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Title: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: crashlander on August 02, 2025, 09:33:38 pm
Ready for the aftermath.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: LordLucifer on August 03, 2025, 07:55:26 pm
11.3 to 2.6 in the second half after holding a 24-point lead at the main break ............................. spare me !!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: blueday on August 03, 2025, 07:57:24 pm
F#(# frauds. Our gun players just aren't all their cracked up to be. Blow it up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: cookie2 on August 03, 2025, 07:58:50 pm
Let the crucifixion begin….
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Slowhand on August 03, 2025, 08:00:33 pm
FITNESS AND CONDITIONING.... :P :P
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: PaulP on August 03, 2025, 08:00:46 pm
Won 3 quarters then just stopped in the 4th. Fremantle are a legitimate finals aspirant with plenty to play for on their home deck, against an undermanned outfit that has physical or mental issues, or both, and little to play for. Oh well.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Bluesers on August 03, 2025, 08:02:05 pm
Same crap, different week! Nothing to add really that hasnt been said 50 times in the last 3-4 months.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: shawny on August 03, 2025, 08:04:40 pm
We try just not able to go with teams when they get into gear or change the way the game is being played. No answers no reponse. Nothing. Voss has one game plan and thats it.
And can i say if Harry has any trade value left we need to offload this guy now. A Poodle has more presence then this bloke. Now can you be 6 foot 10 and play such a timid way.
He would have to be the least physically impossing tall forward in the game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Thryleon on August 03, 2025, 08:06:44 pm
O Farrell going off left us a bit short down back.
Umpires definitely helped freo get going. They gave us the Corey durdin short kick but thats about all we got and the sealer from voss was a non holding the ball free kick given what passes for a legal disposal these days.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Professer E on August 03, 2025, 08:08:29 pm
Could have played OKeefe, Boyd, Cincotta (or anybody) but nah let's go with the same group that haven't done it for two years now. But hey, keep doing the same old sh... and you have to get a good result eventually? And the fitness bloke needs to get ready for the end of season review by brushing up his CV, he'll need it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Micky0 on August 03, 2025, 08:18:19 pm
Gee I feel differently to you lot ^
I was extremely proud Of the effort, we ran out of steam and the game changed course as soon as HOF was injured.
Young does my head in though he is too slow thinking and reacting.
Was impressed with Lords game he gets in there and generally does well. He will learn and improve.
White and Carroll were good in the first half but must’ve just run out of puff. I feel like they should move Moir around, he has natural skill but wasn’t able to impose himself. White did a few things too but then think he got bullied out of the game and went missing. Frankie was pretty good!
I love Cowan, love the way he plays.
Don’t feel like Weitets or TDK were at their best. Nor Ollie.
Few brain fades when things started getting tight.
Love George and Cripps - they deserved the win.
But all in all, nothing to play for, interstate against a finals aspirant, i think it was pretty good 👏🏽
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Thryleon on August 03, 2025, 08:20:32 pm
Could have played OKeefe, Boyd, Cincotta (or anybody) but nah let's go with the same group that haven't done it for two years now. But hey, keep doing the same old sh... and you have to get a good result eventually? And the fitness bloke needs to get ready for the end of season review by brushing up his CV, he'll need it.
Okeefe hasn't played since the west coast game and is short of a gallop.
Why is everyone so keen to drop more players for other non performers?
A lot of people hate on Harry but he laid 10 tackles and brought the ball to ground a lot. Needed some support which was missing once we lost the tall back.
Everyone had a dip, but we were a bit sloppy and put team mates under pressure too often, and that cost us the game. Not sure different personnel make a difference.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: RiverRat on August 03, 2025, 08:24:58 pm
Could have played OKeefe, Boyd, Cincotta (or anybody) but nah let's go with the same group that haven't done it for two years now. But hey, keep doing the same old sh... and you have to get a good result eventually? And the fitness bloke needs to get ready for the end of season review by brushing up his CV, he'll need it.
A lot of people hate on Harry but he laid 10 tackles and brought the ball to ground a lot. Needed some support which was missing once we lost the tall back.
