This Saturday night at 19:05 at Carlton! We won't go in as favourite, not with our present availabilities.
Sorry, I stuffed up badly here. We pay the Meat Pies.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Lods on July 03, 2025, 10:33:02 pm
All our good players from last week have been promoted ::)
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2025, 12:43:25 am
Our line-up for this week:
CARLTON B: B. Wilson (35), L. Young (33), M. Duffy (41) HB: H. Charleson (28), J. Boyd (37), R. Monahan (34) C: P. Dozzi (53), J. Binns (25), L. Camporeale (21) HF: C. Vickery (59), D. Hogg (70), L. Nelson (57) F: C. Durdin (19), H. Lemmey (31), W. White (38) R: F. Riley (56), B. Camporeale (16), H. Ramshaw (51) Int: O. Warburton (78), E. Phillips (55), A. Stevens (77), W. Hayes (54), D. Grainger-Barras (61) 23rd Player: O. Warburton (78) Em: K. Ferronato (50), O. Badr (62), Z. Harding (60), N. King (63), J. Polkinghorne (76), T. Logan (68)
IN: J. Boyd, D. Grainger-Barras, W. Hayes, L. Nelson, B. Wilson, L. Young OUT: M. Carroll, L. Cowan, F. Evans, A. Moir, M. Pittonet (AFL), S. Phipps-Parsons (calf)
Our opponents: COLLINGWOOD B: S. Glover (50), C. Dean (43), I. Smit (20) HB: C. Mulvogue (66), R. Eyre (58), J. Cochran (27) C: J. Watts (88), B. Grey (55), M. Mahoney (77) HF: J. Bennetts (71), W. Hayes (39), H. Mahoney (72) F: N. Howes (47), R. Mason (67), M. Cox (46) R: O. Steene (21), H. DeMattia (13), D. Kerr (81) INT: C. Willis (64), M. O'Brien (63), M. Kiraly (65), H. Kennedy (53), J. Murphy (79) 23rd Player: D. Kerr (81) EMG: A. Seivers (59), B. De Bolfo (51), L. Hude (60), T. McCarthy (80), B. Dowling (73), R. Maclean (61)
IN: C. Dean, D. Kerr, M. Kiraly, J. Watts, C. Willis OUT: T. Mitchell, R. Steele (AFL), J. Ryan (foot), N. Byrne (illness), B. De Bolfo NEW: Douglas Kerr, 18, 192cm, Oakleigh Chargers/St Kevins; Jake Watts, 21, 184cm, Shepparton Bears
My comments: [1] Our line-up looks awfully short this week. Riley as only ruck, Young at FB and Lemmey at FF are the only talls out there. That is a real structural weakness in my opinion [2] I hope Flynn Riley can stand up this week, as there isn't a lot of help for him. [3] Nice to see Denver Grainger-Barras out there. It will be his debut. I would like to think he can make a difference, but somehow, I find that thought difficult. [4] Will Hayes, on the other hand, is a super inclusion. He provides the leadership we lack.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 05, 2025, 06:38:14 am
Many of our non-listed players have been going better than some of the senior listed players.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2025, 03:59:02 pm
Many of our non-listed players have been going better than some of the senior listed players.
Darcy Hogg and Heath Ramshaw have been good. Vickery hasn't been as good recently, but he started excellently. Stevens and Hayes have been good value and Phillips has been excellent.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 04:51:30 pm
All our good players from last week have been promoted ::)
Well Evans could easily play 2s coz he did SFA last night.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2025, 06:12:41 pm
Evans wasn't alone.
{1] Orazio Fantasia: 8 possessions, 1 clearance, 1 tackle, 1 goal. [2] Jesse Motlop: 8 possessions, 1 clearance, 2 tackles and 2 goals. (Probably the best of them on the night.) :( [3] Lachie Fogarty: 7 possessions, 1 clearances, 3 tackles and 0 goals. :( [4] Ashton Moir: 9 possessions, 1 clearances, 1 tackle and 1 goal. For all that, Moir did show something. He took a couple of very nice marks and his clearance was a centre one. [5] Tom de Koning: 11 possessions, 3 marks, 1 clearance and 0 goals. :( >:( [6] Francis Evans: 12 possessions, 7 marks, 0 tackles and 2 points.
