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Title: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on August 14, 2025, 08:28:24 pm
Ready for Saturday. What a strange thing it is to be playing on a Saturday afternoon!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on August 16, 2025, 05:44:27 pm
Where have those last 5 qtrs we have played been all year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 16, 2025, 05:52:41 pm
In a way, that game confirms what is already widely known, i.e that when we dominate clearance and stoppage we are very hard to beat. This is IMO both a strength and a weakness, and no doubt the coaches are perfectly aware of this and are trying to add some additional strings to our bow. Both teams had some young kids out there, although Port probably had a couple more. No Horne-Francis would have also hurt. Still, a super effort across 4q. I'm going to enjoy this one. Well done CFC.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 16, 2025, 05:56:31 pm
Also, a big forward kicking a bag always reminds me of the old days.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on August 16, 2025, 06:06:13 pm
I didn't expect to win like that, although we did slow down after half time (some things don't change).
[1] H: The reason I like H much more as a forward than either of the Kings is that H doesn't get many easy ones. Our disposal is simply not good enough often enough for him to get easy goals. Instead, he takes contested grabs. He actually beats his opponent. He tackles. He chases, not brilliantly sometimes, but he does it and he is surprisingly quick for a big fellow. For example: H takes the ruck in the forward pocket and guides the ball to his boot for a fantastic goal. Neither of the Kings can do anything like that. That said, sometimes he can be mentally weak, falling over or miskicking when a good possession could be a game winner, and he isn't the smartest player you've ever seen; he can muck things up with a poor decision or an awful kick. However, he is the real deal and we are a better team with him playing. He had 3 different opponents today and thrashed each of them.
[2] Sam Walsh: I was dubious about playing a guy who had to be under done. What an idiot I was. He played one of his best today, and he was on seriously managed minutes (especially after half time). 28 possessions, 5 clearances and 2 points. The weakness in his game was those two points; Sam doesn't tend to kick many goals. If he can become a goalkicker, he would raise his game even further. The other thing that was really noticeable was that he was fit; he was struggling to move like this earlier in the season. I think staying fit is going to his issue over time. I hope he can be managed successfully, but I haven't seen any signs of that yet. The other thing that was clear was the difference he makes to a our centre setup. His run really makes a difference. Now, imagine next season with Jagga Smith, who can also accelerate away and break tackles. Then add Cody Walker the season later. That transforms our slow, stolid midfield in ways I am sure we'll enjoy.
[3] Jacob Weitering: If Jacob is 100% bit, then my name is Spock and my blood is green. Whitlock got away from a couple of times just because he couldn't move like he usually does. That didn't stop him doing some brilliant things, but he is clearly trying to get to the end of the season. On the other hand, Lewis Young had one of his very best games. He played mostly on Georgiades and beat him. I wasn't sure he had it in him, but he really stepped up today. Nick Haynes didn't have an obvious matchup today, so he played on the wing all day and had a great game. His intensity and intercepting were wonderful to watch. For that matter, Blake Acres had his best game for the year. Acres was brilliant in the way he interrupted Port's play.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 16, 2025, 06:09:02 pm
Nice post crash.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: RiverRat on August 16, 2025, 06:35:47 pm
Amazing what a difference it makes when the opposition rucks fail to impose themselves at centre bounces.
TDK was largely untouched (looked more like last year) and even O'Keeffe was able to palm the ball to advantage without a problem - hence lots of centre clearances and time to kick the ball to teammates who were not outnumbered.
Outstanding first half - pathetic third quarter - better final quarter but still junk-football.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on August 16, 2025, 06:45:32 pm
It's a little hard to get a handle on these end of season games. You're looking at teams with a whole different set of priorities. Some of those still in contention are looking for big wins to keep their percentages healthy. Other like us and Port are into a bit of experimenting with the young'uns We're pretty much in the same boat. We probably shouldn't read too much into these games But it is nice to win and perform well for most of the game. Neither team had much to play for, we just wanted it more today.
