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Title: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 19, 2025, 02:14:03 pm
Hopefully, I'll be back not too long after the game is over to put in my 2 cents worth.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: northernblue on July 19, 2025, 10:41:29 pm
Glad to hear Rewaldt change his tune re Mays dog act.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on July 19, 2025, 10:48:35 pm
TdK burying his knee in the thug's head taking that mark was a fair slice of karma, served cold.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: rocky on July 19, 2025, 10:50:02 pm
While I'm not a fan of May, is there was ever a football act accident, that was it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: LordLucifer on July 19, 2025, 11:32:13 pm
Moir - why have they not given him more senior games ?? Showed enough to suggest he will become a handy player, just needs to back it up next week and the week after etc.
Weitering was very good tonite, maybe that had something to do with teaching O'Farrell some of the finer points of defence ??
Pittonet was also very good (and that is something I don't write very often), however, apart from that huge grab, TDK did very little.
Cowan, he's got that 'dog with a bone' approach back again and we are all the better for it.
Carroll did some good things & snagged a goal.
White is a VFL player only, despite Evans showing he has eyes only for the ball and paid an awful penalty, he is well out of his depth at AFL level.
I nearly fell off my couch when I saw Curnow chase and lay a tackle, maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel, his set shot bomb at the end was superb, he needs to get rid of that low percentage kick across the body rubbish too.
They have to persist with O'Farrell, although he is stil light and can get pushed of the ball by the bigger bodies, he has shown enough to warrant senior selection for the remainder of the season and that will also help his development.
Fogarty continues to go goal-less with his 11 touch game, I've run out of patience with this guy.
I really felt we were going to get pipped on the bell, they were swarming late and only were close enough to pinch it, to our guys credit, they played the percentages perfectly for the lastr 3-mins and were able to hold on to that 10-point lead.
A fair bit to like and a fair bit to dislike, the main one being that third quarter fade which allowed them to whittle away what was a resonable lead in a low scoring match.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on July 19, 2025, 11:42:17 pm
Good 4 quarter effort. Re moir. He got a chance against Collingwood and gave us as close to his impersonation of the invisible man as possible.
Then he had a prolific performance against North Melbourne's vfl side and jumped into the ones and has been in ever since.
The win showed some grit. Good effort. Possibly the first time weve done 4 quarters all season but just goes to show what happens when you take your chances.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Micky0 on July 20, 2025, 12:13:21 am
Enjoyable game to watch live - I was proud of the effort and sustained interest! Watching the young kids each do something for the team and their own careers was the big highlight for me.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: pinot on July 20, 2025, 12:32:45 am
Hopefully H returns. If we expect Moir to kick four goals every game then we are in trouble and I rate him highly. Moir will develop into a 12-15 possession 1.5 goal per season type player Melbourne are a crap outfit and all those free kicks helped us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 20, 2025, 12:48:47 am
Moir - why have they not given him more senior games ?? Showed enough to suggest he will become a handy player, just needs to back it up next week and the week after etc.
Moir's fitness was coming from a long way back. It has taken some time to get the kms into his legs. He still needs to work on his body strength, but on the ABC tonight, Weitering claimed that Moir was an excellent trainer. I still think he has considerable improvement in him yet, but he did show he has a future. I really liked that. The question now becomes, do we give Lemmey a game or three to see if he has what it takes? According to the injury list, H should be back in 2 weeks. Once he is back, Lemmey will not feature.
We had 10 of our best unavailable tonight; they had 3. Does that tell us where the various futures of the 2 clubs lay? Certainly, their game depends on Gawn's dominance. Without it, or Pickett, and they are looking very vulnerable.
Weitering was very good tonite, maybe that had something to do with teaching O'Farrell some of the finer points of defence ??
Again, on the interview for ABC radio, Weitering was talking about that. He referred to it as 'paying it forward', as he got tutoring from good players in the past. I like that; it has quite a Heinleinian ring to it. Certainly, tonight you could tell that Weitering was back to something like normal fitness. He took on Melksham and gave him a football lesson; 11 possessions, but 9 of them were intercept possessions, as were 6 of his 8 marks. Then there was the way he strangled Melksham and punched the ball away. Weitering had a big night, and a big influence over the result.
