Agree...Nice bloke is Ken but yesterday's news in terms of coaching and I think he is best suited to any other role other than senior coaching.
Not to coach. Head of football dept
I think he would do ok as a Head of Football but would be better at another club rather than reconnecting with his old mate Voss. Id prefer some fresh ideas from someone different rather than the "Port Adelaide model" being reheated.. Bartel would be better imo and the rumour is they offered the job and big money to Danny Daly from Brisbane but he wants to be a senior coach and thats probably unfair to Voss to have a coach in waiting at the club. From that point of view Id prefer Bartel and even Hinkley just to give Voss some breathing space...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on August 12, 2025, 04:09:44 pm
I think he would do ok as a Head of Football but would be better at another club rather than reconnecting with his old mate Voss. Id prefer some fresh ideas from someone different rather than the "Port Adelaide model" being reheated.. Bartel would be better imo and the rumour is they offered the job and big money to Danny Daly from Brisbane but he wants to be a senior coach and thats probably unfair to Voss to have a coach in waiting at the club. From that point of view Id prefer Bartel and even Hinkley just to give Voss some breathing space...
I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.
Has an existing relationship with Voss. Has more experience than you will likely find. Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently. Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.
Whats not to like?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 12, 2025, 04:28:14 pm
I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.
Has an existing relationship with Voss. Has more experience than you will likely find. Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently. Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.
Whats not to like?
Yes, Ken has an astute footy brain and has learnt not to take himself too seriously.
He has a good rapport with Vossy and would make an excellent sounding board. Like LP, I do have reservations about his willingness to take on a draining, full-time role at this time. Wright wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't ask.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 12, 2025, 05:21:39 pm
Hinkley has a good relationship record with players and being able to retain them so I guess football managing should suit him. I wouldnt want him in any coaching role though as his finals record isnt great and Port have been under achievers imo.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 12, 2025, 05:26:25 pm
I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.
Has an existing relationship with Voss. Has more experience than you will likely find. Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently. Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.
Whats not to like?
Yes, Ken has an astute footy brain and has learnt not to take himself too seriously.
He has a good rapport with Vossy and would make an excellent sounding board. Like LP, I do have reservations about his willingness to take on a draining, full-time role at this time. Wright wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't ask.
Master of ball movement apparently and given how we tend to struggle with it often, he'd be a welcomed addition if he could help out with that. Word is that is he wants to take time off with this family so it would seem that we wont be seeing Kenny in clubland next year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: pinot on August 12, 2025, 07:03:08 pm
Hinkley should be good - Voss will always see Hinkley as a Boss which might help him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: shawny on August 13, 2025, 11:40:58 am
I think he would do ok as a Head of Football but would be better at another club rather than reconnecting with his old mate Voss. Id prefer some fresh ideas from someone different rather than the "Port Adelaide model" being reheated.. Bartel would be better imo and the rumour is they offered the job and big money to Danny Daly from Brisbane but he wants to be a senior coach and thats probably unfair to Voss to have a coach in waiting at the club. From that point of view Id prefer Bartel and even Hinkley just to give Voss some breathing space...
I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.
Has an existing relationship with Voss. Has more experience than you will likely find. Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently. Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.
Whats not to like?
The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Adelaideblue on August 13, 2025, 01:50:52 pm
According to local sources, Ken Hinkley was sounded out by CFC for a player development role. Apparently his ability to encourage and develop young players has been a strength during time as Port coach.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on August 13, 2025, 02:00:52 pm
I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.
Has an existing relationship with Voss. Has more experience than you will likely find. Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently. Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.
Whats not to like?
The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted.
Depends on your definition of failure.
There is 1 premier every season, and the coach doesnt fail, the team does but even then, dumb luck can play a factor.
When you strip it down, finals is the reward for a successful season, and then going on to win, is the ultimate achievement. You dont fail if you dont win. You fail to play finals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 13, 2025, 02:18:53 pm
According to local sources, Ken Hinkley was sounded out by CFC for a player development role. Apparently his ability to encourage and develop young players has been a strength during time as Port coach.
The jungle drums are saying that he was sounded out for our head of footy 🤔
I suspect that he’d be better, and happier, in a development role.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2025, 06:17:31 pm
I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.
Has an existing relationship with Voss. Has more experience than you will likely find. Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently. Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.
Whats not to like?
The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted.
94% of coaches fail every year.