Our young players all show a bit, and with another pre-season under their belt some of them should really impact next year. If Walsh can have a full year next year it will be more than handy. Newman, Smith and Kemp hopefully recovering well. Curnow fit and firing. Same again next week and we can go into the off-season in a better mood with a little more positivity.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on August 16, 2025, 07:47:33 pm
Amazing what a difference it makes when the opposition rucks fail to impose themselves at centre bounces.
I rate Sweet as a ruck. That Tom and Skull did so well against him early was a huge positive for us. After half time, it was very different; Sweet dominated in the ruck. But our mids were up and running at that point. As for Tom, we saw both his strengths and weaknesses. His willingness to work hard today, which is not always apparent, was very much the difference. He got to contests instead of jogging around, he got his hand on the ball, and he didn't screw up his possessions. Skull: now that was pleasing, as he dominated when Sweet wasn't there, while doing decently when he was. It shows he has a future as a ruck, especially if he can straighten out his kicking, as his contested marks were excellent. H did quite well for the ruck for most of the day, which I think is good for him; it gets him into the game when the ball isn't coming down well. That goal, that was one to remember and it really got his tail up.
TDK was largely untouched (looked more like last year) and even O'Keeffe was able to palm the ball to advantage without a problem - hence lots of centre clearances and time to kick the ball to teammates who were not outnumbered.
I don't know if Tom is going to be with us next year or not, but if the changes to the ruck allow a jumper like him to get better access, then he will be more effective. At the moment, the strongest ruck wins, which I don't really like much. There is a lot more to ruckcraft than that, and I'd like to see more of it.
Outstanding first half - pathetic third quarter - better final quarter but still junk-football.
Pretty accurate. Our 3rd quarter wasn't the disaster that some of our 3rd quarters have been, but we certainly at our worst for the day. I was happy to see how our young defenders stood up at the time to be honest, but Port should have kicked some goals. On the other hand, so should we. We had chances and couldn't make the most of them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: MickyO on August 16, 2025, 08:09:48 pm
Really enjoyable to watch such a win live.
I thought Carroll was really good - good kicking, good composure and good decision making. Well done to him.
I must admit the playing of the youth and how they’re going has really upped my mood again - when the season went to crap I couldn’t imagine going to another game yet I’m considering going again next week - its exciting watching some young talent.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on August 16, 2025, 08:13:18 pm
If nothing else the Frank the Tank show is worth going to watch.
Love it. Hes not exactly a star, but he plays like it means something ans has some endearing qualities.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on August 16, 2025, 08:21:20 pm
It was interesting to see the players get around Tom DeKoning when he kicked a goal. It was very enthusiastic. We assume he's gone, I'm not even sure the club is fighting too hard anymore. If he departs I think he'll leave behind a few mates. If nothing else it's pleasing to see him finishing the season with a bit of effort. Got a bit of a cheer there from the crowd at one stage.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on August 16, 2025, 08:50:02 pm
It was interesting to see the players get around Tom DeKoning when he kicked a goal. It was very enthusiastic. We assume he's gone, I'm not even sure the club is fighting too hard anymore. If he departs I think he'll leave behind a few mates. If nothing else it's pleasing to see him finishing the season with a bit of effort. Got a bit of a cheer there from the crowd at one stage.
No ones is going to blame him for going for that amount of coin. I'm sure he'd like to stay but one has to make the most of their chances financially too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 16, 2025, 08:52:50 pm
I didn't expect to win like that, although we did slow down after half time (some things don't change).
[1] H: The reason I like H much more as a forward than either of the Kings is that H doesn't get many easy ones. Our disposal is simply not good enough often enough for him to get easy goals. Instead, he takes contested grabs. He actually beats his opponent. He tackles. He chases, not brilliantly sometimes, but he does it and he is surprisingly quick for a big fellow. For example: H takes the ruck in the forward pocket and guides the ball to his boot for a fantastic goal. Neither of the Kings can do anything like that. That said, sometimes he can be mentally weak, falling over or miskicking when a good possession could be a game winner, and he isn't the smartest player you've ever seen; he can muck things up with a poor decision or an awful kick. However, he is the real deal and we are a better team with him playing. He had 3 different opponents today and thrashed each of them.