Flynn Young had 6 possessions for 1 quarter, and hit more only miskicked twice.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2025, 07:20:36 pm
Flynn Young backing up after last night. Already has a goal.
As usual, we miss goals - Durdin and Lucas C.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 07:22:26 pm
Nice start. Two early ones.
You'd do handstands if you got dropped....lol. Be alot more fun in the twos with a side having alot more of a crack.
Make that 3.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2025, 07:29:03 pm
You'd do handstands if you got dropped....lol. Be alot more fun in the twos with a side having alot more of a crack.
Make that 3.
Is it streamed anywhere
On 7 Mate.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2025, 07:30:23 pm
As usual, we get a lot of the ball. 5 of the top 6 possession getters are Blues.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2025, 07:37:00 pm
Collingwood goal. :( In red time. And, just like that, our lead evaporates. We bleed goals in red time.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 07:39:22 pm
Pies last 3. 21 all.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2025, 07:45:54 pm
What a waste of a quarter. Carlton 3 - 3 - 21 Collingwood 3 - 3 - 21 We get the first 3, they get the last three. :(
123 disposals to 92. We got 1 free for the entire quarter! 40 marks to 27. We're down in the ruck and at stoppages: we've only got 1 ruckman, while Collingwood have 2. :(
Lewis Young: 13 possessions! That's more than he usually gets in a game! Phillips has 9.
8 of the top 9 possession getters are Blues.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: northernblue on July 05, 2025, 07:48:19 pm
Still gotta hit those targets going into f50 !
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 07:51:39 pm
L Young looks to have done a knee, slipped on his opposite foot then the knee got caught. Hopefully not serious.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 05, 2025, 07:52:32 pm
He was definitely clutching the back of his knee not his ankle but whatever… 🤷🏼♂️
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 05, 2025, 08:15:11 pm
Maybe Luke Power is auditioning for the senior coach role ;D O:-)
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 05, 2025, 08:32:17 pm
Terrible disposal from both teams, no real standouts for us apart from the non listed Will Hayes imo and only one for them in their defender Glover who is a nice left footer. Bit disappointed in Flynn Young who needs to lift his intensity....
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 05, 2025, 08:35:58 pm
FWIW, you can watch the game live on the afl website....and all vfl games.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 08:39:52 pm
Like our 1s, we just let oppo players walk through contests to kick a goal.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 08:44:00 pm
Irish boy Monahan can pack his bags me thinks.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 08:46:52 pm
How has Lemmey been at our club for 3 years and hasn't put on an ounce of size? Cox is a big unit but he make Lemmey look like an U18 ruck.
He looks bigger than DGB who is a couple years older and been on an AFL list for 4 years prior to this year.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 09:06:40 pm
BLues in front
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:07:38 pm
Lowered eyes, a couple of spearing passes onside 50 and a goal to put us in front. Very un-Carlton-like...lol.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 09:07:51 pm
Oh well, we led for 30 sec.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:08:10 pm
How far can a bloke @#%$# run?!!!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 05, 2025, 09:09:32 pm
Lemmey seems to be playing a Harry McKay type role. A bit of rucking and playing up around the wing half-forward at times. Perhaps an audition. Made a really good chase early in the quarter...it probably stood out because you don't often see that from a tall Carlton forward ;) :D
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:09:43 pm
2 goals at the 29 and 30 minute marks to the Pies. Very Carlton-like.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 05, 2025, 09:12:09 pm
Lemmey seems to be playing a Harry McKay type role. A bit of rucking and playing up around the wing half-forward at times. Perhaps an audition. Made a really good chase early in the quarter...it probably stood out because you don't often see that from a tall Carlton forward ;) :D
I think the up and comers in him and HOK are actually very agile for 2m+ blokes. Good to see. Both need to put on size which may hurt that agility somewhat, but its better than not having it to begin with.
