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Title: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: crashlander on August 16, 2025, 08:37:48 pm
Another bl**dy Thursday night than I can't get to. I'm very angry about this. But whether the AFL will give me any satisfaction on the topic is another matter.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Blue Moon on August 17, 2025, 09:42:47 am
In the last 20 odd seasons we have won two games by a point and had one draw in the last home and away game of a season. Our record is not very good. This Thursday is a big opportunity to start turning that record around.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: pinot on August 17, 2025, 09:43:59 am
Four more days and this season is over.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: shawny on August 17, 2025, 10:37:56 am
tdk 100th.
playing his 100th in his last game in a disaster of a year for the club is so carlton.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: crashlander on August 17, 2025, 07:59:26 pm
We'll miss Cooper Lord, who has been very good for us this year. Not sure who comes in to replace him after today's schmozzle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Lods on August 17, 2025, 08:18:24 pm
We'll miss Cooper Lord, who has been very good for us this year. Not sure who comes in to replace him after today's schmozzle.
If his suspension is up I wonder whether they mightn't give Ben Camporeale a run just to give him a taste.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 17, 2025, 08:21:57 pm
Should win easily vs the Dons, they went ok vs the negatively minded Saints but they are very undermanned especially down back and they have just too many kids in the team.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 17, 2025, 08:26:40 pm
Should win easily vs the Dons, they went ok vs the negatively minded Saints but they are very undermanned especially down back and they have just too many kids in the team.
The only thing stopping us winning is ourselves, that is if our mindset is all about footy trips, holidays and for some moving onto greener and more lucrative pastures. They need to go in with a view to give it one more big effort, one more big push and get TDK a win for his 100th and last game in Navy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 17, 2025, 08:28:22 pm
We'll miss Cooper Lord, who has been very good for us this year. Not sure who comes in to replace him after today's schmozzle.
only one who has done the run with or "job" on a mid is Cincotta and if Im correct, he is ineligible due to a 5 day break right? White probably comes back in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: hanwell on August 19, 2025, 05:30:15 pm
In a per centage boosting flogging, Baggers by 60 points!! Harry kicks 6, Frank the Tank a lazy 4 and Moir takes a mark of the Year contender. At the end of the day TDK announces he's signed a five year deal to stay blue and JSOS comes in from the cold and accepts our offer...... delusional or dead set??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 19, 2025, 05:46:18 pm
In a per centage boosting flogging, Baggers by 60 points!! Harry kicks 6, Frank the Tank a lazy 4 and Moir takes a mark of the Year contender. At the end of the day TDK announces he's signed a five year deal to stay blue and JSOS comes in from the cold and accepts our offer...... delusional or dead set??
33.33% dead set, 66.67% delusional.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 19, 2025, 06:28:14 pm
We'll miss Cooper Lord, who has been very good for us this year. Not sure who comes in to replace him after today's schmozzle.
only one who has done the run with or "job" on a mid is Cincotta and if Im correct, he is ineligible due to a 5 day break right? White probably comes back in.
I'm pretty sure that it's five days between AFL games. Players can and do play AFL and VFL on the same or next day. Vossy did say that they held players back from the VFL game for Thursday night and Elijah Hollands was unlikely to be considered because he only had a five day break (there may be other reasons).
Hewett is an excellent run with midfielder who doesn't sacrifice his own game. He's just not so prolific. That might be a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul though.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: northernblue on August 19, 2025, 08:39:58 pm
There’s credible social media reports suggesting the Camporeale boys may get to play on Thursday night…
😎
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Lods on August 19, 2025, 09:27:48 pm
The MC couldn’t be absolute bastards and leave TDK stranded on 99 games, could they?
If John Elliott was alive and still in charge that's exactly what would happen ;) :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 20, 2025, 06:46:09 pm
Will White and Lucas Camporeale are the ins.
No Gov, no three rucks and TDK will get his name on the locker. I suspect that he'll look back on that with more pride than the next stage in his footy career.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 20, 2025, 06:55:39 pm
No Gov, no three rucks and TDK will get his name on the locker. I suspect that he'll look back on that with more pride than the next stage in his footy career.
