Lily Of Laguna => Ladies Lounge => Topic started by: crashlander on September 04, 2025, 10:04:00 pm
Title: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on September 04, 2025, 10:04:00 pm
We play on Saturday at 15:05 at home. Our lineup: B: 3 Darcy Vescio 36 Ciara Fitzgerald HB: 49 Madeline Hendrie 7 Poppy Scholz 21 Harriet Cordner C: 11 Yasmin Duursma 25 Keeley Sherar 17 Dayna Finn HF: 19 Erone Fitzpatrick 55 Sophie McKay 18 Madeleine Guerin F: 42 Tara Bohanna 16 Breann Harrington R: 37 Maddison Torpey 10 Mimi Hill 5 Abbie McKay Int: 1 Amelia Velardo 4 Keeley Skepper 14 Siofra O'Connell 22 Mia Austin 20 Lily Goss EM: 13 Aisling Reidy 33 Lou-Lou Field 23 Lila Keck
Jess Good is a huge out. She's not just our # ruck these days, but her game has improved hugely. Maddi Torpey is debuting in the ruck.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 05, 2025, 01:36:44 am
We'll miss Jess Good, her presence around the ground has been outstanding. Of course, Brea Harrington can do much the same and it will be interesting to see how young Maddison Torpey goes. She is a good size for an AFLW ruck.
Good to see Erone Fitzpatrick named in the side. Her injury last week must have just been a stinger.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: LP on September 05, 2025, 11:52:31 am
We'll miss Jess Good, her presence around the ground has been outstanding. Of course, Brea Harrington can do much the same and it will be interesting to see how young Maddison Torpey goes. She is a good size for an AFLW ruck.
Good to see Erone Fitzpatrick named in the side. Her injury last week must have just been a stinger.
Yes, it's a big change this week, Good has really been doing well negating the more athletic type rucks, and Breann has been very good in F50 as a reliable marking target from the turnovers we create. It would be sort of robbing Peter to pay Paul to take Breann out of F50, so I suspect we'll start the new girl and let our strong midfield do it's job sharking the ruck work.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 05, 2025, 12:09:14 pm
Yes, it's a big change this week, Good has really been doing well negating the more athletic type rucks, and Breann has been very good in F50 as a reliable marking target from the turnovers we create. It would be sort of robbing Peter to pay Paul to take Breann out of F50, so I suspect we'll start the new girl and let our strong midfield do it's job sharking the ruck work.
Bucky has shown that he's not afraid to throw the team around with Bree having stints on the ball, Tara Bohanna taking ruck contests, and new defender, Darcy Vescio, bobbing up in the forward line.
Edmonds will have a significant height advantage so it will be a first up challenge for Maddison.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: LP on September 05, 2025, 12:18:42 pm
Bucky has shown that he's not afraid to throw the team around ..............
Yes, I think he is a good coach.
He is not just formulaic and he is developing game tactics that suit the list, it makes a huge difference when you use players to the best of their ability.
Good coaches develop genuine tactics that suit a list, sh1t coaches copy a formula with load of fake ingredients.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 05, 2025, 01:14:47 pm
You want to see how far the AFLW comp has come in its 8 years or so. Darcy Vescio won the league goal kicking award in its first season, 2017 and again in 2021. (Probably should name it after Vescio as a result!) Now Darcy is a run of the mill player in an average side.
The talent growth has been amazing, and will get better.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 05, 2025, 02:42:57 pm
You want to see how far the AFLW comp has come in its 8 years or so. Darcy Vescio won the league goal kicking award in its first season, 2017 and again in 2021. (Probably should name it after Vescio as a result!) Now Darcy is a run of the mill player in an average side.
The talent growth has been amazing, and will get better.
I wouldn’t say that Darcy is a run of the mill player. She’s not as athletic as she was and the youngsters are improving their skills each season. What Darcy has, and is standing her in good stead in her backline role, is footy nous in spades. While the improvement in skills is continuing to build, most AFLW players are formulaic rather than instinctive. That will change as the game grows but, for the moment, it gives Darcy an edge.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 05, 2025, 03:44:46 pm
You want to see how far the AFLW comp has come in its 8 years or so. Darcy Vescio won the league goal kicking award in its first season, 2017 and again in 2021. (Probably should name it after Vescio as a result!) Now Darcy is a run of the mill player in an average side.