Some of those coaches who fail continually don't have the list to make it to finals, nevermind a prelim or a GF.
Before the season we made the prelim, not many were thinking it was possible. NOBODY was thinking it was possible when we were 7 goals down to GC in R12 or whatever it was when we were bottom 4.
We've tried 'successful coaches' in Malthouse and Pagan. That guarantees you nothing. You want to try them all?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: shawny on August 13, 2025, 06:30:30 pm
The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted.
94% of coaches fail every year.
Some of those coaches who fail continually don't have the list to make it to finals, nevermind a prelim or a GF.
Before the season we made the prelim, not many were thinking it was possible. NOBODY was thinking it was possible when we were 7 goals down to GC in R12 or whatever it was when we were bottom 4.
We've tried 'successful coaches' in Malthouse and Pagan. That guarantees you nothing. You want to try them all?
My point is if you are going to give Voss a right hand man invest in one that has tasted the ultimate success. It can still fail as it did with Pagan and Malthouse but i cant justify going with a guy that has been in the system for 15 years and yet to get past a PF.
If looking at experienced coaches prefer Longmire, Simpson even Goodwin types or go with a new guy that may be the next McCrae or Clarkson.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2025, 06:47:45 pm
Some of those coaches who fail continually don't have the list to make it to finals, nevermind a prelim or a GF.
Before the season we made the prelim, not many were thinking it was possible. NOBODY was thinking it was possible when we were 7 goals down to GC in R12 or whatever it was when we were bottom 4.
We've tried 'successful coaches' in Malthouse and Pagan. That guarantees you nothing. You want to try them all?
My point is if you are going to give Voss a right hand man invest in one that has tasted the ultimate success. It can still fail as it did with Pagan and Malthouse but i cant justify going with a guy that has been in the system for 15 years and yet to get past a PF.
If looking at experienced coaches prefer Longmire, Simpson even Goodwin types or go with a new guy that may be the next McCrae or Clarkson.
Nobody knows what role, if any, he is doing yet. Every premiership coach ever had a time where he wasn't a premiership coach. Given that, what's better a coach with 15 years experience or one with less?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on August 13, 2025, 08:36:36 pm
I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.
Has an existing relationship with Voss. Has more experience than you will likely find. Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently. Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.
Whats not to like?
The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted.
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Personally, never seen PF's as a failure. Like saying an Olympic bronze medal is a failure. Flags are damn hard to win. If you're often at the business end regularly, then you can coach.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on August 14, 2025, 11:22:00 am
Not much you can say really, some people just take simplistic views… win/loss or flag/no flag you’re either going to be in one camp or another. Just going round in circles at the moment.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: bratblue on August 14, 2025, 12:25:25 pm
Not much you can say really, some people just take simplistic views… win/loss or flag/no flag you’re either going to be in one camp or another. Just going round in circles at the moment.
As Crassus Lods would do, there's a lot of pertinant points to be made around that and a lengthy explaination around each one. Awaiting Lods....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 14, 2025, 02:20:22 pm
If we are praising and applauding semi and prelim final appearances we are thinking and acting like a bottom team....thats what StKilda supporters would do. No one who has experienced the glory years at Carlton is buying close enough is good enough, the only coaches or administrators that are remembered fondly are the ones who win premierships. 30 Years without a premiership is the reference point for the Carlton football club, we have gone from being a powerhouse to shizen haus and thats the bottom line. Premierships are hard to win but winning is a habit and we need winners in every area of the club on and off the field, not wannabes who may have tried to climb the mountain but failed to make it to the top.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on August 14, 2025, 02:36:48 pm
30 Years without a premiership is the reference point for the Carlton football club, we have gone from being a powerhouse to shizen haus and thats the bottom line.
20 of those years is thanks to Vlad, these days even he has publicly admitted he went far too hard!
Not because he feels for Carlton, but because it cost the AFL millions and millions of lost dollars over the last two decades.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 14, 2025, 03:08:37 pm
Ken Hinkley is a 2x winner of the AFLCA Coach of The Year Award.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on August 14, 2025, 03:12:08 pm
Ken Hinkley is a 2x winner of the AFLCA Coach of The Year Award.
If someone follows your line of thinking Paul, that makes him a well respected coach and leader of men. The guys on the other side will just claim that he went to the right parties and is a nice bloke...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 14, 2025, 03:15:19 pm
If someone follows your line of thinking Paul, that makes him a well respected coach and leader of men. The guys on the other side will just claim that he went to the right parties and is a nice bloke...