Mate, by the time he finishes his career, Carlton will be a distant memory and he will always be considered a StK player, maybe even legend depending on what he achieves there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 20, 2025, 06:56:13 pm
No Gov, no three rucks and TDK will get his name on the locker. I suspect that he'll look back on that with more pride than the next stage in his footy career.
Not sure I would have given TDK the opportunity to have his name on the locker, the club are very generous. Dylan Shiel playing his last game for the Bombers after being told DCM.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 20, 2025, 07:08:04 pm
No Gov, no three rucks and TDK will get his name on the locker. I suspect that he'll look back on that with more pride than the next stage in his footy career.
Mate, by the time he finishes his career, Carlton will be a distant memory and he will always be considered a StK player, maybe even legend depending on what he achieves there.
You could be right, but I have a feeling that it will end in tears ...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Sexybronco on August 20, 2025, 07:42:39 pm
Mate, by the time he finishes his career, Carlton will be a distant memory and he will always be considered a StK player, maybe even legend depending on what he achieves there.
You could be right, but I have a feeling that it will end in tears ...
Helm have 1.7 million reasons per year to console himself with, he’ll be OK.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 20, 2025, 07:51:36 pm
Mate, by the time he finishes his career, Carlton will be a distant memory and he will always be considered a StK player, maybe even legend depending on what he achieves there.
You could be right, but I have a feeling that it will end in tears ...
But he'll be set for life.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Professer E on August 20, 2025, 08:00:41 pm
What position is Lucas going to play, I thought the opening was more suited to a specific mid like Ben?
Binns might be clearing out his locker on Friday I reckon.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 20, 2025, 08:02:23 pm
You could be right, but I have a feeling that it will end in tears ...
But he'll be set for life.
He will have all those premiership reunions to think about with his teammates , pity none of them will be Stkilda's and those teammates will all be ex teammates..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Baggers on August 20, 2025, 08:20:39 pm
Mate, by the time he finishes his career, Carlton will be a distant memory and he will always be considered a StK player, maybe even legend depending on what he achieves there.
You could be right, but I have a feeling that it will end in tears ...
Inclined to agree with David on this one... The path of loot over loyalty in strewn with regrets.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: pinot on August 20, 2025, 08:21:11 pm
For the love of everything that is good and holy I hope this is the last time I see three small forwards on the bench.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: pinot on August 20, 2025, 08:22:54 pm
What position is Lucas going to play, I thought the opening was more suited to a specific mid like Ben?
Binns might be clearing out his locker on Friday I reckon.
Lucas has been spending some time down back in the VFL, maybe its just normal rookie education or maybe they want to train him specifically in that small /half back rebound role which a lot of clubs entrust to lefties.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 20, 2025, 09:18:06 pm
For the love of everything that is good and holy I hope this is the last time I see three small forwards on the bench.
You can’t have too many small forwards … when they’re part of the midfield rotations and playing the high half forward role.
Apart from pretending that TDK is a key forward, that’s a well-balanced line up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: crashlander on August 20, 2025, 09:54:30 pm
Our line-up: B: 42 Adam Saad 23 Jacob Weitering 32 Matthew Carroll HB: 2 Lachlan Cowan 33 Lewis Young 26 Nick Haynes C: 18 Sam Walsh 9 Patrick Cripps 4 Oliver Hollands HF: 6 Zac Williams 10 Harry McKay 13 Blake Acres F: 45 Flynn Young 12 Tom De Koning 44 Francis Evans R: 40 Hudson O'Keeffe 29 George Hewett 43 Ashton Moir Int: 35 Billy Wilson 19 Corey Durdin 3 Jesse Motlop 21 Lucas Camporeale 38 Will White Em: 16 Ben Camporeale 27 Marc Pittonet 11 Mitch McGovern
Yes, we do have our injuries. :( I don't think we'll miss Fog as much as we'll miss Cooper Lord. Our forward structure ... I guess it is similar to last week's, but it looks unbalanced to me. As does our defence, but these are the guys who are still fit. I wouldn't have minded seeing Charleson getting game; he has been good for the back half of the season. Who to play negative? I don't think we have someone, unless we use George Hewett.
