Ready for tomorrow.
I can only hope we turn up for Doc and Jacob.
God I hate Ginnivan
Blake "Why does my first kick always go out on the full?" Acres does it again
How we play unsociably
God I hate this mob
Acres.... apparently other clubs are interested in him. Good, they can have him.
This is looking ugly
Hawks taking opportunities.
We look to be taking valium
Looks like we haven't turned up again.
Another gutless effort on the cards
FMD, it's Free Kick Hawthorn back in full swing.
Motlop has no awareness.
Just the dumbest footballers in the comp
marks - 17 - 3
We are being mauled and outclassed. Turnover city.
Weeters and Doc obviously mean F all to this bunch of Deadbeats
Harry and Charlie both up on the wing.
Lets move it fast into 50 and kick it as high as we can to a 2-3.
Thanks Doc. :(
If this is how we honour a 200 gamer and a retirey then this club can go and get f@#&ed.
Coach killers
Moir, the only bloke who can find a target inside F50 that is wearing a navy blue jumper.
Plenty of others find a target, but its brown and gold and has stripes.
Funny what a big difference it makes when you find a blue one.
What a disgraceful bunch of @#$%s
Benny Hill music time.
Saad basically let a small forward run off him within 10m of goals, how does that happen?
hanf on you said last week we missed him!!
Please please please, Graham Wright, hire a tackling coach.
Saad is another who needs to be assessed whether he runs around next year...wasting our time based on what I've seen this year.
Cheap free kicks to even things up 90m from goal.
harry is a disaster
Did you see if take a contested mark on the wing before?
There are positives to having him in the side. His kicking is not one of them.
We hit our own harder than we hit the opposition!
Yep coming in cold off a long lay off, ain't going to go well
Sicily clocked Curnow in the head in that marking contest. Play on, nothing to see
Same old mate
We are giving these pricks a free ride.
Docherty gets posterised on his final game.
We are being humiliated. coach has no idea and nor do the players
Go and give them an almighty spray Vossy, that's totally unacceptable.
Riewoldt reading my posts?
Thats not coaching Shawny, that's a complete lack of care, skill, heart and workrate. These goons are worries about footy trips and holidays and its July.
Game over after 10 mins, just like the bad old days. Looks like we're back there again.
This will be a cricket score loss. Disgraceful.
They are treating us with contempt.
Where's the pride?
The stuff of nightmares! We are being crucified.
The Dawks ruck basically shepherds defenders off the contest 5m in front of the umpire, blocking our blokes run at the ball, and it's a mark to the Dawks. It's not even subtle, you glimpse him in the background not even looking at the footy, back turned, bulldozing our blokes to the side.
What's Harry's injury?
That's all.
They sit in their F50 with extra numbers waiting for us to turn it over, and we do!
it is about coaching too. we are playing 3 talls and all playing up the ground.
look at voss in the box. The poor bloke has no clue what is going on.
And the effort from the start was not there. i thought they said Voss main strength was motivating. well that is clearly gone
Hawks hunting and sniping Doc and Weiters. How long will we put up with this?
Kicking into F50 is seriously fked.
no idea no system.
been the same for 10 plus years
Something is clearly very, very wrong with this club.
till the final siren. We are bunch of weak soft c0cks.
there is not one player with any real mongrel.
Saad is clueless.
This could end up being Vossy’s swansong.
I said the same thing to the Mrs, season is over, throw some haymakers, you get suspended you get suspended. No need to put up with that crap, hurt these Kents at least.
We're soft and they know it.
Charlie doing it at both ends.
Up to now Curnow has been among our best (yes I know, low bar). He's the last player we can afford to lose.
Is there any screwen danger one of our fwds can work to the front of a defender FFS.
Im done, this is too upsetting, goodnight.
Acres nice marks turns it over.
charlie all the time in the world and tried to pinpoint to a midget but kicks it straight to day.
this team has no fking idea
king constantly saying how structured and organised they are. thats coaching folks.
Weak and insipid effort. Truly a low point.
Back at square 1.
I’m embarrassed to be a Carlton supporter
This is embarrassing.