That's alright. Many times I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall, although I have no doubt my interlocutors feel much the same.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 14, 2025, 03:55:50 pm
Ken Hinkley is a 2x winner of the AFLCA Coach of The Year Award.
If someone follows your line of thinking Paul, that makes him a well respected coach and leader of men. The guys on the other side will just claim that he went to the right parties and is a nice bloke...
Captain Edward Smith was a respected sailor and leader of men, spanning over 40 years at sea, and was known for his experience and calm demeanor. He was a nice bloke who won some medals and went to lots of parties too but I wouldnt have been hiring him to take my shiny new boat out for a cruise anytime soon...😉
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on August 14, 2025, 04:13:35 pm
I think Hinkley would be very good alongside Voss He wouldn't be a coach in waiting because if Voss fails the combination would have been seen to fail too. Most coaches would go to those who coached them when they were players for some words of wisdom. In this case it's slightly different beause it's an assistant/coach relationship rather than a player/coach relationship. But the same rules apply. It's also a bit different in that Kenny would be 'on tap' rather than a phone call away.
Hinkley's been involved in coaching for most of the century. He was an assistant at Geelong for two of their premierships. At Port the lowest his side has finished is 11th They've made finals seven out of the twelve seasons he's been coaching them. He has a close to 60% win/loss record. They've made 4 preliminary finals, and while that may be seen as negative because they didn't make it to the end, at least they gave the seasons a good shot. He's got them close enough that he must have some idea of what he's doing.
The important thing is his relationship with Voss...we assume it's a good one. If it is, I wouldn't mind we went with the combination. They'll thrive or dive together.
@ bb I hope I don't end up like Crassus :( ..or Caligula ;) Roman leaders rarely died of old age. :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on August 14, 2025, 04:30:21 pm
If someone follows your line of thinking Paul, that makes him a well respected coach and leader of men. The guys on the other side will just claim that he went to the right parties and is a nice bloke...
That's alright. Many times I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall, although I have no doubt my interlocutors feel much the same.
the joys of forums :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 14, 2025, 04:33:35 pm
We need some new fresh ideas, not a reheat of the Port Adelaide coaching box imo, the Voss/Hinkley combo didnt work for Port and I think Voss needs to follow some of his own advice and that its not just the players who need to get comfortable being uncomfortable and he needs assistants who are going to challenge his thinking and not agree with everything he says like his buddy Kenny will do most of the time. Port have been terrible this season and the Hinkley/Carr partnership has been a disaster like most predicted. He does a great aeroplane impression just ask jack Ginnivan but I dont remember too many coaching highlights from Kenny this season...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on August 14, 2025, 04:42:52 pm
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend. Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on August 14, 2025, 05:10:01 pm
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend. Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
I'm thinking of you and your family Prof, hang in there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 14, 2025, 05:13:28 pm
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend. Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
All the best Prof to you, your father and your family, the Austin is a good hospital.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on August 14, 2025, 05:16:04 pm
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend. Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
Very sorry to hear that Prof. There are times when the trials and troubles of our football club seem a lot less important. But it's obviously a club that's played an important part in his life and given his age he would have known and seen the best of times, and the greatest of Carlton players. I'm sure they gave him some great moments. Take care.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on August 14, 2025, 05:28:13 pm
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend. Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
I've been in your shoes Prof, and can only say, that whilst the actual experience was terrible, there were some memories that were created in that situation that are double edged.
We carry pieces of the people we have lost with us everywhere we go, and luckily the game this weekend will not mean a lot in the scheme of things.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 14, 2025, 05:52:50 pm
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend. Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
Sorry to hear that Prof.
A couple of months after his 92nd birthday, Dad rang me to complain about the pain he was in. I thought I'd cheer him up and said, "You'll feel better when we beat Collingwood on Saturday." He responded with "Bulsh1t!" and hung up on me. That was the last thing he ever said to me as he simply willed himself to die. No palliative care, he was there and then he wasn't.
Mum went through palliative care at the Austin in her 98th year. That was both sad and joyous as she revelled in the company of her children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and great great grandchildren.