Pittonet was also very good (and that is something I don't write very often), however, apart from that huge grab, TDK did very little.
Pitto was good tonight. Gawn beat him, he had a lot more taps, but he didn't influence the game like he could. Gawn had 19 possessions to Pitto's 8, but he couldn't dominate. That was a win for Pitto.
Cowan, he's got that 'dog with a bone' approach back again and we are all the better for it.
This was probably Cowan's most complete game. Not only is he tenacious, which I love, but he took some really important marks tonight, a couple of absolute rippers. He broke tackles and he broke up Melbourne's forward flow. I was really pleased with Cowan.
Carroll is a youngster very much with a youngster's body. He needs to put on 5 to 10 kgs of muscles. However, he kept putting in tonight; a couple of his kicks were brilliant. It will probably be 2027 before he is physically ready, but we know he has the heart to be ready. Now we just have to develop him properly. I loved his goal and the response from the other players.
White is a VFL player only, despite Evans showing he has eyes only for the ball and paid an awful penalty, he is well out of his depth at AFL level.
I probably wouldn't have selected White this week; his form in the VFL hasn't been that good. He was better last year. However, he was another one who put in and did some nice things when it mattered. That was the difference tonight; when it mattered, guys stood up. That hasn't been the case over much of this year. Frank the Tank was probably enjoying his most effective game for us (that doesn't say a lot, but...) when May took him out. He won't be available next week, and will probably have to come back via the VFL. For once, his kicking for goal was good; his goal was excellent, and he was looking dangerous (and that hadn't happened before). I don't think he has a future, but he was another who can be pleased with his game (if he remembers any of it). As for May, Melbourne are going to be missing him for 4 weeks.
I nearly fell off my couch when I saw Curnow chase and lay a tackle, maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel, his set shot bomb at the end was superb, he needs to get rid of that low percentage kick across the body rubbish too.
Charlie is a confidence and kicking the early goal was just what he needed. He had 15 possessions and 8 marks, which shows he wasn't bad at all. That final goal is the one we want him to replicate, week in, week out. He had 18 possessions and 10 marks a couple of weeks ago, but 0 goals. That little confidence was the difference. That said, Charlie will be better when H is back, as H will attract a lot of the attention Charlie has been fielding. I think it was also the first time for the year that Charlie has kicked a goal after half time. I loved the chase and tackle, we really needed something like that. Now, to see more of it. The other things that shows that Charlie is nowhere near his best (fitness wise or otherwise) is that he isn't getting goals on the ground. When he is playing well, he is dangerous because he doesn't have to get marks to kick goals. I don't think Charlie has kicked one this year that didn't come from a mark or free (and there have been damned few frees),
They have to persist with O'Farrell, although he is stil light and can get pushed of the ball by the bigger bodies, he has shown enough to warrant senior selection for the remainder of the season and that will also help his development.
Like Carroll, HOF's body isn't ready for senior football; he gets pushed around far too easily. But he shows more a little. He has a huge leap on him. He will take mark of the year some day.
Fogarty continues to go goal-less with his 11 touch game, I've run out of patience with this guy.
I think Fog has to go. He doesn't hit the scoreboard. I think he was gone a couple of years back, but his work rate and pressure won him a place. He isn't having the same effect at the moment and he doesn't get to the right places often enough. When we have some better small forwards, Fog is toast.
I really felt we were going to get pipped on the bell, they were swarming late and only were close enough to pinch it, to our guys credit, they played the percentages perfectly for the lastr 3-mins and were able to hold on to that 10-point lead.
Indeed, we showed a lot more poise in the last quarter than we have for most of this year. Even Tom de Koning, who wasn't having a great night, came to the party with a spectacular mark. Nor was he alone. And we managed to earn frees because we wanted the ball. Got to like that.
A fair bit to like and a fair bit to dislike, the main one being that third quarter fade which allowed them to whittle away what was a reasonable lead in a low scoring match.