Some of their little bastards are pushing our guys around, actually they are bitch-slapping them and not one Blues player can be bothered throwing some muscle around.
I don't care if we get a few guys suspended, bloody fight back, throw a cut-lunch or two !!
We are critical how are players kick the ball up into the air, but a lot of the problem is the lack of movement and no one leading. Also, no run from behind with anyone prepared to take a hand-ball.
Ab
Spot on. We have none of it.
No system, no structure, no idea
It is obvious that we simply don't give a @#$#.
Weiters 200th & Doc's farewell game ............... where is the respect from our guys ??
If you are going to get beaten, at least go down swinging.
Where's the respect in your own performance?
Not going to be a milestone game every week, but you shouldn't need that 'extra' lift. Take some pride in your own performance
Doc grabbing at his knee.
Thats the last thing we need.
I agree Kruds but for once they have a bone-fide reason to throw the kitchen sink at the opposition but they are meek & weak.
O'Farrell is a player, one or two good preseasons and some Weitering mentoring and he'll be ok.
More passion and want for the contest in this thread than the frauds running around on field tonight.
We have played a terrible half of footy.
Yet, we are only 5 goals down.
We know we can turn things around rather quickly, albeit we haven't seen it much lately, but we are not out of this game.
A spray at half time and we may see a different Carlton after half time.
Hawks see us as done, we've rolled over.
We might be able to get the jump on them early in the 3rd and then who knows.
what a collection of mentally and physically weak players this list has.
even our bigger bodies crumble woth physical contact.
add in a coach who has no clue on systems structures and players that cannot hot a target and unfortunately only a complete clean out is the inly option as this collection is not getting it done . EOS.
pls mate. take the blue glasses off.
they have more gears to go to as well. we are absolutely cooked.
Coaches and players don't get amnesia. Voss is the same coach and the list is mostly the same as our recent good run. The whole joint is low on confidence, and no new coach or list clean-out is going to change that.
I'm expecting a loss.
I tipped a loss.
I won't be surprised if its a 10-goal loss.
But......we are schizophrenic bunch who sometimes remember how to play footy. When and where we flick that switch or what triggers it? Well thats anybody's guess. But they do have it in them....sometimes.
TBH, thats even more frustrating because we know they can do it.....they just......don't.
Will they tonight??
ok so just keep doing the same thing and anchor your self to the bottom of the ladder for the next decade.
this list produced one good half of a season thats it. and even those wins were very lucky and ciuld have gone either way.
we did nothing to improve and went backwards all while out oppostion continued to add pieces and got better.
we need to stop looking at that one season as a reason why the list and coach are still capable
they clearly are not.
We are being out-hustled and out-muscled.
but how often have we done it in the last 2 years. we are all bark no bite.
we have beaten noone except Geelong of note in the last 18 months.
we are no hope mate in this one at all.
We have turned over more executives, more Presidents, more players, more coaches, more football department staff than any other club in the last 25 years. Because every time we hit some turbulence, the angry irrational hordes demand that "We have to do something. We can't just do nothing." And so here we are.
If Blake Acres and Mark Pittonet are your leading possession getters, then (for different reasons) you're probably in a bit of strife. :(
Our tackles just don't stick.
Too many light frames.
We have been 'no hope' in plenty of games we end up winning. Thats the point. We don't know what we are going to get or we don't know when we are going to get it.
Look through every pre-game thread and in every thread there is a sack the coach, sack the players, sack the board......
and then in the odd one you get the same exact thing and then you get a "oh we won." at the end of it.
You don't know when you'll get it.
Go back 2 years.
We were down 6 goals to GC around 1/4 time.
We ended up winning that, and the next 10 weeks or whatever it was.
Noody saw that coming then.
im done going back 2 years mate.
Lets not forget there is 6 teams behind us on the ladder write now.
As bad as we've been, there's plenty worse.
true there is. but i thought the whole
idea of this never ending rebuild was to win a flag not be looking positively when we sit 6 off the wooden spoon
Go back 3 months then.....
This continued with back and forth for a bit.
