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Title: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: crashlander on August 08, 2025, 10:30:31 pm
Not looking forward to this.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: madbluboy on August 09, 2025, 10:19:41 pm
Not a bad effort with a 3rd of our best side out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: LordLucifer on August 09, 2025, 10:25:17 pm
We had some players show what they have for the future, others showed why they should be shown the door.
It could have been the mother of all shellackings but we extracted the digit in the last and if not for a few goof off's, we nearly could have pinched that one.
Still, there was a big difference in class when it really mattered.
And don't start me on Fogarty and his goal-kicking, I'll spew up !!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 09, 2025, 10:25:26 pm
Amazing what some confidence does, Frankie has found his place, has become very dependable around the ground and in front of goal.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: laj on August 09, 2025, 10:29:26 pm
Fk Fogarty! First miss ended up a 2 goal turnaround, 2nd miss would have put us within 2 goals with 12 minutes left. We don't need him in the side, he can piss off.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: laj on August 09, 2025, 10:33:33 pm
Where was that last 40 minutes all year. We saw run, carry, pressure, good use, for most part anyway. Threw the game plan out the door and went for it.
If only Ollie could use the ball. Bloke tries so damn hard. 30 touches, worked really hard but some of the ball use killed us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 09, 2025, 10:37:30 pm
Where was that last 40 minutes all year. We saw run, carry, pressure, good use, for most part anyway. Threw the game plan out the door and went for it.
If only Ollie could use the ball. Bloke tries so damn hard. 30 touches, worked really hard but some of the ball use killed us.
We've shown glimpses mate, we've been pretty good in a lot of first qtrs and halves, we were very good against Freo for a half. We have to work harder for longer, simple as that. It was messy but the work rate was elite.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: laj on August 09, 2025, 10:42:50 pm
Where was that last 40 minutes all year. We saw run, carry, pressure, good use, for most part anyway. Threw the game plan out the door and went for it.
If only Ollie could use the ball. Bloke tries so damn hard. 30 touches, worked really hard but some of the ball use killed us.
We've shown glimpses mate, we've been pretty good in a lot of first qtrs and halves, we were very good against Freo for a half. We have to work harder for longer, simple as that. It was messy but the work rate was elite.
We actually did it on the last qtr this time.
Up to round 18 last year the last qtr was a real strength. Been useless since.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Micky0 on August 09, 2025, 10:53:56 pm
Fogs…. Fogs…. Fogs….
Used to feel so confident when he had it, actually shut my eyes when he went for that last kick and… sure enough, let us down. Soul destroying.
We had no business being in that, none! So Proud of that effort - some Senior players stuffed up at important times but I acknowledge they have a bigger workload atm.
Just love Lord, something about him. Cowan is the best, loving him too. I really want Frankie, Billy, HOK, Flynn, White and Carroll to succeed.
I bloody loved Acres this game.
Umpiring v biased - Lots of holds to them, zero to us. load of BS.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Milhanna13 on August 09, 2025, 11:18:57 pm
Imagine the result if the blokes in yellow hadnt handed them 4 goals in the 3rd q
That, and if fog could kick from 15 out
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Milhanna13 on August 09, 2025, 11:22:27 pm
Jack reiwolt on the fox after show giving Ben king props, which is fair enough. But lost me when he said that he kicked 6 on weeters. As he was saying it, the highlights were running, showing king taking half a dozen grabs over Lewis young. Do these guys, making half a million a year actually watch the matches they talk dribble about??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: pinot on August 09, 2025, 11:23:07 pm
One of tge small forward crabs was going to cost us - this week its Fogs next week its someone else.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Milhanna13 on August 09, 2025, 11:26:22 pm
White, f.young, Evans (although good tonight), fog…. Just can’t have that many blokes, especially all in the fwd line, who are battlers
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: pinot on August 09, 2025, 11:40:40 pm
Q is why did Voss decide to go with so many small forward crabs and disregard outside run and spread... answer will remain a mystery. O Hollands kicking is pathetic and needs to be dropped.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Thryleon on August 09, 2025, 11:49:37 pm
Evans. Tonight he was a lot better than a lot of our players, and would be in the votes. It wasn't just hitting the scoreboard too, some of his lace out put the ball down the throat passing was exquisite.
Did his best impersonation of Nick duigan in that elimination final against Richmond.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: crashlander on August 10, 2025, 12:30:06 am
Amazing what some confidence does, Frankie has found his place, has become very dependable around the ground and in front of goal.