Was more productive in applying pressure than Curnow has been most weeks but was still disappointing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Professer E on August 03, 2025, 08:26:21 pm
Sure, we tried but we aren't fit enough or good enough and we have too many passengers. The side is horribly unbalanced and lacks run. Harry had something like ten tackles according to the stats, is that a mis print?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Baggers on August 03, 2025, 08:29:31 pm
I was extremely proud Of the effort, we ran out of steam and the game changed course as soon as HOF was injured.
Young does my head in though he is too slow thinking and reacting.
Was impressed with Lords game he gets in there and generally does well. He will learn and improve.
White and Carroll were good in the first half but must’ve just run out of puff. I feel like they should move Moir around, he has natural skill but wasn’t able to impose himself. White did a few things too but then think he got bullied out of the game and went missing. Frankie was pretty good!
I love Cowan, love the way he plays.
Don’t feel like Weitets or TDK were at their best. Nor Ollie.
Few brain fades when things started getting tight.
Love George and Cripps - they deserved the win.
But all in all, nothing to play for, interstate against a finals aspirant, i think it was pretty good 👏🏽
Good stuff, MO.
Fair and balanced summary.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 03, 2025, 08:30:30 pm
Game went to script imo, we made Freo work hard on their home deck but you could see game changing as their better players like Jackson decided to get more interested. I was expecting worse and I thought Cripps and Hewett were outstanding vs a very good opposing midfield. Freo have more overall talent and eventually executed their skills better as we seem to tire and get error prone in the last part of the game and the score blew out but we need to bring that early form in the remaining games and we might be able to squeeze a win or two out vs less competent opposition and finish the year in a positive manner.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: RiverRat on August 03, 2025, 08:31:04 pm
Best game I have seen from Evans - lots of defensive pressure and 2 goals - possibly suited by the wet and windy conditions but I don't know if we see those conditions often enough to justify keeping him in 2026
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: LygonStreetLimbo on August 03, 2025, 08:32:39 pm
What a rabble. What’s with the handpass to a stationary player directly towards goal (who has no momentum and has to pivot 180) which fails time and time again .. CAUGHT!!! Senior players who want to play in a flag-winning team should flee and never look back
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: RiverRat on August 03, 2025, 08:32:59 pm
I thought Cripps and Hewett were outstanding vs a very good opposing midfield.
Agreed but a lot of Cripps' disposals were scrubber kicks so his stats might have suggested that he played better than he actually did.
Agree on Cripps, but I guess Im looking at him and Hewett winning the ball ahead of their Freo opposition and denying their mids first opportunity. The captains kicking has got worse and I think it was MBB who made a good comment a while back about him getting on his left foot a lot and just screwing it around the corner and dumping it anywhere.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 03, 2025, 08:42:15 pm
HOF looks like an ACL and word on the street from an ITK on BF is that SOS is gone.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Thryleon on August 03, 2025, 08:42:19 pm
Voss says looks like young o Farrell done an acl.
Look no further than this dreaded injury for why weve gone backwards. We've had no less than one per season in the last 10 years and often multiple in the same year.
Last years draft crop now have two members of that list out of 1 season.
I dont know what thing we have done to enjoy such bad luck, but this is a joke.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Lods on August 03, 2025, 08:46:52 pm
I was extremely proud Of the effort, we ran out of steam and the game changed course as soon as HOF was injured.
Young does my head in though he is too slow thinking and reacting.
Was impressed with Lords game he gets in there and generally does well. He will learn and improve.
White and Carroll were good in the first half but must’ve just run out of puff. I feel like they should move Moir around, he has natural skill but wasn’t able to impose himself. White did a few things too but then think he got bullied out of the game and went missing. Frankie was pretty good!
I love Cowan, love the way he plays.
Don’t feel like Weitets or TDK were at their best. Nor Ollie.
Few brain fades when things started getting tight.
Love George and Cripps - they deserved the win.
But all in all, nothing to play for, interstate against a finals aspirant, i think it was pretty good 👏🏽
Looks from the 'likes' you were not alone. Great first half. "Pressure and intensity" basically switched sides in the second half...but how many of us expected that would happen? Much better than I expected, and in the end they were just a little more classy, a little stronger and had more to play for than we did. You can fault some of the skills and some (a fair bit) of the decision making, but we can't fault the effort.
Some folks have mentioned the fitness, I think it's more about the taxing, physical game we play. Yes, there is an element of fitness in that, but I'm not sure we can train this group to the required level.