I hope your dad's passing is peaceful.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 14, 2025, 05:54:08 pm
It's not unreasonable to surmise that if you're winning an award like that without winning the flag, you'd have to be coaching pretty well. Much like Sam Walsh winning the Gary Ayres award even though we didn't play the GF.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on August 14, 2025, 05:58:14 pm
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend. Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
Sorry to hear this Prof. All my best for you and yours during this tough time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 14, 2025, 06:11:32 pm
It's not unreasonable to surmise that if you're winning an award like that without winning the flag, you'd have to be coaching pretty well. Much like Sam Walsh winning the Gary Ayres award even though we didn't play the GF.
I was being facetious Paul - should have used an emoticon or two :)
Of course the AFL coaches know who is coaching well. That only four of the last ten Alan Jeans award winners were the premiership coach indicates that the AFL coaches believe that there are more important criteria than lifting the cup. The fact that Hinkley won it in 2013 and 2020 suggests that he has been on top of his game for a long time and may have a lot more to offer than an ambitious assistant coach.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on August 14, 2025, 06:18:24 pm
He's got his 95 premiership cap and David Rhys Jones photo so he's in good company. Thanks fellas.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 14, 2025, 06:32:55 pm
I was being facetious Paul - should have used an emoticon or two :)
Of course the AFL coaches know who is coaching well. That only four of the last ten Alan Jeans award winners were the premiership coach indicates that the AFL coaches believe that there are more important criteria than lifting the cup. The fact that Hinkley won it in 2013 and 2020 suggests that he has been on top of his game for a long time and may have a lot more to offer than an ambitious assistant coach.
👍
No worries. I knew you were kidding. Words + reading somebody's work for many years = pretty clear communication.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 14, 2025, 06:51:59 pm
Looks like Will White is out, and Sam Walsh is in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Sexybronco on August 14, 2025, 07:03:58 pm
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend. Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
Sorry to hear Prof, may he last days/hours be comfortable and peaceful.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 14, 2025, 07:52:18 pm
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend. Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
Indeed, our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on August 14, 2025, 08:11:52 pm
Lewis Young to 'pick up' Aliir Aliir as a defensive forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 14, 2025, 08:12:00 pm
It will give him confidence in his body going into pre season. Fingers crossed he has an uninterrupted pre season
More like giving him farewell games. Just stupid.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on August 14, 2025, 08:13:53 pm
Why is playing walsh dumb?
There's two games left, and if he's going to get hurt, then he'll get hurt, but if he's fit and training, there's no reason not to play him.
These guys are competitors. They dont want to sit on the sidelines and train. Training is boring. You play because you love playing the game, and will be retired a long time when its over.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: pinot on August 14, 2025, 08:15:53 pm
Baggers love him they want to watch him play.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 14, 2025, 08:23:15 pm
There's two games left, and if he's going to get hurt, then he'll get hurt, but if he's fit and training, there's no reason not to play him.
These guys are competitors. They dont want to sit on the sidelines and train. Training is boring. You play because you love playing the game, and will be retired a long time when its over.
He's our Rolls Royce, he's been injured for several weeks, we have zero to play for, he should be focussing on rnd 1 2026 and doing bare minimum now. The preseason is long and hard and he hasn't done a full one in years. He should be in cotton wool right now just ticking the legs over. Just my uneducated opinion, gonna look farken stupid if he re-injures himself in nothing games.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on August 14, 2025, 08:24:21 pm
Our line-up:
B: 42 Adam Saad 23 Jacob Weitering 32 Matthew Carroll HB: 2 Lachlan Cowan 26 Nick Haynes 4 Oliver Hollands C: 13 Blake Acres 9 Patrick Cripps 18 Sam Walsh HF: 44 Francis Evans 33 Lewis Young 3 Jesse Motlop F: 6 Zac Williams 10 Harry McKay 12 Tom De Koning R: 40 Hudson O'Keeffe 36 Cooper Lord 43 Ashton Moir Int: 35 Billy Wilson 19 Corey Durdin 45 Flynn Young 8 Lachie Fogarty 29 George Hewett
Em: 27 Marc Pittonet 38 Will White 11 Mitch McGovern
I must admit that when I look at this side I do question how badly we want to win it. [1] Our defence looks shaky, whether Young plays there or not. Weitering is not 100% and not moving well against a really good forward in Georgiades, who leads. That is not a great matchup, but what other options do we have? Not sure who Haynes will match up on.