I must admit, I didn't think he had it in him, but over the last few weeks he has stood up when others have not. Outmarking Mac Andrews was brilliant. And he kicks the ball over distance. I don't think Frankie is ever going to be a star, but he is going to be a better player than a number of our present small forwards. Kudos to him.
Like Haynes, he has improved significantly over the season. He will probably be going around next year as well.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: crashlander on August 10, 2025, 01:09:12 am
Jack reiwolt on the fox after show giving Ben king props, which is fair enough. But lost me when he said that he kicked 6 on weeters. As he was saying it, the highlights were running, showing king taking half a dozen grabs over Lewis young. Do these guys, making half a million a year actually watch the matches they talk dribble about??
I don't rate either Riewoldt: neither of them has much idea about what is really happening. Even Kane Cornes can get something right occasionally (very occasionally); I also read on one of the threads that a broken clock is correct twice a day: he's about that standard. But he still has more idea than either of the Riewoldts, which is frightening when you consider it. Back in the day, there were guys like Peter Landy and Lou Richards; Landy couldn't pronounce anyone's name correctly, even if it was in English, and Richards was Collingwood to the core, but neither of them would make such a moronic mistake. They were professionals, not clowns (even though Lou tried to be sometimes with his predictions). It is sad to see the standard of commentator nowadays, as none of them have the gravitas or the objectivity of those old fogies. Far too many modern commentators push their own barrows or have their co-workers try to coerce them into doing so. And the less I talk about roving Brian, the better. I shudder at the thought!
[1] Kind didn't kick any of Weitering. He was matched with Lewis Young all night. That, in itself, was probably the difference in the game as Lewis Young never gets close to an opponent, nor is he physical. King rarely kicks goals on Weitering because Weitering is physical and doesn't allow King to get a jump at the ball.
[2] I was not impressed with King. He didn't chase. He didn't tackle. He didn't win any contests. He was lucky that Lewis Young couldn't pick up a cold, and that his team mates can hit targets (especially when they're under no pressure). He kicked straight. He found some space because Young isn't a decent defender. To use the vernacular of a different sport, he was a receiver, with all the connotations that implies. I was much more impressed by Harry McKay, not because he wears our colours (although that helps - Gold Coast's guernsey is a shocker!), but because he isn't known for being a hard worker and he was tonight. He rucked particularly well; better than de Koning. He had to work for his goals, because we can't deliver the ball like Gold Coast could. He took contested marks. He chased and tackled. He had 13 possessions and he had to earn them the hard way.
[3] Gold Coast are 5th, and yet a VFL standard Carlton side scared the crap out of them! We have 10 (at least) players who would have players tonight if they were fit unavailable, many for a long time. Not quite as bad as last year, perhaps, but not even top teams win with half their line-up unavailable. We had 7 guys who have played less than 15 games running around tonight. Lord was good: he smothered Noah Anderson quite well. Frankie Evans has been talked about: he has probably played himself into a new contract. Ashton Moir did some marvellous things, and generally did them under pressure. I am looking forward to seeing demanding game when everyone is fit again.
[4] The Umpiring: The team stats tells us that we got 25 frees and they got 28. That is a huge number of frees in a modern game. However, it was a game where we really got a poor run with the umpires. There were some absolute shockers paid against us, or not paid at all. Not enough to determine the result, but when you're struggling you don't want to be playing against 3 extra players, which we were for most of the night. I know how hard our game is to umpire: I'd done enough of it (before I got injured so much - you can't run well with a plastic and Titanium knee), but the errors tonight were unprofessional.
[5] Tonight showed that we have a few guys who should not be playing AFL football. Lachlan Fogarty is one; his missing 2 crucial goals cost us hugely. He can't kick 35 m, and doesn't hit targets. He tries and he can tackle well, but he doesn't hurt the opposition. He should not get a new contract. Lewis Young has had some moment this year, as a 2nd ruck or forward, but he has shown far too often, he isn't an AFL grade defender. he doesn't stay on his opponent and he makes lethal mistakes. I don't think we can carry him any longer. Will White is not in good form at the moment; I would have preferred to see him in the VFL until he got some. At least we know he would have a go. I just don't see him being a long term player, but he does provide something.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: LP on August 10, 2025, 02:39:42 am
Jack reiwolt on the fox after show giving Ben king props, which is fair enough. But lost me when he said that he kicked 6 on weeters. As he was saying it, the highlights were running, showing king taking half a dozen grabs over Lewis young. Do these guys, making half a million a year actually watch the matches they talk dribble about??