I am really p*ssed at the AFL for having this on a Thursday night, as I can't get to any Thursday night game. I've missed about a quarter of our game because they keep putting us on Thursday night. I've written to them, but they'll probably just ignore it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 20, 2025, 09:54:58 pm
What position is Lucas going to play, I thought the opening was more suited to a specific mid like Ben?
Binns might be clearing out his locker on Friday I reckon.
Lucas has been spending some time down back in the VFL, maybe its just normal rookie education or maybe they want to train him specifically in that small /half back rebound role which a lot of clubs entrust to lefties.
Lucas has played most of his recent footy as a small defender and he’s done pretty well. He’s possibly a little too fearless for his own good.
I don’t know what the future will hold for him but he’s had pretty good preparation. It’s bad luck Ben’s suspension (well deserved but a little to severe in my opinion) borked his chances of a debut.
I just hope Weiters isn’t too tough on young Lucas. He’s probably more concerned about earning Weiters’ approval than taking on his Essenscum opponents.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Adelaideblue on August 20, 2025, 10:01:57 pm
TDK has the height and athleticism to dominate under age opposition without having the skills needed to play as a KPP
Levi Mk.II
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: madbluboy on August 21, 2025, 07:45:08 am
I saw on fox footy a few weeks ago that TDK is ranked like 280 in the comp as a forward. Poor.
In the first 7 rounds fully fit as a sole full time ruck he was the 3rd ranked player in the league.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: LP on August 21, 2025, 08:08:13 am
He's a A-Grade Ruckmen who can rest forward, he's not a KPF.
The Aints do not need a KPF, when King is fit they have probably already got the best in the business at the moment, what they need is a backup for the best in the business.
The Aints big problem is Ross The Boss, because his game tactics waste good KPFs, I'm pegging if they pay up big he's on limited time.
Personally, without significant changes to the ruck rules, The Aints are paying way overs. For us it's a gamble to match the offer, I bet if Carlton do / did match any offer then magically the rules wouldn't change.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: madbluboy on August 21, 2025, 08:11:09 am
The ruck rules are changing. Greg Swann has put it top of the agenda.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: LP on August 21, 2025, 08:16:05 am
The ruck rules are changing. Greg Swann has put it top of the agenda.
Top of the agenda and making it happen are two different things, and assuming the rules change in the way we think is also another bit of speculation.
I doubt a rule change that puts the ruck style back to 2023/24 will happen, it will be opposed by too many influential clubs like Geelong, Richmond and Hawthorn. And it certainly won't be like Swann wants, the ACL chaos of a decade or two back!
The only rucks that would currently benefit to a wind back would be TDK, Jackson and Draper, pretty much everyone else would oppose it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 21, 2025, 11:26:54 am
With the unavailability of Harry O’Farrell, six of our seven 2025 AFL debutants will take the field tonight. Add in Haynes and Evans and that’s nine players in their first AFL season with us.
Our only recruits to miss out are Jagga Smith (who was destined to play in Round 1), Ben Camporeale (stiffed by suspension), Harry Charleson and Matt Duffy.
Yes, injuries have played a part, but that’s still an admirable effort by our list managers, particularly when more established players like Pitto, Gov, Raz, Cinc and Boydy miss out.
Now they have to perform!
A quick PS; nine changes from the team that played Essendon in Round 13; three omissions, one retirement and five injuries.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Milhanna13 on August 21, 2025, 12:14:25 pm
No Gov, no three rucks and TDK will get his name on the locker. I suspect that he'll look back on that with more pride than the next stage in his footy career.
Not sure I would have given TDK the opportunity to have his name on the locker, the club are very generous. Dylan Shiel playing his last game for the Bombers after being told DCM.
Geez we dodged a bullet there (Shiel)!!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 21, 2025, 02:12:27 pm
Not sure I would have given TDK the opportunity to have his name on the locker, the club are very generous. Dylan Shiel playing his last game for the Bombers after being told DCM.
Geez we dodged a bullet there (Shiel)!!
Yep we were a serve of Fish and Chips away from another recruiting disaster...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: tonyo on August 21, 2025, 02:25:41 pm
Word is Carroll out with illness, Gov in.......
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Professer E on August 21, 2025, 02:26:07 pm
Damn
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: kruddler on August 21, 2025, 03:03:39 pm
For the love of everything that is good and holy I hope this is the last time I see three small forwards on the bench.
