At Freo next Sunday at 17:10. Can they find a worse time for us? Honestly, the 'draw' is a joke!
With no 2nds game, telling who deserves to come in is going to be impossible.
Who to replace will be interesting as well. But can we play 4 quarters?
If i hear one person say 'it would be like us to win this' i will spew.
We have a pretty good record at this ground...this season :D
A freshen up for Cripps, recovering from the draining week of a great mate retiring, it's on the cards! ;)
I said pre-game this week that Doc retiring can go either way, it can be a boost or a burden, it turns out it looked like our blokes had already played that game to exhaustion. This week will be a relief.
If we wanted to undo the Dawks, we should have played endless repeat videos of what Clarkson did to Fev, not video highlights of Docs career. What Fev should have done on the day was put Franklin and Roughead in emergency with a knee to the back of the head! If Franklin and Roughead were men, they would have told Clarkson to feck off!
This will be painful.
Rest anyone who needs a rest and prepare for the last 3 games in Melbourne.
I wonder what you are watching sometimes.
We started slow. We played better from there. We won the last quarter and outscored them over the last 3.
In all honesty, it was an 'average' effort. No boost. No burden. Just middle of the road stuff.
Nothing i saw last night matches what you said here.
Freo with good rucks and midfield probably have us well covered, Id be playing some more kids and trying to find players for next season. We need a backpocket who can kick well and Id be giving Charleson a game, Saad and Acres can have a rest, both were terrible vs the Hawks.
Of those that haven't played yet, and haven't got themselves suspended, Charleson is probably next cab off the rank. He's been winning a fair bit of the ball in the VFL in recent weeks.
A smaller defender who can kick and defend (or at least stay in the same postcode) as his opponent would help. Charleston, Boyd....oh, I forgot, Boyd isn't in the mates club so it will be the same old hacks making the same old errors and half arsed efforts against Freo.
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Can't understand why we have not been playing Jordan Boyd. Regularly among our best in the VFL team.
Competitive, combative, can pass the ball to forwards.
Would be playing him on the wing (where he played his first AFL game) instead of Acres, or playing him back pocket with Matt Carroll on the wing.
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Saad and acres can both have a long rest at seasons end as both should retire.
The game has moved past them and we need to as well.
If it were up to me
FB Cowan Weitering Charleson
HB Haynes OFarrell Hollands
C Carroll Cripps L Camporeale
HF Cerra Curnow Moir
FF Motlop McKay Williams
R OKeeffe Hewett Cincotta
int White Durdin Lord Wilson Boyd (sub)
In OKeeffe Charleson Camporeale Cincotta Wilson Boyd
Out Doc (ret) Fogarty De Koning Acres Saad Pittonet (all omit)
I can see what you're trying to do with the young ones.
I just fear for poor Hudson O'Keeffe :D
The Dawks played one quarter of effort footy and cruised for the next three, it was all over in the first.
I'm not sure their coach would be too pleased.
With percentage going to play a pretty significant part in positions in the eight, you would think clubs involved would be trying to squeeze out as big a margin as possible.
We've seen it in a number of games already this weekend.
Cincotta is one of the best kicks in the team but he is wasted in a tagging role, just because he is sufficiently disciplined to carry out the role. I would like to see him given a chance to play a more positive role.
I don't mind him shadowing someone, but playing through him and letting him get a few kicks is a much better use of his time.
He played a very good game against Tom Stewart a couple of years back, not just because he took Stewart out of the game, but because he kicked a couple of goals himself and was involved in a couple of others. That makes him far more effective.
The other thing I note is that Cincotta generally isn't a part of our centre square team, even when shadowing a key mid; he tends to pick up his man after the bounce. That is just not smart. Having him in there, as an integral part of the midfield, is far better: he runs well and his very good depth to his kicking.
O'Keefe vs Darcy//Jackson could be a recipe for disaster!!
Absolutely.
Glad he's not picking the team.
No Saad no acres already looks better
I think GTC is picking a team to find players and develop, dont think many of us care anymore about the result we are just looking for youth that can show something for the future.
Testing HOK vs Jackson and Darcy is similar to playing Harry OFarrell on Patrick Voss who will probably try and punch his lights out like he does every week to his opponent and its all a learning experience which is what we want imho.