Lemmey simply needs to be given a go. 46 VFL games in his career IIRC. He's done his apprenticeship. Get him up to the 1's
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 09:23:59 pm
Phillips playing a nice game
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:24:59 pm
What an awful kick by Durdin. Pity he isn't out of contract.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 05, 2025, 09:27:16 pm
Lucas Camporeale's kicking has been much better tonight.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:28:55 pm
Between Durdin and Will White using the ball inside 50...geez. Reserves blokes use it better than them.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:31:15 pm
That was terrific ball use. Campo, then the next kick, whoever it was. Spearing passes. Then we kick a point from close in...lol.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 09:32:04 pm
Can we swap our 2s and 1s?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 09:32:42 pm
DGB has missed to sitters. Now a TO from FB Durdin lining up...and goals, blues in front
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:32:45 pm
This Luke Nelson looks good. Like his ball use. Lovely pass, close to goal, and another point...lol.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:33:41 pm
Now we are in front. Durdin's ball use is awful, but not when there's a goal to be had.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:35:09 pm
DGB can't buy a goal. Couldn't miss earlier.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 09:36:24 pm
Ben Campo has been very good in the guts at the centre bounces.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 05, 2025, 09:43:08 pm
Question is, the way things are, does he want to play in the seniors....hahaha.
Deserves a game but needs to handball more as his kicking is very ordinary, his brother played ok down back and seems a better kick as well.. Id be playing Lemmey too, he did some nice things and looks composed, Charlie can be his decoy🤐
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 09:50:27 pm
Question is, the way things are, does he want to play in the seniors....hahaha.
Maybe the question should be....do we want him to play in the seniors. Of course the answer is, "yes"...we need to be exposing them to senior time. Not sure about Brisbane but definitely Melbourne.
But there's a part of me that would like to keep these young guys playing together for the rest of the year and developing a bit of a connection and understanding. It won't happen, but there's a bit of spirit there that seems to be lacking in the senior side.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: northernblue on July 05, 2025, 10:03:24 pm
Great wins by the VFL boys and the VFL girls. 2 out of 3.
Indeed, 2 out of three, and two damned close ones that we stole. May it happen every time we play Collingwood: we owe these maggots a hell of a lot of pain!
Carlton: 12 - 11 - 83 Meat Pies: 11 - 13 - 79
We turned the clearances around totally: 40 to 24! That is a huge change over the first half. We had so much more of the ball: 400 possessions to 327, but don't use it well. I wonder where we've heard that before. At least the youngsters have a bit of ticker!
Jaxon Binns: 28 possessions, 2 clearances, 3 tackles and a goal: a much improved effort. But, he still makes it hard for his team mates with his kicking. Will Hayes: 26 possessions, 6 clearances, 4 tackles and a goal. We miss him when he doesn't play. Ben Camporeale: 26 possessions, 8 clearances and 4 tackles. Ben seems to play better in the 2nd half of games. he often starts slowly, but come home with a wet sail. His brother tends to do the opposite. Lucas Camporeale: 24 possessions, 2 clearances and 4 tackles.
We lost the taps, but really came home with the clearances.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: northernblue on July 05, 2025, 10:11:50 pm
DGB kicked abysmally but has something. Reilly needs some gym time but is worth getting games into. Monaghans best game. Campos are building.
Great perseverance from the team tonight, I can only hope it’s contagious. Binns comments when asked about Voss’s spray last week were encouraging.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2025, 10:16:31 pm
The not so good:
[1] Lewis Young: after getting leather poisoning, 13 possessions in the 1st quarter, he went off injured. The way he was playing ... Don't want to go there. Hope he isn't done for the year.
[2] Flynn Young: 5 possessions, backing up after last night. Considering that he kicked the first goal, it was a very disappointing effort.
[3] Harry Lemmey: 10 disposals, but kicked 2 goals.2 clearances and 3 tackles, and 1 tap. Considering our kicking, I guess we can't complain, but I was hoping for more. We were an extremely short team today and needed our couple of talls to stand up. At least Lemmey kicked 2 goals. Cox (Coll) only kicked one, and that was from a really dodgy free. he just dropped to the ground like something dead and the umpire fell for it.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 10:36:10 pm
Question is, the way things are, does he want to play in the seniors....hahaha.
Maybe the question should be....do we want him to play in the seniors. Of course the answer is, "yes"...we need to be exposing them to senior time. Not sure about Brisbane but definitely Melbourne.
But there's a part of me that would like to keep these young guys playing together for the rest of the year and developing a bit of a connection and understanding. It won't happen, but there's a bit of spirit there that seems to be lacking in the senior side.