[2] Sam Walsh: I was dubious about playing a guy who had to be under done. What an idiot I was. He played one of his best today, and he was on seriously managed minutes (especially after half time). 28 possessions, 5 clearances and 2 points. The weakness in his game was those two points; Sam doesn't tend to kick many goals. If he can become a goalkicker, he would raise his game even further. The other thing that was really noticeable was that he was fit; he was struggling to move like this earlier in the season. I think staying fit is going to his issue over time. I hope he can be managed successfully, but I haven't seen any signs of that yet. The other thing that was clear was the difference he makes to a our centre setup. His run really makes a difference. Now, imagine next season with Jagga Smith, who can also accelerate away and break tackles. Then add Cody Walker the season later. That transforms our slow, stolid midfield in ways I am sure we'll enjoy.
[3] Jacob Weitering: If Jacob is 100% bit, then my name is Spock and my blood is green. Whitlock got away from a couple of times just because he couldn't move like he usually does. That didn't stop him doing some brilliant things, but he is clearly trying to get to the end of the season. On the other hand, Lewis Young had one of his very best games. He played mostly on Georgiades and beat him. I wasn't sure he had it in him, but he really stepped up today. Nick Haynes didn't have an obvious matchup today, so he played on the wing all day and had a great game. His intensity and intercepting were wonderful to watch. For that matter, Blake Acres had his best game for the year. Acres was brilliant in the way he interrupted Port's play.
Good stuff Crash, one thing about H is that he leaves it all the ground every week. To use a Nafan Buckely quote, "he empties his tank". As for Weiters, he needs to trust his other defenders and worry about his man. Too often he splits the two key fwds hoping to 1/2 cover both and it fails. One of the commentators last week suggested he might have to drop a few kgs over the summer to get some mobility, I agree.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: MickyO on August 16, 2025, 09:09:52 pm
It was interesting to see the players get around Tom DeKoning when he kicked a goal. It was very enthusiastic. We assume he's gone, I'm not even sure the club is fighting too hard anymore. If he departs I think he'll leave behind a few mates. If nothing else it's pleasing to see him finishing the season with a bit of effort. Got a bit of a cheer there from the crowd at one stage.
No ones is going to blame him for going for that amount of coin. I'm sure he'd like to stay but one has to make the most of their chances financially too.
No, sorry, I disagree.
TDK does not strike me as a ‘I was born confident’ type like Harley Reid nor as marketable and dynamic and match winning as Buddy. It’s a lot of money and he will be heavily scrutinised for the rest of his career.
We act as though AFL players don’t get paid very very very well. And Carlton has offered TDK a hell of a sum - they have the best financial people around to assist, that can easily turn what Carlton would give him into more money and Opportunities.
I think he’s making a mistake. He seems like a nice fella but I won’t wish him well - The whole thing with SOS and Stk has left a really bad taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on August 16, 2025, 10:31:40 pm
No ones is going to blame him for going for that amount of coin. I'm sure he'd like to stay but one has to make the most of their chances financially too.
No, sorry, I disagree.
TDK does not strike me as a ‘I was born confident’ type like Harley Reid nor as marketable and dynamic and match winning as Buddy. It’s a lot of money and he will be heavily scrutinised for the rest of his career.
We act as though AFL players don’t get paid very very very well. And Carlton has offered TDK a hell of a sum - they have the best financial people around to assist, that can easily turn what Carlton would give him into more money and Opportunities.
I think he’s making a mistake. He seems like a nice fella but I won’t wish him well - The whole thing with SOS and Stk has left a really bad taste in my mouth.
not many are knocking back.1.7 mil a year. You're a long time retired and you have to make the most of your financial security when you can. Put yourself in his shoes. What would you do? Guessing the same. The fact is when free agents leave their club to come here we wrap our arms around them. If you do.that then.you have to accept players leave too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: RiverRat on August 16, 2025, 11:08:31 pm
As for Weiters, he needs to trust his other defenders and worry about his man. Too often he splits the two key fwds hoping to 1/2 cover both and it fails. One of the commentators last week suggested he might have to drop a few kgs over the summer to get some mobility, I agree.