Id expect Fremantle to probably play a couple of quarters to win the game and then ease back on the throttle and rest some players later on so I reckon its a good game for some more youth to be played.
That would be the smart way to select this time of the year. Even play Cripps forward as Geelong sometimes do with Dangerfield. He'd be s tough match up.
Season is already a disaster. May as well go for it. Be a nice learning experience.
That's like seeing if a young boxer can fight and asking him to go against both Tyson and Ali.
Not sure how much you are going to learn.
If Patrick Voss tried to punch one of our blokes, slot him right back. Or put a knee/fist in during a marking contest, that's apparently a "football act". Enough's enough
I wouldn't be so keen to play kids against strong opposition. Maybe against Essendon in the last round. Other than that, it feels like tanking and throwing in the towel, which we should never ever do. There's always something to play for. Other than that, you are just setting up the kids for failure and the start of embracing a losing culture. The better teams play youngsters in winning, stable systems, to maximize their chances of learning a successful culture.
Don't see the point in sending out the same tried and failed players.
Richmond have played their kids all season and been fine.
Maybe our kids can look after the senior players who are meant to be looking after them...
We've got PA, Suns and Essendon where we can play the young ones. Don't let them get flogged in the West for their first taste of senior footy.
We didnt even back a retiring legend like doc. that speaks volumnes of the lack of character and hardness of this list. They are mentally and physically as soft as butter and wont amount to anything.
I'm sure he wasn't by the end of the round.
FC showed vision of Fogarty and White sharing a joke and laughing at half time in the rooms. I'd have been livid given we were being hammered and it was Docs farewell game, clearly the players are either not professional and just seeing out time or just don't care about the club or their teammates.
Kingsley went ballistic at GWS at half time in their game but we seem happy to accept losing and being a rubbish team.
This is the antithesis of what it takes to enjoy your footy.
The occasional spray is fine, but our season is effectively dead, and berating two guys for enjoying themselves in a moment, isnt going to improve the mood about the place, which seems to be a really negative working environment the last 12 months.
You can laugh and muck around when you are winning but when you are performing poorly as a group then that unprofessional behavior needs pulling into line especially as it's on National TV.
White: 5 tackles, 23 pressure acts
Fogarty: 2 tackles, 22 pressure acts
Can't question their effort.
Are we looking to nit pick or was it just two guys trying to stay up beat in the midst of misery. At the end of the day, it wasnt the pumping that was on the cards early, sure the performance was sub par but is a smile here and there that bad? I get the perception on TV angle but no matter what they were going to be picked up. Im a bit each way on this one, especially given White seems to be always smiling and seems like a pretty energetic and cheery bloke.
All the latest sports psychology says that supporters have exclusive rights to determine the correct emotion and the correct behaviors at any point in time. You can't reconstruct the universe from a single drop of water, but apparently you can reconstruct a player's entire being from a single moment on camera. Such obvious rage baiting, and yet supporters don't seem to care. One tiny fragment of not much is all they need, and they can ignore everything else, because their only interest is confirming and validating cherished dogmas and beliefs.
I made a comment DURING the game about Docherty laughing and talking with the opposition.
There is a million and 1 reasons why a player might be laughing during a game, with teammates or with an opposition.
Docherty's opponent might have told him to
"go easy on me otherwise he'll get dropped and delisted if i'm shown up by an old, retiring hack like you"
"go easy and i'll give you a blowie after the game!"
Even Fev in the '99-goal debacle' was having a joke with Guerra during a kick in.
"I'll pay you 10 grand if you dribble it and let me kick my 100th, nobody has to know."
There are times to have a laugh.
You think the "Curnow campfire" was full of people yelling at eachother, or was their plenty of laughter amongst the group as well?
Times have changed people....change with it.
There have been some mighty sledges on the field of sport that make everybody laugh, even the victim!
None better than Judd unloading on his old mates about having stuffed shoulders!
I know a lot of people who play sport for this very reason, it's the best thing about Aussie or Pommie sporting teams that many foreign opposition never understand! For example, The Balmy Army sledging Warnie and Warnie giving it right back!