Lyon made the same blunder, he basically pumped up King for kicking a bag on Weiters, but I think it was 4 of the 6 King kicked were purely on Young. What really hurts isn't that so much, the callers are drop kicks, what really hurts is when you come across Carlton people in the forums paying out of Weitering for being touched up by King, they must be even bigger d#$kheads than either Lyon or Riewoldt because;
A - They don't know the difference between Weitering and Young. and / or B - They believed / bought what Lyon and Riewoldt had to say.
At least Lyon and Riewoldt have the excuse of being morons who are disinterested in Carlton.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: LP on August 10, 2025, 02:51:41 am
I have to say, in the wash up, credit where credit is due, I think Evans despite a weak start is beginning to look highly likely to be better value than Owies.
At this stage of the season I'm going to let Fogarty have a few missteps, he stood up for us at times previously in the season when the other small forwards weren't. I don't judge Fogarty like I judge some of the others because I don't see him as having the same potential or tricks, he's a workhorse type, the others with bigger wraps on them are delivering less.
We might be disappointed that the late rally was stifled by a shot in our own foot, but really we'd already put a noose around our neck in the first 3 quarters.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: madbluboy on August 10, 2025, 06:37:32 am
Jack reiwolt on the fox after show giving Ben king props, which is fair enough. But lost me when he said that he kicked 6 on weeters. As he was saying it, the highlights were running, showing king taking half a dozen grabs over Lewis young. Do these guys, making half a million a year actually watch the matches they talk dribble about??
Weitering was on him .
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Lods on August 10, 2025, 06:43:29 am
One subtle change, and it may be that a couple just stood out, was an effort to keep the ball going forward or taps to the advantage of a team-mate. Rather than taking possession there were quite a few big thumps and knock ons.
I'm a bit of softy for seeing fringe players and maligned players doing well, going against the grain. It was great to see Evans show a bit. Not only kicking for goal but a couple of elite passes. Cooper Lord flies under the radar a bit but his efforts are starting to be noticed He does give real effort and is a workhorse. He's a keeper, and Frank has probably earned another year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Lods on August 10, 2025, 06:59:09 am
Jack reiwolt on the fox after show giving Ben king props, which is fair enough. But lost me when he said that he kicked 6 on weeters. As he was saying it, the highlights were running, showing king taking half a dozen grabs over Lewis young. Do these guys, making half a million a year actually watch the matches they talk dribble about??
Weitering was on him .
I found it hard to tell at any point who had who. Seemed to see both at various stages. At times Young or Weitering would peel off to attack the ball and then you'd see the other trailing King to the ball and assume that was the match-up.
I understand it's all about matchups and sometimes freeing Weitering up by not always matching him against the best forward. When we used to play Geelong it was nearly always Weitering v Hawkins. And Weitering rarely lost that contest. Rarely was it Weitering v Cameron so our 'second best defender' got to run around with Cameron who often did significant damage. It may have been judged that Weitering would have been less value against a very mobile Cameron and Hawkins would also have got off the leash against a lighter opponent...I just found it a little strange
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: madbluboy on August 10, 2025, 07:14:44 am
No confusion. He was smashed. So was Cripps.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Lods on August 10, 2025, 07:53:05 am
Hardwick's press conference was interesting. A fair bit of relief. Carton are a lot better than their record suggests. Lord is a good player, does some good roles...."talking about his role on Anderson"
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 10, 2025, 07:55:38 am
I found it hard to tell at any point who had who. Seemed to see both at various stages. At times Young or Weitering would peel off to attack the ball and then you'd see the other trailing King to the ball and assume that was the match-up.
I understand it's all about matchups and sometimes freeing Weitering up by not always matching him against the best forward. When we used to play Geelong it was nearly always Weitering v Hawkins. And Weitering rarely lost that contest. Rarely was it Weitering v Cameron so our 'second best defender' got to run around with Cameron who often did significant damage. It may have been judged that Weitering would have been less value against a very mobile Cameron and Hawkins would also have got off the leash against a lighter opponent...I just found it a little strange
Weitering's positioning was terrible last night, I thought he put pressure on his team mates especially Young. I think Weiters tries to do too much, worry more about your man who is getting off the chain and let the others worry about theirs. Too often it looked like he was trying mind King and Reid and was minding neither in the end. Thats what it looked like to me and a mate of mine.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 10, 2025, 07:56:46 am
Amazing what some confidence does, Frankie has found his place, has become very dependable around the ground and in front of goal.
I must admit, I didn't think he had it in him, but over the last few weeks he has stood up when others have not. Outmarking Mac Andrews was brilliant. And he kicks the ball over distance. I don't think Frankie is ever going to be a star, but he is going to be a better player than a number of our present small forwards. Kudos to him.