He was able to get away with it when he was partnered with Jones because Jones had closing speed to burn but, regardless, Weiters doesn't have the acceleration or mobility that he used to have.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: tonyo on August 17, 2025, 07:19:01 am
I think one of the great stories out of this train-wreck of a year is George Hewett.
He was absolutely sensational yesterday, and has consistently performed right throughout the year. Would have to be a mile in front of our B&F.
Makes me think back to the middle of last year when he was 'managed' for a few games, which corresponded with us losing all momentum.
Amazing how the guys who fly under the radar can surprise the most. Reminds me a bit of Brett Ratten.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 17, 2025, 08:16:31 am
I think one of the great stories out of this train-wreck of a year is George Hewett.
He was absolutely sensational yesterday, and has consistently performed right throughout the year. Would have to be a mile in front of our B&F.
Makes me think back to the middle of last year when he was 'managed' for a few games, which corresponded with us losing all momentum.
Amazing how the guys who fly under the radar can surprise the most. Reminds me a bit of Brett Ratten.
George apparently trains with exactly the same intensity that he plays. He is the consummate professional is is rarely injured. He is a very important cog in our wheel, remove Charlie from the leadership group and get this guy and Haynes in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on August 17, 2025, 09:18:50 am
I think one of the great stories out of this train-wreck of a year is George Hewett.
He was absolutely sensational yesterday, and has consistently performed right throughout the year. Would have to be a mile in front of our B&F.
Makes me think back to the middle of last year when he was 'managed' for a few games, which corresponded with us losing all momentum.
Amazing how the guys who fly under the radar can surprise the most. Reminds me a bit of Brett Ratten.
Well said, T.
In a year of inconsistency, disappointment, failure and false dawns/promises there has been one reliable, dependable and constant performer - Georgie.
And a few emerging, potential bright lights for the future including Cooper Lord, Lachie Cowan, the old bloke Nick Haynes, Carroll, HOF and dare I say... Frankie!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LordLucifer on August 17, 2025, 10:15:33 am
Had to work yesterday & was completely buggered when I eventually got home so haven't seen anything of the game.
Will try and watch the first half to get a sense of who did what but it looks like a complete performance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on August 17, 2025, 10:42:58 am
I think Carroll is a good hybrid size and could end up a real player and his kicking is a weapon, but he needs to win or halve more one on one aerial contests if he going to become a 'bankable' player. If you commit to a ball in the air you have to mark it, spoil it or otherwise kill the contest or you're trouble on the last line. Maybe it's just an inexperience thing. Saw some stuff from Saad I didn't like either - tackle or block - just don't stand there and get stepped.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LordLucifer on August 17, 2025, 11:25:59 am
Fair points Prof, Carroll is a young player who needs to tidy up some loose ends in his game, this "should" come with some stroing coaching & disciplines.
As for Saad, I put a line through his name some weeks back. I always thought his incredible burst of legspeed and pinpoint kicking made him look better than he really was. Now that he doesn't have that burst of speed like he used to, his lack of a defensive mindset is fully exposed to the extent that he is fast becoming a liablity in defence.
Way too loose, let's his direct opponent do whatever he likes plus looks like he doesn't care any more either.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: RiverRat on August 17, 2025, 11:28:46 am
I think one of the great stories out of this train-wreck of a year is George Hewett.
He was absolutely sensational yesterday, and has consistently performed right throughout the year. Would have to be a mile in front of our B&F.
Not taking anything away from George but he took full advantage of increased playing time (especially in the midfield role) resulting from from the club discarding Matt Kennedy, the reduced availability of Walsh and comparative down-year by Cripps
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: pew2 on August 17, 2025, 03:08:21 pm
worst game plan in the league how easy did a struggling port carve us up with quick ball movement hitting up there fwds on the chest compare to ours always hard work ,Game style plan has to change for 26
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 17, 2025, 03:40:56 pm
worst game plan in the league how easy did a struggling port carve us up with quick ball movement hitting up there fwds on the chest compare to ours always hard work ,Game style plan has to change for 26
Ill happily argue there are 6 teams with worse game plans than us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 17, 2025, 03:52:22 pm
worst game plan in the league how easy did a struggling port carve us up with quick ball movement hitting up there fwds on the chest compare to ours always hard work ,Game style plan has to change for 26
Ill happily argue there are 6 teams with worse game plans than us.