Indeed, I don't think we've won a 3rd quarter all year, but we seem to be doing something in the last. Small steps.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 20, 2025, 12:52:03 am
Enjoyable game to watch live - I was proud of the effort and sustained interest! Watching the young kids each do something for the team and their own careers was the big highlight for me.
To be honest, before the game I didn't think we had enough talent or desire to shut down their good players. We are lacking 10 top liners, after all, even though Essendon are getting all the benefit for injuries hurting them. I love the way Carroll, Cowan and Moir really put their hands up. Flynn Young didn't do a lot, but his goal was brilliant. 1 goal 2: he turns that around and he might have a future.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 20, 2025, 12:59:52 am
Melbourne have really flown under the radar with Carlton and Essendon grabbing the headlines for not winning, but that are below both Carlton and Essendon on the ladder, without having the injury issues. That must be frightening for them. At the moment, if Gawn doesn't dominate, they don't win and Gawn is no spring chicken. Nor do they seem to have the players coming up to replace their stars. Their forward football is as bad as ours, without any of the excuses that we have. I would not be surprised to see Melbourne in the media a lot this week; they deserve to be.
Can we bring the same level of commitment against Hawthorn on Thursday night? I doubt it: Hawthorn's delivery can be elite. I hate Thursday night football, as I can't get to the games. But we haven't won one this year yet.
After a pretty quiet year by his standards, Patrick Cripps really stood up tonight: 29 possessions, the best on the ground. He was particularly up for that last quarter. 5 tackles and 8 clearances was Cripps-like! However, he was only Carlton player in the top 11 possession getters!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Lods on July 20, 2025, 07:56:03 am
The pleasing things tonight... A couple of players who I suspect have been carrying injuries looked much better. Charlie, Cripps and Weitering all played well. Charlie in particular over the last two weeks has improved and looks much more free in his movement.
Younger players stood up and started to show they have a future. Moir, Carroll and especially Cowan (who should never play VFL again.) ;)
The most important thing for me.....
If there are rifts between the playing group they weren't on display tonight. Apart from one angry look from Weitering :D when someone obviously didn't play their role... the players looked united, and all celebrated good efforts, especially goals.
A turning point, or just a release of the pressure valve for a week? The next three weeks aren't easy and we could be back to 'doom and gloom' by the end of it, but hopefully the players might just have got a taste for what it feels like to win a game again, and go after a few more of those.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 20, 2025, 08:16:46 am
Wins a win, Ill take anything.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: tonyo on July 20, 2025, 08:19:05 am
Charlie may have finally learned one of the oldest maxims in football - the harder you work, the luckier you get. He worked his backside off last night, and I think it had a real effect on those around him.
Moir is a finisher (apart from his clanger in the last). He only needs 8 kicks a game to have a real influence, and will be even better once he learns a bit more about forward craft. I can see him developing into an Izak Rankine type.
Carroll is starting to learn that his left foot can be a weapon. Between he and Cowan, there is finally some serious kicking power coming out of our back half. They need to trust their ability to run with the ball to make it even more potent.
Nice to hear the song at the end of the game as well as the beginning.......
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on July 20, 2025, 09:27:12 am
I want to give our cheer squad and fans a bit of a clip. I was sitting ponsford stand end and they were so quiet they were almost inaudible. Also Saturday night to only get 40k at the G (a generous 40k at that) isnt good enough and there was plenty of Melbourne colours in the MCC which means only one third of our membership base pulled their finger out in a very winnable game.
Sure, we arent going well, and its easier to stay home when its cold, but the club needs us, the players will see a more empty crowd and feel differently about us too, but one of my other clubs has a saying (in greek). Olympiakos when its easy, Legendary when its difficult. They are nicknamed the legend, so I suppose it should be Carlton when its easy, Blue Baggers in the hard times.