Like Haynes, he has improved significantly over the season. He will probably be going around next year as well.
Most definitely, runs straight at the footy also which I love, doesn't shirk a contest as we saw a few weeks ago v May. Last night he was outnumbered 3 on 1 and just put his body on the line to halve the contest and win us the footy. Voss will be showing that to the group over and over this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Baggers on August 10, 2025, 08:57:28 am
Glad Vossy mentioned in his post game media that obvious free kicks for us missed - especially H.
Cooper Lord - we've got a ripper there.
Frankie Evans - our best small forward on the night by a considerable margin... Kicked goals, displayed real footy IQ and proper disposal by foot to the best target! How novel is that :o :o
We did to the opposition last night in the last qtr what so many have done to us (and wilted)... change the game. And the Suns didn't have the answers, against a seriously under-manned side. Put a few more better/experienced players on the paddock for us in that last quarter and we pinch it. Dare I say it but we were actually exciting to watch in that final qtr.
FFS, CFC, focus on disposal for Ollie in the off season. He does so much that is terrific, and undoes it with poor disposal and creating confusion with aggot in hand.
Motlop. Just totally, absolutely and completely confused here. Looks like he could tear a game apart with his endeavour and running around everywhere, but achieves so little. Yep, I'm completely confused.
I hope we persist with Billy, Moir and Skull next week but think it's time for Fogarty to be rested and not sure what to do with Will W and Flynn Y.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 10, 2025, 09:59:35 am
I wouldn't be getting too carried with Evans, he has played one good game and now we want to sign him to a long term deal and name a grandstand after him.. Durdin kicked 4 goals in a game earlier and Motlop has had his moments but it's all about consistency and we have too many up and down players. Lord and Hollands may not do the flashy stuff but they are consistent with effort each week and until players like Evans, Durdin etc can give us what they give I'd be less inclined to continue with them. Re: Weitering...been off his game for most of the second half of the season, something not right there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: RiverRat on August 10, 2025, 10:12:25 am
I found it hard to tell at any point who had who. Seemed to see both at various stages. At times Young or Weitering would peel off to attack the ball and then you'd see the other trailing King to the ball and assume that was the match-up.
I understand it's all about matchups and sometimes freeing Weitering up by not always matching him against the best forward. When we used to play Geelong it was nearly always Weitering v Hawkins. And Weitering rarely lost that contest. Rarely was it Weitering v Cameron so our 'second best defender' got to run around with Cameron who often did significant damage. It may have been judged that Weitering would have been less value against a very mobile Cameron and Hawkins would also have got off the leash against a lighter opponent...I just found it a little strange
Weitering's positioning was terrible last night, I thought he put pressure on his team mates especially Young. I think Weiters tries to do too much, worry more about your man who is getting off the chain and let the others worry about theirs. Too often it looked like he was trying mind King and Reid and was minding neither in the end. Thats what it looked like to me and a mate of mine.
Viewers who reckon that King kicked all of his goals on Young must have had their eyes as closed as Reiwolt - Weitering hung Young out to dry on at least two occasions by switching coverage so late that Young had no chance to get close to King and there was another occasion when Weitering trailed King as he led up and around before eventually failing to even contest the mark when King made a straight forward lead up the guts.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: northernblue on August 10, 2025, 10:14:55 am
Everyone is happy for Evan’s, no one is proposing big contracts. He knows he’s player 44 on the list but his form over the past weeks has been solid, he does what the coaches want and his courage is doubtless, there should be no quibbling over a one year deal.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 10, 2025, 10:42:10 am
Weitering's positioning was terrible last night, I thought he put pressure on his team mates especially Young. I think Weiters tries to do too much, worry more about your man who is getting off the chain and let the others worry about theirs. Too often it looked like he was trying mind King and Reid and was minding neither in the end. Thats what it looked like to me and a mate of mine.
Viewers who reckon that King kicked all of his goals on Young must have had their eyes as closed as Reiwolt - Weitering hung Young out to dry on at least two occasions by switching coverage so late that Young had no chance to get close to King and there was another occasion when Weitering trailed King as he led up and around before eventually failing to even contest the mark when King made a straight forward lead up the guts.
100% this.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Micky0 on August 10, 2025, 10:43:29 am
The kicker for the rubbish commentating is we have to pay to hear it on Saturdays 🙄 as previously said the 2x Reiwoldts are shockers - although Nick much much worse than Jack. Pushing his own barrow. Used to like him but came to the conclusion he’s a complete flog - I loved when Ratts called him out about only being around the club (at Stk) for the free physio. Anyway, it’s painful listening to any commentary when our season is dead.