I reckon we're one of the best teams to watch when we execute our game plan well. The way we demolished Geelong was a joy to behold. No coincidence that Walsh was at his best and Harry and Charlie were firing that day.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on August 17, 2025, 04:12:32 pm
Since our game plan has received a 'tweak' (according to Vossy) we've been much better and as David (DJC) mentioned, actually really impressive to watch. Exciting even.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 17, 2025, 04:26:22 pm
Since our game plan has received a 'tweak' (according to Vossy) we've been much better and as David (DJC) mentioned, actually really impressive to watch. Exciting even.
Davids key word was "execute", Vossy also calls it "finishing our plays". I just call it ball butchering. Nothing wrong with our game plan, if you miss your kicks, handballs and marks, doesnt matter how you play.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 17, 2025, 04:33:00 pm
Graham Wright stated that a number of our key metrics are in good order, but kicking efficiency and conversion inside F50 are big problems. As GTC succinctly put it, ball butchering.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on August 17, 2025, 04:35:14 pm
Graham Wright stated that a number of our key metrics are in good order, but kicking efficiency and conversion inside F50 are big problems. As GTC succinctly put it, ball butchering.
Its taken the brains trust of Cook and Wright a year together to come to that conclusion?
Pretty sure every man and his dog on here has been saying it forever.
Stats show we are one of the best for getting inside 50's and one of (if not THE) worst for converting them into goals.
Sometimes these type of 'insights' by the powers that be worry me.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 17, 2025, 04:41:12 pm
Since our game plan has received a 'tweak' (according to Vossy) we've been much better and as David (DJC) mentioned, actually really impressive to watch. Exciting even.
Davids key word was "execute", Vossy also calls it "finishing out plays". I just call it ball butchering. Nothing wrong with our game plan, if you miss your kicks, handballs and marks, doesnt matter how you play.
The tweak I noticed yesterday was our willingness to look for an extra pass by hand or foot. Jesse Motlop is a case in point; he seemed reluctant to have a shot and was looking for a teammate every time he got the pill. That's generally the way Zac Williams plays but he seemed even more determined to find a teammate. Then there was that play in the forward pocket that ended up in a goal after Zac marked dead in front. The chain of possessions was Acres, Evans, Acres, Moir, Hewett, Acres, Williams and every one could have had a shot, and probably would have a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on August 17, 2025, 04:43:03 pm
Graham Wright stated that a number of our key metrics are in good order, but kicking efficiency and conversion inside F50 are big problems. As GTC succinctly put it, ball butchering.
Its taken the brains trust of Cook and Wright a year together to come to that conclusion?
Pretty sure every man and his dog on here has been saying it forever.
Stats show we are one of the best for getting inside 50's and one of (if not THE) worst for converting them into goals.
Sometimes these type of 'insights' by the powers that be worry me.
I'm guessing they were as aware as we were. :D I think it would have been something that has been given a thorough 'discussing'.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on August 17, 2025, 04:56:26 pm
Its taken the brains trust of Cook and Wright a year together to come to that conclusion?
Pretty sure every man and his dog on here has been saying it forever.
Stats show we are one of the best for getting inside 50's and one of (if not THE) worst for converting them into goals.
Sometimes these type of 'insights' by the powers that be worry me.
I'm pretty sure all at the club are aware of it, and have been since it became an issue. His answers need to be seen in the context of the questions he's being asked. He's appeared on several media outlets, and has been asked repeatedly about the game plan. His point being the issue is more skill level than game plan. Not revelatory, but confirming we won't be throwing out what works.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: hanwell on August 17, 2025, 04:56:45 pm
The chain of possessions in that resulted in Zac's goal was like watching a glimpse of '23 all over again.... Sort of exemplified the day with players continually running past, shorter but pinpoint kicks, and not blazing away but finding a team mate in a better position. But my question is "where has this been all year?", they even got a standing ovation from the Carltonian section at half time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 17, 2025, 05:24:14 pm
Davids key word was "execute", Vossy also calls it "finishing out plays". I just call it ball butchering. Nothing wrong with our game plan, if you miss your kicks, handballs and marks, doesnt matter how you play.