Was just saying that to someone else. Right now, more than.happy to.keep.them playing together.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 10:37:31 pm
[1] Lewis Young: after getting leather poisoning, 13 possessions in the 1st quarter, he went off injured. The way he was playing ... Don't want to go there. Hope he isn't done for the year.
[2] Flynn Young: 5 possessions, backing up after last night. Considering that he kicked the first goal, it was a very disappointing effort.
[3] Harry Lemmey: 10 disposals, but kicked 2 goals.2 clearances and 3 tackles, and 1 tap. Considering our kicking, I guess we can't complain, but I was hoping for more. We were an extremely short team today and needed our couple of talls to stand up. At least Lemmey kicked 2 goals. Cox (Coll) only kicked one, and that was from a really dodgy free. he just dropped to the ground like something dead and the umpire fell for it.
DBG could have stood up. Got plenty but that last qtr goalkicking....ouch. Could have been costly.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 10:38:18 pm
[1] Lewis Young: after getting leather poisoning, 13 possessions in the 1st quarter, he went off injured. The way he was playing ... Don't want to go there. Hope he isn't done for the year.
[2] Flynn Young: 5 possessions, backing up after last night. Considering that he kicked the first goal, it was a very disappointing effort.
[3] Harry Lemmey: 10 disposals, but kicked 2 goals.2 clearances and 3 tackles, and 1 tap. Considering our kicking, I guess we can't complain, but I was hoping for more. We were an extremely short team today and needed our couple of talls to stand up. At least Lemmey kicked 2 goals. Cox (Coll) only kicked one, and that was from a really dodgy free. he just dropped to the ground like something dead and the umpire fell for it.
Lewis Young was just an ankle in the end.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Blue Moon on July 05, 2025, 10:39:07 pm
I thought the first fifteen minutes showed the difference in quality between the two sides, after that Collingwood were just better at executing their game plan and Carlton implemented their senior game plan of being witches hats, kicking appallingly, making poor decisions, not having a Plan B, switching off and generally running around like headless chooks. We won because we didn't give up, something the seniors can learn from, and because we were actually a better side than Collingwood, even after losing Young, though we may not necessarily have been a better team. I would be playing Luke Camporeale, Lemmey and Binns in the seniors and I would have been playing L.Young as well.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 05, 2025, 10:40:10 pm
Question is, the way things are, does he want to play in the seniors....hahaha.
Deserves a game but needs to handball more as his kicking is very ordinary, his brother played ok down back and seems a better kick as well.. Id be playing Lemmey too, he did some nice things and looks composed, Charlie can be his decoy🤐
Thought the.Campo boys were much better with the ball tonight.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 05, 2025, 10:48:49 pm
Not sure exactly how much time Flynn Young spent on the ground...didn't notice him at all in the last quarter. I suspect it was a managed situation after limited game time last night. But he didn't really impact much at all and it may have been better for him not to play.
Riley's a favourite of mine...despite his limited appearances. Reminds me a bit of Matty Kreuzer in some respects...but still a long way to go. I liked the way a couple of times he took the ball from the ruck contest and quickly dished it off. Lemmey took a bit of the ruck, but it was basically Riley most of the night against two rucks He looked a bit spent chasing Cox on the lead late in the game so he no doubt gave it his best shot and worked hard most of the night. If TDK goes it wouldn't hurt to try and get Riley on the list.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 05, 2025, 10:51:48 pm
Deserves a game but needs to handball more as his kicking is very ordinary, his brother played ok down back and seems a better kick as well.. Id be playing Lemmey too, he did some nice things and looks composed, Charlie can be his decoy🤐
Thought the.Campo boys were much better with the ball tonight.
I think it was Lucas who did a couple of nice defensive acts, busted a gut to get to and create a contest to effect a spoil. Did it two or three times if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on July 05, 2025, 11:39:58 pm
Vfl blues have won 6 of their last 8.
Fair effort considering our seniors get games.... :p
In all honesty I'm more interested in breeding a system based winning culture at this level.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 05, 2025, 11:49:37 pm
Fair effort considering our seniors get games.... :p
In all honesty I'm more interested in breeding a system based winning culture at this level.
What impressed me most was that the game wasnt going their way, they corrected their bad play and they fought tooth and nail for eek out a win. Hope the goats who played on Friday night were watching.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 06, 2025, 07:39:16 am
Fair effort considering our seniors get games.... :p
In all honesty I'm more interested in breeding a system based winning culture at this level.