The talent growth has been amazing, and will get better.
I wouldn’t say that Darcy is a run of the mill player. She’s not as athletic as she was and the youngsters are improving their skills each season. What Darcy has, and is standing her in good stead in her backline role, is footy nous in spades. While the improvement in skills is continuing to build, most AFLW players are formulaic rather than instinctive. That will change as the game grows but, for the moment, it gives Darcy an edge.
Have you seen Darcy lately? There isn't much to get excited about. Fumbles, can't stay on their feet. Brain is quick, absolutely. Body less so. Skills no longer stand out. Size wise, Darcy is now one of the smallest out there. Age catches up with everyone, injuries too, but Darcy 2025 is not one of the first picked in our team.
Hill, Abby, Keeley x2, Guerin, Bree are our best. Then you throw in Good, Bohanna, Cordner, Finn, Ronny who are all offering more. Thats half a side before we get to Darcy. Darcy is average, in an average side. That doesn't mean they are no good and need to be sacked. But AA calibre, no longer.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on September 05, 2025, 04:34:34 pm
Harsh, Krudds, but probably accurate. Darcy isn't getting any younger, no matter how strong she may be between the ears. She is finding it harder to do the things she used to excel in. And she was never a tall forward, just a good one. I'm glad that she seems to found some form and a decent place in defence, as she has been pretty average for the last couple of years. The Jack Silvagni of the AFLW side? Maybe. But I am happy to see her making a decent contribution after a couple of years of mediocrity.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 05, 2025, 04:44:43 pm
Harsh, Krudds, but probably accurate. Darcy isn't getting any younger, no matter how strong she may be between the ears. She is finding it harder to do the things she used to excel in. And she was never a tall forward, just a good one. I'm glad that she seems to found some form and a decent place in defence, as she has been pretty average for the last couple of years. The Jack Silvagni of the AFLW side? Maybe. But I am happy to see her making a decent contribution after a couple of years of mediocrity.
For the record, i've got no issue with Darcy. Early on, if it wasn't for Vescio playing, it would've been close to impossible to sit through a match and see much to get excited about. Vescio is responsible (in part) for bringing a whole new audience to the carlton football club. Great character, personality and footballer. Its a marathon, Vescio started out in front, now the rest of the pack has caught up and are overtaking. No shame in that. Just proof of how much better everyone else has become.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 05, 2025, 06:15:39 pm
I wouldn’t say that Darcy is a run of the mill player. She’s not as athletic as she was and the youngsters are improving their skills each season. What Darcy has, and is standing her in good stead in her backline role, is footy nous in spades. While the improvement in skills is continuing to build, most AFLW players are formulaic rather than instinctive. That will change as the game grows but, for the moment, it gives Darcy an edge.
Have you seen Darcy lately? There isn't much to get excited about. Fumbles, can't stay on their feet. Brain is quick, absolutely. Body less so. Skills no longer stand out. Size wise, Darcy is now one of the smallest out there. Age catches up with everyone, injuries too, but Darcy 2025 is not one of the first picked in our team.
Hill, Abby, Keeley x2, Guerin, Bree are our best. Then you throw in Good, Bohanna, Cordner, Finn, Ronny who are all offering more. Thats half a side before we get to Darcy. Darcy is average, in an average side. That doesn't mean they are no good and need to be sacked. But AA calibre, no longer.
Actually, yes, I have watched Darcy quite closely and her footy nous more than makes up for her drop in athleticism. Pay attention to her positioning, providing help defence, setting blocks, getting a hand in to cause a miskick, and making good use of her possessions.
Darcy hasn't been close to AA standard since 2023 but she always attracts a strong opponent and her work helps her now more prominent teammates to shine.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 05, 2025, 06:20:50 pm
Have you seen Darcy lately? There isn't much to get excited about. Fumbles, can't stay on their feet. Brain is quick, absolutely. Body less so. Skills no longer stand out. Size wise, Darcy is now one of the smallest out there. Age catches up with everyone, injuries too, but Darcy 2025 is not one of the first picked in our team.