Despite the inappropriate translation, the sentiment is precise. Its easy to be a fair weather supporter, and we need to show that we deserve the big show and the big stage as much as the team does.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on July 20, 2025, 09:49:08 am
Best game he has played for at least a couple of months. Seemed to have regained some mobility and a willingness to move further up-field, rather than staying put on the FB line - or was that because his opponent dragged him into the action. Whatever the reason, it was a welcome return to have him back in the action.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on July 20, 2025, 09:51:03 am
Especially rapt for the kids to get to experience a win, sing the song and get Gatoraded!
Without wanting to be a wet blanket, the Go Dees and umps helped us later in the game with errors.
I thought the leaders led well - where's that been for so many months? Bravo: Charles, Crippa, Doc, Haynesy (though a little down) and Weiters. Cez, the Lord and Hewey also deserve a mention... the quiet achievers.
Concerns: Will W seems to have lost his spark. Although only playing a quarter and a bit Durdin just hasn't any 'tricks' and for someone who's been in the system for years, that's a worry. Motlop and Fog.
Perhaps unpopular to write this, but Frankie E, despite shortcomings, may just be worth persisting with. Ditto Flynn Y.
Although Ashton M won't kick four every week, he must stay in the starting twenty two. One of those unique players up forward who can create something out of nothing with limited disposals/opportunities.
Even though HOF will probably go back to the Magoos on JSOSs return, he'll be really important in 2026 and beyond - oozes talent.
Carroll, Cowan and Hollands, rippers.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 20, 2025, 10:03:50 am
Especially rapt for the kids to get to experience a win, sing the song and get Gatoraded!
Without wanting to be a wet blanket, the Go Dees and umps helped us later in the game with errors.
I thought the leaders led well - where's that been for so many months? Bravo: Charles, Crippa, Doc, Haynesy (though a little down) and Weiters. Cez, the Lord and Hewey also deserve a mention... the quiet achievers.
Concerns: Will W seems to have lost his spark. Although only playing a quarter and a bit Durdin just hasn't any 'tricks' and for someone who's been in the system for years, that's a worry. Motlop and Fog.
Perhaps unpopular to write this, but Frankie E, despite shortcomings, may just be worth persisting with. Ditto Flynn Y.
Although Ashton M won't kick four every week, he must stay in the starting twenty two. One of those unique players up forward who can create something out of nothing with limited disposals/opportunities.
Even though HOF will probably go back to the Magoos on JSOSs return, he'll be really important in 2026 and beyond - oozes talent.
Carroll, Cowan and Hollands, rippers.
Cowan, assuming he doesnt go to the Tassie team, will captain our club in the not too distant future. Perhaps both he and Ollie Cap and VC. Love their attack on the footy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 20, 2025, 10:07:16 am
Not sure what to think of the May Evans incident, I cant help but think it was an unfortunate football collision as opposed to May lining him up. May's hands are going for the footy at all times. May's problem is that his past indiscretions, rightly or wrongly, will probably count against him. Let's reverse the roles and say it was Weiters on Kosy Pickett, what would our thoughts be then? Dog act or footy incident?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: cookie2 on July 20, 2025, 10:28:54 am
Especially rapt for the kids to get to experience a win, sing the song and get Gatoraded!
Without wanting to be a wet blanket, the Go Dees and umps helped us later in the game with errors.
I thought the leaders led well - where's that been for so many months? Bravo: Charles, Crippa, Doc, Haynesy (though a little down) and Weiters. Cez, the Lord and Hewey also deserve a mention... the quiet achievers.
Concerns: Will W seems to have lost his spark. Although only playing a quarter and a bit Durdin just hasn't any 'tricks' and for someone who's been in the system for years, that's a worry. Motlop and Fog.
Perhaps unpopular to write this, but Frankie E, despite shortcomings, may just be worth persisting with. Ditto Flynn Y.
Although Ashton M won't kick four every week, he must stay in the starting twenty two. One of those unique players up forward who can create something out of nothing with limited disposals/opportunities.
Even though HOF will probably go back to the Magoos on JSOSs return, he'll be really important in 2026 and beyond - oozes talent.
Carroll, Cowan and Hollands, rippers.
Cowan, assuming he doesnt go to the Tassie team, will captain our club in the not too distant future. Perhaps both he and Ollie Cap and VC. Love their attack on the footy.