The tweak I noticed yesterday was our willingness to look for an extra pass by hand or foot. Jesse Motlop is a case in point; he seemed reluctant to have a shot and was looking for a teammate every time he got the pill. That's generally the way Zac Williams plays but he seemed even more determined to find a teammate. Then there was that play in the forward pocket that ended up in a goal after Zac marked dead in front. The chain of possessions was Acres, Evans, Acres, Moir, Hewett, Acres, Williams and every one could have had a shot, and probably would have a couple of weeks ago.
No issues with all that mate, I get there have been some tweaks. Again, you can tweak all you like, if you butcher the ball it's academic. I suspect they have gone to basics with skills training over the last few months. We are still too slow for my liking and you change that without recruiting it. We shouldn't have to at this level but I guess they might be teaching old dogs news tricks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on August 17, 2025, 05:25:33 pm
Don't underestimate the infectious effect Sam Walsh had on the group as a whole. He runs and breaks lines and draws others to do the same. His freedom of movement was as good as it has been for 18 months. His impact affects Cripps, Hewett and makes the small forwards get busy in less a congested forward line. Get Walsh, Smith and Cottrell on the move next year, and the game plan will look pretty good.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 17, 2025, 06:19:26 pm
Don't underestimate the infectious effect Sam Walsh had on the group as a whole. He runs and breaks lines and draws others to do the same. His freedom of movement was as good as it has been for 18 months. His impact affects Cripps, Hewett and makes the small forwards get busy in less a congested forward line. Get Walsh, Smith and Cottrell on the move next year, and the game plan will look pretty good.
I was thinking along the same lines when the camera focused on Walsh, Smith, Newman and Lucas Camporeale watching on at the Suns game. It could have been a very different result with Walsh and Smith breaking the lines and Newey giving Weiters support and the confidence to concentrate on his own game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 17, 2025, 07:05:01 pm
Ollie Wines copped 3 weeks for the bump that concussed Cooper Lord.
Lord had been very effective in his tagging role - and winning his own footy. He'd copped a lot of attention from Butters and it wouldn't surprise me if Wines was hoping add to the treatment.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on August 17, 2025, 07:58:07 pm
Ollie Wines copped 3 weeks for the bump that concussed Cooper Lord.
Lord had been very effective in his tagging role - and winning his own footy. He'd copped a lot of attention from Butters and it wouldn't surprise me if Wines was hoping add to the treatment.
Looking at the incident, which I don't recall seeing at the time, I think Wines got what he deserved. We'll miss Lord: the lad has shown a fair bit this year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on August 17, 2025, 09:19:06 pm
I'm mixed on the Wines penalty, I understand the AFL's position on this, but I think 3 weeks is a bit steep. I agree that players should have a responsibility to those around them, but I think players should also have some awareness to be prepared for unexpected contact.
I think it's crazy that the AFL stance is effectively making others 100% responsible and liable for your welfare.
I think just a week or two would have been enough.
btw., I've heard that Lord was in another separate incident that actually copped him high, so how do you assign a delayed concussion to one incident and not another? It will be interesting to see what comes out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: deepbluesee on August 17, 2025, 09:30:12 pm
I'm mixed on the Wines penalty, I understand the AFL's position on this, but I think 3 weeks is a bit steep. I agree that players should have a responsibility to those around them, but I think players should also have some awareness to be prepared for unexpected contact.
I think it's crazy that the AFL stance is effectively making others 100% responsible and liable for your welfare.
I think just a week or two would have been enough.
btw., I've heard that Lord was in another separate incident that actually copped him high, so how do you assign a delayed concussion to one incident and not another? It will be interesting to see what comes out.