You can’t have too many small forwards … when they’re part of the midfield rotations and playing the high half forward role.
Chicken and egg.
Are they part of the midfield rotation because we pick them as midfielders or Do they play in the midfield because we can't play 8 of them in the forward line at the same time?
I appreciate the ability of small forward types to be able to run through the midfield when given the chance....Eddie Betts nearly won us a game against Saints when we were tanking with Ratten after Pagan got sacked. He got 2 clearances and set up 2 goals in the space of a couple minutes when thrown into the middle in the last 5 minutes of a game to get us within a goal or 2. Then we promptly moved him out again.
It has its place.
But i'm not sure we have enough pure midfielders to do anything else. Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh and Lord would be our top 5 mids. Who is our 6th? (excluding Jagga who's been unavailable)
We have more small/medium forwards than we do mids!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Thryleon on August 21, 2025, 04:29:31 pm
If this is the case, I am convinced that we have been attempting to balance our younger players with experience and not just throw them to the wolves. This is the first generation of kids we have done this with that I can think of in recent memory and Im chuffed that we are finally at a place, where we arent just dropping kids into a team that is short on experience.
I am confident that this has been somewhat deliberate, (albeit reactively) as the season has worn on, as we seem to be trying to keep our players under 30 games to a minimum.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Thryleon on August 21, 2025, 04:39:07 pm
You can’t have too many small forwards … when they’re part of the midfield rotations and playing the high half forward role.
Chicken and egg.
Are they part of the midfield rotation because we pick them as midfielders or Do they play in the midfield because we can't play 8 of them in the forward line at the same time?
I appreciate the ability of small forward types to be able to run through the midfield when given the chance....Eddie Betts nearly won us a game against Saints when we were tanking with Ratten after Pagan got sacked. He got 2 clearances and set up 2 goals in the space of a couple minutes when thrown into the middle in the last 5 minutes of a game to get us within a goal or 2. Then we promptly moved him out again.
It has its place.
But i'm not sure we have enough pure midfielders to do anything else. Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh and Lord would be our top 5 mids. Who is our 6th? (excluding Jagga who's been unavailable)
We have more small/medium forwards than we do mids!
Going off the Senior list website, we list the following as mids:
From last year, we are missing Kennedy, J Carroll as mids.
IMHO, its not the number of mids we have that is the problem, its been the number of them that have missed significant footy this season and then that makes your argument of why they join the midfield rotation. In at least one case, they have putrid form playing forward, and are going on ball as a consequence (motlop).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 21, 2025, 05:02:06 pm
From last year, we are missing Kennedy, J Carroll as mids.
IMHO, its not the number of mids we have that is the problem, its been the number of them that have missed significant footy this season and then that makes your argument of why they join the midfield rotation. In at least one case, they have putrid form playing forward, and are going on ball as a consequence (motlop).
It was actually four mids out - Kennedy, J Carroll, Martin and Cuningham - and four mids in - Lord, Smith, and Camporeale X 2 - so we maintained the status quo.
As you say, the unavailability of our mids was critical this season but we have been running our small and medium forwards through the midfield since before Voss arrived. Even Silvagni has had his share of midfield minutes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: kruddler on August 21, 2025, 05:44:20 pm
Are they part of the midfield rotation because we pick them as midfielders or Do they play in the midfield because we can't play 8 of them in the forward line at the same time?
I appreciate the ability of small forward types to be able to run through the midfield when given the chance....Eddie Betts nearly won us a game against Saints when we were tanking with Ratten after Pagan got sacked. He got 2 clearances and set up 2 goals in the space of a couple minutes when thrown into the middle in the last 5 minutes of a game to get us within a goal or 2. Then we promptly moved him out again.
It has its place.
But i'm not sure we have enough pure midfielders to do anything else. Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh and Lord would be our top 5 mids. Who is our 6th? (excluding Jagga who's been unavailable)
We have more small/medium forwards than we do mids!
Going off the Senior list website, we list the following as mids:
From last year, we are missing Kennedy, J Carroll as mids.
IMHO, its not the number of mids we have that is the problem, its been the number of them that have missed significant footy this season and then that makes your argument of why they join the midfield rotation. In at least one case, they have putrid form playing forward, and are going on ball as a consequence (motlop).