There's some eligibility rules around finals for AFL listed players. We currently sit just inside the Top 10 There are probably a few players a game or two shy of meeting that eligibility list. (Need to play a few more VFL games).
What's best for the club and player development long term... Get these players into and playing VFL finals with a group on a positive run. or Give them a taste and a few games at senior level in a somewhat dysfunctional environment.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on July 06, 2025, 07:55:43 am
Binns and Lucas dominated the outside - Ben dominated the inside.
Outside domination is very rare for us. Maybe time to give Acres a spell to find form.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 06, 2025, 08:56:13 am
Fair effort considering our seniors get games.... :p
In all honesty I'm more interested in breeding a system based winning culture at this level.
What impressed me most was that the game wasnt going their way, they corrected their bad play and they fought tooth and nail for eek out a win. Hope the goats who played on Friday night were watching.
Yep.
What I found fascinating, and depressing, was the difference in 'spirit' between the Magoos and seniors. Poles apart.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 06, 2025, 09:08:47 am
Interesting point from the interview with Power at one of the quarter time breaks. He touched on the backing-up of Young after being a sub the previous night and on other occasions where the needs of the senior team took precedence over the VFL side. Examples-resting O'Farrell last week and Cincotta last night to be ready for next week after a short break.
It's all part of the total process but VFL wins are clearly secondary to the needs of the AFL team (as it should be) and Power should be cut a bit of slack for any results given his side gets turned upside down on a weekly basis. Any injuries to any player on the senior list has an impact on the VFL side. Positional experiments decreed from above also limit his options. He's doing pretty well.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 06, 2025, 09:32:23 am
Interesting point from the interview with Power at one of the quarter time breaks. He touched on the backing-up of Young after being a sub the previous night and on other occasions where the needs of the senior team took precedence over the VFL side. Examples-resting O'Farrell last week and Cincotta last night to be ready for next week after a short break.
It's all part of the total process but VFL wins are clearly secondary to the needs of the AFL team (as it should be) and Power should be cut a bit of slack for any results given his side gets turned upside down on a weekly basis. Any injuries to any player on the senior list has an impact on the VFL side. Positional experiments decreed from above also limit his options. He's doing pretty well.
One thing that shouldn't be overlooked in that, is that he must have a system/game plan in place that doesn't matter about the cattle he has out there. Eg, he can't build around a certain player, because that play might be called up to the 1's. He needs a plug and play style that works regardless of who is in the team.
That sounds VERY attractive for our senior side given our overreliance on certain players....who are underperforming.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 06, 2025, 09:34:49 am
What impressed me most was that the game wasnt going their way, they corrected their bad play and they fought tooth and nail for eek out a win. Hope the goats who played on Friday night were watching.
Yep.
What I found fascinating, and depressing, was the difference in 'spirit' between the Magoos and seniors. Poles apart.
Hungry Dogs Hunt Best
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2025, 01:38:36 pm
I don't mean to be offensive, but how in God's name did Denver Grainger-Barras get selected so high? I can't say that I've seen much of him before, but he reminded me more of Monahan last season, or Duffy this season. He doesn't look smooth, he's awkward and doesn't run to the right spots ... Granted that he was useful last night, but ...
I think he has done his dash as a defender. Do we persevere with him as a forward? He ended up getting enough ball to be dangerous and he does leap well (although he doesn't always get close to it). His kicking ... his kicking reminded more of Percy Jones, to be honest.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 06, 2025, 02:06:29 pm
Fair effort considering our seniors get games.... :p
In all honesty I'm more interested in breeding a system based winning culture at this level.
There's some eligibility rules around finals for AFL listed players. We currently sit just inside the Top 10 There are probably a few players a game or two shy of meeting that eligibility list. (Need to play a few more VFL games).
What's best for the club and player development long term... Get these players into and playing VFL finals with a group on a positive run. or Give them a taste and a few games at senior level in a somewhat dysfunctional environment.
It should work in reverse for us. If you struggle your get dropped to the seniors....lol.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 06, 2025, 03:07:18 pm
I don't mean to be offensive, but how in God's name did Denver Grainger-Barras get selected so high? I can't say that I've seen much of him before, but he reminded me more of Monahan last season, or Duffy this season. He doesn't look smooth, he's awkward and doesn't run to the right spots ... Granted that he was useful last night, but ...