I too thought 3 weeks was a bit heavy. Just seemed like a late bump. Did he actually get Lord high? Didn't look it to me. Maybe hit his head on the ground. It seems the penalty is based on the damage done, especially if you elect to bump. Plenty of bumps like that end up with no serious outcome.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LoveNavy on August 18, 2025, 12:57:27 am
Where have those last 5 qtrs we have played been all year.
I think we've seriously struggled with connection. Missing players like Walsh, Newman, and Elijah has been costly IMO.
Add the runners that also help in that facet of the game and we look disorganised and pressured. Then we panic, and the oppo smell blood. This is where missing Cotterell and out of form Acres has magnified the problem. At least that's how I've seen it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on August 18, 2025, 01:56:12 am
I'm mixed on the Wines penalty, I understand the AFL's position on this, but I think 3 weeks is a bit steep. I agree that players should have a responsibility to those around them, but I think players should also have some awareness to be prepared for unexpected contact.
I think it's crazy that the AFL stance is effectively making others 100% responsible and liable for your welfare.
I think just a week or two would have been enough.
btw., I've heard that Lord was in another separate incident that actually copped him high, so how do you assign a delayed concussion to one incident and not another? It will be interesting to see what comes out.
I too thought 3 weeks was a bit heavy. Just seemed like a late bump. Did he actually get Lord high? Didn't look it to me. Maybe hit his head on the ground. It seems the penalty is based on the damage done, especially if you elect to bump. Plenty of bumps like that end up with no serious outcome.
Wines’ shoulder hits Lord in the temple and that’s what does the damage. The only question I have is whether it was a clumsy, poorly executed bump or a deliberate attempt to take out a tagger?
A player of Wines’ ability and experience wouldn’t normally elect to bump in that situation. He’s around 100kg and makes quite an impression when he does smash an opponent as he smashed Lord.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Milhanna13 on August 18, 2025, 10:16:23 am
The chain of possessions in that resulted in Zac's goal was like watching a glimpse of '23 all over again.... Sort of exemplified the day with players continually running past, shorter but pinpoint kicks, and not blazing away but finding a team mate in a better position. But my question is "where has this been all year?", they even got a standing ovation from the Carltonian section at half time.
a lot of stuff (handballs, knock ons, short chip kicks etc) out the front of the pack or to a guy running past. whereas, this year has been a lot of handballing to blokes standing still, or backwards. makes a big difference
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LoveNavy on August 18, 2025, 09:16:20 pm
Pleasing to see us put together close to 4q. We look so much better with Walsh back. I hope there's no truth to the trade rumours.
H was unstoppable, even showed a bit of attitude after marking v Byrne-Jones.
All the kids keep showing glimpses. Big HOK was impressive. Love his simple goalkicking style. Thats definitely something others could improve. Going early here. Lord is our next Crippa. His decision making is beyond his years IMO.
Despite another dead end season, there is a little glimmer of hope for the future. I just hope we rebound quickly after the ps changes settle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: tonyo on August 19, 2025, 07:45:54 am
Pleasing to see us put together close to 4q. We look so much better with Walsh back. I hope there's no truth to the trade rumours.
H was unstoppable, even showed a bit of attitude after marking v Byrne-Jones.
All the kids keep showing glimpses. Big HOK was impressive. Love his simple goalkicking style. Thats definitely something others could improve. Going early here. Lord is our next Crippa. His decision making is beyond his years IMO.
Despite another dead end season, there is a little glimmer of hope for the future. I just hope we rebound quickly after the ps changes settle.
I honestly think far more than a glimmer......
The competition is more even than ever now, and it only takes a bit of luck on the injury front and some developing and enthusiastic young players to give us a mega boost. If the older guys buy in to that youthful enthusiasm, they'll grow an extra leg as well. Harry discovered that at the weekend.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: bratblue on August 19, 2025, 11:08:17 am
We haven't seen Jagga yet who promises to be a real excitement machine who's body probably needed the extra year away from being bashed in the AFL. It could be exciting times ahead, I wish we were playing Collingwood on thursday night.