Interesting. I think we saw the stirrings of our team’s transition last night. The younger brigade stepped up for sure, and I was very happy with the performances of our mature core group. Went to bed reasonably happy last night.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Lods on July 20, 2025, 11:07:31 am
Perhaps unpopular to write this, but Frankie E, despite shortcomings, may just be worth persisting with. Ditto Flynn Y.
Fantasia and Evans were doing some of their best work before they were injured in the last two games I'm not sure either will survive the end of season cull, but I'm pretty sure one of the reasons they keep getting picked is that they play their role and follow coach's instructions
Evans is only 23 (24 next month) so there may still be a bit of improvement there but, I suspect there is a bit of quality in some of the other younger players starting to show up and the fight for spots may become harder.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on July 20, 2025, 11:15:12 am
Hard to know what to make of that, or how much weight it will carry for the end of season decision making. Melbourne won most of the key statistical indicators, and on paper at least, should've won. We made the most of our chances, and were surprisingly efficient, so that's a plus. None of which is terribly convincing, and it did look like 2 teams who have had middling seasons, at least to my eyes.
Nice to see some youngsters catch the eye and nice to see some oldies looking more like their best selves.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Micky0 on July 20, 2025, 11:20:06 am
I want to give our cheer squad and fans a bit of a clip. I was sitting ponsford stand end and they were so quiet they were almost inaudible. Also Saturday night to only get 40k at the G (a generous 40k at that) isnt good enough and there was plenty of Melbourne colours in the MCC which means only one third of our membership base pulled their finger out in a very winnable game.
Sure, we arent going well, and its easier to stay home when its cold, but the club needs us, the players will see a more empty crowd and feel differently about us too, but one of my other clubs has a saying (in greek). Olympiakos when its easy, Legendary when its difficult. They are nicknamed the legend, so I suppose it should be Carlton when its easy, Blue Baggers in the hard times.
Despite the inappropriate translation, the sentiment is precise. Its easy to be a fair weather supporter, and we need to show that we deserve the big show and the big stage as much as the team does.
Whilst generally I would agree with this it was an extraordinarily cold, dark, miserable night and the traffic was absolutely at a standstill coming off the Eastern and on Hoddle St due to presumably the Mernda and Hurstbridge lines being down due to the track derailment… it took a massive effort to get in last night.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 20, 2025, 11:22:02 am
Not sure what to think of the May Evans incident, I cant help but think it was an unfortunate football collision as opposed to May lining him up. May's hands are going for the footy at all times. May's problem is that his past indiscretions, rightly or wrongly, will probably count against him. Let's reverse the roles and say it was Weiters on Kosy Pickett, what would our thoughts be then? Dog act or footy incident?
The outcomes of the match review are almost totally based on outcomes these days. Note Ben Camporeale's long ban. I expect May to get wiped out: he is a repeat offender.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Micky0 on July 20, 2025, 11:25:22 am
May also braces his shoulder - I don’t necessarily think it was an intentional dog act but I do think he could’ve done more to lessen the impact.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: laj on July 20, 2025, 11:27:13 am
The more blokes we have out the better we get for some reason.
Late last year, last 2 games, even though we lost the last game in the last 12 seconds (Saints were white hot late last year), we played some really good footy with 20 blokes out. Depth is better than we think, we don't use it enough.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on July 20, 2025, 11:29:19 am
It's not unanimous, but the consensus position in the media seems to be that May will go straight to the Tribunal, possibly rubbed out for a few weeks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on July 20, 2025, 11:33:08 am
What's up with Adam Saad ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 20, 2025, 11:39:51 am
Not sure what to think of the May Evans incident, I cant help but think it was an unfortunate football collision as opposed to May lining him up. May's hands are going for the footy at all times. May's problem is that his past indiscretions, rightly or wrongly, will probably count against him. Let's reverse the roles and say it was Weiters on Kosy Pickett, what would our thoughts be then? Dog act or footy incident?
The outcomes of the match review are almost totally based on outcomes these days. Note Ben Camporeale's long ban. I expect May to get wiped out: he is a repeat offender.