[2] Our forward line: well, we know that injuries have screwed that up, but Lewis Young at CHF? I'd have played Mitch McGovern in that job. As for the small forwards ... no, I don't want to go there. White probably needed a week back in the 2's.
[3]Walsh: Much as he is a great player, he hasn't played in 10 weeks. I'd prefer to have him start on the bench on limited minutes.
[4] The last couple of times Sweet had really had it over Tom de Koning. We have Skull as a backup, but that looks questionable.
Hopefully the MC know more than I do, but I hate playing guys who aren't 100%. It is playing with fire.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 14, 2025, 08:37:51 pm
There's two games left, and if he's going to get hurt, then he'll get hurt, but if he's fit and training, there's no reason not to play him.
These guys are competitors. They dont want to sit on the sidelines and train. Training is boring. You play because you love playing the game, and will be retired a long time when its over.
I would generally agree Thry. If we are going to put Walsh in cotton wool for dead rubbers, why not Weitering, why not Cripps etc. Walsh could get injured in pre season training - should be stop him from participating in that ? He could get injured in R1 next season. The scenarios are endless, and I'm not sure exactly where we draw the line.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on August 14, 2025, 08:41:25 pm
You don’t draw the line. He’s been galloping around the training track, so he fit and he plays.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on August 14, 2025, 08:47:43 pm
There's two games left, and if he's going to get hurt, then he'll get hurt, but if he's fit and training, there's no reason not to play him.
These guys are competitors. They dont want to sit on the sidelines and train. Training is boring. You play because you love playing the game, and will be retired a long time when its over.
He's our Rolls Royce, he's been injured for several weeks, we have zero to play for, he should be focussing on rnd 1 2026 and doing bare minimum now. The preseason is long and hard and he hasn't done a full one in years. He should be in cotton wool right now just ticking the legs over. Just my uneducated opinion, gonna look farken stupid if he re-injures himself in nothing games.
I understand that viewpoint but these are professional athletes who if they're lucky will have a 10 to 15 years playing at this level. Every game is important to them, and will want to salvage something out of the year. Walsh turns 25 soon. He's played 12 games this year, his worst return yet out of 7 seasons.
You become yesterday's hero very quickly in sport.
The idea that guys play when they arent right is what's wrong. The coaches will say are you fit or arent you and then figure out who's in the team accordingly.
As someone who loved playing soccer, the suggestion of a game got the competitive juices flowing and an adrenaline and dopamine hit that I can still feel as I type this, but im 42 and I know my degenerative knee will have me in agony rather than ecstasy and I still feel the call to pull on the boots. Walking the dogs at the local oval where the kids train occasionally I get the whiff of freshly cut turf and think longingly to my 20's.
So yeah, he might get hurt. Or he might end up like motley. In about 2 weeks, he'll be having 6 months off and won't play again until march.
If he's right to go its not stupid. If he isnt that's a different story.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on August 14, 2025, 09:14:43 pm
B: 42 Adam Saad 23 Jacob Weitering 32 Matthew Carroll HB: 2 Lachlan Cowan 26 Nick Haynes 4 Oliver Hollands C: 13 Blake Acres 9 Patrick Cripps 18 Sam Walsh HF: 44 Francis Evans 33 Lewis Young 3 Jesse Motlop F: 6 Zac Williams 10 Harry McKay 12 Tom De Koning R: 40 Hudson O'Keeffe 36 Cooper Lord 43 Ashton Moir Int: 35 Billy Wilson 19 Corey Durdin 45 Flynn Young 8 Lachie Fogarty 29 George Hewett
Em: 27 Marc Pittonet 38 Will White 11 Mitch McGovern
I must admit that when I look at this side I do question how badly we want to win it. [1] Our defence looks shaky, whether Young plays there or not. Weitering is not 100% and not moving well against a really good forward in Georgiades, who leads. That is not a great matchup, but what other options do we have? Not sure who Haynes will match up on.
[2] Our forward line: well, we know that injuries have screwed that up, but Lewis Young at CHF? I'd have played Mitch McGovern in that job. As for the small forwards ... no, I don't want to go there. White probably needed a week back in the 2's.
[3]Walsh: Much as he is a great player, he hasn't played in 10 weeks. I'd prefer to have him start on the bench on limited minutes.
[4] The last couple of times Sweet had really had it over Tom de Koning. We have Skull as a backup, but that looks questionable.