A few whispers around that Cripps may have injured a hamstring and may not play.
Wait for something official ;)
Think he had one possession in the last quarter vs Hawthorn, so maybe that points to an injury, might as well rest him.
Can’t believe the carry on about two teamates have a laugh, would you rather they were looking for rope and a rafter ?
It's what they did in the 70's, 80's and 90's, which is why we were so successful. If they lost a game, then no sex, no food, no water, no fun, bed of nails, hessian sack cloths, lying prostrate, apologizing profusely and begging for forgiveness to any Carlton fans walking past, promising never to do it again.
Our issues are not down to a 3 second giggle between minor players, you can be quite certain of that.
With all the nonsense and 'rumours of nonsense' going around the club at the moment this game could get really ugly.
Some of the tensions may have been exposed, and that may reflect in the play.
Team selections will be interesting and we may start to rest up a few.
Freo have everything to play for...
Firstly they need to secure their final spot but they are also still a chance for top 4
Blues by 10 ;) :D
If Cripps is injured then it will be Blues by 10 at quarter time and then Freo by 50 plus at games end.
7 reporting Curnow is out, Cerra in doubt
Curnow is apparently 'sore' but with his next game being his 150th it may be the case of missing the away game and playing that milestone game in front of a home crowd (Charlie's crew and all that)
If that is the case, and it's not genuinely an injury that prevents Charlie playing, it probably signals that the result doesn't have a lot of importance and we've pulled up a bit short of the finish line.
Could be a good old belting coming up in the wild west
Charlie done for the year and having a cleanup procedure.
so in Carlton speak thats been managing all year and weve put a line through him now....
Tanking for Whorethorn now.
This is going to get really, really ugly.
Our medical/management care of players has been of dubious quality and when a coach is placed under pressure for his job then there is a flow on effect with the coach probably wanting his best players on the park when in reality they shouldnt be playing imho.
I reckon Skull might play this week
In :F.Young, L.Young, F.Evans, J.Binns, J.Boyd, H.O'Keeffe
Out: S.Docherty (retired), C.Curnow (knee), A.Cerra (Injured)
R20 sub: Cooper Lord
You reckon we can convince docherty to go around again? Not convinced the ins are any better than him.
Our line-up:
B: 42 Adam Saad 23 Jacob Weitering 32 Matthew Carroll
HB: 2 Lachlan Cowan 22 Harry O'Farrell 26 Nick Haynes
C: 13 Blake Acres 9 Patrick Cripps 36 Cooper Lord
HF: 6 Zac Williams 3 Jesse Motlop 4 Oliver Hollands
F: 8 Lachie Fogarty 10 Harry McKay 38 Will White
R: 12 Tom De Koning 29 George Hewett 43 Ashton Moir
Int: 27 Marc Pittonet 45 Flynn Young 33 Lewis Young 44 Francis Evans 19 Corey Durdin 25 Jaxon Binns 37 Jordan Boyd 40 Hudson O'Keeffe
Well, we really do have our VFL team out there. How many more will fall over in the next few weeks? When we play Essendon, there'll be nobody left on either side to put on the field!
[1] How is Fog still getting a game? I can't remember the last time he kicked a goal. For that matter, I don't remember the last time he had 10+ possessions.
[2] Well, we've known for some time that Charlie was less than 100%, but having him out really makes our line-up look questionable (more questionable). Hope H can do a bit better this week.
[3] I hope Boyd plays. I'm not so confident in Binns or Durdin.
[4] HOK? It will be interesting to see if he plays as a forward, as we're missing talls. I wouldn't play him in the ruck against Freo's rucks.
I want us to win for no other reason than not wanting to finish any lower and having to handover to Haw a lower 1st round draft pick. Having said that, I give us a snow balls chance in hell.
Freo by lots.
That's a pity... for the VFL side.
Fully loaded, it probably has more interest than the senior side.
Finals are probably gone now for that group, but they probably could have put a decent side of eligible players on the field had they made it.
I want to see if Skull can give us something to kick to across HF, he might give the Freo backs something to think about with his mobility and pressure.
I wouldn't let our MC pick off a menu, let alone a side.
I wish the young players well, and hope they embrace the experience.
It promises to ge a tough game for us.