I think he has done his dash as a defender. Do we persevere with him as a forward? He ended up getting enough ball to be dangerous and he does leap well (although he doesn't always get close to it). His kicking ... his kicking reminded more of Percy Jones, to be honest.
Be a No from me on DGB, heard some unflattering stuff about his training attitude at Hawthorn and being full of himself.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pew2 on July 06, 2025, 03:57:32 pm
some of those players better find a gym they are all light weights
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2025, 04:34:35 pm
I don't mean to be offensive, but how in God's name did Denver Grainger-Barras get selected so high? I can't say that I've seen much of him before, but he reminded me more of Monahan last season, or Duffy this season. He doesn't look smooth, he's awkward and doesn't run to the right spots ... Granted that he was useful last night, but ...
I think he has done his dash as a defender. Do we persevere with him as a forward? He ended up getting enough ball to be dangerous and he does leap well (although he doesn't always get close to it). His kicking ... his kicking reminded more of Percy Jones, to be honest.
Be a No from me on DGB, heard some unflattering stuff about his training attitude at Hawthorn and being full of himself.
God, he can turn gold in faeces! He did some great things, only to muck them up. I'd be be playing him forward, as we really don't have any marking forwards left at the moment, but he doesn't look to be the future.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on July 06, 2025, 07:13:42 pm
Boyd pushing Cox off the ball was gold.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 06, 2025, 07:18:53 pm
Got a big 'Boydy' from someone in the crowd. Almost a promotable contest. :D
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on July 06, 2025, 07:49:29 pm
All this talk about us not playing "AFL standard blokes", can you believe that stiff is a premiership player!?! So yea, every side plays a banana or two.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 06, 2025, 07:50:40 pm
I don't mean to be offensive, but how in God's name did Denver Grainger-Barras get selected so high? I can't say that I've seen much of him before, but he reminded me more of Monahan last season, or Duffy this season. He doesn't look smooth, he's awkward and doesn't run to the right spots ... Granted that he was useful last night, but ...
I think he has done his dash as a defender. Do we persevere with him as a forward? He ended up getting enough ball to be dangerous and he does leap well (although he doesn't always get close to it). His kicking ... his kicking reminded more of Percy Jones, to be honest.
I'm not sure he's ever going to play seniors anywhere again but don't mind him forward in the twos. If he had his kicking boots in he'd have had 5 or 6.
The moment I said in the game thread he was having a decent again, marks, 2 goals, he suddenly couldn't hit the side of a barn door from point blank range.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 06, 2025, 07:51:52 pm
All this talk about us not playing "AFL standard blokes", can you believe that stiff is a premiership player!?! So yea, every side plays a banana or two.
There's plenty of bananas with a premiership medal.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on July 06, 2025, 08:05:42 pm
Really enjoyed watching the replay of the VFL game.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on July 06, 2025, 09:02:06 pm
I don't mean to be offensive, but how in God's name did Denver Grainger-Barras get selected so high? I can't say that I've seen much of him before, but he reminded me more of Monahan last season, or Duffy this season. He doesn't look smooth, he's awkward and doesn't run to the right spots ... Granted that he was useful last night, but ...
I think he has done his dash as a defender. Do we persevere with him as a forward? He ended up getting enough ball to be dangerous and he does leap well (although he doesn't always get close to it). His kicking ... his kicking reminded more of Percy Jones, to be honest.
Be a No from me on DGB, heard some unflattering stuff about his training attitude at Hawthorn and being full of himself.
liam stocker was supposedly full of himself too, particularly after the moves sos pulled to get him. Thing is, the Hawks dont get rid of many players with questionable attitudes so its a buyer beware situation.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 07, 2025, 09:15:16 am
I guess it's natural (I do it!) to look only at the senior listed players in the Magoos and how they're doing, with in mind who to elevate to the seniors.
However, what is very apparent with our Magoos side is a unity. They seem to love their footy, whether VFL or AFL listed. And they don't surrender or drop their heads. Cudos to Luke P and his team.
Luke's job is real hard, he has little continuity of selection, every week he is hobbling together a group, and they all seem to buy in.