Understand that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 20, 2025, 11:42:04 am
What do you mean? Form wise? One thing I noted was how happy we was during and after the game, normally very reserved he was high 5ing, jumping on guys, not normal for Saady I reckon.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on July 20, 2025, 11:43:33 am
What do you mean? Form wise? One thing I noted was how happy we was during and after the game, normally very reserved he was high 5ing, jumping on guys, not normal for Saady I reckon.
Yes, form wise. He's certainly not alone, but like Blake Acres, his form has tapered right off IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on July 20, 2025, 11:55:31 am
I want to give our cheer squad and fans a bit of a clip. I was sitting ponsford stand end and they were so quiet they were almost inaudible. Also Saturday night to only get 40k at the G (a generous 40k at that) isnt good enough and there was plenty of Melbourne colours in the MCC which means only one third of our membership base pulled their finger out in a very winnable game.
Sure, we arent going well, and its easier to stay home when its cold, but the club needs us, the players will see a more empty crowd and feel differently about us too, but one of my other clubs has a saying (in greek). Olympiakos when its easy, Legendary when its difficult. They are nicknamed the legend, so I suppose it should be Carlton when its easy, Blue Baggers in the hard times.
Despite the inappropriate translation, the sentiment is precise. Its easy to be a fair weather supporter, and we need to show that we deserve the big show and the big stage as much as the team does.
Whilst generally I would agree with this it was an extraordinarily cold, dark, miserable night and the traffic was absolutely at a standstill coming off the Eastern and on Hoddle St due to presumably the Mernda and Hurstbridge lines being down due to the track derailment… it took a massive effort to get in last night.
I live in Greensborough.
I get it, its why I won't have a go at any one person for not going, but the ones that were there weren't exactly getting loud. I was not far from the Melbourne cheers quad and they were louder during the game than ours was after goals at times.
I still think we should be getting 50k to a home game at the G. We cant complain about marvel when that happens vs another Melbourne based side.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on July 20, 2025, 12:00:52 pm
May also braces his shoulder - I don’t necessarily think it was an intentional dog act but I do think he could’ve done more to lessen the impact.
He's just another one of those unlucky players.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on July 20, 2025, 02:19:48 pm
How do Melbourne escape the media blowtorch? No injuries, far better team on paper, won majority of statistical indicators... Yet lost to a scratch side full of kids and out of form players. I picked the dees by 8 goals so I was way wrong, I suspect a few media pundits were too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: northernblue on July 20, 2025, 02:42:17 pm
While I'm not a fan of May, is there was ever a football act accident, that was it.
Not for me. May lost the race to the ball, and just ran his line through Frankie and collected him with his shoulder. At no time did May try to tackle, grab the ball or even brace for impact he just kept his body square on and ran through him. Mays only saving grace is that he didn’t coathanger him like he would have 30 yrs ago. May could have opened his arms up and wrapped Frankie in a big ol bear hug of a tackle. No duty of care shown.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on July 20, 2025, 03:02:46 pm
100%. Four weeks down to three under today's rules.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Shakin77 on July 20, 2025, 03:54:06 pm
Anyone think that holding Moir back might have benefited him rather than gift him games when his performance and effort didn't warrant it?
His talent has never been the question. Hopefully the penny has dropped.
He is a player that our forward line desperately needs.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: pew2 on July 20, 2025, 04:42:25 pm
another win thats puts the band aid on ,only pleasing thing last night was watching the kids showing something ,but our game style/ plan is no good ,like i said it took melb 7mins and 38 secs to hit the front in 3rd Q and they moved ball to easily from defence to there fwd line so imagine what a good team can do.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on July 20, 2025, 04:54:17 pm
We're always in it against sides like Melbourne because they have a slow midfield. We look very third rate against modern, fast midfielders like Brisbane.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Micky0 on July 20, 2025, 05:24:10 pm
Whilst generally I would agree with this it was an extraordinarily cold, dark, miserable night and the traffic was absolutely at a standstill coming off the Eastern and on Hoddle St due to presumably the Mernda and Hurstbridge lines being down due to the track derailment… it took a massive effort to get in last night.