Its from the Geelong game.
:-[
You don't want a never ending rebuild, but you want to sack everyone and start again when we are mid-pack with room to improve.
Do you know what you want? Besides blood??
the window is closed krudd.
time to start again. no orher way around it.
Clearly Voss is telling the boys to not stick their tackles.
Acres had 7 players standing over him then and not one Carlton player stepped in.
Oh no. Docherty having a laugh with Sicily.....burn him!!!
Or is he a favourite so that doesn't apply?
Or perhaps thats just normal no matter who you are.
Pitto out.
Lord in.
Probably would've subbed TDK instead considering he is turning his back on the club.....but doing the opposite of what is logical is par for the course for our mob. ::)
Thats 1.7mil worth of smarts and skills right there. :o
There has to be a middle ground imo, the ostrich approach is not going to improve or achieve anything. Nor will complete cleanouts. I dont know what is the answer to fixing this disaster club/team, but I know if some things don't change then we will end up down with WCE in 2-4 years at the current trajectory.
"The right thought which leads to the right action" is what we need. Nothing more, nothing less. Are we Carlton, or are we Richmond at the end of 2016, Geelong circa 2005-06, or even the Crows last year ? It was only 12 months ago that Nicks was a rubbish coach.
Spineless. Gutless. Brainless. Legless. Shameless.
Team of no-bodies. Have been for 3 or so generations of players.
Makes an mockery of the moving comments of Doc, Weiters et al.
EOS.
Many supporters will follow suit and give up. Can't knock them for that just hope they do it respectfully.
hes certainly not telling them about a game plan.
Docherty take a bow.
Well done Doc 👏🏼
Someone who has a genuine purpose
Take a bow
Looking very hard for positives. I'll even take green shoots.
We now have as many tackles as points on the board 😵💫
We've managed to neutralize / equalize the 2nd and 3rd quarters. If we did that from the start, it would've been a fairly even contest. Hopefully we can show the same fight in the last.
I hear you Paul, but provide one tangible reason why we should retain Voss going forwards. Not hope, not a hunch, not because some other side stuck with a coach and it worked for them - because there's many examples of sticking with a coach that took a club even lower.
IMHO both players, the coach and the entire football club are all equally culpable in this clusterf**K and they all should be up for review - it's just easier to sack the coach.
LoveNavy...one positive is O'Farrell. There's our next premiership CHB.
Cmon Blues.
1q. Do it for Doc.
provide me a reason why you think the next training wheels coach or the next topping-up-their-super coach is going to do better ? Provide me a reason why you think the next batch of high draft picks is going to do better ? There are no guarantees with any plan. It seems reasonable to me that one should avoid going back to a set of ideas that have failed repeatedly and that one should try something different.
His progress has been quite astounding IMO. None of the "talls take a while" for this young man. It's a credit 🙌
To be fair, a few of the kids have shown a bit this year. Are we capable of growth, cohesion, execution of a modern gamestyle? That’s the question.
Who are the respective mid and forward coaches for Hawks…?
If the wheel was going to turn. It will turn quicker with a bloke who is already at the club, knows the players etc
Getting a new coach in, there is the introductory stage where he needs a year before he can even evaluate things.....and there's no guarantee that he'll be better after that.
Adrian Hickmott is the forwards coach. Kade Simpson is defence and David Hale mids.
When you have 17 small forwards in your side, and you are trying a dump kick out of defence, chances are your blokes will be outmarked.
Need to be smarter coming out of defence.
.....and going inside 50
Lost 1st quarter.
Lost 2nd quarter by 1 point
Drew in 3rd quarter
Won final quarter
Not terrible....but could've been a lot worse.
Competitive and held our own for 3 quarters, asleep in the 1st.
Somehow only lost by 24pts after being 29pts down at qtr time.
An improvement, certainly, as the game went on. But still disappointing that we couldn't bring the same intensity at the start.
Thanks Paul, we need them.
Time to swap over and rake another disappointment over the coals. :(
Yep we didn’t end up being belted but cold comfort. I just feel sad for Doc.