No one is suggesting Frank is our saviour now but good on him to come back and consistently improve each game! And it seems he has some footy IQ! Which is really novel for us tbh.
Thought the umpiring was putrid and sure the free kick stat seems even but again where it’s paid around the ground is what is important. Anyway.
Also really good Acres played a good game, Say what you like but you can’t question his bravery and commitment once on the ground. Ollie too, although both could improve their disposal.
All in all I felt really proud of them 💪🏼
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Micky0 on August 10, 2025, 10:44:58 am
Also feel somethings NQR with Weiters too. Not sure what but the attitude I feel hasn’t been as…. Positive…. As usual lately.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Baggers on August 10, 2025, 10:46:33 am
Everyone is happy for Evan’s, no one is proposing big contracts. He knows he’s player 44 on the list but his form over the past weeks has been solid, he does what the coaches want and his courage is doubtless, there should be no quibbling over a one year deal.
Exactly. Apart from hitting the scoreboard Frankie seems reliable with aggot in hand - pleasing disposal and choices.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 10, 2025, 10:48:50 am
The kicker for the rubbish commentating is we have to pay to hear it on Saturdays 🙄 as previously said the 2x Reiwoldts are shockers - although Nick much much worse than Jack. Pushing his own barrow. Used to like him but came to the conclusion he’s a complete flog - I loved when Ratts called him out about only being around the club (at Stk) for the free physio. Anyway, it’s painful listening to any commentary when our season is dead.
No one is suggesting Frank is our saviour now but good on him to come back and consistently improve each game! And it seems he has some footy IQ! Which is really novel for us tbh.
Thought the umpiring was putrid and sure the free kick stat seems even but again where it’s paid around the ground is what is important. Anyway.
Also really good Acres played a good game, Say what you like but you can’t question his bravery and commitment once on the ground. Ollie too, although both could improve their disposal.
All in all I felt really proud of them 💪🏼
I thought H in particular got the raw end of some horrid umpiring. There was one bit of umpiring that was audible where the umpire is heard saying "Free kick to ummmmm.." Thats not good, sounded like he genuinely plucked it out of his ass but hadn't decided who to gift it to. There was one where the ump called a ball up and the GC player threw it away and ran off with no free kick. I thought the rule was that you had to give it back to the ump, I'm sure one like that was paid in a game recently.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Lods on August 10, 2025, 10:54:00 am
Evans has been a bit of a journeyman...but is still only 23. Many of those on the fringe and suggested delistings are 19 and 20 year olds.
We better be really careful with how we manage this group...it could come back to bite us on the backside if we let them go a bit early. Perhaps we don't offer Frank a ten year deal based on one game. A one year extension is probably enough at this stage and we can look at something longer term next year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 10, 2025, 10:56:27 am
Evans has been a bit of a journeyman...but is still only 23. Many of those on the fringe and suggested delistings are 19 and 20 year olds.
We better be really careful with how we manage this group...it could come back to bite us on the backside if we let them go a bit early. Perhaps we don't offer Frank a ten year deal based on one game. A one year extension is probably enough at this stage and we can look at something longer term next year.
And I think Voss suggested as much in his presser (ie investing and nurturing the kids and them taking the positions of older players,Alleluia). It was one of his best pressers yet IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: cookie2 on August 10, 2025, 11:12:20 am
Until we can find better players we need to exercise some caution as to who we send on their way. Silly to cut off the nose to spite the face.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: LP on August 10, 2025, 11:34:28 am
Viewers who reckon that King kicked all of his goals on Young must have had their eyes as closed as Reiwolt - Weitering hung Young out to dry on at least two occasions by switching coverage so late that Young had no chance to get close to King and there was another occasion when Weitering trailed King as he led up and around before eventually failing to even contest the mark when King made a straight forward lead up the guts.
Young was guarding grass, Weitering was being forced to bounce back and forth between two KPFs while stood watching it happen.
Young can't have it both ways, he likes to go for the 3rd man up contested marks, but the moment he has to stand a equivalently sized opponent or take the front position against a KPF he evaporates. All Young had to do was check King's movement, and Weitering would have closed the gap and taken the front position that Young refused, but he basically stood nowhere and later on he became a step ladder.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: madbluboy on August 10, 2025, 11:37:07 am
Stop changing the story. Weitering was beaten. It happens sometimes even to the best.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: LP on August 10, 2025, 12:08:18 pm
Stop changing the story. Weitering was beaten. It happens sometimes even to the best.