We hurt and tire ourselves more than we hurt and tire the opposition Opposition sides absorb that before hitting back. Under the current regime it's the only way we know to play. Selections (such as a heap of small forwards who are more defenders than attackers) are designed to fit that style of play.
There's nothing wrong with the style of play, at it's best it's very competitive. We just don't have the players to maintain it for a whole game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 03, 2025, 08:49:08 pm
HOF looks like an ACL and word on the street from an ITK on BF is that SOS is gone.
Very sad for HarryO as he looks the part at CHB and going forward with Jack looking gone as you said he was/is going to be important. We need to get an exorcism done at the club or a weekly sage burning session as the place is cursed....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Lods on August 03, 2025, 08:51:04 pm
Look no further than this dreaded injury for why weve gone backwards. We've had no less than one per season in the last 10 years and often multiple in the same year.
Last years draft crop now have two members of that list out of 1 season.
I dont know what thing we have done to enjoy such bad luck, but this is a joke.
If true, that's a tragedy. Just when he was starting to really find his feet. We'll wait for confirmation.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: crashlander on August 03, 2025, 09:16:45 pm
I was extremely proud Of the effort, we ran out of steam and the game changed course as soon as HOF was injured.
Young does my head in though he is too slow thinking and reacting.
Was impressed with Lords game he gets in there and generally does well. He will learn and improve.
White and Carroll were good in the first half but must’ve just run out of puff. I feel like they should move Moir around, he has natural skill but wasn’t able to impose himself. White did a few things too but then think he got bullied out of the game and went missing. Frankie was pretty good!
I love Cowan, love the way he plays.
Don’t feel like Weitets or TDK were at their best. Nor Ollie.
Few brain fades when things started getting tight.
Love George and Cripps - they deserved the win.
But all in all, nothing to play for, interstate against a finals aspirant, i think it was pretty good 👏🏽
I'm angry and frustrated that we lost, but like Mickey, I was proud of the effort today. We had half a team, and lost a guy we couldn't afford to lose, and we were in it until late in the last quarter.
Unfortunately, there are some significant issues that need to be addressed: [1] Fitness: we run out of puff after half time. It means we don't connect well, our decision making and disposal drop off and we lose confidence. [2] Our game plan isn't that bad, but it is limited by our personnel. [3] We have almost as many injuries as last year; it suggests that Russell wasn't our issue. We certainly ran out games better under him. To be honest, I'd be poaching the fitness boss from teams like Hawthorn or Adelaide, who seem that much fitter than we are. [4] Plan B: It is true that we don't really have one, but we won't make it work at our present level of fitness.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: northernblue on August 03, 2025, 09:18:05 pm
Hawks fitness guy is no good, he’s broken Will Day again…
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Professer E on August 03, 2025, 09:20:24 pm
Shattered for HoF, we are truly *()!?"#@g cursed as a club, we just can't catch any kind of bloody break.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: kruddler on August 03, 2025, 09:32:02 pm
A lot of people hate on Harry but he laid 10 tackles and brought the ball to ground a lot. Needed some support which was missing once we lost the tall back.
Not sure anyone was doubting Harry's effort. More his ability to impact games on the scoreboard.
We have so many 'good forwards' who rate highly in tackle numbers. Thats great and it has its place. That being said, tackle numbers don't win you games, clearly. Perhaps if we spent more time training kicking goals, we'd have more wins on the board.
Curnow and McKay combined average less than 3 goals a game. Fogarty Motlop Durdin Evans Williams White F. Young Fantasia Moir
Thats 9 players. Averages out to about 8 goals a game from them......and thats if we play them all!
Combine that with our 2 key forwards and we get 11 goals a game from 11 forwards. Now, clearly we don't play 9 small forwards a game, but the averages stay the same. Number of forwards we play = number of goals from those forwards
There's not a lot of games you will win with that kind of turnaround, especially since our midfielder (and backs) are going to kick less goals than our forwards.
You see the problem with tackle numbers? Its almost coming at the expense of goals kicked! How many easy Joe the goose goals do we get? Our smalls are too busy clogging up the backline and nobody is 'cheating' forward for an easy goal. Our team NEEDS more easy goals. We need forwards to be forwards and kick goals.