Sorry, i should've been more specific. Mids, not wingers.....and AFL ready mids....not really 1st year players.
Doc is obviously retired. Acres and Cottrell (and Lucas) are wingers....and i'd add Binns to that. How many center bounces do they attend?
I don't want to get into a whole list management discussion in here. Just highlighting are small forwards play there due to lack of other options....and an abundance of them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Thryleon on August 21, 2025, 06:01:34 pm
From last year, we are missing Kennedy, J Carroll as mids.
IMHO, its not the number of mids we have that is the problem, its been the number of them that have missed significant footy this season and then that makes your argument of why they join the midfield rotation. In at least one case, they have putrid form playing forward, and are going on ball as a consequence (motlop).
Sorry, i should've been more specific. Mids, not wingers.....and AFL ready mids....not really 1st year players.
Doc is obviously retired. Acres and Cottrell (and Lucas) are wingers....and i'd add Binns to that. How many center bounces do they attend?
I don't want to get into a whole list management discussion in here. Just highlighting are small forwards play there due to lack of other options....and an abundance of them.
yes, but weve used mids on the wing more often than weve used wingers as mids, and our forward brigade are playing high half forward/wing more than attending centre bounce so that kyboshes one of your arguments.
@Djc jack martin wasn't a player for us anyway. Cunningham was varying degrees of the same and if anyone is mounting an argument for afl capable mids then weve effectively only lost one from last season based on games played (kennedy). Jack Carroll played mainly forward pocket/high half forward and has zero defensive side to his game. Weve discarded a lot of players lately but Kennedy aside none have fired a shot at afl level until martin at Geelong and even he's been a small sample size.
That also kyboshes the forwards playing midfield argument
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: kruddler on August 21, 2025, 06:15:43 pm
Sorry, i should've been more specific. Mids, not wingers.....and AFL ready mids....not really 1st year players.
Doc is obviously retired. Acres and Cottrell (and Lucas) are wingers....and i'd add Binns to that. How many center bounces do they attend?
I don't want to get into a whole list management discussion in here. Just highlighting are small forwards play there due to lack of other options....and an abundance of them.
yes, but weve used mids on the wing more often than weve used wingers as mids, and our forward brigade are playing high half forward/wing more than attending centre bounce so that kyboshes one of your arguments.
Have a look at the last month or so. Williams, Motlop, Evans, Moir are all in at centre bounces at various stages.....and probably a couple others too, but they're the ones that have actually done something.
You'll see them in there more than you'll see Acres (or Cottrell) in there as they're your specialist wingers
Those blokes all add a bit of a spark and is a good party trick (some more than others).....but are getting more and more time in there because of lack of other options - Some of that is player availability in terms of fitness, some of that is player availability in terms of list limitations, some of that is list demographic (kids not ready).
Either way, i think its forced upon us, rather than a master plan and is a result of poor list management and bad luck.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 21, 2025, 06:24:28 pm
@Djc jack martin wasn't a player for us anyway. Cunningham was varying degrees of the same and if anyone is mounting an argument for afl capable mids then weve effectively only lost one from last season based on games played (kennedy). Jack Carroll played mainly forward pocket/high half forward and has zero defensive side to his game. Weve discarded a lot of players lately but Kennedy aside none have fired a shot at afl level until martin at Geelong and even he's been a small sample size.
That also kyboshes the forwards playing midfield argument
Yes, they were listed as midfielders even though they rarely got on the park.
In terms of ability and durability, it's Kennedy out (Martin has been played mostly as a defender by Geelong), Lord in, and three others with potential.
Zac Williams stints in the midfield have been very effective this season, more so than when he was tried as a full time mid. He probably spends more time as a forward than Kennedy does at the Bulldogs, but I would argue that he has been more important to us than Kennedy has for the Doggies.
Moir is another forward who will probably be used more as a midfielder if his cameos to date are any indication.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 21, 2025, 06:43:28 pm
@Djc jack martin wasn't a player for us anyway. Cunningham was varying degrees of the same and if anyone is mounting an argument for afl capable mids then weve effectively only lost one from last season based on games played (kennedy). Jack Carroll played mainly forward pocket/high half forward and has zero defensive side to his game. Weve discarded a lot of players lately but Kennedy aside none have fired a shot at afl level until martin at Geelong and even he's been a small sample size.