Weitering wasn't even within reach of King when many of those marks were taken, it's called a team based defence, and if you fail to impede an opponent it's a fail. Not only wasn't King delayed at getting to the contest, GCs small forwards ran interference on Weitering making it to the contest as the 3rd man up. Even more disappointing than Weitering being delayed, was Young being completely stopped by relative midgets.
It's bizarre that fans see what they want to see. It's not hard to contrast what was happening at the other end of the ground, the same fans screaming about King getting unhindered runs at the footy complain about Harry being mauled, and they can't put two and two together, they fail to see the contrast.
btw., It's been Dimma's game style since his Nthmond days and it's back with vengeance now, forwards blocking for each other, being physical with defenders to give a KPF a free run at the footy. We use to complain about Jack Riewoldt, now it's King who has become a superstar against Carlton!
btw., The same lack of blocks and shepherds extends to our forward play, we stand by and watch as defenders run past our squad and mow down our small forwards. We have no team function in this regard, we are a bunch of individuals kicking the footy around the park.
If our supporter mentality extends to our MC, no wonder we are shizen!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Thryleon on August 10, 2025, 12:31:34 pm
Stop changing the story. Weitering was beaten. It happens sometimes even to the best.
Weitering wasn't even within reach of King when many of those marks were taken, it's called a team based defence, and if you fail to impede an opponent it's a fail. Not only wasn't King delayed at getting to the contest, GCs small forwards ran interference on Weitering making it to the contest as the 3rd man up. Even more disappointing than Weitering being delayed, was Young being completely stopped by relative midgets.
It's bizarre that fans see what they want to see. It's not hard to contrast what was happening at the other end of the ground, the same fans screaming about King getting unhindered runs at the footy complain about Harry being mauled, and they can't put two and two together, they fail to see the contrast.
btw., It's been Dimma's game style since his Nthmond days and it's back with vengeance now, forwards blocking for each other, being physical with defenders to give a KPF a free run at the footy. We use to complain about Jack Riewoldt, now it's King who has become a superstar against Carlton!
btw., The same lack of blocks and shepherds extends to our forward play, we stand by and watch as defenders run past our squad and mow down our small forwards. We have no team function in this regard, we are a bunch of individuals kicking the footy around the park.
If our supporter mentality extends to our MC, no wonder we are shizen!
you say its bizarre when fans see what they want, but you're doing the same. most of kings marks were on the lead where weitering was trailing him. The kicks were heavily to kings advantage and the lack of pressure at the contest, and then forward surge from midfield was at least 3 of those goals and 1 was on the sligshot very late. Not sure what you want young to do, when the only time weitering got the better of King was when he managed to play in front of him and took a mark over head. Weiters spoiled King a few times, but he's a big guy and with that delivery chopping off in front isnt enough to stop him.
Weiters has put in his worst season. Thats ok, it happens to everyone eventually but the finger pointing at others is ridiculous. Young didn't have a great game but the mark king took with knee on youngs head suggest he wasn't scared of getting in the hole, and weitering was once again playing back shoulder.
Kings been a dud for most of the journey but he's in career best form, and saying young is responsible is just a bit unfair i reckon.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: DJC on August 10, 2025, 02:38:10 pm
I wouldnt say Cripps was smashed but he was unusually undisciplined I thought.
Cripps was smashed ... by the umpires! If only he got a smidgeon of the care that the umpires show towards Rowell. Cripps got one free and was penalised three times. Rowell got five frees and was penalised twice. Both laid eight tackles and copped much the same treatment without the ball. If Rowell's five frees were there, Crippa should have got eight.
The 50m penalty was an absolute joke - no wonder Cripps looked puzzled and frustrated.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Thryleon on August 10, 2025, 02:50:21 pm
I wouldnt say Cripps was smashed but he was unusually undisciplined I thought.
Cripps was smashed ... by the umpires! If only he got a smidgeon of the care that the umpires show towards Rowell. Cripps got one free and was penalised three times. Rowell got five frees and was penalised twice. Both laid eight tackles and copped much the same treatment without the ball. If Rowell's five frees were there, Crippa should have got eight.
The 50m penalty was an absolute joke - no wonder Cripps looked puzzled and frustrated.
yeah cripps was tackled off the ball in that one, but I think what was paid was a late tackle on the suns player after getting kicked it forward.
End result was a down field free kick where the ball was kicked to, and I dont believe the call was correct to start with, and it should have been reversed given the infringement.