Hill, Abby, Keeley x2, Guerin, Bree are our best. Then you throw in Good, Bohanna, Cordner, Finn, Ronny who are all offering more. Thats half a side before we get to Darcy. Darcy is average, in an average side. That doesn't mean they are no good and need to be sacked. But AA calibre, no longer.
Actually, yes, I have watched Darcy quite closely and her footy nous more than makes up for her drop in athleticism. Pay attention to her positioning, providing help defence, setting blocks, getting a hand in to cause a miskick, and making good use of her possessions.
Darcy hasn't been close to AA standard since 2023 but she always attracts a strong opponent and her work helps her now more prominent teammates to shine.
Again, not saying Darcy has forgotten how to play or that we need to put them in the delist pile, just that others have caught up. Plenty of players block....which is new and more to the point. Plenty of players use their body.....which is new and more to the point. Darcy was always pretty clean by hands with the ball. Now others are much cleaner.
I'm picking Darcy in my side each and every week. I'm not betting on Darcy to be in the top 5 in the B+F though.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on September 06, 2025, 05:04:41 pm
Carlton: 7 - 7 - 49 Western Bulldogs: 4 - 9 - 33 Another strong win by the girls.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: PaulP on September 06, 2025, 05:17:48 pm
Bucky has shown that he's not afraid to throw the team around ..............
Yes, I think he is a good coach.
He is not just formulaic and he is developing game tactics that suit the list, it makes a huge difference when you use players to the best of their ability.
Good coaches develop genuine tactics that suit a list, sh1t coaches copy a formula with load of fake ingredients.
Couldn't agree more.
Combined with a young group building cohesion through challenge, and here you are! They're all pulling in the same direction by using their individual strengths. Well done👏🏼
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 06, 2025, 07:51:13 pm
Another good win by the girls, particularly after the Bulldogs threw out a pretty strong challenge.
Sophie McKay has played four games and her shoulders have got more tape on them the Crippa normally wears. What's going on there?
She played well though with two nice goals and a ripper mark.
Edmonds dominated the hitouts and they controlled the centre bounces but we smashed them in stoppage clearances. Lots of our players chipped in too.
Good signs :)
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: Blue Moon on September 06, 2025, 08:24:40 pm
Actually went to the game. Darcy Vescio is a star. She reminds me of Jezza when he went to the half back flank. She is one player who can really kick the ball. Harrington is another star who actually understands the game. Almost kicked one of the best goals you are ever likely to see with a chip and charge. Sophie McKay's mark was a good mark in any competition. They are still a work in progress but they are hard at it and the other teams seem to get hurt in the tackles. Looking at the ladder and the draw we really should be playing finals this year.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: Professer E on September 06, 2025, 09:26:37 pm
Hope Mimi's knee isn't too bad
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on September 06, 2025, 09:48:50 pm
Indeed.. Hoping that her ability to jog off is a good sign.
Duursma on the other hand. I expect has a #clavicle.
Speedy recovery
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 07, 2025, 09:49:26 am
I don't want to labour the point too much, but in terms of points, Vescio was the 5th lowest scorer from Carlton. Below Darcy was...
Key forward - Bohanna Key back - Scholz 2nd gamer irishwoman who played 21% game time - O'Connell A player who got injured - Duursma
That's not the output of an elite player. Thats the output of a player who once was elite and is now being swallowed up by the improving AFLW playing group.
Darcy did some good things, but the most impact they had all day happened to be transferred to Mimi Hills knee. Not sure why Darcy felt the need to hip and shoulder Hill, but that could be very costly. Hope Hill is ok.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 07, 2025, 12:00:18 pm
I don't want to labour the point too much, but in terms of points, Vescio was the 5th lowest scorer from Carlton. Below Darcy was...
Key forward - Bohanna Key back - Scholz 2nd gamer irishwoman who played 21% game time - O'Connell A player who got injured - Duursma
That's not the output of an elite player. Thats the output of a player who once was elite and is now being swallowed up by the improving AFLW playing group.
Darcy did some good things, but the most impact they had all day happened to be transferred to Mimi Hills knee. Not sure why Darcy felt the need to hip and shoulder Hill, but that could be very costly. Hope Hill is ok.