Hopefully the MC know more than I do, but I hate playing guys who aren't 100%. It is playing with fire.
1/ Not sure what you expect, thats about our best backline that we can put up now. SOS/HOF they won't be options next year. Gov, is probably a 50-50 at this stage. Doc is gone. Saad to maybe go out too. Newman to come back in....thats about it.
2/ Similar. Put Charlie in for Young and thats about our best. Maybe throw Cottrell in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 14, 2025, 09:20:50 pm
He's our Rolls Royce, he's been injured for several weeks, we have zero to play for, he should be focussing on rnd 1 2026 and doing bare minimum now. The preseason is long and hard and he hasn't done a full one in years. He should be in cotton wool right now just ticking the legs over. Just my uneducated opinion, gonna look farken stupid if he re-injures himself in nothing games.
I appreciate the sentiment, and I can see where you're coming from. But as I thought through it a little, IMO it seems to create more problems than it solves. At least that's how I see it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on August 14, 2025, 09:25:58 pm
B: 42 Adam Saad 23 Jacob Weitering 32 Matthew Carroll HB: 2 Lachlan Cowan 26 Nick Haynes 4 Oliver Hollands C: 13 Blake Acres 9 Patrick Cripps 18 Sam Walsh HF: 44 Francis Evans 33 Lewis Young 3 Jesse Motlop F: 6 Zac Williams 10 Harry McKay 12 Tom De Koning R: 40 Hudson O'Keeffe 36 Cooper Lord 43 Ashton Moir Int: 35 Billy Wilson 19 Corey Durdin 45 Flynn Young 8 Lachie Fogarty 29 George Hewett
Em: 27 Marc Pittonet 38 Will White 11 Mitch McGovern
I must admit that when I look at this side I do question how badly we want to win it. [1] Our defence looks shaky, whether Young plays there or not. Weitering is not 100% and not moving well against a really good forward in Georgiades, who leads. That is not a great matchup, but what other options do we have? Not sure who Haynes will match up on.
[2] Our forward line: well, we know that injuries have screwed that up, but Lewis Young at CHF? I'd have played Mitch McGovern in that job. As for the small forwards ... no, I don't want to go there. White probably needed a week back in the 2's.
[3]Walsh: Much as he is a great player, he hasn't played in 10 weeks. I'd prefer to have him start on the bench on limited minutes.
[4] The last couple of times Sweet had really had it over Tom de Koning. We have Skull as a backup, but that looks questionable.
Hopefully the MC know more than I do, but I hate playing guys who aren't 100%. It is playing with fire.
1/ Not sure what you expect, thats about our best backline that we can put up now. SOS/HOF they won't be options next year. Gov, is probably a 50-50 at this stage. Doc is gone. Saad to maybe go out too. Newman to come back in....thats about it.
2/ Similar. Put Charlie in for Young and thats about our best. Maybe throw Cottrell in.
You're right enough, but I don't have to like it. And I do think that McGovern is a better forward than Lewis Young.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on August 15, 2025, 10:17:18 am
Nothing to be gained by playing Walsh. He should be resting his foot till preseason starts.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on August 15, 2025, 10:49:40 am
I would have played McGovern and Young as the forwards and put Harry at CHB
It's supposed to bet the fun time of the year when you can do what you like without worrying about it. :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 15, 2025, 01:56:25 pm
I wouldn't have played Walsh in a who cares game. Nothing to be gained and being injury prone plenty to lose imo. I think we will beat Port who have a few out like us and kids who I have never heard of before. McGovern looks like his tenure at the club is over and can't say I'm disappointed as he has been underwhelming more often than useful.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: pertz on August 15, 2025, 02:50:07 pm
Not unhappy with the stance on Guv. Time to move on from the likes of him. He can't complain, he has been compensated very well for what he has delivered.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on August 15, 2025, 03:35:38 pm
Voss says Gov is required. He just has to accept a lot less money.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Sexybronco on August 15, 2025, 05:51:02 pm
Nothing to be gained by playing Walsh. He should be resting his foot till preseason starts.
This is a Carlton perspective.
Not a Walsh perspective.
There are two sides to this discussion, and the ones saying he shouldnt be playing, are the ones thinking we are pushing him out there under done.
I reckon hes chomping at the bit, and he was first listed as due back round 21. Its round 23 now. Hes had a couple of extra weeks. Would you rather he played VFL?