That also kyboshes the forwards playing midfield argument
Yes, they were listed as midfielders even though they rarely got on the park.
In terms of ability and durability, it's Kennedy out (Martin has been played mostly as a defender by Geelong), Lord in, and three others with potential.
Zac Williams stints in the midfield have been very effective this season, more so than when he was tried as a full time mid. He probably spends more time as a forward than Kennedy does at the Bulldogs, but I would argue that he has been more important to us than Kennedy has for the Doggies.
Moir is another forward who will probably be used more as a midfielder if his cameos to date are any indication.
Kennedy( 4 more games) has kicked the same amount of goals as Williams this season, has more Goal Assists and double the disposals and Id suggest at half the money...I reckon the Bulldogs would be very happy with their cheap freebie pickup.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: Professer E on August 21, 2025, 06:53:26 pm
That said I think this has been Williams' best year for us, he has been handy in a few games and his stints in the midfield have been effective unlike previous years. He has been damaging in patches in that high half forward role. Motlop is another who has played some midfield minutes. But yea EB, Id be surprised if that first compo pick doesn't end up on a gun mid or half back like Lindsay. The club seems to be pushing the small forwards higher up the ground in the last couple of weeks, Young especially.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: laj on August 21, 2025, 07:07:28 pm
We've turned up to play twice in the last 20 years in the last game. We've usually checked out.
One was last year when we had 20 blokes out and were touched out in the last 12 seconds. Other was 2013, when we won!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 21, 2025, 07:13:27 pm
Laverde and Durham out for Essendon, we should win by 15 goals. Usually these games are a must watch but it's hard to get interested given their injuries and nothing to play for apart from pride..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 21, 2025, 07:20:24 pm
Kennedy( 4 more games) has kicked the same amount of goals as Williams this season, has more Goal Assists and double the disposals and Id suggest at half the money...I reckon the Bulldogs would be very happy with their cheap freebie pickup.
The difference is that Kennedy is still a plodder and Williams is very good at breaking the lines ... and I’m more than happy that we gave up Kennedy for O'Farrell. Nice work Mr Austin!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: kruddler on August 21, 2025, 07:38:07 pm
@Djc jack martin wasn't a player for us anyway. Cunningham was varying degrees of the same and if anyone is mounting an argument for afl capable mids then weve effectively only lost one from last season based on games played (kennedy). Jack Carroll played mainly forward pocket/high half forward and has zero defensive side to his game. Weve discarded a lot of players lately but Kennedy aside none have fired a shot at afl level until martin at Geelong and even he's been a small sample size.
That also kyboshes the forwards playing midfield argument
Yes, they were listed as midfielders even though they rarely got on the park.
In terms of ability and durability, it's Kennedy out (Martin has been played mostly as a defender by Geelong), Lord in, and three others with potential.
Zac Williams stints in the midfield have been very effective this season, more so than when he was tried as a full time mid. He probably spends more time as a forward than Kennedy does at the Bulldogs, but I would argue that he has been more important to us than Kennedy has for the Doggies.
Moir is another forward who will probably be used more as a midfielder if his cameos to date are any indication.
Twice i've seen 'list changes - Lord: in'.
He was on our list already. Its not an in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: DJC on August 21, 2025, 10:24:47 pm
Yes, they were listed as midfielders even though they rarely got on the park.
In terms of ability and durability, it's Kennedy out (Martin has been played mostly as a defender by Geelong), Lord in, and three others with potential.
Zac Williams stints in the midfield have been very effective this season, more so than when he was tried as a full time mid. He probably spends more time as a forward than Kennedy does at the Bulldogs, but I would argue that he has been more important to us than Kennedy has for the Doggies.
Moir is another forward who will probably be used more as a midfielder if his cameos to date are any indication.
Twice i've seen 'list changes - Lord: in'.
He was on our list already. Its not an in.
Lord was added to our list in 2024, Kennedy left in 2024.
Lord wasn’t on our list in 2023. He is an in!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Post by: kruddler on August 21, 2025, 10:52:49 pm