And that’s where watching the game gives a much better appreciation of a player’s contribution than statistics and “points”.
You can’t measure energy and impact without the ball but Darcy’s work enables others to shine.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 07, 2025, 02:41:37 pm
I don't want to labour the point too much, but in terms of points, Vescio was the 5th lowest scorer from Carlton. Below Darcy was...
Key forward - Bohanna Key back - Scholz 2nd gamer irishwoman who played 21% game time - O'Connell A player who got injured - Duursma
That's not the output of an elite player. Thats the output of a player who once was elite and is now being swallowed up by the improving AFLW playing group.
Darcy did some good things, but the most impact they had all day happened to be transferred to Mimi Hills knee. Not sure why Darcy felt the need to hip and shoulder Hill, but that could be very costly. Hope Hill is ok.
And that’s where watching the game gives a much better appreciation of a player’s contribution than statistics and “points”.
You can’t measure energy and impact without the ball but Darcy’s work enables others to shine.
I watched the game. I watched a 4th gamer in Sophie McKay do things that Darcy Vescio used to do. I watched irish girls do things Darcy Vescio used to do. If you saw it differently, so be it. Vescio was not in the top half players on the ground.....and there is nothing wrong with that.
Once again, i'm just pointing out how far everyone else has come, not criticising Vescio.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 07, 2025, 04:52:02 pm
I watched the game. I watched a 4th gamer in Sophie McKay do things that Darcy Vescio used to do. I watched irish girls do things Darcy Vescio used to do. If you saw it differently, so be it. Vescio was not in the top half players on the ground.....and there is nothing wrong with that.
Once again, i'm just pointing out how far everyone else has come, not criticising Vescio.
Sophie's mark, which was reminiscent of Darcy's leaps (and Darcy almost took mark of the year against Hawthorn), was set up by Darcy getting to the ball first, executing a clean pick up on the run and in traffic, and nailing the handpass to the best option in Cordner. Without Darcy's skill and quick decision-making, Sophie doesn't get to leap for that mark. Cordner gets the goal assist but it was Darcy's work that created the opportunity.
And who had the most metres gained for us? Fitzpatrick 360, Finn 345 and Vescio with 331. Next best was Harrington with 319. Darcy's rebound from defence is a critical factor in our success even if her highlights reel isn't as flashy as it was.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 07, 2025, 06:00:59 pm
I watched the game. I watched a 4th gamer in Sophie McKay do things that Darcy Vescio used to do. I watched irish girls do things Darcy Vescio used to do. If you saw it differently, so be it. Vescio was not in the top half players on the ground.....and there is nothing wrong with that.
Once again, i'm just pointing out how far everyone else has come, not criticising Vescio.
Sophie's mark, which was reminiscent of Darcy's leaps (and Darcy almost took mark of the year against Hawthorn), was set up by Darcy getting to the ball first, executing a clean pick up on the run and in traffic, and nailing the handpass to the best option in Cordner. Without Darcy's skill and quick decision-making, Sophie doesn't get to leap for that mark. Cordner gets the goal assist but it was Darcy's work that created the opportunity.
And who had the most metres gained for us? Fitzpatrick 360, Finn 345 and Vescio with 331. Next best was Harrington with 319. Darcy's rebound from defence is a critical factor in our success even if her highlights reel isn't as flashy as it was.
re bold....what you are saying is this.... Superman could only save someone from plummetting to their death if they jumped off the top of the building first. The person jumping made superman what they are today.
Anyone could've created that. Not anyone could've taken the mark.
Darcy ALMOST took a mark.....but didn't. Darcy gave away a free kick for attempting one this week too and got nowhere near it.
I don't want to turn this into a Darcy bashing thread, because its not about that. Darcy is playing (almost) at the same level they always have. However, everyone around Darcy has improved dramatically to the point where Daisy is a cameo player. You need good users of the ball behind the footy. Sure....but.... Darcy isn't doing the grunt work in the middle. Darcy isn't hitting the scoreboard. Darcy isn't taking big intercept marks in defence.