Reading Luke's comments post game it is very apparent that he reads the game well and doesn't hesitate to swing changes, which mostly seem to work. Reading between the lines, there seems to be an egalitarianism in his leadership style; he doesn't favour anyone in his comments. Any wonder there is a positive spirit with the boys.
His lads have a huge assignment this week, Brisvegas, who are 4 rungs above his boys on the Magoos ladder.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on July 07, 2025, 09:45:18 am
I guess it's natural (I do it!) to look only at the senior listed players in the Magoos and how they're doing, with in mind who to elevate to the seniors.
However, what is very apparent with our Magoos side is a unity. They seem to love their footy, whether VFL or AFL listed. And they don't surrender or drop their heads. Cudos to Luke P and his team.
Luke's job is real hard, he has little continuity of selection, every week he is hobbling together a group, and they all seem to buy in.
Reading Luke's comments post game it is very apparent that he reads the game well and doesn't hesitate to swing changes, which mostly seem to work. Reading between the lines, there seems to be an egalitarianism in his leadership style; he doesn't favour anyone in his comments. Any wonder there is a positive spirit with the boys.
His lads have a huge assignment this week, Brisvegas, who are 4 rungs above his boys on the Magoos ladder.
The VFL game was 100x more enjoyable to watch than the AFL game!
There was camaraderie and desire - watching the campo boys, saw some leadership already.
Binns after the game was asked re Vossys spray and he said Voss has been very good for him and they had the conversation necessary etc - seemed sincere.
The camaraderie is 100% missing in the snr side
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 07, 2025, 04:25:29 pm
I guess it's natural (I do it!) to look only at the senior listed players in the Magoos and how they're doing, with in mind who to elevate to the seniors.
However, what is very apparent with our Magoos side is a unity. They seem to love their footy, whether VFL or AFL listed. And they don't surrender or drop their heads. Cudos to Luke P and his team.
Luke's job is real hard, he has little continuity of selection, every week he is hobbling together a group, and they all seem to buy in.
Reading Luke's comments post game it is very apparent that he reads the game well and doesn't hesitate to swing changes, which mostly seem to work. Reading between the lines, there seems to be an egalitarianism in his leadership style; he doesn't favour anyone in his comments. Any wonder there is a positive spirit with the boys.
His lads have a huge assignment this week, Brisvegas, who are 4 rungs above his boys on the Magoos ladder.
The VFL game was 100x more enjoyable to watch than the AFL game!
There was camaraderie and desire - watching the campo boys, saw some leadership already.
Binns after the game was asked re Vossys spray and he said Voss has been very good for him and they had the conversation necessary etc - seemed sincere.
The camaraderie is 100% missing in the snr side
Really glad to read, M, that Binnsy communicated all-good with Vossy.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 07, 2025, 04:35:14 pm
The VFL game was 100x more enjoyable to watch than the AFL game!
There was camaraderie and desire - watching the campo boys, saw some leadership already.
Binns after the game was asked re Vossys spray and he said Voss has been very good for him and they had the conversation necessary etc - seemed sincere.
The camaraderie is 100% missing in the snr side
Really glad to read, M, that Binnsy communicated all-good with Vossy.
I wasnt a fan of that conversation in front of the other players who were equally poor and would have preferred it was away from the cameras where people couldnt lip read. Our leaders needed spraying last game and told to play their fecking role as much as Binns imho.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 07, 2025, 04:41:50 pm
Really glad to read, M, that Binnsy communicated all-good with Vossy.
I wasnt a fan of that conversation in front of the other players who were equally poor and would have preferred it was away from the cameras where people couldnt lip read. Our leaders needed spraying last game and told to play their fecking role as much as Binns imho.
Who is to say it didn't, but only 1 was caught on camera. This week him talking with the leaders was caught on camera. Where is the same criticising of that?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 07, 2025, 04:55:17 pm
I wasnt a fan of that conversation in front of the other players who were equally poor and would have preferred it was away from the cameras where people couldnt lip read. Our leaders needed spraying last game and told to play their fecking role as much as Binns imho.
Who is to say it didn't, but only 1 was caught on camera. This week him talking with the leaders was caught on camera. Where is the same criticising of that?
Vossy's address to the senior players against Rottingwood, was just that. Binns copped a pointed spray the week before. Very different.
EB1 is 100% correct re it being the leaders who should have copped a spray the week before, not the kid - easy target. Not a good look.