I said it last week, somehow we get penalised for blocks off the ball and holding in defense and attack. For some reason our opposition tend to get different rules to play by including tackles without the footy, illegal disposals and at times play on calls, not 15 metres. There was one tour miller hit up a leading forward. The mark was at about 35 our and miller kicked it inside the 50 metre arc so, it would have been on the edge of 15 at best. We kick it 25 metres and its play on not 15.
Who knows what goes through the umpires heads. Im guessing not much as they'd be thick as bricks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 10, 2025, 02:53:32 pm
Rowell is a bit of a love child and gets looked after by the umps because he adopts a passive non aggressive attitude towards them and they like that. He gets the 50/50 decisions go his way more often than not and I feel the umps adopt a subconscious attitude that the teams who the AFL want to be successful especially the expansion teams get more of a free ride. Cripps is always held at stoppages or illegally blocked but its allowed because of his size advantage imo and the umps give more leeway to his taggers imo.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: cookie2 on August 10, 2025, 02:56:16 pm
Rowell is a bit of a love child and gets looked after by the umps because he adopts a passive non aggressive attitude towards them and they like that. He gets the 50/50 decisions go his way more often than not and I feel the umps adopt a subconscious attitude that the teams who the AFL want to be successful especially the expansion teams get more of a free ride. Cripps is always held at stoppages or illegally blocked but its allowed because of his size advantage imo and the umps give more leeway to his taggers imo.
Agree. GC were definitely getting the rub of the green imho.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: DJC on August 10, 2025, 03:10:39 pm
Viewers who reckon that King kicked all of his goals on Young must have had their eyes as closed as Reiwolt - Weitering hung Young out to dry on at least two occasions by switching coverage so late that Young had no chance to get close to King and there was another occasion when Weitering trailed King as he led up and around before eventually failing to even contest the mark when King made a straight forward lead up the guts.
Young was guarding grass, Weitering was being forced to bounce back and forth between two KPFs while stood watching it happen.
Young can't have it both ways, he likes to go for the 3rd man up contested marks, but the moment he has to stand a equivalently sized opponent or take the front position against a KPF he evaporates. All Young had to do was check King's movement, and Weitering would have closed the gap and taken the front position that Young refused, but he basically stood nowhere and later on he became a step ladder.
Weitering was King's direct opponent for four of his goals, including the one that followed the hanger he took over Young. Perhaps having a reactive fellow KPP didn't help, but Weiters was simply outplayed by a better key forward on the night. Of course, King was helped by some excellent kicking inside 50.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: madbluboy on August 10, 2025, 05:38:56 pm
I remember his twin took Weiters to the cleaners a few seasons ago and we had to swap Liam Jones onto him. Sometimes you can just get a bad matchup.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 10, 2025, 07:39:23 pm
King has been in good form and probably the fittest he has been. Weitering is the opposite, been out of form and looked injured and slowed up all season. Going to be interesting this week vs Georgiades who is a very good footballer and been in good form. Maybe Young needs to give his mate a chop out and take the responsibility as Weitering was carrying a leg injury vs Port last time and Georgiades had a picnic.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: DJC on August 10, 2025, 09:55:40 pm
I love how supporters explain Weitering lowering his colours by invoking a leg injury. Yes, he could be carrying an injury, most footballers would be at this stage of the season, but he has dealt with most opponents without too much trouble in recent weeks.
If Weiters is to be at his most effective, he needs his teammates to limit the opposition’s inside 50s or, at the very least, to force shallow entries, and to give him the freedom to leave his opponent to intercept or spoil.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Macca37 on August 10, 2025, 10:01:23 pm
If our recruiters had spent their time in recent years recruiting players with the foot skills of Evans, we wouldn't be stuck in the lower section of the ladder.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 10, 2025, 10:13:05 pm
I love how supporters explain Weitering lowering his colours by invoking a leg injury. Yes, he could be carrying an injury, most footballers would be at this stage of the season, but he has dealt with most opponents without too much trouble in recent weeks.
If Weiters is to be at his most effective, he needs his teammates to limit the opposition’s inside 50s or, at the very least, to force shallow entries, and to give him the freedom to leave his opponent to intercept or spoil.
He was on one leg vs Georgiades last time and got flogged, looked like a corky from the previous week. He shouldn't have played imo but I guess one legs better than none..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: dodge on August 10, 2025, 10:22:09 pm
While at least the last quarter gave us something and there was effort during the game, the lack of movement/options being presented and lack of skill still stood out.
To make it interesting, my son and a mate had a few stats to count: - How many shanks/OOB on the full from Acres - How many high tackles from Harry - How many shanks from Harry - How many blind bomb kicks
Fog has the yips big time - most of my sons U13 team could have kicked those (might need the smaller ball, though). He did a couple of nice things - but like a few was a couple of things enough.