As i said, i get the modern game and the pressure required etc. To that i have a simple response - Check the ladder and let me know how thats working out for us.
FWIW, We are 4th in the league for tackles per game. We are 14th for goals a game. We are 13th on the ladder.
So good on Harry. Lets see him, and his mates, kick some bloody goals though!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: kruddler on August 03, 2025, 09:32:45 pm
Hawks fitness guy is no good, he’s broken Will Day again…
He got stomped on, not a great point to make. ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: LoveNavy on August 03, 2025, 09:37:57 pm
Good effort. Hot start. Courageous. Call it by any other name.
End of the day. We're not good enough to be consistently, regularly, or even intermittently be competitive in this league. At least not in the modern era. No matter the changes we've made on or off field. No matter the supposed "best" people, processes, or resources. Credit for our off field performance in terms of revenue and community development though.
Honestly it pains me to say "we were Carlton" For the record, if SoS goes, I expect that relative off field performance to suffer.
Have a great evening Bluebaggers
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: northernblue on August 03, 2025, 09:38:30 pm
A lot of people hate on Harry but he laid 10 tackles and brought the ball to ground a lot. Needed some support which was missing once we lost the tall back.
Not sure anyone was doubting Harry's effort. More his ability to impact games on the scoreboard.
We have so many 'good forwards' who rate highly in tackle numbers. Thats great and it has its place. That being said, tackle numbers don't win you games, clearly. Perhaps if we spent more time training kicking goals, we'd have more wins on the board.
Curnow and McKay combined average less than 3 goals a game. Fogarty Motlop Durdin Evans Williams White F. Young Fantasia Moir
Thats 9 players. Averages out to about 8 goals a game from them......and thats if we play them all!
Combine that with our 2 key forwards and we get 11 goals a game from 11 forwards. Now, clearly we don't play 9 small forwards a game, but the averages stay the same. Number of forwards we play = number of goals from those forwards
There's not a lot of games you will win with that kind of turnaround, especially since our midfielder (and backs) are going to kick less goals than our forwards.
You see the problem with tackle numbers? Its almost coming at the expense of goals kicked! How many easy Joe the goose goals do we get? Our smalls are too busy clogging up the backline and nobody is 'cheating' forward for an easy goal. Our team NEEDS more easy goals. We need forwards to be forwards and kick goals.
As i said, i get the modern game and the pressure required etc. To that i have a simple response - Check the ladder and let me know how thats working out for us.
FWIW, We are 4th in the league for tackles per game. We are 14th for goals a game. We are 13th on the ladder.
So good on Harry. Lets see him, and his mates, kick some bloody goals though!
I get it, but he's played 2 games in 12 weeks, and done his bit to put in for the team. The 10 tackles needs to be applauded because it shows he is doing all anyone can ask and that is to give you 100% effort.
Sure you want more goals than tackles but the first complaint about Charlie when he wasn't kicking goals was where are the tackles. Harry brought an elite level of tackle pressure and it should be applauded.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: PaulP on August 03, 2025, 09:49:34 pm
I get it, but he's played 2 games in 12 weeks, and done his bit to put in for the team. The 10 tackles needs to be applauded because it shows he is doing all anyone can ask and that is to give you 100% effort.
Sure you want more goals than tackles but the first complaint about Charlie when he wasn't kicking goals was where are the tackles. Harry brought an elite level of tackle pressure and it should be applauded.
Harry laid the most tackles of any of our players, in fact the most of anyone on the ground. For a player his size with hardly any football in the last few months, it's a super effort.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: pinot on August 03, 2025, 10:17:46 pm
Ran out of legs and outclassed a little. Walsh, Cottrell, E Hollands, Charlie, Newman, Jack, Kemp would have helped.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: shawny on August 03, 2025, 10:24:55 pm
harry tackling may seem a positive but means very little to me. you just have to watch the game not get subdued by the stat sheet. You wont find a weaker unreliable injury prone or less imposing coleman medalist in the history of the afl.
His tackles wouldnt hurt a butterfly.
Hes kicking is so unreliable you can only laugh at it. he doesnt even know where the ball is going. Amazing to think hes a key forward and his job is to kick goals and to be a physical presence is mind boggling.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Lods on August 03, 2025, 10:44:10 pm
Just on observation and not on the stat sheet, I thought Harry got better and more involved as the game progressed....which kind of went against the general trend for others, who dropped off.
