDK VC.
Maybe Weiters, he’s a great speaker but I can’t help but wonder if he’s looking much more into the future into a career at the top of the AFL. He seems extremely intelligent to me.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: PaulP on June 28, 2025, 02:38:17 pm
For me I think Jack would be super. What about a joint Jack and Cerra?
Offer TDK VC.
Maybe Weiters, he’s a great speaker but I can’t help but wonder if he’s looking much more into the future into a career at the top of the AFL. He seems extremely intelligent to me.
Jack ticks a lot of the boxes. The one concern I have is his durability Injuries have played a fair part in his career and he's struggled to get a full season in
For me I think Jack would be super. What about a joint Jack and Cerra?
Offer TDK VC.
Maybe Weiters, he’s a great speaker but I can’t help but wonder if he’s looking much more into the future into a career at the top of the AFL. He seems extremely intelligent to me.
Jack ticks a lot of the boxes. The one concern I have is his durability Injuries have played a fair part in his career and he's struggled to get a full season in
For me I think Jack would be super. What about a joint Jack and Cerra?
Offer TDK VC.
Maybe Weiters, he’s a great speaker but I can’t help but wonder if he’s looking much more into the future into a career at the top of the AFL. He seems extremely intelligent to me.
The only thing Id be offering TDK is a spot in the twos if (a) his form doesnt improve and (b) if he doesnt tell me this week if he is staying or going.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Micky0 on June 28, 2025, 05:11:53 pm
For me I think Jack would be super. What about a joint Jack and Cerra?
Offer TDK VC.
Maybe Weiters, he’s a great speaker but I can’t help but wonder if he’s looking much more into the future into a career at the top of the AFL. He seems extremely intelligent to me.
The only thing Id be offering TDK is a spot in the twos if (a) his form doesnt improve and (b) if he doesnt tell me this week if he is staying or going.
Fair
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: cookie2 on June 28, 2025, 05:40:07 pm
Jack ticks a lot of the boxes. The one concern I have is his durability Injuries have played a fair part in his career and he's struggled to get a full season in
Jack would be a good option too, but probably too old by the time it would be ready for him.
You couldn't ask for a more dedicated Carlton bloke though
Agree. A bit too late for him.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: laj on June 28, 2025, 05:48:40 pm
Haynes made his feelings known. Straight to the point.
Said, "if blokes don't want to perform. we have plenty of young guys coming through in the twos who will play the system we want". Telling it like it is and saying things our other leaders won't.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: cookie2 on June 28, 2025, 05:54:04 pm
Haynes made his feelings known. Straight to the point.
Said, "if blokes don't want to perform. we have plenty of young guys coming through in the twos who will play the system we want". Telling it like it is and saying things our other leaders won't.
My opinion of Haines has risen significantly.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Lods on June 28, 2025, 07:11:54 pm
I'd be sussing out Haynes's assistant coaching potential ;)
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: BluePhantom on June 28, 2025, 07:15:00 pm
Jagga! Cripps has another 3 years, Jagga will be hitting his straps by then.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 28, 2025, 07:43:54 pm
Haynes made his feelings known. Straight to the point.
Said, "if blokes don't want to perform. we have plenty of young guys coming through in the twos who will play the system we want". Telling it like it is and saying things our other leaders won't.
My opinion of Haines has risen significantly.
x 2. Make him captain FFS.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 28, 2025, 07:44:42 pm
Haynes made his feelings known. Straight to the point.
Said, "if blokes don't want to perform. we have plenty of young guys coming through in the twos who will play the system we want". Telling it like it is and saying things our other leaders won't.
I love you Nick❤️
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Lods on July 02, 2025, 07:42:54 am
Just a bit from the current Captain acknowledging that these are tough times and mostly staying positive and bringing leadership and energy.
Carlton captain Patrick Cripps says he’s about to find out who among his teammates will “step up and dig in” amid a horror on-field run which moved one former player to suggest the Blues could consider trading the skipper.With the walls closing in, Cripps said now was the time he would find out a lot of about himself as a leader, and his teammates’ capacity to come through it all.
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“You find out a lot about yourself, I reckon, (in) these times, not only as a player but as a leader, but also (about) guys around you, the ones that really want to step up and dig in versus, like I said before, the ones that want to step away,” he said in the sit down with fellow Brownlow medallists Tom Mitchell and Lachie Neale.
You would think Cripps already knows this. He's been playing with them for long enough. He wouldn't be talking about the young players, and the suggestion is there is a group who, when the going gets a bit tough, some don't get going.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Baggers on July 02, 2025, 08:25:06 am
Carlton captain Patrick Cripps says he’s about to find out who among his teammates will “step up and dig in” amid a horror on-field run which moved one former player to suggest the Blues could consider trading the skipper.With the walls closing in, Cripps said now was the time he would find out a lot of about himself as a leader, and his teammates’ capacity to come through it all.
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“You find out a lot about yourself, I reckon, (in) these times, not only as a player but as a leader, but also (about) guys around you, the ones that really want to step up and dig in versus, like I said before, the ones that want to step away,” he said in the sit down with fellow Brownlow medallists Tom Mitchell and Lachie Neale.
You would think Cripps already knows this. He's been playing with them for long enough. He wouldn't be talking about the young players, and the suggestion is there is a group who, when the going gets a bit tough, some don't get going.
Exactly my first reaction, also, Principal LODS. In fact, my jaw dropped when I read that.
Sorry Crippa, but if blokes on-field are not 'stepping-up' guess who that is on? You. You're the captain, the on-field leader. The buck stops with you... What are you not getting through that accommodates a lack of on-field leadership? Do you demand adherence to team values on-field? Do you get buy-in? That's leadership. Leading by example is only a part of the leadership equation.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Professer E on July 02, 2025, 09:18:29 am
I suspect he and the club knows who they are and he's just covering for them. Time to thin the herd perhaps
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: madbluboy on July 02, 2025, 09:41:45 am
Haynes made his feelings known. Straight to the point.
Said, "if blokes don't want to perform. we have plenty of young guys coming through in the twos who will play the system we want". Telling it like it is and saying things our other leaders won't.
My opinion of Haines has risen significantly.
He's had a good season, leads the league in marks.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Lods on July 02, 2025, 09:46:48 am
If you take Cripps' comments and then look at what Haynes said last week
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“If blokes don’t do it, we’ve got plenty of young guys coming through the twos who will play the system we want,”
It's an indication of a problem of commitment by some, and a division, that may be at the core of our current performances.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Professer E on July 02, 2025, 10:10:33 am
Then it's clear who up for trade then.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Micky0 on July 02, 2025, 10:22:29 am
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Thryleon on July 23, 2025, 05:14:56 pm
I like weiters as captain material, however, Im uncertain about his ability to lead people with less capability than he has.
I.e. Lewis Young. The way Lewis went from a player who looked good to fill CHB to us, to filling in for Weiters admirably, to not being able to play nice at the start of 2023 when Weiters returned from injury is a bit of a concern for mine.
He is a little too worried about his own game, and he moves, rather than the rest of the team at times. Thats ok, but I think that potentially someone like Ollie Hollands might be better, and thats based on stoppage based leadership I have heard at the ground.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: madbluboy on July 23, 2025, 05:18:27 pm
Walsh if he hangs around.
Title: Re: Our Next Captain
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 23, 2025, 07:39:38 pm