Cripps looked as if he wanted to hurt someone tonight - there were quite a few times where once the ball had gone on from where he was that he looked as if he wanted to take the extra couple of steps to take out an opponent.
Curiously, in the third, when Williams was on the mark for a set shot, the GC player missed and Williams gave him a hand tap (wasn't a high 5 and not caught on the coverage) after. Don't think we really need to be doing that.
Umpires had an ordinary night, but a couple stick out to me: Williams kicked a sky ball from defence (3rd qtr) that bounced 5 metres from two players before going out - paid Insufficient attempt. Not sure who kicked a terrible scrubber in the last that went out by our 50m, not a player within sight - throw in - couldn't work it out.
The stand rule is an absolute dogs' breakfast. You can be there but run backwards to get out of the zone - no penalty, you can move, or you can stand. You can be somewhere near the free kick/mark and move forward, sideways and not have a 50 paid. The player can with the ball can be at any angle to the player on the mark and it doesn't matter. Just make one rule and apply it.
I though we would lose by about 8 goals, so I suppose we did better than expected. GC talent, movement and delivery was a lot better than ours.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: DJC on August 10, 2025, 10:57:24 pm
I love how supporters explain Weitering lowering his colours by invoking a leg injury. Yes, he could be carrying an injury, most footballers would be at this stage of the season, but he has dealt with most opponents without too much trouble in recent weeks.
If Weiters is to be at his most effective, he needs his teammates to limit the opposition’s inside 50s or, at the very least, to force shallow entries, and to give him the freedom to leave his opponent to intercept or spoil.
He was on one leg vs Georgiades last time and got flogged, looked like a corky from the previous week. He shouldn't have played imo but I guess one legs better than none..
No, Weiters wasn’t on one leg and Georgiades had his way with Silvagni too.
Once again, it was a break down in our team defence that gave Georgiades an edge.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Milhanna13 on August 11, 2025, 08:52:08 am
Cripps was smashed ... by the umpires! If only he got a smidgeon of the care that the umpires show towards Rowell. Cripps got one free and was penalised three times. Rowell got five frees and was penalised twice. Both laid eight tackles and copped much the same treatment without the ball. If Rowell's five frees were there, Crippa should have got eight.
The 50m penalty was an absolute joke - no wonder Cripps looked puzzled and frustrated.
yeah cripps was tackled off the ball in that one, but I think what was paid was a late tackle on the suns player after getting kicked it forward.
and then, about 5mins later, we get a free for a late hit, a clear downfield (about 30 out in front) - but, no, bring it back, no downfield free...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Micky0 on August 11, 2025, 10:25:07 am
‘Umpires had an ordinary night, but a couple stick out to me: Williams kicked a sky ball from defence (3rd qtr) that bounced 5 metres from two players before going out - paid Insufficient attempt. Not sure who kicked a terrible scrubber in the last that went out by our 50m, not a player within sight - throw in - couldn't work it out.’
This made me yell at the tv. The GC players were both there but came to a stop not bothering to keep the ball in. Deliberate 🙄 how on earth does a kick going off the side of your boot that oppo players could get if they didn’t stop, constitute deliberate.
Umpiring was absolutely shocking
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: pew2 on August 11, 2025, 03:27:19 pm
if there was a stat in which team kicks the ball to the opposition the most i would say we would be no 1 in this field. Our game plan HOW BAD is it . any danger someone could help the fullback by fill in the space or hole in front of king , we are to much 1 direction this has to change for 26
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: kruddler on August 11, 2025, 05:49:01 pm
if there was a stat in which team kicks the ball to the opposition the most i would say we would be no 1 in this field. Our game plan HOW BAD is it . any danger someone could help the fullback by fill in the space or hole in front of king , we are to much 1 direction this has to change for 26
So.....our game plan is to kick to the opposition?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Lods on August 11, 2025, 06:27:47 pm
We had some players show what they have for the future, others showed why they should be shown the door.
It could have been the mother of all shellackings but we extracted the digit in the last and if not for a few goof off's, we nearly could have pinched that one.
Still, there was a big difference in class when it really mattered.
And don't start me on Fogarty and his goal-kicking, I'll spew up !!
He only had one job to do. Not once but twice and the first he missed they key 3 (two from 50 meter penalties)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: Thryleon on August 11, 2025, 07:22:31 pm
Im president of the Frank the tank fan club. I reckon may might have knocked some sense into him too, as he's a different player now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
Post by: LP on August 12, 2025, 01:25:46 pm