I live in Greensborough.
I get it, its why I won't have a go at any one person for not going, but the ones that were there weren't exactly getting loud. I was not far from the Melbourne cheers quad and they were louder during the game than ours was after goals at times.
I still think we should be getting 50k to a home game at the G. We cant complain about marvel when that happens vs another Melbourne based side.
I’m in Eltham.
The Carlton supporters around us did not stop complaining about the players not manning up, one guy in particular did not give it a rest about Pittonet… unfortunately when there’s not a big crowd you can’t help but tune into all these ongoing negatives views - which whilst with some parts I agree, still irritating to listen to a stream of constant vitriol against us.
I thought it was a good win - okay we’re above Melbourne on the ladder but I still was expecting a thumping by them - the team showed some energy and synergy. A lot lot lot better than the past month otherwise.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on July 20, 2025, 05:35:21 pm
our game style/ plan is no good ... they moved ball too easily from defence to their fwd line so imagine what a good team can do.
When you consider our players' lack of skill in kicking to the advantage (or at least not to the disadvantage) of teammates, you have the summation of the failure of Voss and his assistant coaches.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on July 20, 2025, 05:41:13 pm
Anyone think that holding Moir back might have benefited him rather than gift him games when his performance and effort didn't warrant it?
His talent has never been the question. Hopefully the penny has dropped.
He is a player that our forward line desperately needs.
Perhaps.
Anyone think that giving him a game early on was a bit of a reality check to point out where he actually is in the scheme of things and give him something to work towards?
I think it was Vossy who said that he's always been very talented, but he needed to know how to work within a system. I think the earlier game was a good lesson to learn that talent will only take you so far. Playing as/within a team will give you more success.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: PaulP on July 20, 2025, 05:47:52 pm
May straight to the Tribunal.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Lods on July 20, 2025, 06:37:35 pm
Anyone think that holding Moir back might have benefited him rather than gift him games when his performance and effort didn't warrant it?
His talent has never been the question. Hopefully the penny has dropped.
He is a player that our forward line desperately needs.
I do. An early taste. Back to the VFL. Give him some midfield time to get him more involved while he's back there. Promote him and stick with him for a couple of games. Shows us what we've all believed he was capable of.... I think he's been handled very well. ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: DJC on July 20, 2025, 07:02:58 pm
Anyone think that holding Moir back might have benefited him rather than gift him games when his performance and effort didn't warrant it?
His talent has never been the question. Hopefully the penny has dropped.
He is a player that our forward line desperately needs.
I do. An early taste. Back to the VFL. Give him some midfield time to get him more involved while he's back there. Promote him and stick with him for a couple of games. Shows us what we've all believed he was capable of.... I think he's been handled very well. ;)
I was starting to think that Moir wouldn't realise his potential, but dropping him in at the deep end seems to have paid off. By that, I mean that he has been tasked to play as a key forward, third tall and midfield against serious opposition and without much support.
I don't think that he is ever going to be a high possession ball magnet but I believe that he will become an important cog in our forward line and midfield.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on July 20, 2025, 07:31:31 pm
He played against Collingwood x 2 and Brisbane before last night.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on July 20, 2025, 07:41:21 pm
His last two vfl games were very good too. Particularly against Port Melbourne. People say we threw him in the deep end but he stepped up to be a game winner against Port kicking 4.1 and having it 17 times.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on July 20, 2025, 09:09:20 pm
Rewatched the tape, don't know why people are squealing about umpiring, Go Dees had a dream run until 3/4 time including two obvious stages. We got a few late but to say umpiring cost them the game... they only have themselves to blame. Oh, and Oliver and Viney squeal like piglets whenever a decision doesn't go in their favour - not adverse to the odd sly knee or punch either those two. Oliver should be cited for a punch on TdK with two minutes to go - if he's upset about the frees he's giving away he might want to check out his on field discipline. Spent the whole game scragging Cripps and was only called once for holding - when it really mattered.