We have others doing that role and doing it very well. Its why we are 3-1 because we have a solid team who are working for eachother and all have a great level of skill and courage not seen in the team before. I think Darcy is just keeping the HB seat warm until Gab Pound returns, then we might see Darcy further up the field. I wouldn't mind her taking Duursmas spot who i think is not quite up to the rest of the teams standard at present.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 07, 2025, 11:57:48 pm
Sophie's mark, which was reminiscent of Darcy's leaps (and Darcy almost took mark of the year against Hawthorn), was set up by Darcy getting to the ball first, executing a clean pick up on the run and in traffic, and nailing the handpass to the best option in Cordner. Without Darcy's skill and quick decision-making, Sophie doesn't get to leap for that mark. Cordner gets the goal assist but it was Darcy's work that created the opportunity.
And who had the most metres gained for us? Fitzpatrick 360, Finn 345 and Vescio with 331. Next best was Harrington with 319. Darcy's rebound from defence is a critical factor in our success even if her highlights reel isn't as flashy as it was.
re bold....what you are saying is this.... Superman could only save someone from plummetting to their death if they jumped off the top of the building first. The person jumping made superman what they are today.
Anyone could've created that. Not anyone could've taken the mark.
Darcy ALMOST took a mark.....but didn't. Darcy gave away a free kick for attempting one this week too and got nowhere near it.
I don't want to turn this into a Darcy bashing thread, because its not about that. Darcy is playing (almost) at the same level they always have. However, everyone around Darcy has improved dramatically to the point where Daisy is a cameo player. You need good users of the ball behind the footy. Sure....but.... Darcy isn't doing the grunt work in the middle. Darcy isn't hitting the scoreboard. Darcy isn't taking big intercept marks in defence.
We have others doing that role and doing it very well. Its why we are 3-1 because we have a solid team who are working for eachother and all have a great level of skill and courage not seen in the team before. I think Darcy is just keeping the HB seat warm until Gab Pound returns, then we might see Darcy further up the field. I wouldn't mind her taking Duursmas spot who i think is not quite up to the rest of the teams standard at present.
Well, that’s your opinion, and you’re welcome to it.
Of course, you don’t have a monopoly on football wisdom and, in my humble opinion, you’re completely wrong … again!
But that’s what our site is all about.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: LP on September 08, 2025, 10:14:19 am
I see the Darcy Vescio critics as no different to Harry McKay naysayers.
They carried on about dropping marks, missing targets, missing shots and tackles slipping, a lack of confidence causing indecision, and completely ignored the fact they are working hard and getting were the footy is.
The problem isn't the player in the above category, it's the "nulls" surrounding them, players who have no failures because they have few or no attempts.
The Irish lass Finn came in and was probably BoG, she never stopped working and it shows. As a newbie she'll have days were she keeps working and it all turns to shizen, but the important part is to keep working. It's interesting post game Finn had an interview in which she stated that she had offered that very advice to Sophie McKay who was struggling to have an impact. Vescio sets that example, as does Bohanna.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 08, 2025, 12:59:16 pm
re bold....what you are saying is this.... Superman could only save someone from plummetting to their death if they jumped off the top of the building first. The person jumping made superman what they are today.
Anyone could've created that. Not anyone could've taken the mark.
Darcy ALMOST took a mark.....but didn't. Darcy gave away a free kick for attempting one this week too and got nowhere near it.
I don't want to turn this into a Darcy bashing thread, because its not about that. Darcy is playing (almost) at the same level they always have. However, everyone around Darcy has improved dramatically to the point where Daisy is a cameo player. You need good users of the ball behind the footy. Sure....but.... Darcy isn't doing the grunt work in the middle. Darcy isn't hitting the scoreboard. Darcy isn't taking big intercept marks in defence.
We have others doing that role and doing it very well. Its why we are 3-1 because we have a solid team who are working for eachother and all have a great level of skill and courage not seen in the team before. I think Darcy is just keeping the HB seat warm until Gab Pound returns, then we might see Darcy further up the field. I wouldn't mind her taking Duursmas spot who i think is not quite up to the rest of the teams standard at present.
Well, that’s your opinion, and you’re welcome to it.
Of course, you don’t have a monopoly on football wisdom and, in my humble opinion, you’re completely wrong … again!
But that’s what our site is all about.