That's to be expected as he regains match fitness and awareness.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Professer E on August 03, 2025, 10:44:24 pm
His confidence is probably shot and he's playing dead games at the end of the worst season in years. Under the circumstances he's doing ok. Some more goals would be nice but he's not exactly getting quality delivery or any support whatsoever. None.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: LP on August 04, 2025, 08:01:48 am
Harry laid the most tackles of any of our players, in fact the most of anyone on the ground. For a player his size with hardly any football in the last few months, it's a super effort.
Until a player finds some form that is all the MC can ask for, it's a great indicator of effort.
Some fans might not see it, apparently some think it's nothing to track down the ball carrier at AFL level which is by the way the tackle stat, catching the ball carrier! ::)
It's interesting to see BigH going through this phase, not dissimilar to 2M Peter's issues a couple of years back.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: madbluboy on August 04, 2025, 08:06:22 am
I just reckon there is plenty of amunition to disprove those outlandish claims, that a bad example could've been avoided.
I don't think it's outlandish to say we're not running out games well.
You're right we arent. Perhaps that was the change of high performance manager rather than anything else.
When push comes to shove look at the hawks. They're in so so conditioning physically after playing finals last season. They're not struggling like we are but most of those players dont have multiple seasons of recurring injuries like ours after a couple of years playing into September. After missing finals, next year could be a lot better on this front for us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: LP on August 04, 2025, 08:26:12 am
We had a team full of early career types yesterday, the result was predictable, it's been predictable for more than a season now for a variety of reasons.
I think this season we were just one or two list changes short of a significant swing in fortunes, changes that would have allowed our slower stoppage specialists stay in the game longer and limit the damage on the momentum swings.
Much of the complaining from fans and high profile supporters is yet another "throw the baby out with the bathwater" scenario, it is dummy spitting of the highest order.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Micky0 on August 04, 2025, 08:29:14 am
His confidence is probably shot and he's playing dead games at the end of the worst season in years. Under the circumstances he's doing ok. Some more goals would be nice but he's not exactly getting quality delivery or any support whatsoever. None.
Im so over the outs and excuses we give professional footballers in the peak of their career who are on annual salaries their mates take 10 years to earn yet we baby them wrap them in cotton wool make excuses. Harry is a highly paid former coleman medalist who misses most years providing value for our investment. We say he struggles under the pressures of AFL well the pressure is well and truly off this year and after playing only half the games for the season for non injury reasons, you would think he would be chomping at the bit to end the season on the biggest high possible and give back to his employer everything he can on what was a massive failure again in 2025 for the whole organisation.
As a club will are likely to finish 14th! We need a concerted mindset change at this club if we want to ever compete again at the pointy end and blokes who for whatever reason are not mentally up for it, need to find a new occupation and off our payroll.
Sorry if i sound negative but I'm over the excuses and over failing year after year after year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: kruddler on August 04, 2025, 08:46:53 am
Not sure anyone was doubting Harry's effort. More his ability to impact games on the scoreboard.
We have so many 'good forwards' who rate highly in tackle numbers. Thats great and it has its place. That being said, tackle numbers don't win you games, clearly. Perhaps if we spent more time training kicking goals, we'd have more wins on the board.
Curnow and McKay combined average less than 3 goals a game. Fogarty Motlop Durdin Evans Williams White F. Young Fantasia Moir
Thats 9 players. Averages out to about 8 goals a game from them......and thats if we play them all!
Combine that with our 2 key forwards and we get 11 goals a game from 11 forwards. Now, clearly we don't play 9 small forwards a game, but the averages stay the same. Number of forwards we play = number of goals from those forwards
There's not a lot of games you will win with that kind of turnaround, especially since our midfielder (and backs) are going to kick less goals than our forwards.
You see the problem with tackle numbers? Its almost coming at the expense of goals kicked! How many easy Joe the goose goals do we get? Our smalls are too busy clogging up the backline and nobody is 'cheating' forward for an easy goal. Our team NEEDS more easy goals. We need forwards to be forwards and kick goals.