Last Friday he singled out the leaders. Good. His 'talk' with the leaders was needed. Bottom line is though, he shouldn't need to do it. If our on-field leaders are really leaders, they should know what to do and say... and enforce it, loudly, on field. Maybe they're just too nice and don't want to hurt anyone's feelings!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on July 07, 2025, 05:21:03 pm
Who is to say it didn't, but only 1 was caught on camera. This week him talking with the leaders was caught on camera. Where is the same criticising of that?
Vossy's address to the senior players against Rottingwood, was just that. Binns copped a pointed spray the week before. Very different.
EB1 is 100% correct re it being the leaders who should have copped a spray the week before, not the kid - easy target. Not a good look.
Last Friday he singled out the leaders. Good. His 'talk' with the leaders was needed. Bottom line is though, he shouldn't need to do it. If our on-field leaders are really leaders, they should know what to do and say... and enforce it, loudly, on field. Maybe they're just too nice and don't want to hurt anyone's feelings!
Yep. The on field leadership should have been held to account for not supporting Binns.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 07, 2025, 07:28:24 pm
Who is to say it didn't, but only 1 was caught on camera. This week him talking with the leaders was caught on camera. Where is the same criticising of that?
Vossy's address to the senior players against Rottingwood, was just that. Binns copped a pointed spray the week before. Very different.
EB1 is 100% correct re it being the leaders who should have copped a spray the week before, not the kid - easy target. Not a good look.
I dont agree with this, when Vossy sprayed Binns, it was during an address to the midfield group who he pulled away from their line coach, nothing to do with the leadership group. They were getting beaten up and not sticking to their tasks. From what I understand, they only showed that bit with Binns but he sprayed every midfield group member individually. Vossy has found his voice but I have this feeling it might be too late.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 07, 2025, 07:58:52 pm
I wasnt a fan of that conversation in front of the other players who were equally poor and would have preferred it was away from the cameras where people couldnt lip read. Our leaders needed spraying last game and told to play their fecking role as much as Binns imho.
Who is to say it didn't, but only 1 was caught on camera. This week him talking with the leaders was caught on camera. Where is the same criticising of that?
I think there is a difference how you speak to senior players, when and where you do it and how you speak to younger players. If Binns wasnt following orders I would have dragged and spoken to him on the phone in private explaining why and what was expected and then later on when I did my video reviews pointing out his errors.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 08, 2025, 01:25:53 am
Who is to say it didn't, but only 1 was caught on camera. This week him talking with the leaders was caught on camera. Where is the same criticising of that?
I think there is a difference how you speak to senior players, when and where you do it and how you speak to younger players. If Binns wasnt following orders I would have dragged and spoken to him on the phone in private explaining why and what was expected and then later on when I did my video reviews pointing out his errors.
Binns himself said he and vossy are fine. They have had conversations after the fact and talked through everything involved. The supporters are the ones up in arms about this, not the people involved. Binns is a grown man, as is vossy.
Hell, I copped a few sprays in my under-age years and I wasn't the only ones on the receiving end. Sometimes you need to hear it.
Why is this such a thing with binns?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 08, 2025, 08:16:32 am
I think there is a difference how you speak to senior players, when and where you do it and how you speak to younger players. If Binns wasnt following orders I would have dragged and spoken to him on the phone in private explaining why and what was expected and then later on when I did my video reviews pointing out his errors.
Binns himself said he and vossy are fine. They have had conversations after the fact and talked through everything involved. The supporters are the ones up in arms about this, not the people involved. Binns is a grown man, as is vossy.
Hell, I copped a few sprays in my under-age years and I wasn't the only ones on the receiving end. Sometimes you need to hear it.
Why is this such a thing with binns?
Sounds good and reasonable in theory, K... However... I think you've left out one important ingredient - Our PR/media/marketing dept.
Interesting that Binnsy was given to the media for interview. Prepared script? Likely.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: northernblue on July 08, 2025, 08:40:29 am
I think we all understand that Binns wasn’t going to come out and state the coach hates and picks on him. Binns came across as being mature and professional in his outlook to his credit.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 08, 2025, 09:58:58 am
I think we all understand that Binns wasn’t going to come out and state the coach hates and picks on him. Binns came across as being mature and professional in his outlook to his credit.