I've got no issue with you having a different point of view.
Where do you think Vescio will place in the B+F this year?
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 08, 2025, 01:49:30 pm
I've got no issue with you having a different point of view.
Where do you think Vescio will place in the B+F this year?
Depends on what positions they play and what voting system is used. If it's similar to the men, probably in the top ten or twelve.
Doesn't that mean you agree with me? Meaning Darcy is an average player? Literally half the team finishing above Darcy.
That is not 'average' in a derogative term, but average as in middle of the pack.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: LP on September 08, 2025, 04:04:00 pm
B&F rarely come from D50 unless they are exceptional, and when the team is winning it's even less likely as the balance of play should be at the other end.
So in general it's not really a valid commentary on player effectiveness, influence or capability. Even exceptional won't be a better than average chance, a great real world example is Harry Taylor. Most would have him as one of Geelong's most important players, probably the most consistent, 2 x AA, 1 x JS Medalist, flags a plenty. Yet no B&F, not even close, because during his career they won a lot, not least in part due to having Harry Taylor in D50!
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 08, 2025, 04:04:28 pm
B&F rarely come from D50 unless they are exceptional, and when the team is winning it's even less likely as the balance of play should be at the other end.
....and the excuses begin
FYI 2024 B+F...
1. Patrick Cripps (204 votes) 2. Nic Newman (148 votes) 3. Sam Walsh (147 votes) 4. Jacob Weitering (144 votes)
Yep, hard on defenders.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: LP on September 08, 2025, 04:10:58 pm
1. Patrick Cripps (204 votes) 2. Nic Newman (148 votes) 3. Sam Walsh (147 votes) 4. Jacob Weitering (144 votes)
Yep, hard on defenders.
Yes you are right, a defender did not win, do you have any more examples to support my case?
So Vescio will finish 2nd then?
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 08, 2025, 06:29:58 pm
Vescio won it in 2021.
Vescio has not placed in the top 5 since. I say top 5, because they don't give you full top 10 results for some reason. They gave a top 6 one year, but she wasn't in that either.
In 2022 (x2), 2023, 2024 there have been the following players place in the top 5 (or 6).... Prespakis Kez Harrington Hill Bree Moody/Harrington Paige Trudgeon Gab Pound Abbie McKay Laloifi McEvoy Sherar Good Guerin
There has also been a MVP awarded to... Cordner A. McKay Kez Laloifi
Depends on what positions they play and what voting system is used. If it's similar to the men, probably in the top ten or twelve.
Doesn't that mean you agree with me? Meaning Darcy is an average player? Literally half the team finishing above Darcy.
That is not 'average' in a derogative term, but average as in middle of the pack.
Your maths is a little shaky there Kruddler. We have already used 25 players in our first four games and will probably use at least 30 by the end of the season. If Darcy finishes in the top ten or twelve, around two thirds of the team will have finished beneath her.
The fact of the matter is that Darcy Vescio is still a very good footballer, her skills are at least equal to or better than her teammates, her footy nous, leadership and effort are way beyond most of her teammates, and her presence on the field is a critical factor.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on September 08, 2025, 10:37:03 pm
Congratulations to Sophie McKay for an excellent performance and RS nod 🙌
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: DJC on September 09, 2025, 12:15:03 am
Such an important player ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awZFxEXYvR4
I doubt if there's anyone else in our squad who is so comfortable and competent kicking on their right and left.
Title: Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Post by: kruddler on September 09, 2025, 09:32:23 am
Last time i'll try this... Nobody is doubting Vescio, talent, brain, skill or other. I am simply saying those around her have increased dramatically from the time Vescio started. So much so that now there are equals (and better) than Vescio in the comp and in the side.
For those who like numbers.... Vescio (and a handful of others) were a 4 out of 5 when the comp started. Some in the same team may have rated a 1-2 out of 5.
Now we have plenty of 4/5's (include Darcy) in the side but i doubt there is any 1 out of 5's.....MAYBE a 2/5....mostly 3's and 4's. This is shown in recent B+F's, AA's and other awards.
Doesn't mean Darcy has got any worse or is no good or any other spin you want to put on it. Just everyone else has improved.
Darcy is no longer an elite player, what is elite has changed.