As i said, i get the modern game and the pressure required etc. To that i have a simple response - Check the ladder and let me know how thats working out for us.
FWIW, We are 4th in the league for tackles per game. We are 14th for goals a game. We are 13th on the ladder.
So good on Harry. Lets see him, and his mates, kick some bloody goals though!
I get it, but he's played 2 games in 12 weeks, and done his bit to put in for the team. The 10 tackles needs to be applauded because it shows he is doing all anyone can ask and that is to give you 100% effort.
Sure you want more goals than tackles but the first complaint about Charlie when he wasn't kicking goals was where are the tackles. Harry brought an elite level of tackle pressure and it should be applauded.
As i said, good on him for tackling. We are not paying him to tackle though. In fact giving his concussion issues, I'd almost prefer he keep his head out of harms way.
Issue with Charlie was not so much not tackling, more about not chasing...and not 'caring' to tackle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: PaulP on August 04, 2025, 09:39:36 am
Until a player finds some form that is all the MC can ask for, it's a great indicator of effort.
Some fans might not see it, apparently some think it's nothing to track down the ball carrier at AFL level which is by the way the tackle stat, catching the ball carrier! ::)
It's interesting to see BigH going through this phase, not dissimilar to 2M Peter's issues a couple of years back.
1.1, 10 tackles, 12 disposals, 4 marks, 93% time on ground is a decent return for a rusty, underdone KP player.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Professer E on August 04, 2025, 09:44:50 am
How much time on ground did Motlop get for his return? Or Williams? Or Flynn or Moir or Durdin? I reckon potting Harry is a bit rich when he's got zero support around him. Crikey, he laid more tackles than the blokes supposedly in the side to provide exactly that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Lods on August 04, 2025, 09:50:39 am
Just on Motlop. He seemed to be everywhere. And that's part of the issue he has. He's where the ball is, but he's not getting possessions or impacting to any great extent.
Lot's of exposure for 7 disposals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Professer E on August 04, 2025, 10:00:51 am
Exactly, and the question is....is this all we are ever going to get from him?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Baggers on August 04, 2025, 10:06:49 am
Really liked our first half, but then same old same old returned for the second half... probably for a variety of reason - like always. We do know that Freo changed a few things around after half time and we couldn't handle it - like always.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Thryleon on August 04, 2025, 10:16:28 am
I get it, but he's played 2 games in 12 weeks, and done his bit to put in for the team. The 10 tackles needs to be applauded because it shows he is doing all anyone can ask and that is to give you 100% effort.
Sure you want more goals than tackles but the first complaint about Charlie when he wasn't kicking goals was where are the tackles. Harry brought an elite level of tackle pressure and it should be applauded.
As i said, good on him for tackling. We are not paying him to tackle though. In fact giving his concussion issues, I'd almost prefer he keep his head out of harms way.
Issue with Charlie was not so much not tackling, more about not chasing...and not 'caring' to tackle.
You and I both know, that if Charlie had done the chasing and tackling and returning 1.1 goals, the arguments you raise here would be identically applied to him, because nothing short of career best form is what our fans are expecting in a team that is not firing on all cylinders.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: LP on August 04, 2025, 10:38:02 am
Just on Motlop. He seemed to be everywhere. And that's part of the issue he has. He's where the ball is, but he's not getting possessions or impacting to any great extent.
Lot's of exposure for 7 disposals.
Not getting to the footy has been Motlop's historical problem, so I think seeing him in and around many contest is a step in the right direction.
He's got tricks he just needs to find ways to use them, he'll get better the more opportunity he gets.
Surely nobody could argue he's not at least appearing a bit better than in the past! :o
Title: Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Post by: Sexybronco on August 04, 2025, 10:59:33 am
Just on Motlop. He seemed to be everywhere. And that's part of the issue he has. He's where the ball is, but he's not getting possessions or impacting to any great extent.
Lot's of exposure for 7 disposals.
Not getting to the footy has been Motlop's historical problem, so I think seeing him in and around many contest is a step in the right direction.
He's got tricks he just needs to find ways to use them, he'll get better the more opportunity he gets.
Surely nobody could argue he's not at least appearing a bit better than in the past! :o
We have no choice but to continue to persevere with Motlop, he is showing signs of improvement just needs a breakout game.